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June 07, 2015, 06:00:28 PM
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could it be that we are actually talking to Martin Armstrong himself?  maybe that would explain the blind allegiance.
here is an interesting compilation of his prison writings.  and this was the very first one i pulled up!  whats the chances of them both being blind in one eye?  from an eye doctor:

https://www.scribd.com/kzuur58:

Have you ever heard the saying, "in lak'ech ala k'in"?

given that you willingly interjected yourself into the conversation to provoke me, then fully doxxed me, then lied about not having a multi-6-figure ongoing claim against HF, do you really think you have the moral high ground to wax philosophical?

"Now look what you made me do." Roll Eyes

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June 07, 2015, 06:25:06 PM
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Love Song to a Stranger

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June 07, 2015, 06:41:14 PM
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sheesh, i know the feeling:

According to lawyers who worked on the case in the early days, the financier’s headstrong manner irritated Judge Owen almost immediately."[10] On August 17, 2006, he pleaded guilty to one count of conspiracy to commit securities fraud, commodities fraud and wire fraud.[2][11]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_A._Armstrong
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June 07, 2015, 06:44:54 PM
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if you believe in the concept of forum plants, then TPTB_need_war fits the bill to a tee.

i don't know about Shelby Moore but i still think his acct could be mulitply owned and used to troll me down.  the sleep charts i put up yesterday still hold.  read about how their goal is to insert, befriend, divide and cause turmoil and division.  this thread used to be a relatively peaceful place other than the occasional food fight i'd have with tvbcof.  now look what it's become since TPTB_need_war showed up.  as JR says, a trainwreck.  he spams multiple pages on end and is willing to say anything at all.

it all fits and if i have to be the sacrificial lamb to prove it, so be it.  that is his intention after all; to discredit at all costs those who support the community the most.
Trolled so hard I have to I can't help myself LOL, you don't always go on holiday with the best people cypher.

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June 07, 2015, 06:47:24 PM
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hmmm, there's that $10000 number again:

Armstrong didn’t tell anyone about pi. He kept it a secret for twelve years, and he continued to sell his services as a consultant at up to ten thousand dollars an hour.

http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2009/10/12/the-secret-cycle
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June 07, 2015, 07:01:12 PM
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Shelby sure does love Armstrong.  anyone ever heard of pen names?:

I don't know if anyone else has commented already, that Martin Armstrong's "It Is Just Time" prediction made back in October 2008, for a major turn event on March 19, nailed the exact day (after) the Fed announced to start buying government bonds directly.

He had also predicted ahead of time the turn that coincided with the peak in the precious metals prices last March 2008.

Google "Martin Armstrong", for the remarkable story about how accurate his computer model predictions have been, and him being in the maximum security prison without a trial, together with the Shoe Bomber and the Unibomber, alledgedly because of his unwillingness to share his model with the CIA.


http://www.silverbearcafe.com/private/03.09/justtime.html

and why is Shelby playing around so much with silver and gold when he is supposed to be coding?
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June 07, 2015, 07:19:01 PM
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i know everyone has better things to do but if you have time, you should read those prison writings from Armstrong.  to me, and i could be imagining things, they sound alot like TPTB.  i honestly don't know what to think; all i know is something feels quite fishy:

http://www.scribd.com/doc/29561727/From-the-Hole-8

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June 07, 2015, 07:35:04 PM
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Armstrong doesn't like Bitcoin:

We are headed into an electronic currency regardless of what people say. Bitcoin will not survive, but it is useful to get people accustomed to a cashless society. The difference will be that the government version will be no “anonymity”  and what it being touted as a benefit is the elimination of crime – drug dealers will be eradicated (plus the government will get 100% of all its taxes).

The precious metals are NOT going to be a hedge against the dollar, hyperinflation, or any of the other nonsense the gold promoters have spun to sell whatever they can like snake oil salesmen. The role of the metals will be as an alternative currency to ELECTRONIC when they terminate “printing” paper money. Wake up and stop listening to propaganda. Open your eyes and look at the real world. It is closing in a hell of a lot faster than people suspect.


http://armstrongeconomics.com/archives/15830
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June 07, 2015, 07:40:01 PM
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from today.  TPTB and Armstrong think in lockstep about Summers:

We are simply drowning with people in charge who have no real world experience. According to the former US Treasury Secretary and Harvard economist Larry Summers “the world suffers from a savings surplus and therefore threatens to fall into a secular stagnation.” He looks at the world through fogged glasses – not even a rose colored pair. He claims that now for decades to come we will have to adjust accordingly to slower economic growth and increasing economic and social problems. The reason for this is that in some countries such as China and Germany, people saved too much, rather than consume or to invest. Therefore, they exported their savings abroad and thus led to an oversupply of savings, for there is no sufficient demand. Summers’ solution –  the cash-free economy.

http://armstrongeconomics.com/armstrong_economics_blog
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June 07, 2015, 07:40:13 PM
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There is A Light That Never Goes out

Feels Like Heaven

This Charming Man

Why Don't You Find Out For Yourself

What Difference Does It Make?

