Why do islam hates people?

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P.S. Many Muslims including me are against ISIS. I don't like what they are doing and essentially creating a new religion for their political benefits and pushing all Muslims into danger and forcing all Muslims and non-Muslims to be a victim of the danger. ISIS has killed number of Muslims too but still what they are claiming is being represented than what the reality is.

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Sorry? They don't create any new religion. Look their flag, what does the first text say? La ilaha illallah! The second text is Allah, Rasul, and Muhammad. Their god is Allah, and their prophet is Muhammad SAW. Is that a new religion?

They ain't following Islam. Islam tells not to even tease other religions or people, they are doing much worse than that. Islam tells not to compell others to become Muslims, they are doing it. They just claim they are Muslims but not follow Islam. How they are Muslims if they don't follow Islam?

Unfortunately the fanatics have taken Islam away from you. They have changed it to their liking. They are now firmly in charge of it.

If you want it back you'll have to fight for it.

The inconvenient truth.

[J. J. Phillips]

The first fanatical Muslim? Muhammed.

[Muhammed Zakir]

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P.S. Many Muslims including me are against ISIS. I don't like what they are doing and essentially creating a new religion for their political benefits and pushing all Muslims into danger and forcing all Muslims and non-Muslims to be a victim of the danger. ISIS has killed number of Muslims too but still what they are claiming is being represented than what the reality is.

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Sorry? They don't create any new religion. Look their flag, what does the first text say? La ilaha illallah! The second text is Allah, Rasul, and Muhammad. Their god is Allah, and their prophet is Muhammad SAW. Is that a new religion?

They ain't following Islam. Islam tells not to even tease other religions or people, they are doing much worse than that. Islam tells not to compell others to become Muslims, they are doing it. They just claim they are Muslims but not follow Islam. How they are Muslims if they don't follow Islam?

Unfortunately the fanatics have taken Islam away from you. They have changed it to their liking. They are now firmly in charge of it.

If you want it back you'll have to fight for it.

The inconvenient truth.

It might be inconvenient but it is truth. Anyway, what can we, unarmed people, do anything to well-funded armed people? It probably will be another news for media which they twists to Islamic violence. I am fairly certain those lunatic ISIS people will be defeated sooner or later.

The first fanatical Muslim? Muhammed.

I am not a fanatic and they are many Muslims who are against those lunatics. By the way, I prefer Zakir when referring me.

[dsyahputera]

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P.S. Many Muslims including me are against ISIS. I don't like what they are doing and essentially creating a new religion for their political benefits and pushing all Muslims into danger and forcing all Muslims and non-Muslims to be a victim of the danger. ISIS has killed number of Muslims too but still what they are claiming is being represented than what the reality is.

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Sorry? They don't create any new religion. Look their flag, what does the first text say? La ilaha illallah! The second text is Allah, Rasul, and Muhammad. Their god is Allah, and their prophet is Muhammad SAW. Is that a new religion?

They ain't following Islam. Islam tells not to even tease other religions or people, they are doing much worse than that. Islam tells not to compell others to become Muslims, they are doing it. They just claim they are Muslims but not follow Islam. How they are Muslims if they don't follow Islam?

They ain't following Islam? In surah al-Maidah, ayah 38-39, tells to cut off thieves hand, IS do that.

[J. J. Phillips]

The first fanatical Muslim? Muhammed.

I am not a fanatic and they are many Muslims who are against those lunatics. By the way, I prefer Zakir when referring me.

Hi Zakir. I wasn't referring to you. I was referring to an illiterate violent delusional paedophile from the 7th century. Sorry for the confusion.

[dsyahputera]

The first fanatical Muslim? Muhammed.

I am not a fanatic and they are many Muslims who are against those lunatics. By the way, I prefer Zakir when referring me.

Hi Zakir. I wasn't referring to you. I was referring to an illiterate violent delusional paedophile from the 7th century. Sorry for the confusion.

Did you referring our prophet?

