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June 07, 2015, 08:55:54 PM
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Game over, Frap.doc.


FYI, Nick Szabo retweeted (and added to his favorites):
https://twitter.com/oleganza/status/605117508971053057
"@oleganza: If Bitcoin was ever competing with Paypal or Visa, it would not even start. It competes with gold and central banks."


Thus Saith The LORD.  Amen!

MP et all can force their will only until Blockstream's pegged side chains arrive. Then afaics his GavinCoin short is rendered impotent since GavinCoin can be forked as a pegged side chain. What say he this?

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June 07, 2015, 09:01:48 PM
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Don't believe him, just watch Smiley
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P-WdrMLLpPg

Or Bustin' Jieber.

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June 07, 2015, 09:03:14 PM
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if you believe in the concept of forum plants, then TPTB_need_war fits the bill to a tee.

i don't know about Shelby Moore but i still think his acct could be mulitply owned and used to troll me down.  the sleep charts i put up yesterday still hold.

The sleep chart is somewhat interesting but you ignore the possibility that his sleep schedule shifts over time, something not uncommon among people who aren't tied to the clock by a 9-5 job or the like, especially those with insomnia.

To show that the person/people operating the account aren't sleeping you would have to analyze 24 hour windows and see how many of those don't have a sleep break, not just look at averages over several months.

TPTB, you mentioned arguing with me along with rpeitila in your comments about BTC price calls but I doubt that is correct. I rarely make those sort of predictions, and I don't remember doing so, although it is possible I suppose.



after going thru many of Armstrongs writings from this link: https://www.scribd.com/kzuur58  
the writing styles are alike, imo, and his incessant, continual writings while in prison and even while in a hole seem to me to match that of TPTB and could acct for the lack of a typical sleep rhythm.  the constant whining about his own health, comments  from other ppl, and the historical references seem very similar.  their equivalent outlook on Bitcoin and the NWO and one world currency views are identical.

one thing that could obscure the typical slope of the sleep cycles of the top 10 posters is their large #'s compared to Anonymint and TPTB.  our larger #'s accentuate our waking bars while the rare middle of the night posts fail to increment in step thus deepening the troughs of our sleep cycles thus making them more visible.  that's enough of an explanation to make me abandon it in favor of TPTB being Armstrong.
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June 07, 2015, 09:07:23 PM
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...I don't buy his "computer model" explanation though. Wink

You probably lack appropriate domain knowledge to form an accurate assessment?

Have you not reviewed his record of correct predictions? It is essentially flawless since the 1980s if you understand his predictions are conditional and price and time are separate predictions.

You are most possibly right. I probably lack of the appropriate knowledge; nevertheless I have (as stated) said that he "passed one test", which (clarifying further for those who misunderstood) that his "model" is proven to be working. What I'm not sure about is that it's based on a computer model ie: a relational database mining s/w that includes every single economic data out there, that is able through calculations to extract an accurate prediction within a chaotic model.

To put it into perspective, as a theoretical physicist, I rest assure you that such a model is defined as "unpredictable". If you know more on the matter, I'd be honoured if you satiated my curiosity and obliterate my ignorance. I can certify that I'm more than capable to understand (even though it will take some more time than most geniuses in here) subjects from IT to QM (nevertheless, I stopped a while ago, being productive on the 1st one). Thanks in advance for your help.

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June 07, 2015, 09:19:48 PM
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Ah,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hWnAqFyaQ5s

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June 07, 2015, 09:21:05 PM
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that's enough of an explanation to make me abandon it in favor of TPTB being Armstrong.

Now you are being delusional. vokain or anonymint must have said something that put your logic to rest.

But you can check yourself that Armstrong was at certain times (schedule is public) in Europe where he was on promo tour for his movie. He had speeches and Q&A sessions in universities and cinemas.


























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June 07, 2015, 09:23:15 PM
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who does this sound like?:

We are headed into an electronic currency regardless of what people say. Bitcoin will not survive, but it is useful to get people accustomed to a cashless society. The difference will be that the government version will be no ”anonymity”  and what it being touted as a benefit is the elimination of crime – drug dealers will be eradicated (plus the government will get 100% of all its taxes).

http://www.silverdoctors.com/martin-armstrong-bitcoin-electronic-money-the-precious-metals/

Reality (aka "I") rained on your Sunny Day.

