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June 07, 2015, 07:40:13 PM
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There is A Light That Never Goes out

Feels Like Heaven

This Charming Man

Why Don't You Find Out For Yourself

What Difference Does It Make?

That's How People Grow Up

I know it's over

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June 07, 2015, 07:40:31 PM
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Game over, Frap.doc.


FYI, Nick Szabo retweeted (and added to his favorites):
https://twitter.com/oleganza/status/605117508971053057
"@oleganza: If Bitcoin was ever competing with Paypal or Visa, it would not even start. It competes with gold and central banks."


Thus Saith The LORD.  Amen!


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June 07, 2015, 07:43:15 PM
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who does this sound like?:

We are headed into an electronic currency regardless of what people say. Bitcoin will not survive, but it is useful to get people accustomed to a cashless society. The difference will be that the government version will be no ”anonymity”  and what it being touted as a benefit is the elimination of crime – drug dealers will be eradicated (plus the government will get 100% of all its taxes).

http://www.silverdoctors.com/martin-armstrong-bitcoin-electronic-money-the-precious-metals/

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June 07, 2015, 07:43:35 PM
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if you believe in the concept of forum plants, then TPTB_need_war fits the bill to a tee.

i don't know about Shelby Moore but i still think his acct could be mulitply owned and used to troll me down.  the sleep charts i put up yesterday still hold.

The sleep chart is somewhat interesting but you ignore the possibility that his sleep schedule shifts over time, something not uncommon among people who aren't tied to the clock by a 9-5 job or the like, especially those with insomnia.

To show that the person/people operating the account aren't sleeping you would have to analyze 24 hour windows and see how many of those don't have a sleep break, not just look at averages over several months.

TPTB, you mentioned arguing with me along with rpeitila in your comments about BTC price calls but I doubt that is correct. I rarely make those sort of predictions, and I don't remember doing so, although it is possible I suppose.

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June 07, 2015, 07:45:49 PM
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who also says gold won't save us?:

This is all about the Sovereign Debt Crisis, the collapse in socialism, and the driving deflationary trend as government clamps down on everything that moves. The precious metals are NOT going to be a hedge against the dollar, hyperinflation, or any of the other nonsense the gold promoters have spun to sell whatever they can like snake oil salesmen. The role of the metals will be as an alternative currency to ELECTRONIC when they terminate “printing” paper money. Wake up and stop listening to propaganda. Open your eyes and look at the real world. It is closing in a hell of a lot faster than people suspect.


http://www.silverdoctors.com/martin-armstrong-bitcoin-electronic-money-the-precious-metals/
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June 07, 2015, 07:52:13 PM
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Armstrong on Bitcoin:

http://forums.silverstackers.com/topic-47472-martin-armstrong-on-bitcoin.html

On Monday, Congress held its first congressional hearing on virtual currencies focusing on bitcoin. As Congress discussed bitcoin, the price of one bitcoin soared to more than $750 apiece. Overlooked was the concern focused on anonymity and lack of regulation.
Personally, it is hard to imagine a world where they will allow bitcoin to survive when they are doing everything in their power to hunt down money. Canada is already looking at taxing it and the concerns expressed by Congress clearly place this within the legal definition of what they call money laundering. What once was real washing of illegal money for legal use like the mob buying old 1930s roadside motels and pretending they were fully booked every night to get illegal cash into the system, is now applied to even storing gold or cash in a safe deposit box. Having an account outside the USA is money laundering hiding untaxed money from the government. So bitcoin can fit into that category and what federal judge would rule against the government? NONE!
The downside of such schemes the government interprets as money laundering is they can wipe you out besides 25 year jail terms. There was the old tax-straddle of the '70s where you sold December gold in a rising market and bought Feb gold. You could then move money from one year to the next to avoid taxes. When the IRS figured out the play, that gave birth to mark-to-market accounting and then they retroactively applied penalties, taxes, and interest. Brokers got sued over that and these trades, which were in the courts for years.


The IRS can claim you made a profit now just like stocks on a bitcoin. They can demand retroactive taxes and penalties. When you dance with the Devil, keep in mind he can say anything and do anything. If 25% of the population used bitcoin, you can imagine the loss in taxes and the chase would be off like a good old fashion English fox hunt.
There is no alternative to the dollar. They can change the rules at anytime and hiding money to them is now money laundering so they can take that position and confiscate the whole thing. We have to reform the system. These people will never go quietly into the night.