[Prosperityforall]

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P.S. Many Muslims including me are against ISIS. I don't like what they are doing and essentially creating a new religion for their political benefits and pushing all Muslims into danger and forcing all Muslims and non-Muslims to be a victim of the danger. ISIS has killed number of Muslims too but still what they are claiming is being represented than what the reality is.

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Sorry? They don't create any new religion. Look their flag, what does the first text say? La ilaha illallah! The second text is Allah, Rasul, and Muhammad. Their god is Allah, and their prophet is Muhammad SAW. Is that a new religion?

They ain't following Islam. Islam tells not to even tease other religions or people, they are doing much worse than that. Islam tells not to compell others to become Muslims, they are doing it. They just claim they are Muslims but not follow Islam. How they are Muslims if they don't follow Islam?

They ain't following Islam? In surah al-Maidah, ayah 38-39, tells to cut off thieves hand, IS do that.

Zakir is wrong. In the Koran it is explicitly stated that you can use violence against non-muslims as well as violence against those that do supposed "wrongs". ISIS is following the Koran, the core problem isn't the people, it's the Koran itself. The Koran, Bible, Torah, are all the same, and all promote violence and death.

[J. J. Phillips]

The first fanatical Muslim? Muhammed.

I am not a fanatic and they are many Muslims who are against those lunatics. By the way, I prefer Zakir when referring me.

Hi Zakir. I wasn't referring to you. I was referring to an illiterate violent delusional paedophile from the 7th century. Sorry for the confusion.

Did you referring our prophet?

I did referring your prophet.

This reminds me of a funny joke I heard from Ricky Gervais:

If you want to stop Muslims from fucking kids you have to get to the root cause. What is the root cause? Sexy kids.

[irfan_pak10]

I read here in this thread that cutting off hands is very hard punisment for the theaf.
Let me tell you here after the death of holy prophet S.A and in golden ages is comprises more than 200 years, only 6 people hands were cut off. Why? Because people know that if they pilfer there hands will be cut off.

[irfan_pak10]

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P.S. Many Muslims including me are against ISIS. I don't like what they are doing and essentially creating a new religion for their political benefits and pushing all Muslims into danger and forcing all Muslims and non-Muslims to be a victim of the danger. ISIS has killed number of Muslims too but still what they are claiming is being represented than what the reality is.

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Sorry? They don't create any new religion. Look their flag, what does the first text say? La ilaha illallah! The second text is Allah, Rasul, and Muhammad. Their god is Allah, and their prophet is Muhammad SAW. Is that a new religion?

They ain't following Islam. Islam tells not to even tease other religions or people, they are doing much worse than that. Islam tells not to compell others to become Muslims, they are doing it. They just claim they are Muslims but not follow Islam. How they are Muslims if they don't follow Islam?

They ain't following Islam? In surah al-Maidah, ayah 38-39, tells to cut off thieves hand, IS do that.

Zakir is wrong. In the Koran it is explicitly stated that you can use violence against non-muslims as well as violence against those that do supposed "wrongs". ISIS is following the Koran, the core problem isn't the people, it's the Koran itself. The Koran, Bible, Torah, are all the same, and all promote violence and death.

These verses have too often been quoted with what appears to be a willful disregard for the context in which they occur, thus inflaming the emotions of listeners, perpetuating grave misunderstandings, and contributing to the potential for violence on all sides.

Though we may not be able to influence those who are hell-bent on hatred, an explanation is owed to all reasonable people who are interested in the truth of the matter and are not looking to create enemies. The vast majority of Muslims deserve to be seen as allies in a common quest for social justice and human dignity -- assuming, of course, that we as Americans have the same goals in mind.

A careful and unbiased study of these and other verses, in their proper context, will reveal that the exhortations to fight "idolaters" and "unbelievers" are specific in nature and are not general injunctions for the murder of all those who refuse to accept Islam as their way of life.

I think one of the verse you are coating is: "Kill the idolaters wherever you find them, and capture them, and blockade them, and watch for them at every lookout..." (Quran 9:5).