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June 07, 2015, 09:23:43 PM
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that's enough of an explanation to make me abandon it in favor of TPTB being Armstrong.

Now you are being delusional. vokain or anonymint must have said something that put your logic to rest.

But you can check yourself that Armstrong was at certain times (schedule is public) in Europe where he was on promo tour for his movie. He had speeches and Q&A sessions.



certainly possible.  this is the spec forum after all.

but then he sure isn't smart putting so much faith in one guy.
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June 07, 2015, 09:26:39 PM
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Game over, Frap.doc.


FYI, Nick Szabo retweeted (and added to his favorites):
https://twitter.com/oleganza/status/605117508971053057
"@oleganza: If Bitcoin was ever competing with Paypal or Visa, it would not even start. It competes with gold and central banks."


Thus Saith The LORD.  Amen!

of course not.  as long as you continue to constrain it to 1MB.
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June 07, 2015, 09:28:25 PM
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Higher Ground

(I had that one in reserve Wink ... since 1973)

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June 07, 2015, 09:34:47 PM
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of course not.  as long as you continue to constrain it to 1MB.

Apparently you missed the technical point. I believe start was referring to "won't run".

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June 07, 2015, 09:35:44 PM
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of course not.  as long as you continue to constrain it to 1MB.

You missed the technical point. Start was referring to "won't run".

i'm pretty sure he meant "start competing".
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June 07, 2015, 09:36:31 PM
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of course not.  as long as you continue to constrain it to 1MB.

You missed the technical point. Start was referring to "won't run".

i'm pretty sure he meant "start competing".

Because you aren't a programmer. Szabo is.

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June 07, 2015, 09:38:12 PM
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but then he sure isn't smart putting so much faith in one guy.

There isn't one guy embodied in a $1 billion database. You seem to lack the ability to comprehend how many people would be employed to spend that on data collection.

Your "double-blind survey" is contained within the history of repeating order backtested and cross-correlated by a supercomputer searching for all repeating patterns.

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June 07, 2015, 09:42:23 PM
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...I don't buy his "computer model" explanation though. Wink

You probably lack appropriate domain knowledge to form an accurate assessment?

Have you not reviewed his record of correct predictions? It is essentially flawless since the 1980s if you understand his predictions are conditional and price and time are separate predictions.

You are most possibly right. I probably lack of the appropriate knowledge; nevertheless I have (as stated) said that he "passed one test", which (clarifying further for those who misunderstood) that his "model" is proven to be working. What I'm not sure about is that it's based on a computer model ie: a relational database mining s/w that includes every single economic data out there, that is able through calculations to extract an accurate prediction within a chaotic model.

To put it into perspective, as a theoretical physicist, I rest assure you that such a model is defined as "unpredictable". If you know more on the matter, I'd be honoured if you satiated my curiosity and obliterate my ignorance. I can certify that I'm more than capable to understand (even though it will take some more time than most geniuses in here) subjects from IT to QM (nevertheless, I stopped a while ago, being productive on the 1st one). Thanks in advance for your help.

I will come back to this after some sleep.

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June 07, 2015, 09:42:35 PM
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of course not.  as long as you continue to constrain it to 1MB.

You missed the technical point. Start was referring to "won't run".

i'm pretty sure he meant "start competing".

Because you aren't a programmer. Szabo is.

first off, Szabo didn't tweet that.  Oleganza did.  the word "start" is juxtaposed btwn 2 forms of the word "compete".  it means "start competing". 

second, even a non-programmer such as myself realizes that Oleganza would never claim Bitcoin won't even "start running".  it IS running currently.  he would have said something like it can't "scale".
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June 07, 2015, 09:45:04 PM
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from today.  TPTB and Armstrong think in lockstep about Summers:

We are simply drowning with people in charge who have no real world experience. According to the former US Treasury Secretary and Harvard economist Larry Summers “the world suffers from a savings surplus and therefore threatens to fall into a secular stagnation.” He looks at the world through fogged glasses – not even a rose colored pair. He claims that now for decades to come we will have to adjust accordingly to slower economic growth and increasing economic and social problems. The reason for this is that in some countries such as China and Germany, people saved too much, rather than consume or to invest. Therefore, they exported their savings abroad and thus led to an oversupply of savings, for there is no sufficient demand. Summers’ solution –  the cash-free economy.

http://armstrongeconomics.com/armstrong_economics_blog

He won't publish my "21 Inc" revelation. I emailed him 3 times.