Do not get all excited that bitcoin will replace the dollar. Sorry, they are exploring the idea and allowing it to get press for one single reason – they intend to go to an electronic "virtual" currency so they get 100% of all taxes. In 1934, they printed $10,000 notes when a Cadillac was $600. Today, $100 is the biggest bill. The next phase is no bills. The euro tried to displace the dollar issuing €500 denomination notes. In Britain, they have made them illegal – it is all about taxes. The virtual dollar is coming. I would say after 2015.75 when the Fed has zero power and they will go electronic. So for now, bitcoin serves a purpose to get people use to the idea of a cashless society.
If they cannot tax it...they WILL NOT use it!
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June 07, 2015, 08:04:56 PM
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could it be that we are actually talking to Martin Armstrong himself?  maybe that would explain the blind allegiance.
here is an interesting compilation of his prison writings.  and this was the very first one i pulled up!  whats the chances of them both being blind in one eye?  from an eye doctor:

https://www.scribd.com/kzuur58:

Have you ever heard the saying, "in lak'ech ala k'in"?

given that you willingly interjected yourself into the conversation to provoke me, then fully doxxed me, then lied about not having a multi-6-figure ongoing claim against HF, do you really think you have the moral high ground to wax philosophical?

Let's see. You talked him into ordering mining hardware? Then you profited 3000 BTC on 10% cut. Hardware was never delivered. Now he wants restitution.

Oh yeah you can't comment about the case. Sorry life is so unfair, right? (except when it happens to you).


(Vokain has told me nothing about the case that isn't publicly displayed  in this thread)

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June 07, 2015, 08:09:44 PM
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TPTB, you mentioned arguing with me along with rpeitila in your comments about BTC price calls but I doubt that is correct. I rarely make those sort of predictions, and I don't remember doing so, although it is possible I suppose.

I had already corrected the word "fight" to "disagree" (as well added "and others") because on further reflection my interaction with you on price is vague in my memory. You were commenting around the same posts where I was disagreeing on price and you were defending Monero, but I think you did not get specific about price direction.

I don't wish to disparage my friend rpietila. My hope is his experienced speculator acumen isn't clouded again by heapings of idolization (it happens to all of us I suppose)

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June 07, 2015, 08:17:59 PM
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One World Currency and NWO:

http://www.scribd.com/doc/15095650/One-World-Currency-5-09

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June 07, 2015, 08:20:07 PM
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June 07, 2015, 08:20:40 PM
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go back and look at TPTB's posts since registering.  they are filled with Armstrong references.  does anyone see a problem with that?

i do; it's called lack of diversification.  who worships just one guy all the time?  no astute investor.  that alone is cause for suspicion.
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It would only hurt his own position if not flexible.

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June 07, 2015, 08:32:16 PM
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i know everyone has better things to do but if you have time, you should read those prison writings from Armstrong.  to me, and i could be imagining things, they sound alot like TPTB.  i honestly don't know what to think; all i know is something feels quite fishy

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June 07, 2015, 08:32:25 PM
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go back and look at TPTB's posts since registering.  they are filled with Armstrong references.  does anyone see a problem with that?

i do; it's called lack of diversification.  who worships just one guy all the time?  no astute investor.  that alone is cause for suspicion.

Well, he's not alone I can tell you this. I know many guys that consider Armstrong as an almighty prediction-God walking among the mortals. On the other hand, I am convinced that every theory presented (by anyone) needs to be put into a test, no matter how bizarre it may look. I don't find his support to him particularly suspicious, even though I personally never tend to expedite a conclusion without testing thoroughly a theory first. FWIW from my point of view, Armstrong's one has already passed one test...

...I don't buy his "computer model" explanation though. Wink

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June 07, 2015, 08:40:06 PM
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go back and look at TPTB's posts since registering.  they are filled with Armstrong references.  does anyone see a problem with that?

i do; it's called lack of diversification.  who worships just one guy all the time?  no astute investor.  that alone is cause for suspicion.


Have you not read my criticisms of Armstrong? iamback is me.

Quote from: Armstrong @ 13:50
...why do we borrow? And a subtle thing happened when we went to the floating exchange rate [in 1971]; before in the '60s if you went to the bank you had E Bonds or whatever and ... said I want to borrow against my savings in government E Bonds, they'd say, "No". It was illegal. And banks were not allowed to lend on government debt. That was correct in the sense you could say it was less inflationary to borrow than to print [i.e. difference between dropping money from banks to (government) borrowers versus Ben Bernanke's famous phrase "dropping cash from helicopters"]. But in '71 that was removed, so if you want to trade futures, you put your money in T-bills and post it as collateral. So now debt has simply become a new way of printing money that pays interest [to the banks!] and we don't understand what we've done so the national debt ... is really just money that is paying interest [to the banksters!] ... the interest payments are about 70% of the total national debt ... and that is why the system will collapse [when interest rates rise] ... in the USA if we had just printed the money [instead of borrowing it into existence from the magic wand of fractional banking], the national debt would only be 40% of what it is today; we are both creating currency and also paying interest on it...

