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June 08, 2015, 06:01:57 AM
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He is author of  CoinJoin.

Mentioning that technological train wreck doesn't help make your case. At least for those us who are not n00bs or junior programmers.

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June 08, 2015, 06:08:34 AM
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The Genesis Block mentions bailouts for TBTF banks.  It does not mention Visa or Paypal.

"banks" were used as a broad term to encompass Visa/Paypal

Dunning Kruger simpleton (to a hammer everything is a nail) extrapolation on 'roids again.

More likely he just hadn't figured out how to scale it yet. And left it as an open problem for a new altcoin, because he said before he left that the fundamental Bitcoin design was frozen forever.

As I hope, one of the programmers working for the DEEP STATE to implement Bitcoin planted it as a Trojan horse on itself.

And now I am about to avail of it. I am communicating with Satoshi (in a metaphoric way).

it is a revolution.  but it needs to be widely adopted.

Grasshopper the cell phone was a revolution too but it didn't require any preachers in forums to make it happen. Note the distinction between technological disruption and bullshit political delusion.

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June 08, 2015, 06:19:24 AM
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I also thought astrology was bullshit. But as hard as I tried, I was proven wrong in my experience (now that isn't a double-blind survey but relativity can't be i.e. your experience may be different).


I'm not surprised at all. People who are drawn to conspiracy theories tend to be suspicious about everything except the most obvious frauds.

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June 08, 2015, 06:25:35 AM
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I also thought astrology was bullshit. But as hard as I tried, I was proven wrong in my experience (now that isn't a double-blind survey but relativity can't be i.e. your experience may be different).


I'm not surprised at all. People who are drawn to conspiracy theories tend to be suspicious about everything except the most obvious frauds.

You assume I made any global assumption (don't conflate what you read with what wasn't written but in your desired bias). All I stated is that in my experience I have noticed that early period Cancers have a tendency to be more proactive (rebellious) than those later. Ditto my observation about all Cancers being so incredibly attuned to details and ramifications about the background of intentions.

I have tried (even again recently) to find a case where it isn't true (even I subjected myself to complete loss making the assumption that my prior experience won't repeat). Try as I might, I always fail to. Until I find a case that disproves the theory, then I have to assume that in my experience it is true (that is not a statement of truth globally). How many times I have written that I am not omniscient.

You appear to be leaning towards a simpletoncompartmentalized/presumptuous thinker (so far).

Afaics, your conceptualization of chaos is so myopic, but we need to dig in to that to ascertain for sure where we both stand. Due to relativity, we must triangulate to get some synergy on understanding each other.

You do realize that every double-blind survey is subject to being entirely false due to the laws about entropy. The veracity it provides is only relative.

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June 08, 2015, 06:35:42 AM
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I also thought astrology was bullshit. But as hard as I tried, I was proven wrong in my experience (now that isn't a double-blind survey but relativity can't be i.e. your experience may be different).


I'm not surprised at all. People who are drawn to conspiracy theories tend to be suspicious about everything except the most obvious frauds.

You assume I made any global assumption. All I stated is that in my experience I have noticed that early period Cancers have a tendency to be more extrovert than those later. Ditto my observation about Cancers being so incredibly attuned to details about intentions.

I have tried (even again recently) to find a case where it isn't true. Try as I might, I always fail to. Until I find a case that disproves the theory, then I have to assume that in my experience it is true.

You are a simpleton thinker (so far).

Your conceptualization of chaos is so myopic.

I hope that people reading this thread do not skip this comment, so they can save time by skipping everything else you've written and everything else you will write from now on.

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June 08, 2015, 06:45:54 AM
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I hope that people reading this thread do not skip this comment, so they can save time by skipping everything else you've written and everything else you will write from now on.

That assumption does not follow from any other theoretical point you had in mind. With that proclamation your are conflicting with your stated conceptualization of chaos theory.

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June 08, 2015, 06:55:58 AM
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I also thought astrology was bullshit. But as hard as I tried, I was proven wrong in my experience (now that isn't a double-blind survey but relativity can't be i.e. your experience may be different).


I'm not surprised at all. People (such as myself) who are drawn toconflate "conspiracy theories" with data correlation tend to be suspicious about everything except the most obvious fraudsassume that everything that can't be falsified within their (our) data set is a fraud (and should be ignored thus further limiting their <our> available armchair dataset in a self-reinforcing myopia).