According to Islamic belief, the Quran was "revealed" to Muhammad in a process of dialog with the Divine, and some parts of the Quran refer to specific situations, while other parts offer universal spiritual principles. To understand this passage, we must take into account the historical circumstances at the time of its revelation.

The "idolaters" (Arabic: mushrikeen) were those Meccan "pagans" who had declared war against Muhammad and his community. The Meccan oligarchs fought against the Prophet's message from the very beginning. When they realized that the flow of converts to Islam was increasing, they resorted to violent oppression and torture of the Prophet and his followers. The Prophet himself survived several assassination attempts, and it became so dangerous for the Muslims in Mecca that Muhammad sent some of his companions who lacked tribal protection to take asylum in the Christian kingdom of Abyssinia. After 13 years of violence, he himself was compelled to take refuge in the city of Medina, and even then the Meccans did not relent in their hostilities. Eventually, various hostile Arab tribes joined in the fight against the Muslims, culminating in the Battle of the Trench, when 10,000 soldiers from many Arab tribes gathered to wipe out the Muslim community once and for all. As we know, the Muslims survived these challenges and eventually went on to establish a vast civilization.

[Salman Anjum]

I read here in this thread that cutting off hands is very hard punisment for the theaf.
Let me tell you here after the death of holy prophet S.A and in golden ages is comprises more than 200 years, only 6 people hands were cut off. Why? Because people know that if they pilfer there hands will be cut off.

I agreed with you Muhammad Irfan...

Theft is a great treachery, which hurts one’s heart by stealing his/her property which s/he gained by working hard; and it is an unscrupulous act. This act has always been seen in every era and every place. For this reason, Islam ordered that the hand of the person who committed this unscrupulous act be cut off, which is a severe sanction, so that the punishment will be appropriate for the crime. If this sanction was applied, the cases of theft would be minimized.

Read this carefully !!!

[Prosperityforall]

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P.S. Many Muslims including me are against ISIS. I don't like what they are doing and essentially creating a new religion for their political benefits and pushing all Muslims into danger and forcing all Muslims and non-Muslims to be a victim of the danger. ISIS has killed number of Muslims too but still what they are claiming is being represented than what the reality is.

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Sorry? They don't create any new religion. Look their flag, what does the first text say? La ilaha illallah! The second text is Allah, Rasul, and Muhammad. Their god is Allah, and their prophet is Muhammad SAW. Is that a new religion?

They ain't following Islam. Islam tells not to even tease other religions or people, they are doing much worse than that. Islam tells not to compell others to become Muslims, they are doing it. They just claim they are Muslims but not follow Islam. How they are Muslims if they don't follow Islam?

They ain't following Islam? In surah al-Maidah, ayah 38-39, tells to cut off thieves hand, IS do that.

Zakir is wrong. In the Koran it is explicitly stated that you can use violence against non-muslims as well as violence against those that do supposed "wrongs". ISIS is following the Koran, the core problem isn't the people, it's the Koran itself. The Koran, Bible, Torah, are all the same, and all promote violence and death.

These verses have too often been quoted with what appears to be a willful disregard for the context in which they occur, thus inflaming the emotions of listeners, perpetuating grave misunderstandings, and contributing to the potential for violence on all sides.

Though we may not be able to influence those who are hell-bent on hatred, an explanation is owed to all reasonable people who are interested in the truth of the matter and are not looking to create enemies. The vast majority of Muslims deserve to be seen as allies in a common quest for social justice and human dignity -- assuming, of course, that we as Americans have the same goals in mind.

A careful and unbiased study of these and other verses, in their proper context, will reveal that the exhortations to fight "idolaters" and "unbelievers" are specific in nature and are not general injunctions for the murder of all those who refuse to accept Islam as their way of life.

I think one of the verse you are coating is: "Kill the idolaters wherever you find them, and capture them, and blockade them, and watch for them at every lookout..." (Quran 9:5).

According to Islamic belief, the Quran was "revealed" to Muhammad in a process of dialog with the Divine, and some parts of the Quran refer to specific situations, while other parts offer universal spiritual principles. To understand this passage, we must take into account the historical circumstances at the time of its revelation.

