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June 08, 2015, 08:20:57 AM
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Now; lets make things simpler. Say we can set with a very good precision the initial conditions. We're now talking about a SIMPLE dynamic system here with fully determined initial conditions. Now pay attention: Even if you can set the initial conditions on such a system, small differences have a totally different outcome; so as the time goes by; your predictions are getting enormously difficult to be true, thus rendering the predictions useless. This system's behaviour is called "deterministic chaos" and was first observed by Edward Lorenz who defined it like this:

Chaos: When the present determines the future, but the approximate present does not approximately determine the future. 1

Implicit in your point is that we can not specify initial conditions with exact precision due to Planck's constant (which is intimately related to that the speed-of-light is finite and also conceptually related to the Heisenberg uncertainty principle).

That is all fine and dandy, except it is irrelevant to games of chance in real world outcomes. If it were true that no order emerged from chaos, then entropy would be simultaneously infinite (internally) and 0 (externally) and nothing could exist from an internal nor external perspective. The internal perspective would fail to find any relative order (no point of reference with which to make an observation) and the external observer would observe a void.

Order exists at higher levels of conceptualization. And this is your myopia on our disagreement about Armstrong's computer model and your other egregious attack on knowledge. I encourage you to delve into the links I gave you to Armstrong's writings about his model and chaos theory wherein he explains that moving to higher dimensions can extract order that is hidden in lower dimensional conceptualizations similar to your myopia here.

P.S. you are correct that the existing stochastic models employed are one-dimensional and thus don't have the scope to pull order out-of-chaos. Armstrong developed a multi-dimensional entropy stochastic model which extracts hidden order.

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June 08, 2015, 08:31:21 AM
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I also thought astrology was bullshit. But as hard as I tried, I was proven wrong in my experience (now that isn't a double-blind survey but relativity can't be i.e. your experience may be different).


I'm not surprised at all. People who are drawn to conspiracy theories tend to be suspicious about everything except the most obvious frauds.

You assume I made any global assumption. All I stated is that in my experience I have noticed that early period Cancers have a tendency to be more extrovert than those later. Ditto my observation about Cancers being so incredibly attuned to details about intentions.

I have tried (even again recently) to find a case where it isn't true. Try as I might, I always fail to. Until I find a case that disproves the theory, then I have to assume that in my experience it is true.

You are a simpleton thinker (so far).

Your conceptualization of chaos is so myopic.

I hope that people reading this thread do not skip this comment, so they can save time by skipping everything else you've written and everything else you will write from now on.

Fur the first  time in my history here I hit the ignore button before going to bed. I  think this is going to work  out.
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June 08, 2015, 08:35:22 AM
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The season you are born (climate in general) has MUCH to do with who you are (and not the stars).
Epigenome.

There are studies, bored to dig them up now, but it is very straightforward for people with evolutionary biology, epigenetics etc background.

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June 08, 2015, 08:38:41 AM
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Fur the first  time in my history here I hit the ignore button before going to bed. I  think this is going to work  out.

Hi Führer, I really think that is for the best don't you?


I also thought astrology was bullshit. But as hard as I tried, I was proven wrong in my experience (now that isn't a double-blind survey but relativity can't be i.e. your experience may be different).


I'm not surprised at all. People (such as myself) who are drawn toconflate "conspiracy theories" with data correlation tend to be suspicious about everything except the most obvious fraudsassume that everything that can't be falsified within their (our) data set is a fraud (and should be ignored thus further limiting their <our> available armchair dataset in a self-reinforcing myopia).

ftfy

Now; lets make things simpler. Say we can set with a very good precision the initial conditions. We're now talking about a SIMPLE dynamic system here with fully determined initial conditions. Now pay attention: Even if you can set the initial conditions on such a system, small differences have a totally different outcome; so as the time goes by; your predictions are getting enormously difficult to be true, thus rendering the predictions useless. This system's behaviour is called "deterministic chaos" and was first observed by Edward Lorenz who defined it like this:

Chaos: When the present determines the future, but the approximate present does not approximately determine the future. 1

Implicit in your point is that we can not specify initial conditions with exact precision due to Planck's constant (which is intimately related to that the speed-of-light is finite and also conceptually related to the Heisenberg uncertainty principle).

That is all fine and dandy, except it is irrelevant to games of chance in real world outcomes. If it were true that no order emerged from chaos, then entropy would be simultaneously infinite (internally) and 0 (externally) and nothing could exist from an internal nor external perspective. The internal perspective would fail to find any relative order (no point of reference with which to make an observation) and the external observer would observe a void.