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June 08, 2015, 07:04:59 AM
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and you know what?  from the beginning, even before we found out about the large Chinese miners, i said this is a highly dubious attack that any such large miner should want to perform.  large blocks do not change the fact that miners will want first and foremost the block reward and should only continue to form the smallest, most efficiently propagating blocks they can so as not to be orphaned.  an attacker still risks losing their entire hardware investment by destroying the system in which they participate.  i've contended that the blonde in the Governing Dynamics video from John Nash is equivalent to either the the selfish or 51% miner attack.  they won't do it b/c all miners want to get laid.

Nash equilibrium doesn't apply in a system with out-of-band incentives.

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June 08, 2015, 07:06:33 AM
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notice how none of the Blockstream devs come in to the thread on Reddit, where we know they hang out, to challenge me on this

Perhaps because unlike stupid me, they don't waste their scarce time on n00bs who will bury relevant discussion in useless noise.

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June 08, 2015, 07:12:30 AM
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Central bank vs central authority in this context is a distinction without a difference.

Another point that follows from the key word "central" is that Visa doesn't have a monopoly on payment (although arguably close to one as we move digital and away from cash). Disrupting a central authority is not the same as competing against Visa.

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June 08, 2015, 07:13:58 AM
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Ah, astrology, one of my favorite tools to reflect with, and one of man's most ancient studies (along with alchemy and magick).

One should realize that astrology is not relegated to just the sign that the sun was in the moment you were born.

I could go into astrology's process of determining the relationship between space and time but more tangibly, there is a burgeoning branch of knowledge exploring a field termed epigenetics. Depending on certain environmental influences, the expression of our genetic code also changes. In Dr. Bruce Lipton's Biology of Belief, he posits that our beliefs can have an influence upon gene expression. The whole point of astrology reading in general is to make us aware of the traits inherent in every man and how we come to develop those traits. When we become aware of ourselves and ourselves to others, we develop more of which we are aware in ourselves and between others.  

In the Human Design school of thought, one of my traits is from the Incarnation Cross "freak-to-genius" channel, and so, here I am.
"...born on The Right Angle Cross of Explanation 3: Your job is to explain revolutionary and principled solutions; untested Individual knowing necessitates clarifying and repeating insights which have been filtered through logic’s formulas. (Gates 4-49-23-43)"

Edit: There is also theory re: neutrinos from stars. As they are small enough that they can pass through matter, yet still have effects upon what they pass through, it is posited that they carry influence that can also effect gene expression. This is a bit of a headier topic but astrology helps maps the timing of such influence.

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June 08, 2015, 07:16:36 AM
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When we become aware of ourselves and ourselves to others, we develop more of which we are aware in ourselves and between others.

So true. As I have become more aware of my attributes, it has enabled me to be more attuned to which relationships work smoothly for me and why.

Even if astrology is just a thought process, it is worthwhile if it is worthwhile to the person applying (your mileage may vary). And my point is that life is a relative process with no permanent, global theories. Entropy wouldn't allow it. Life couldn't exist if there were permanent theories (change would be predetermined).

The laws of entropy might be permanent and fundamental because in them change is inexorable and relativity is never absolute.

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June 08, 2015, 07:25:28 AM
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Here's a great example, in which Frap.doc doesn't even bother trying to substantiate his wacky, vaguely senile assertion that the bank bailouts Satoshi singularly cited in Genesis had something to do with Visa/Paypal:


The Genesis Block mentions bailouts for TBTF banks.  It does not mention Visa or Paypal.

"banks" were used as a broad term to encompass Visa/Paypal

Satoshi actually used the term "financial institution" in the white paper.  He focusses heavily on the transactional aspects of Bitcoin (e.g., the Visa/Paypal angle):

Quote from: Satoshi Nakamoto (Section 1, white paper)
Commerce on the Internet has come to rely almost exclusively on financial institutions serving as trusted third parties to process electronic payments. While the system works well enough for most transactions, it still suffers from the inherent weaknesses of the trust based model. Completely non-reversible transactions are not really possible, since financial institutions cannot avoid mediating disputes. The cost of mediation increases transaction costs, limiting the minimum practical transaction size and cutting off the possibility for small casual transactions, and there is a broader cost in the loss of ability to make non-reversible payments for non-reversible services.

There's actually no mention of central banks in the white paper whatsoever (although he does use the term "central authority" twice).  The only mention of gold is in Section 6:

Quote from: Satoshi Nakamoto (Section 6, white paper)
The steady addition of a constant of amount of new coins is analogous to gold miners expending resources to add gold to circulation.


TL/DR: The white paper focusses more heavily on the transactional aspects of bitcoin than on its potential as a replacement for fiat currency/gold.  