The "idolaters" (Arabic: mushrikeen) were those Meccan "pagans" who had declared war against Muhammad and his community. The Meccan oligarchs fought against the Prophet's message from the very beginning. When they realized that the flow of converts to Islam was increasing, they resorted to violent oppression and torture of the Prophet and his followers. The Prophet himself survived several assassination attempts, and it became so dangerous for the Muslims in Mecca that Muhammad sent some of his companions who lacked tribal protection to take asylum in the Christian kingdom of Abyssinia. After 13 years of violence, he himself was compelled to take refuge in the city of Medina, and even then the Meccans did not relent in their hostilities. Eventually, various hostile Arab tribes joined in the fight against the Muslims, culminating in the Battle of the Trench, when 10,000 soldiers from many Arab tribes gathered to wipe out the Muslim community once and for all. As we know, the Muslims survived these challenges and eventually went on to establish a vast civilization.

That's where you're wrong, again. The context in which the statements were written in does not matter, why? Because all of this was supposedly revealed to Muhammad from Allah, and since Allah is supposed to be supremely perfect in every way, then everything given to Muhammed by him should be perfect, from every syllable to the whole sentence structure, regardless of whether it's "in context" or not.

What you're doing, is admitting that "Allah" is not perfect, and admitting that "Allah" is not "god", either that or you're admitting Muhammad fabricated everything he said, and that Allah actually did not speak to Muhammad. If however, you accept Allah as "perfect" and his words of spreading violence, hate, and death, then you believe that Allah is an evil god, a malevolent entity.

Those are the only two possible outcomes.

[irfan_pak10]

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P.S. Many Muslims including me are against ISIS. I don't like what they are doing and essentially creating a new religion for their political benefits and pushing all Muslims into danger and forcing all Muslims and non-Muslims to be a victim of the danger. ISIS has killed number of Muslims too but still what they are claiming is being represented than what the reality is.

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Sorry? They don't create any new religion. Look their flag, what does the first text say? La ilaha illallah! The second text is Allah, Rasul, and Muhammad. Their god is Allah, and their prophet is Muhammad SAW. Is that a new religion?

They ain't following Islam. Islam tells not to even tease other religions or people, they are doing much worse than that. Islam tells not to compell others to become Muslims, they are doing it. They just claim they are Muslims but not follow Islam. How they are Muslims if they don't follow Islam?

They ain't following Islam? In surah al-Maidah, ayah 38-39, tells to cut off thieves hand, IS do that.

Zakir is wrong. In the Koran it is explicitly stated that you can use violence against non-muslims as well as violence against those that do supposed "wrongs". ISIS is following the Koran, the core problem isn't the people, it's the Koran itself. The Koran, Bible, Torah, are all the same, and all promote violence and death.

These verses have too often been quoted with what appears to be a willful disregard for the context in which they occur, thus inflaming the emotions of listeners, perpetuating grave misunderstandings, and contributing to the potential for violence on all sides.

Though we may not be able to influence those who are hell-bent on hatred, an explanation is owed to all reasonable people who are interested in the truth of the matter and are not looking to create enemies. The vast majority of Muslims deserve to be seen as allies in a common quest for social justice and human dignity -- assuming, of course, that we as Americans have the same goals in mind.

A careful and unbiased study of these and other verses, in their proper context, will reveal that the exhortations to fight "idolaters" and "unbelievers" are specific in nature and are not general injunctions for the murder of all those who refuse to accept Islam as their way of life.

I think one of the verse you are coating is: "Kill the idolaters wherever you find them, and capture them, and blockade them, and watch for them at every lookout..." (Quran 9:5).

According to Islamic belief, the Quran was "revealed" to Muhammad in a process of dialog with the Divine, and some parts of the Quran refer to specific situations, while other parts offer universal spiritual principles. To understand this passage, we must take into account the historical circumstances at the time of its revelation.