Order exists at higher levels of conceptualization. And this is your myopia on our disagreement about Armstrong's computer model and your other egregious attack on knowledge. I encourage you to delve into the links I gave you to Armstrong's writings about his model and chaos theory wherein he explains that moving to higher dimensions can extract order that is hidden in lower dimensional conceptualizations similar to your myopia here.

P.S. you are correct that the existing stochastic models employed are one-dimensional and thus don't have the scope to pull order out-of-chaos. Armstrong developed a multi-dimensional entropy stochastic model which extracts hidden order.

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June 08, 2015, 08:39:33 AM
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The season you are born (climate in general) has MUCH to do with who you are (and not the stars).
Epigenome.

There are studies, bored to dig them up now, but it is very straightforward for people with evolutionary biology, epigenetics etc background.

Dude, our climate is from the sun (a star)  Huh

If your choice of nickname is apt, then you should easily realize that.

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June 08, 2015, 08:42:59 AM
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That comment is at best unclear except for the content-free insults, and at worst incoherent and rambling in the frothy manner of a crank like Anonymint.

Ain't it nice that you admit you can't comprehend. At least you didn't dishonestly accuse me of being context-free and you admitted you just can't wrap your mind about my logic. There are numerous possible reasons for this effect.


wow, such cockfight.

much pop corn.


ps: hopefully bitcoin wont wage those egos all around. good thing is technology does not care about feelings.

I bet 50 moneroj on TPTB_need_war Grin (vs cypherdoc)
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June 08, 2015, 08:47:40 AM
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The season you are born (climate in general) has MUCH to do with who you are (and not the stars).
Epigenome.

There are studies, bored to dig them up now, but it is very straightforward for people with evolutionary biology, epigenetics etc background.

Dude, our climate is from the Sun (a star)  Huh

If your choice of nickname is apt, then you should easily realize that.

I don't think he excluded that entirely. My assumption is he was arguing a direct correlation so as to give his argument maximum veracity here.

Note we are all aware that correlation != causality.

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June 08, 2015, 08:50:21 AM
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The season you are born (climate in general) has MUCH to do with who you are (and not the stars).
Epigenome.

There are studies, bored to dig them up now, but it is very straightforward for people with evolutionary biology, epigenetics etc background.

Dude, our climate is from the sun (a star)  Huh

If your choice of nickname is apt, then you should easily realize that.

I don't think he excluded that entirely. My assumption is he was arguing a direct correlation so as to give his argument maximum veracity here.

I look at language maybe like a programmer would their code, and using the operator "and not the stars" would, to me, exclude all stars from that set.

...مكتوب
Escape the plutocrats’ zanpakutō, Flower in the Mirror, Moon on the Water: brave “the ascent which is rough and steep” (Plato).
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June 08, 2015, 08:53:54 AM
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The season you are born (climate in general) has MUCH to do with who you are (and not the stars).
Epigenome.

There are studies, bored to dig them up now, but it is very straightforward for people with evolutionary biology, epigenetics etc background.

Dude, our climate is from the Sun (a star)  Huh

If your choice of nickname is apt, then you should easily realize that.

I don't think he excluded that entirely. My assumption is he was arguing a direct correlation so as to give his argument maximum veracity here.

I look at language maybe like a programmer would their code, and using the operator "and not the stars" would, to me, exclude all stars from that set.

It is well known in computer science that syntax doesn't capture semantics. The semantics here is highly layered, so it is difficult to concisely express intent in syntax, because he is also dealing with politics and audience comprehension/belief.

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June 08, 2015, 08:54:14 AM
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I mean that stars have nothing to do with the mechanisms astrology describes but of course a lot with the physics involved.

Pardon my ενγλις  Grin

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June 08, 2015, 08:57:59 AM
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Pardon my ενγλις  Grin

Shit I am not a polygot much.

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June 08, 2015, 08:58:10 AM
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The season you are born (climate in general) has MUCH to do with who you are (and not the stars).
Epigenome.

There are studies, bored to dig them up now, but it is very straightforward for people with evolutionary biology, epigenetics etc background.

Dude, our climate is from the Sun (a star)  Huh

If your choice of nickname is apt, then you should easily realize that.
Εh? Huh

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June 08, 2015, 08:58:17 AM
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I mean that stars have nothing to do with the mechanisms astrology describes but of course a lot with the physics involved.

Pardon my ενγλις  Grin

The stars and everything else that go around in circles all follow a calendar, all together. It's all a mathematical pirouette.

http://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php/435:_Purity

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June 08, 2015, 09:00:36 AM
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I mean that stars have nothing to do with the mechanisms astrology describes but of course a lot with the physics involved.