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June 07, 2015, 09:50:34 PM
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Besides, pwuille, nullc, lukejr, and petertodd don't need my help bending you over and administering corrective spankings.  They're already doing a great job of that.

They make the same points I made in this thread. Why? Because we are all expert programmers and understand the myriad of (often interlocking and conflicting) details that eye doctors and junior programmers don't.

Btw those linked points by core devs make  the case for the need for a scalable design for crypto-currency.

everyone should read those 3 links.  i have the most upvotes of the community; votes which include those of programmers and those who disagree with me as it is a net difference.

i used to be intimidated engaging those with a programming background.  somehow i thought that anything they said would be backed up by some computer simulation or research data i didn't have access to.  or some basic computer knowledge that i had not been trained in.  after all, in my profession before anyone dares spout any claims there has to be a double blinded comprehensive treatment control study done over a prolonged period of time that needs to prove statistical significance that one has done or can point to have been done.

i've learned, most disappointedly, that this is not the case for most coders and programmers.  what they claim or tout to be fact is simply a logic test.  armchair logic.  like the Peter Todd's of the world and TPTB_need_war.  they don't do any testing or simulations of any kind.  they think that their logic is somehow superior to non coders.  and they think simply by applying logic they can understand how Bitcoin will perform.  well, they have mostly all been wrong.  very few of them saw it.  and not TPTB_need_war.  he needs to explain how someone like me, a non coder, figured this out before he did.  granted, i am pretty good with computers and even better now since 2011.  but i will tell you, it was mostly my knowledge around economics, trading, and game theory which allowed me to figure out that Bitcoin had so much promise.  but what is clear from TPTB's comments is that he totally rejects that.  that is called arrogance or hubris.  or more likely obfuscation from a plant.  please re-read how bizarre his posts truly are.  it's baffling.  

Disrespecting programmers isn't going to gain our admiration. Programming is all about logic.

No we don't think we can only apply logic to know how Bitcoin will perform without having real world test data to include in our logic. Did you entirely miss Gregory's points on this matter  Huh

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June 07, 2015, 09:58:06 PM
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of course not.  as long as you continue to constrain it to 1MB.

You missed the technical point. Start was referring to "won't run".

i'm pretty sure he meant "start competing".

Because you aren't a programmer. Szabo is.

first off, Szabo didn't tweet that.  Oleganza did.  the word "start" is juxtaposed btwn 2 forms of the word "compete".  it means "start competing".  

second, even a non-programmer such as myself realizes that Oleganza would never claim Bitcoin won't even "start running".  it IS running currently.  he would have said something like it can't "scale".

Oleg is a programmer too. Szabo retweeted it thus presumably agreeing with it.

At Visa scale it would not run decentralized any more. Meaning it would not run on their home computers any more.

I know what he meant because I think as a programmer does.

Programmers are precise and mean what they say. A period mean end this statement.

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June 07, 2015, 09:59:20 PM
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of course not.  as long as you continue to constrain it to 1MB.

You missed the technical point. Start was referring to "won't run".

i'm pretty sure he meant "start competing".

Because you aren't a programmer. Szabo is.

first off, Szabo didn't tweet that.  Oleganza did.  the word "start" is juxtaposed btwn 2 forms of the word "compete".  it means "start competing".  

second, even a non-programmer such as myself realizes that Oleganza would never claim Bitcoin won't even "start running".  it IS running currently.  he would have said something like it can't "scale".

Oleg is a programmer too. Szabo retweeted it thus presumably agreeing with it.

At Visa scale it would not run decentralized any more. Meaning it would not run on their home computers any more.

I know what he meant because I think as a programmer does.

but i don't think you are a programmer.  i think you're Armstrong.
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