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Question: Will you support Gavin's new block size limit hard fork of 8MB by January 1, 2016 then doubling every 2 years?
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June 03, 2015, 05:54:55 PM
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Gavin's strength is his maturity and calm demeanor, imo.  he'll win if it comes down to a battle.

Nope.  Szatoshi will back Back and Maxwell.  The cypherpunks will stick together (or hang separately).

You should change your handle to 'FrappuccinoDoc.'   Grin

Bitcoin XT is a poison pill for all the newbs and unwary, certain bug fix commits that went into Core have already been omitted. Both Hearn and Andresen have been covertly anti-privacy from day zero, paying it only lip service when pressed. Don't trust it or them. Not to mention it is poorly maintained and totally untested. I can't believe I'm reading such a mad approach being championed on these pages ... it's like a twilight zone episode wtf are you people thinking !!! following Pied Pipers now?

I asked you once to support these serious allegations. Because you're calling Mike and Gavin liars otherwise.

You need to prove this now so that we can confirm or more likely dispense with you as a liar.

marcus, we're still waiting.
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June 03, 2015, 06:01:10 PM
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Yes, I've seen that quote from 2010 before and am still against 20mb blocks at this time.  My turn:

Satoshi's own words:

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https://twitter.com/NickSzabo4
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Bitcoin is a global currency. Good thread on int'l bandwidth & other threats to interconnectivity of Bitcoin miners: https://www.mail-archive.com/bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net/msg08010.html

Nick Szabo retweeted
Peter Todd ‏@petertoddbtc May 30

FYI: @gavinandresen's (optimistic) 20MB block analysis had an arithmetic error, and actually supports 8MB blocks https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/37vg8y/is_the_blockstream_company_the_reason_why_4_core/crqgtgs

TL;DR Gavin's own math (when corrected) shows 8MB, not 20, is the right answer, so now he's willing to accept 8.

Sounds better then just 1 mb lol.

And this is something we would have to do every 5 years then? increase the block size? based on transaction volume etc.
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June 03, 2015, 06:06:06 PM
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How did this go from a gold collapsing bitcoin up thread to a poll about Gavin?

The ongoing Gavinista coup and looming Great Schism are widely considered the most serious and credible threats yet to cypher's bullish "Bitcoin UP" prediction/outlook.

Is not the Chicago boys any of us have to worry about. It's the Monero boys.  

True.  Monero solved the block size issue on day one with adaptive block sizes and costing.  I'm not in favor of rushing anything and like sipa's list of todos before any increase of Bitcoin block size, but there is some urgency for that.
http://sourceforge.net/p/bitcoin/mailman/message/34090896/

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June 03, 2015, 06:24:55 PM
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Converted my first node to XT today.

I figured that cypherdoc's stash would vanish eventually, and probably has been draining away through one scam or another over these past years.  He is a classic case of 'falling down in shit and coming up smelling like a rose', but it's inevitable that a guy of his caliber will have their luck run out eventually.  Now we see how the big one is likely hit him...by converting to an alt.  <snicker>


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June 03, 2015, 06:30:17 PM
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Converted my first node to XT today.

I figured that cypherdoc's stash would vanish eventually, and probably has been draining away through one scam or another over these past years.  He is a classic case of 'falling down in shit and coming up smelling like a rose', but it's inevitable that a guy of his caliber will have their luck run out eventually.  Now we see how the big one is likely hit him...by converting to an alt.  <snicker>



lol, what can i say about such idiocy?  it's just a node ffs.  but then, you  wouldn't know the difference anyways, eh?  it always amazes me the vomit that you are so willing to spew forth.
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June 03, 2015, 06:40:52 PM
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Do we really have to attack each other that soon? Wait for when theres 2 bitcoins, and I think you'll know who to blame, his name is in the thread's pool.
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June 03, 2015, 07:27:15 PM
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Gavin's strength is his maturity and calm demeanor, imo.  he'll win if it comes down to a battle.