The "idolaters" (Arabic: mushrikeen) were those Meccan "pagans" who had declared war against Muhammad and his community. The Meccan oligarchs fought against the Prophet's message from the very beginning. When they realized that the flow of converts to Islam was increasing, they resorted to violent oppression and torture of the Prophet and his followers. The Prophet himself survived several assassination attempts, and it became so dangerous for the Muslims in Mecca that Muhammad sent some of his companions who lacked tribal protection to take asylum in the Christian kingdom of Abyssinia. After 13 years of violence, he himself was compelled to take refuge in the city of Medina, and even then the Meccans did not relent in their hostilities. Eventually, various hostile Arab tribes joined in the fight against the Muslims, culminating in the Battle of the Trench, when 10,000 soldiers from many Arab tribes gathered to wipe out the Muslim community once and for all. As we know, the Muslims survived these challenges and eventually went on to establish a vast civilization.

That's where you're wrong, again. The context in which the statements were written in does not matter, why? Because all of this was supposedly revealed to Muhammad from Allah, and since Allah is supposed to be supremely perfect in every way, then everything given to Muhammed by him should be perfect, from every syllable to the whole sentence structure, regardless of whether it's "in context" or not.

What you're doing, is admitting that "Allah" is not perfect, and admitting that "Allah" is not "god", either that or you're admitting Muhammad fabricated everything he said, and that Allah actually did not speak to Muhammad. If however, you accept Allah as "perfect" and his words of spreading violence, hate, and death, then you believe that Allah is an evil god, a mavolent entity.

Those are the only two possible outcomes.

ALLAH is perfect and every thing that is revealed to Holly Prophet S.A by the ALLAH is also perfect.
For above bolded... where it is said?

[Prosperityforall]

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P.S. Many Muslims including me are against ISIS. I don't like what they are doing and essentially creating a new religion for their political benefits and pushing all Muslims into danger and forcing all Muslims and non-Muslims to be a victim of the danger. ISIS has killed number of Muslims too but still what they are claiming is being represented than what the reality is.

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Sorry? They don't create any new religion. Look their flag, what does the first text say? La ilaha illallah! The second text is Allah, Rasul, and Muhammad. Their god is Allah, and their prophet is Muhammad SAW. Is that a new religion?

They ain't following Islam. Islam tells not to even tease other religions or people, they are doing much worse than that. Islam tells not to compell others to become Muslims, they are doing it. They just claim they are Muslims but not follow Islam. How they are Muslims if they don't follow Islam?

They ain't following Islam? In surah al-Maidah, ayah 38-39, tells to cut off thieves hand, IS do that.

Zakir is wrong. In the Koran it is explicitly stated that you can use violence against non-muslims as well as violence against those that do supposed "wrongs". ISIS is following the Koran, the core problem isn't the people, it's the Koran itself. The Koran, Bible, Torah, are all the same, and all promote violence and death.

These verses have too often been quoted with what appears to be a willful disregard for the context in which they occur, thus inflaming the emotions of listeners, perpetuating grave misunderstandings, and contributing to the potential for violence on all sides.

Though we may not be able to influence those who are hell-bent on hatred, an explanation is owed to all reasonable people who are interested in the truth of the matter and are not looking to create enemies. The vast majority of Muslims deserve to be seen as allies in a common quest for social justice and human dignity -- assuming, of course, that we as Americans have the same goals in mind.

A careful and unbiased study of these and other verses, in their proper context, will reveal that the exhortations to fight "idolaters" and "unbelievers" are specific in nature and are not general injunctions for the murder of all those who refuse to accept Islam as their way of life.

I think one of the verse you are coating is: "Kill the idolaters wherever you find them, and capture them, and blockade them, and watch for them at every lookout..." (Quran 9:5).

According to Islamic belief, the Quran was "revealed" to Muhammad in a process of dialog with the Divine, and some parts of the Quran refer to specific situations, while other parts offer universal spiritual principles. To understand this passage, we must take into account the historical circumstances at the time of its revelation.