Pardon my ενγλις  Grin

The stars and everything else that go around in circles all follow a calendar, all together. It's all a mathematical pirouette.

http://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php/435:_Purity

But due to chaos theory we can't predict that the sun will rise tomorrow  Huh

(this is satire)

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June 08, 2015, 09:00:46 AM
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The season you are born (climate in general) has MUCH to do with who you are (and not the stars).
Epigenome.

There are studies, bored to dig them up now, but it is very straightforward for people with evolutionary biology, epigenetics etc background.

Dude, our climate is from the sun (a star)  Huh

If your choice of nickname is apt, then you should easily realize that.
Εh? Huh

Paul Klee, artist.

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Escape the plutocrats’ zanpakutō, Flower in the Mirror, Moon on the Water: brave “the ascent which is rough and steep” (Plato).
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June 08, 2015, 09:04:29 AM
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The season you are born (climate in general) has MUCH to do with who you are (and not the stars).
Epigenome.

There are studies, bored to dig them up now, but it is very straightforward for people with evolutionary biology, epigenetics etc background.

Dude, our climate is from the Sun (a star)  Huh

If your choice of nickname is apt, then you should easily realize that.
Εh? Huh

Paul Klee, artist.
Ah was not aware of him - this is a nick a friend made out of my name (Ανδροκλής - ΚΛΗ sounds almost like kLee and he said I behave at times like a general and he remembered General Lee (Dukes of Hazard also) thus kLee lol)

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June 08, 2015, 09:06:29 AM
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Korean kimchi. Again last night. Multiple Sclerosis going away. Hope it works for you too.

Camote, boiled fat green bananas, no grains. Copious protein, whole food fats, no nuts, and lots of raw greens. High dose vitamin D3 to feed the immune system while it is being repaired in the gut.

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June 08, 2015, 09:34:37 AM
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The season you are born (climate in general) has MUCH to do with who you are (and not the stars).
Epigenome.

There are studies, bored to dig them up now, but it is very straightforward for people with evolutionary biology, epigenetics etc background.

Dude, our climate is from the Sun (a star)  Huh

If your choice of nickname is apt, then you should easily realize that.

I don't think he excluded that entirely. My assumption is he was arguing a direct correlation so as to give his argument maximum veracity here.

I look at language maybe like a programmer would their code, and using the operator "and not the stars" would, to me, exclude all stars from that set.

It is well known in computer science that syntax doesn't capture semantics. The semantics here is highly layered, so it is difficult to concisely express intent in syntax, because he is also dealing with politics and audience comprehension/belief.

What's poetry? What's musick?

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Escape the plutocrats’ zanpakutō, Flower in the Mirror, Moon on the Water: brave “the ascent which is rough and steep” (Plato).
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June 08, 2015, 09:39:08 AM
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Korean kimchi. Again last night. Multiple Sclerosis going away. Hope it works for you too.

Camote, boiled fat green bananas, no grains. Copious protein, whole food fats, no nuts, and lots of raw greens. High dose vitamin D3 to feed the immune system while it is being repaired in the gut.
good stuff - but I like some nuts too hehe  Roll Eyes

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June 08, 2015, 09:41:34 AM
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The season you are born (climate in general) has MUCH to do with who you are (and not the stars).
Epigenome.

There are studies, bored to dig them up now, but it is very straightforward for people with evolutionary biology, epigenetics etc background.

Dude, our climate is from the Sun (a star)  Huh

If your choice of nickname is apt, then you should easily realize that.

I don't think he excluded that entirely. My assumption is he was arguing a direct correlation so as to give his argument maximum veracity here.

I look at language maybe like a programmer would their code, and using the operator "and not the stars" would, to me, exclude all stars from that set.

It is well known in computer science that syntax doesn't capture semantics. The semantics here is highly layered, so it is difficult to concisely express intent in syntax, because he is also dealing with politics and audience comprehension/belief.

What's poetry? What's musick?

A living, dynamic and reinterpretable interaction with the audience?


NOTICE: I am leaving this thread. Want to get some other things in my life done. Anyone can PM me if there is something important I need to read. Otherwise assume if I didn't reply, it is because I didn't read this thread again.


For those who don't believe there is a cabal:

https://archive.org/details/TaxExemptFoundationsTheEnemyWithin-NormanDoddDrStanMonteith

Princes of the Yen: Central Bank Truth Documentary 『円の支配者

http://billmoyers.com/episode/the-deep-state-hiding-in-plain-sight/

https://www.google.com/search?q=Anthony+Sutton

https://solari.com/blog/the-bilderbergers-with-dr-joseph-farrell/

https://solari.com/blog/solari-stories-the-black-budget/

Rumsfeld 2.3 Trillion Dollars missing Pentagon

$9,000,000,000,000 MISSING From The Federal Reserve SHOCKING FOOTAGE

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