The only technological issue Satoshi solved was a form of consensus that can't scale decentralized. So while he might wish some related decentralized crypto technology can compete with the centralized financial institutions, fact is he didn't create such a technology.

Thus I must conclude he planted a Trojan on Bitcoin itself as I explained a few posts back.

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June 08, 2015, 07:31:57 AM
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The ad hominem slights and MP style roastings seem to be counter productive, though they are fun.

Because this isn't technological disruption. It is politics. And you wonder why I would never put my name on any altcoin.

Note the distinction between Bitcoin and cell phone adoption.

And that is why I call nonsense MP's claim that Bitcoin is the only possible entrant. The competition over what is money is inexorable. And Bitcoin doesn't have the attributes to take over virally (i.e. decentralized).

Bitcoin stopped growing decentralized about when it peaked at $1000, which was the entire point of my thread on that issue. The next ramp is the centralized ramp out to the masses.

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June 08, 2015, 07:38:23 AM
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i'm quite sympathetic to the concept of making Bitcoin digital gold.  that's why this thread was born.

however, what the 1MB apparatchiks are missing is that Bitcoin really does represent the "ideal money".  and that includes it being used widely in a manner that gold was never able to achieve.  and that means, widespread worldwide adoption that crosses borders and gets into the hands of individuals.  for it to be considered digital gold, however,  i already talked about how that requires cheap reliable dependable tx confirmations.  that is b/c Bitcoin is digital; it can't be held, weighed, shaped, coveted, etc.  all the normal tangible aspects that poor ppl covet or expect from physical gold.  

I agree.  I also like your example of the African kid who has to witness--with his own eyes--Bitcoin getting him the things he wants, before he'll ever be able to fathom that those digits on his phone are more valuable than the paper notes his father uses to purchase food from the market, or the little diamonds he once saw a man killed for.

We're not as smart as we think.  We need to see, touch, and experience something before we can really understand that thing.  You can't learn to ski by reading online tutorials--no matter how well you think you grok body mechanics and the laws of physics.  Similarly, the world will only understand (and come to appreciate) bitcoin by getting out there and using it.    

The centralized financial institutions will be providing that scalability for you. It won't scale to micropayments and it won't be decentralized. Political fascist result. Enjoy.

All this ideological delusion is pitiful. Does anyone have a grip on reality? Please speak up.

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June 08, 2015, 07:42:47 AM
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b/c i just debunked the main spam attack the Blockstream devs have been scaring everyone with

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I am seriously thinking (for my efficiency) you need to go on my ignore. I have no one on ignore. This would be quite an accomplishment, because I usually think all information (even noise) has some value.

Again you are missing the point. It isn't who are the largest miners today with 1 MB blocks, it is who would be the largest or only miners and node operators with 20 MB blocks.

Yup again and again and again...

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June 08, 2015, 07:45:19 AM
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and not getting caught?

Don't assume she won't be caught in 2018 or so.

TPTB are letting everyone incriminate themselves first, so then we move into the totalitarian smashup/takedown.

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June 08, 2015, 07:51:26 AM
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That comment is at best unclear except for the content-free insults, and at worst incoherent and rambling in the frothy manner of a crank like Anonymint.

Ain't it nice that you admit you can't comprehend. At least you didn't dishonestly accuse me of being context-free and you admitted you just can't wrap your mind about my logic. There are numerous possible reasons for this effect.

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June 08, 2015, 07:53:25 AM
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MPEX may have invented the GavinCoin Short, but it will be far from the only exchange using it to nuke the Gavinstas' trollfork from space.

The same WMD can be used against Core too. This could be mutual annihilation (reverse wealth effect, which is levered) as you have mentioned. Or one fork could gain momentum and avalanche effect.

Again I would sell BTC for XMR or dollars immediately. I own no XMR and I keep a small amount of BTC because I can't spend XMR easily (or at least hasn't been worth it for me to figure out how).

I do intend to hold most of my wealth in crypto-coin in the near future. XMR will part of my holdings. BTC probably not.

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June 08, 2015, 08:07:10 AM
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That comment is at best unclear except for the content-free insults, and at worst incoherent and rambling in the frothy manner of a crank like Anonymint.

Ain't it nice that you admit you can't comprehend. At least you didn't dishonestly accuse me of being context-free and you admitted you just can't wrap your mind about my logic. There are numerous possible reasons for this effect.


wow, such cockfight.



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ps: hopefully bitcoin wont wage those egos all around. good thing is technology does not care about feelings.
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