The "idolaters" (Arabic: mushrikeen) were those Meccan "pagans" who had declared war against Muhammad and his community. The Meccan oligarchs fought against the Prophet's message from the very beginning. When they realized that the flow of converts to Islam was increasing, they resorted to violent oppression and torture of the Prophet and his followers. The Prophet himself survived several assassination attempts, and it became so dangerous for the Muslims in Mecca that Muhammad sent some of his companions who lacked tribal protection to take asylum in the Christian kingdom of Abyssinia. After 13 years of violence, he himself was compelled to take refuge in the city of Medina, and even then the Meccans did not relent in their hostilities. Eventually, various hostile Arab tribes joined in the fight against the Muslims, culminating in the Battle of the Trench, when 10,000 soldiers from many Arab tribes gathered to wipe out the Muslim community once and for all. As we know, the Muslims survived these challenges and eventually went on to establish a vast civilization.

That's where you're wrong, again. The context in which the statements were written in does not matter, why? Because all of this was supposedly revealed to Muhammad from Allah, and since Allah is supposed to be supremely perfect in every way, then everything given to Muhammed by him should be perfect, from every syllable to the whole sentence structure, regardless of whether it's "in context" or not.

What you're doing, is admitting that "Allah" is not perfect, and admitting that "Allah" is not "god", either that or you're admitting Muhammad fabricated everything he said, and that Allah actually did not speak to Muhammad. If however, you accept Allah as "perfect" and his words of spreading violence, hate, and death, then you believe that Allah is an evil god, a mavolent entity.

Those are the only two possible outcomes.

ALLAH is perfect and every thing that is revealed to Holly Prophet S.A by the ALLAH is also perfect.
For above bolded... where it is said?

Below is a few quotes from the Koran, showing the evilness depicted. There are many, many more.

"Slay them wherever you find them...Idolatry is worse than carnage...Fight against them until idolatry is no more and God's religion reigns supreme." (Surah 2:190-)

"Fighting is obligatory for you, much as you dislike it." (Surah 2:216)

"Men are tempted [in this life] by the lure of women...far better is the return of God. Say: 'Shall I tell you of better things than these, with which the righteous shall be rewarded by their Lord? Theirs shall be gardens watered by running streams, where they shall dwell for ever: wives of perfect chastity..." (Surah 3:14, 15)

"Believers, do not make friends with any but your own people...They desire nothing but your ruin....You believe in the entire Book...When they meet you they say: 'We, too, are believers.' But when alone, they bite their finger-tips with rage." (Surah 3:118, 119)

"If you should die or be slain in the cause of God, His forgiveness and His mercy would surely be better than all the riches..." (Surah 3:156-)

"Forbidden to you are...married women, except those you own as slaves." (Surah 4:20-, 24-)

"...make war on the leaders of unbelief...Make war on them: God will chastise them at your hands and humble them. He will grant you victory over them..." (Surah 9:12-)

Believers, make war on the infidels who dwell around you. Deal firmly with them." (Surah 9:121-)


"Seek out your enemies relentlessly." (Surah 4:103-)

http://www.deceptioninthechurch.com/koran.html

[Salman Anjum]

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P.S. Many Muslims including me are against ISIS. I don't like what they are doing and essentially creating a new religion for their political benefits and pushing all Muslims into danger and forcing all Muslims and non-Muslims to be a victim of the danger. ISIS has killed number of Muslims too but still what they are claiming is being represented than what the reality is.

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Sorry? They don't create any new religion. Look their flag, what does the first text say? La ilaha illallah! The second text is Allah, Rasul, and Muhammad. Their god is Allah, and their prophet is Muhammad SAW. Is that a new religion?

They ain't following Islam. Islam tells not to even tease other religions or people, they are doing much worse than that. Islam tells not to compell others to become Muslims, they are doing it. They just claim they are Muslims but not follow Islam. How they are Muslims if they don't follow Islam?

They ain't following Islam? In surah al-Maidah, ayah 38-39, tells to cut off thieves hand, IS do that.

Zakir is wrong. In the Koran it is explicitly stated that you can use violence against non-muslims as well as violence against those that do supposed "wrongs". ISIS is following the Koran, the core problem isn't the people, it's the Koran itself. The Koran, Bible, Torah, are all the same, and all promote violence and death.