That's How People Grow Up

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June 07, 2015, 07:40:31 PM
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Game over, Frap.doc.


FYI, Nick Szabo retweeted (and added to his favorites):
https://twitter.com/oleganza/status/605117508971053057
"@oleganza: If Bitcoin was ever competing with Paypal or Visa, it would not even start. It competes with gold and central banks."


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The difference between bad and well-developed digital cash will determine whether we have a dictatorship or a real democracy.  David Chaum 1996
Fungibility provides privacy as a side effect.  Adam Back 2014
"Monero" : { Private - Auditable - 100% Fungible - Flexible Blocksize - Wild & Free® - Intro - Wallets - Podcats - Roadmap - Dice - Blackjack - Github - Android }


Bitcoin is intentionally designed to be ungovernable and governance-free.  luke-jr 2016
Blocks must necessarily be full for the Bitcoin network to be able to pay for its own security.  davout 2015
Blocksize is an intentionally limited resource, like the 21e6 BTC limit.  Changing it degrades the surrounding economics, creating negative incentives.  Jeff Garzik 2013


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I'm not against people making money, but can't support questionable origins."
https://twitter.com/Tone_LLT/status/717822927908024320


The raison d'être of bitcoin is trustlessness. - Eric Lombrozo 2015
It is an Engineering Requirement that Bitcoin be “Above the Law”  Paul Sztorc 2015
Resiliency, not efficiency, is the paramount goal of decentralized, non-state sanctioned currency -Jon Matonis 2015

Bitcoin is intentionally designed to be ungovernable and governance-free.  luke-jr 2016

Technology tends to move in the direction of making surveillance easier, and the ability of computers to track us doubles every eighteen months. - Phil Zimmerman 2013

The only way to make software secure, reliable, and fast is to make it small. Fight Features. - Andy Tanenbaum 2004

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June 07, 2015, 07:43:15 PM
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who does this sound like?:

We are headed into an electronic currency regardless of what people say. Bitcoin will not survive, but it is useful to get people accustomed to a cashless society. The difference will be that the government version will be no ”anonymity”  and what it being touted as a benefit is the elimination of crime – drug dealers will be eradicated (plus the government will get 100% of all its taxes).

http://www.silverdoctors.com/martin-armstrong-bitcoin-electronic-money-the-precious-metals/

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June 07, 2015, 07:43:35 PM
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if you believe in the concept of forum plants, then TPTB_need_war fits the bill to a tee.

i don't know about Shelby Moore but i still think his acct could be mulitply owned and used to troll me down.  the sleep charts i put up yesterday still hold.

The sleep chart is somewhat interesting but you ignore the possibility that his sleep schedule shifts over time, something not uncommon among people who aren't tied to the clock by a 9-5 job or the like, especially those with insomnia.

To show that the person/people operating the account aren't sleeping you would have to analyze 24 hour windows and see how many of those don't have a sleep break, not just look at averages over several months.

TPTB, you mentioned arguing with me along with rpeitila in your comments about BTC price calls but I doubt that is correct. I rarely make those sort of predictions, and I don't remember doing so, although it is possible I suppose.

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June 07, 2015, 07:45:49 PM
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who also says gold won't save us?:

This is all about the Sovereign Debt Crisis, the collapse in socialism, and the driving deflationary trend as government clamps down on everything that moves. The precious metals are NOT going to be a hedge against the dollar, hyperinflation, or any of the other nonsense the gold promoters have spun to sell whatever they can like snake oil salesmen. The role of the metals will be as an alternative currency to ELECTRONIC when they terminate “printing” paper money. Wake up and stop listening to propaganda. Open your eyes and look at the real world. It is closing in a hell of a lot faster than people suspect.