Nope.  Szatoshi will back Back and Maxwell.  The cypherpunks will stick together (or hang separately).

You should change your handle to 'FrappuccinoDoc.'   Grin

Bitcoin XT is a poison pill for all the newbs and unwary, certain bug fix commits that went into Core have already been omitted. Both Hearn and Andresen have been covertly anti-privacy from day zero, paying it only lip service when pressed. Don't trust it or them. Not to mention it is poorly maintained and totally untested. I can't believe I'm reading such a mad approach being championed on these pages ... it's like a twilight zone episode wtf are you people thinking !!! following Pied Pipers now?

I asked you once to support these serious allegations. Because you're calling Mike and Gavin liars otherwise.

You need to prove this now so that we can confirm or more likely dispense with you as a liar.

marcus, we're still waiting.

How do we get involved to improve the bitcoin xt?

Or is it like a invite only for now, for the core dev team?

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June 03, 2015, 07:34:48 PM
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How did this go from a gold collapsing bitcoin up thread to a poll about Gavin?

The ongoing Gavinista coup and looming Great Schism are widely considered the most serious and credible threats yet to cypher's bullish "Bitcoin UP" prediction/outlook.

Is not the Chicago boys any of us have to worry about. It's the Monero boys.  

True.  Monero solved the block size issue on day one with adaptive block sizes and costing.  I'm not in favor of rushing anything and like sipa's list of todos before any increase of Bitcoin block size, but there is some urgency for that.
http://sourceforge.net/p/bitcoin/mailman/message/34090896/

there's nothing in there that hasn't been addressed by pro-block increase folks:


1.  again, he talks like 20MB will be instantly produced as a reason the network will choke.  no they won't, it will gradually increase over years during which bandwidth and storage will improve
2.  he talks about full nodes w/o ever considering users.  this is the problem i spoke about yesterday; these guys think the node is the fundamental unit which is wrong.  he mentions that merchants should be the ones to increase the #nodes; i agree.  but merchant businesses won't be created if there aren't users.  so grow the users thru wider adoption via cheaper fees and reliability.  don't choke them off with unconf tx's and high fees.
3.  he's right that "need" won't stop at 20MB but will just increase.  but that will take time as i said above and just how is that a bad thing to have all the extra users driving the system?  that will mean Bitcoin has successfully spread out thru growth.  but that growth can't happen if you have a technical choke on the system.
4.  i don't buy the fact that with 20MB that somehow large miners are going to pump out large blocks for a perceived benefit over small miners.  first off, all miners large and small probably have equal internet access speed.  it's a small cost to have one and any business running a pool is sure to have one so connectivity shouldn't be an issue.  as for the ability force small miners to process large blocks, this comes at the risk of the large miner getting orphaned trying to do so.  i've already explained why they shouldn't be bothered playing these games trying to hurt an undefined supposed enemy pool size.  Game theory effectively argues against this.  why shoot themselves in the foot undermining confidence in the system and crashing the price?  why alienate all their hashing clients who will pull out and punish them ala ghash?  it doesn't make sense.
5.  of all the Blockstream devs, Pieter would be the one who'd i think would be least captured.  but i have $21M that says he is at some level.
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June 03, 2015, 07:35:55 PM
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Converted my first node to XT today.

Was it as easy as expected? Just install and run with existing bitcoind directory? Or were there any catches?
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June 03, 2015, 07:53:14 PM
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Converted my first node to XT today.

Was it as easy as expected? Just install and run with existing bitcoind directory? Or were there any catches?

yeah, i think so.  i got alittle confused a bit along the way but got it up and running.  if you run into trouble, install the dependencies from here:  https://github.com/bitcoinxt/bitcoinxt
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June 03, 2015, 07:53:31 PM
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Converted my first node to XT today.

Was it as easy as expected? Just install and run with existing bitcoind directory? Or were there any catches?
on windows, just run the installer and all works, all config files are preserved and all CGminer scrips work as expected, cant say if Armory has any issues but I think it would just work.