Quran is different from Torah and Bible beacause there are many changes in Torah and bible but Quran is present in their original form as they revealed from Allah to Prophet Muhammad (PBUH).....
Quran is complete code of life....

I suggested you to read translation of Quran.....Then come here and argue....
Have a good day...

[Prosperityforall]

The below quotes(and many more similar to it) is in the Koran and is what the Terrorists use to justify their killings, if you accept "Allah" as perfect, you accept him as an evil god, for the words in the Koran are words against Life, they're words of violence and death. Ever wonder why those such as Buddhists never resort to violence, even though Buddhism has been persecuted against in China? Because the Buddhist faith has no violence in it, it does not promote death, it promotes peace. Islam, Christianity, and Judaism do not, they promote death and violence. Your god does not exist.


"...make war on the leaders of unbelief...Make war on them: God will chastise them at your hands and humble them. He will grant you victory over them..." (Surah 9:12-)

"Fighting is obligatory for you, much as you dislike it." (Surah 2:216)

"Seek out your enemies relentlessly." (Surah 4:103-)

"Believers, make war on the infidels who dwell around you. Deal firmly with them." (Surah 9:121-)

[amazon4u]

Why do people hates Islam?

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=776096.0;topicseen


 

I don't hate Islam...I just don't understand how you guys can live in 2015 after some "rules" in a book written 2000 years ago....and you argue about it, you debate its significance...it's a book written by a guy/guys who lived 2000 years ago, what did you expect of him ?

Also, do you really think that the world is only 2000 years old ? Are there any dinosaurs mentioned in the Quran ?  
I don't want to rain on your parade, but Islam, Christianism and all the other religions will be replaced soon by a new religion....it's called SCIENCE....it's the religion you accept and use on the daily basis, even when writing messages on Bitcointalk....everything else is just chit-chat...

[irfan_pak10]

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P.S. Many Muslims including me are against ISIS. I don't like what they are doing and essentially creating a new religion for their political benefits and pushing all Muslims into danger and forcing all Muslims and non-Muslims to be a victim of the danger. ISIS has killed number of Muslims too but still what they are claiming is being represented than what the reality is.

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Sorry? They don't create any new religion. Look their flag, what does the first text say? La ilaha illallah! The second text is Allah, Rasul, and Muhammad. Their god is Allah, and their prophet is Muhammad SAW. Is that a new religion?

They ain't following Islam. Islam tells not to even tease other religions or people, they are doing much worse than that. Islam tells not to compell others to become Muslims, they are doing it. They just claim they are Muslims but not follow Islam. How they are Muslims if they don't follow Islam?

They ain't following Islam? In surah al-Maidah, ayah 38-39, tells to cut off thieves hand, IS do that.

Zakir is wrong. In the Koran it is explicitly stated that you can use violence against non-muslims as well as violence against those that do supposed "wrongs". ISIS is following the Koran, the core problem isn't the people, it's the Koran itself. The Koran, Bible, Torah, are all the same, and all promote violence and death.

These verses have too often been quoted with what appears to be a willful disregard for the context in which they occur, thus inflaming the emotions of listeners, perpetuating grave misunderstandings, and contributing to the potential for violence on all sides.

Though we may not be able to influence those who are hell-bent on hatred, an explanation is owed to all reasonable people who are interested in the truth of the matter and are not looking to create enemies. The vast majority of Muslims deserve to be seen as allies in a common quest for social justice and human dignity -- assuming, of course, that we as Americans have the same goals in mind.

A careful and unbiased study of these and other verses, in their proper context, will reveal that the exhortations to fight "idolaters" and "unbelievers" are specific in nature and are not general injunctions for the murder of all those who refuse to accept Islam as their way of life.

I think one of the verse you are coating is: "Kill the idolaters wherever you find them, and capture them, and blockade them, and watch for them at every lookout..." (Quran 9:5).