So Armstrong has been pitching this idea that governments could just print the money they need for taxes. So the model he is proposing is where national currencies float against an international reserve currency, so governments can then mess up their own currencies if they wish. He prefer the governments just print the money from their central banks, and the relative success of nations at managing their economic and fiscal policies will determine their relative value of the national currencies relative to the inevitable one-world reserve currency.

But by Armstrong's own admission, trade only accounts for 10% of the world's capital flows and thus the vast majority of the world's wealth will choose the one-world reserve currency as its unit-of-account and thus who ever has their hands on the levers for the debasement and fractional reserves rules of the one-world reserve currency (e.g. the elite who run the World Bank, BIS, IMF, etc..) can then speculate and manipulate the national economies at-will. This will be just Goldman Sachs take over of Europe and Greece but on a global economy-of-scale level.

For analogous reasons as to why the Euro failed, the one-world reserve currency with national government debts denominated in separate currencies will also cause the nations to fail just like Greece did. The bottom line is that who ever controls the reserve currency of the world, holds the power to destroy and enslave the other nations.

Also Armstrong is contradicting himself on claiming above that the impetus for a move to a one-world reserve currency will be only for economic reasons and "not political".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AxOUyPKA_vg

Quote from: Armstrong @ 11:50
...we are going to go to some sort of new international reserve currency because there have been a lot of political problems with it [the dollar, i.e. one nation's debts being financed on the back of the world using that nation's currency as a reserve]...

http://armstrongeconomics.com/2015/03/10/the-one-world-currency-not-arriving-voluntarily/

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I “believe” we will be forced into that one-world currency because of the collapse of the Euro and the contagion that will impact Japan. It will become the “solution” to hide the default on socialism. We are already in a declining trend since 2007 for all economies outside the USA. The USA is the only thing holding this thing up. When the global economy turns down, watch the finger-pointing.

The Sovereign Debt Crisis will cause the new currency to emerge for this is how they default. I would like to think that our proposal could be usurped and we end the borrowing, which nobody intends to repay anyway. But let’s be realistic. The collapse will be forced upon the world because of the failure of Marxism. That is the key. The very fundamental idea that government is capable of managing the economy.

The elite have planned this out a long time ago. They BIS Basel rounds have been preplanned for a long time and they slowly are increasing the Tier 1 capital requirements on banks. This will force mark-to-market and everything will collapse.

From that political problem, the world will have no choice but to accept a monetary reset, and the only way to get all the nations to agree to a reset will be for the power of the reserve currency to not be held by any one nation.

So that power will be transferred to an international entity. The elite will pretend it is a fair entity that has representation from all the nations, but as always, they will control this institution.

Armstrong wrote the following posts to try to refute what I had written as quoted below.

http://armstrongeconomics.com/2015/03/11/rothschilds-fact-or-disinformation-to-protect-the-guilty/
http://armstrongeconomics.com/2015/03/10/the-one-world-currency-not-arriving-voluntarily/
http://armstrongeconomics.com/2015/03/10/federal-reserve-confusion/
http://armstrongeconomics.com/2015/03/10/negative-interest-rates-brain-dead-thinking-that-will-implode-the-world/


...This will cause an acceleration of capital flow into the USA, driving the USA stocks to a phase transition bubble near 40,000 by 2017. The Fed will react by raising interest rates, seeing this as an opportunity to unwind their balance sheet and to pretend to be protecting the 99% against the 1% who profit on stocks. (Note Armstrong doesn't seem to understand the Fed will do this because TPTB want the masses to beg for their own demise, its all part of the master plan towards a one-world reserve currency and global Technocracy. Armstrong doesn't understand that at Bilderberg meetings a smaller group of less than a dozen meet to discuss the real plan for the world, he isn't inside the top most circle)

This rise in interest rates will cause the rest of the world (which is short the dollar due to borrowing all the QE which ended up invested outside the USA) to collapse, thus killing the USA exports from both reduced international demand and a stronger dollar.

USA should thus follow into terminal decline in 2017.

Dominoes falling...

It is very sad for me that Armstrong is in bed with the global elite, even if he doesn't realize it.

Of course the global elite don't control destiny. Human nature is in control. But the global elite are indeed playing their role as handed to them on a silver platter by human nature.

Instead of playing into the elite's goals with his Solutions Conference. Armstrong as a programmer should be helping us to create crypto-currency solutions.

Specifically the way to counter the worse effects of the one-world currency are to study my writings about the Knowledge Age which were linked from the opening post of this now 45 page forum thread.


You will probably need a week or two of studying the thread slowly.

I will be the first to admit I needed a week to fully absorb the following works of AnonyMint.

The Rise of Knowledge
Understand Everything Fundamentally

Together these are quite simply the most insightful piece of economic theory I have ever read.

If the author is right and I think he is we are all in the midst of a tragedy of epic proportions.  It is sad unstoppable and will devastate the lives of much of humanity.