http://www.silverdoctors.com/martin-armstrong-bitcoin-electronic-money-the-precious-metals/
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June 07, 2015, 07:52:13 PM
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Armstrong on Bitcoin:

http://forums.silverstackers.com/topic-47472-martin-armstrong-on-bitcoin.html

On Monday, Congress held its first congressional hearing on virtual currencies focusing on bitcoin. As Congress discussed bitcoin, the price of one bitcoin soared to more than $750 apiece. Overlooked was the concern focused on anonymity and lack of regulation.
Personally, it is hard to imagine a world where they will allow bitcoin to survive when they are doing everything in their power to hunt down money. Canada is already looking at taxing it and the concerns expressed by Congress clearly place this within the legal definition of what they call money laundering. What once was real washing of illegal money for legal use like the mob buying old 1930s roadside motels and pretending they were fully booked every night to get illegal cash into the system, is now applied to even storing gold or cash in a safe deposit box. Having an account outside the USA is money laundering hiding untaxed money from the government. So bitcoin can fit into that category and what federal judge would rule against the government? NONE!
The downside of such schemes the government interprets as money laundering is they can wipe you out besides 25 year jail terms. There was the old tax-straddle of the '70s where you sold December gold in a rising market and bought Feb gold. You could then move money from one year to the next to avoid taxes. When the IRS figured out the play, that gave birth to mark-to-market accounting and then they retroactively applied penalties, taxes, and interest. Brokers got sued over that and these trades, which were in the courts for years.


The IRS can claim you made a profit now just like stocks on a bitcoin. They can demand retroactive taxes and penalties. When you dance with the Devil, keep in mind he can say anything and do anything. If 25% of the population used bitcoin, you can imagine the loss in taxes and the chase would be off like a good old fashion English fox hunt.
There is no alternative to the dollar. They can change the rules at anytime and hiding money to them is now money laundering so they can take that position and confiscate the whole thing. We have to reform the system. These people will never go quietly into the night.


Do not get all excited that bitcoin will replace the dollar. Sorry, they are exploring the idea and allowing it to get press for one single reason – they intend to go to an electronic "virtual" currency so they get 100% of all taxes. In 1934, they printed $10,000 notes when a Cadillac was $600. Today, $100 is the biggest bill. The next phase is no bills. The euro tried to displace the dollar issuing €500 denomination notes. In Britain, they have made them illegal – it is all about taxes. The virtual dollar is coming. I would say after 2015.75 when the Fed has zero power and they will go electronic. So for now, bitcoin serves a purpose to get people use to the idea of a cashless society.
If they cannot tax it...they WILL NOT use it!
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June 07, 2015, 08:04:56 PM
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could it be that we are actually talking to Martin Armstrong himself?  maybe that would explain the blind allegiance.
here is an interesting compilation of his prison writings.  and this was the very first one i pulled up!  whats the chances of them both being blind in one eye?  from an eye doctor:

https://www.scribd.com/kzuur58:

Have you ever heard the saying, "in lak'ech ala k'in"?

given that you willingly interjected yourself into the conversation to provoke me, then fully doxxed me, then lied about not having a multi-6-figure ongoing claim against HF, do you really think you have the moral high ground to wax philosophical?

Let's see. You talked him into ordering mining hardware? Then you profited 3000 BTC on 10% cut. Hardware was never delivered. Now he wants restitution.

Oh yeah you can't comment about the case. Sorry life is so unfair, right? (except when it happens to you).


(Vokain has told me nothing about the case that isn't publicly displayed  in this thread)

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June 07, 2015, 08:09:44 PM
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TPTB, you mentioned arguing with me along with rpeitila in your comments about BTC price calls but I doubt that is correct. I rarely make those sort of predictions, and I don't remember doing so, although it is possible I suppose.

I had already corrected the word "fight" to "disagree" (as well added "and others") because on further reflection my interaction with you on price is vague in my memory. You were commenting around the same posts where I was disagreeing on price and you were defending Monero, but I think you did not get specific about price direction.

I don't wish to disparage my friend rpietila. My hope is his experienced speculator acumen isn't clouded again by heapings of idolization (it happens to all of us I suppose)

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June 07, 2015, 08:17:59 PM
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One World Currency and NWO:

http://www.scribd.com/doc/15095650/One-World-Currency-5-09

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June 07, 2015, 08:20:07 PM
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Yeah, so we can either choose the one with the identifying "Number of the Beast" barcodes or the one without.

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June 07, 2015, 08:20:40 PM
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go back and look at TPTB's posts since registering.  they are filled with Armstrong references.  does anyone see a problem with that?

i do; it's called lack of diversification.  who worships just one guy all the time?  no astute investor.  that alone is cause for suspicion.
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