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June 03, 2015, 07:57:07 PM
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how many do we have so far?

https://getaddr.bitnodes.io/nodes/?q=NODE_GETUTXOS

https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/383jam/support_larger_blocks_by_running_a_bitcoin_xt/crsfori
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Converted my first node to XT today.

Was it as easy as expected? Just install and run with existing bitcoind directory? Or were there any catches?
on windows, just run the installer and all works, all config files are preserved and all CGminer scrips work as expected, cant say if Armory has any issues but I think it would just work.

doug@armory claims it should work just fine.  they aren't worried a bit.
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June 03, 2015, 08:01:53 PM
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Gavin's strength is his maturity and calm demeanor, imo.  he'll win if it comes down to a battle.

Nope.  Szatoshi will back Back and Maxwell.  The cypherpunks will stick together (or hang separately).

You should change your handle to 'FrappuccinoDoc.'   Grin

Bitcoin XT is a poison pill for all the newbs and unwary, certain bug fix commits that went into Core have already been omitted. Both Hearn and Andresen have been covertly anti-privacy from day zero, paying it only lip service when pressed. Don't trust it or them. Not to mention it is poorly maintained and totally untested. I can't believe I'm reading such a mad approach being championed on these pages ... it's like a twilight zone episode wtf are you people thinking !!! following Pied Pipers now?

I asked you once to support these serious allegations. Because you're calling Mike and Gavin liars otherwise.

You need to prove this now so that we can confirm or more likely dispense with you as a liar.

marcus, we're still waiting.

How do we get involved to improve the bitcoin xt?

Or is it like a invite only for now, for the core dev team?

contact Mike Hearn or Gavin.  they're looking for help. golden opportunity to get involved.
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June 03, 2015, 08:02:17 PM
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my node still registers as Satoshi:0.10.1/ on bitnodes.io


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June 03, 2015, 08:04:21 PM
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huh.  so the link from statoshi above indicates we may already have 85? Shocked
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June 03, 2015, 08:08:26 PM
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Gavin's strength is his maturity and calm demeanor, imo.  he'll win if it comes down to a battle.

Nope.  Szatoshi will back Back and Maxwell.  The cypherpunks will stick together (or hang separately).

You should change your handle to 'FrappuccinoDoc.'   Grin

Bitcoin XT is a poison pill for all the newbs and unwary, certain bug fix commits that went into Core have already been omitted. Both Hearn and Andresen have been covertly anti-privacy from day zero, paying it only lip service when pressed. Don't trust it or them. Not to mention it is poorly maintained and totally untested. I can't believe I'm reading such a mad approach being championed on these pages ... it's like a twilight zone episode wtf are you people thinking !!! following Pied Pipers now?

I asked you once to support these serious allegations. Because you're calling Mike and Gavin liars otherwise.

You need to prove this now so that we can confirm or more likely dispense with you as a liar.

marcus, we're still waiting.

How do we get involved to improve the bitcoin xt?

Or is it like a invite only for now, for the core dev team?

contact Mike Hearn or Gavin.  they're looking for help. golden opportunity to get involved.


Or just knock @CIA #MIT

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June 03, 2015, 08:08:47 PM
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from Jameson Lopp an hour ago:

http://i.imgur.com/kX1Ed19.png
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June 03, 2015, 08:19:06 PM
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interesting note, just looking around the node distribution map the nodes seem to be evenly distributed in the "West" with the density increasing with population density, the notable exceptions are Africa, China and oddly enough Japan and Moscow with almost 50 at the city center monitored by ex. KGB.   

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June 03, 2015, 08:21:14 PM
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from Jameson Lopp an hour ago:

http://i.imgur.com/kX1Ed19.png

That is scary. March 2016 is looking more and more that it might be too late.

But I'm sure the blockstream guys only see the emergence of fee pressure that will push people onto sidechains.

The whole blocksize debate has been theoretical so far. But once people's transactions start to backlog the discussion will take a very different turn. People want to be able to transaction directly with Bitcoin in an affordable manner. That is the entire ethos of the project.
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