The fundamental theme is summarized in my latter essay about "Thought Isn't Fungible":

http://unheresy.com/Information%20Is%20Alive.html#Thought_Isn%27t_Fungible

The Industrial Age relied on large economies-of-scale for manufacturing, which meant that fixed capital investments and NAV calculations sufficed for investment. The world was structured around a fixed return on capital model. This meant that large capital could find economies-of-scale for investment.

The Knowledge Age destroys all that! Big passive capital becomes dumb and impotent. Active capital (actual knowledge) is required in the Knowledge Age.

Thus those who invest in the reserve currency unit-of-account are in a dying paradigm. That one-world currency and eventual failure of the nations into a one-world government will be paradigm of death and eugenics (exactly as predicted in the Bible).

What is rising to take its place is knowledge based currencies where the unit-of-account can be pegged to the one-world reserve currency at a carrying cost by employing options to stabilize the pegged proxy unit. Since Knowledge Age workers will generate orders-of-magnitude higher ROI than fixed capital investment models (i.e. debt models) in the one-world system, the Knowledge Age workers can easily ignore this carrying cost as insignificant.

This is the mechanism by which the Knowledge Age will conquer the one-world reserve currency.

Good day. Armstrong stop being a dinosaur and give me your damn phone number so we can talk.

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June 07, 2015, 08:40:23 PM
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go back and look at TPTB's posts since registering.  they are filled with Armstrong references.  does anyone see a problem with that?

i do; it's called lack of diversification.  who worships just one guy all the time?  no astute investor.  that alone is cause for suspicion.

Well, he's not alone I can tell you this. I know many guys that consider Armstrong as an almighty prediction-God walking among the mortals. On the other hand, I am convinced that every theory presented (by anyone) needs to be put into a test, no matter how bizarre it may look. I don't find his support to him particularly suspicious, even though I personally never tend to expedite a conclusion without testing thoroughly a theory first. FWIW from my point of view, Armstrong's one has already passed one test...

...I don't buy his "computer model" explanation though. Wink

Don't believe him, just watch Smiley
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June 07, 2015, 08:45:00 PM
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...I don't buy his "computer model" explanation though. Wink

You probably lack appropriate domain knowledge to form an accurate assessment?

Have you not reviewed his record of correct predictions? It is essentially flawless since the 1980s if you understand his predictions are conditional and price and time are separate predictions.

There is hidden order that is extracted when you have a $1 billion database of every financial detail over the past 6000 years.

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June 07, 2015, 08:55:54 PM
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Game over, Frap.doc.


FYI, Nick Szabo retweeted (and added to his favorites):
https://twitter.com/oleganza/status/605117508971053057
"@oleganza: If Bitcoin was ever competing with Paypal or Visa, it would not even start. It competes with gold and central banks."


Thus Saith The LORD.  Amen!

MP et all can force their will only until Blockstream's pegged side chains arrive. Then afaics his GavinCoin short is rendered impotent since GavinCoin can be forked as a pegged side chain. What say he this?

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June 07, 2015, 09:01:48 PM
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Don't believe him, just watch Smiley
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P-WdrMLLpPg

Or Bustin' Jieber.

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June 07, 2015, 09:03:14 PM
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if you believe in the concept of forum plants, then TPTB_need_war fits the bill to a tee.

i don't know about Shelby Moore but i still think his acct could be mulitply owned and used to troll me down.  the sleep charts i put up yesterday still hold.

The sleep chart is somewhat interesting but you ignore the possibility that his sleep schedule shifts over time, something not uncommon among people who aren't tied to the clock by a 9-5 job or the like, especially those with insomnia.

To show that the person/people operating the account aren't sleeping you would have to analyze 24 hour windows and see how many of those don't have a sleep break, not just look at averages over several months.

TPTB, you mentioned arguing with me along with rpeitila in your comments about BTC price calls but I doubt that is correct. I rarely make those sort of predictions, and I don't remember doing so, although it is possible I suppose.



after going thru many of Armstrongs writings from this link: https://www.scribd.com/kzuur58  
the writing styles are alike, imo, and his incessant, continual writings while in prison and even while in a hole seem to me to match that of TPTB and could acct for the lack of a typical sleep rhythm.  the constant whining about his own health, comments  from other ppl, and the historical references seem very similar.  their equivalent outlook on Bitcoin and the NWO and one world currency views are identical.

one thing that could obscure the typical slope of the sleep cycles of the top 10 posters is their large #'s compared to Anonymint and TPTB.  our larger #'s accentuate our waking bars while the rare middle of the night posts fail to increment in step thus deepening the troughs of our sleep cycles thus making them more visible.  that's enough of an explanation to make me abandon it in favor of TPTB being Armstrong.
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