According to Islamic belief, the Quran was "revealed" to Muhammad in a process of dialog with the Divine, and some parts of the Quran refer to specific situations, while other parts offer universal spiritual principles. To understand this passage, we must take into account the historical circumstances at the time of its revelation.

The "idolaters" (Arabic: mushrikeen) were those Meccan "pagans" who had declared war against Muhammad and his community. The Meccan oligarchs fought against the Prophet's message from the very beginning. When they realized that the flow of converts to Islam was increasing, they resorted to violent oppression and torture of the Prophet and his followers. The Prophet himself survived several assassination attempts, and it became so dangerous for the Muslims in Mecca that Muhammad sent some of his companions who lacked tribal protection to take asylum in the Christian kingdom of Abyssinia. After 13 years of violence, he himself was compelled to take refuge in the city of Medina, and even then the Meccans did not relent in their hostilities. Eventually, various hostile Arab tribes joined in the fight against the Muslims, culminating in the Battle of the Trench, when 10,000 soldiers from many Arab tribes gathered to wipe out the Muslim community once and for all. As we know, the Muslims survived these challenges and eventually went on to establish a vast civilization.

That's where you're wrong, again. The context in which the statements were written in does not matter, why? Because all of this was supposedly revealed to Muhammad from Allah, and since Allah is supposed to be supremely perfect in every way, then everything given to Muhammed by him should be perfect, from every syllable to the whole sentence structure, regardless of whether it's "in context" or not.

What you're doing, is admitting that "Allah" is not perfect, and admitting that "Allah" is not "god", either that or you're admitting Muhammad fabricated everything he said, and that Allah actually did not speak to Muhammad. If however, you accept Allah as "perfect" and his words of spreading violence, hate, and death, then you believe that Allah is an evil god, a mavolent entity.

Those are the only two possible outcomes.

ALLAH is perfect and every thing that is revealed to Holly Prophet S.A by the ALLAH is also perfect.
For above bolded... where it is said?

Below is a few quotes from the Koran, showing the evilness depicted. There are many, many more.

"Slay them wherever you find them...Idolatry is worse than carnage...Fight against them until idolatry is no more and God's religion reigns supreme." (Surah 2:190-)

"Fighting is obligatory for you, much as you dislike it." (Surah 2:216)

"Men are tempted [in this life] by the lure of women...far better is the return of God. Say: 'Shall I tell you of better things than these, with which the righteous shall be rewarded by their Lord? Theirs shall be gardens watered by running streams, where they shall dwell for ever: wives of perfect chastity..." (Surah 3:14, 15)

"Believers, do not make friends with any but your own people...They desire nothing but your ruin....You believe in the entire Book...When they meet you they say: 'We, too, are believers.' But when alone, they bite their finger-tips with rage." (Surah 3:118, 119)

"If you should die or be slain in the cause of God, His forgiveness and His mercy would surely be better than all the riches..." (Surah 3:156-)

"Forbidden to you are...married women, except those you own as slaves." (Surah 4:20-, 24-)

"...make war on the leaders of unbelief...Make war on them: God will chastise them at your hands and humble them. He will grant you victory over them..." (Surah 9:12-)

Believers, make war on the infidels who dwell around you. Deal firmly with them." (Surah 9:121-)


"Seek out your enemies relentlessly." (Surah 4:103-)

http://www.deceptioninthechurch.com/koran.html

I thanked you my friend for making this point as well as indicating these verses, and then responded as follows:

Comments:
Clearly, the above verses can incite much animosity and subsequent violence vis-a-vis all non-Muslims. Accepted literally - and uncritically - these verses lend themselves to the unjust persecution of otherwise innocent people, whose only crime is being non-Muslim. However, a pivotal matter of linguistic importance is often overlooked: the significance and usage of the definite article, "al" (i.e., "the"), which precedes the various disparaging Arabic words - kafirun, mushrikun - that describe non-believers in the Quran and which are often translated as "non-believers," "infidels," "idolaters," or "polytheists." Furthermore, in Arabic, the definite article is physically attached to the word it describes.

See below:

Quran: {The infidels are your sworn enemies Sura 4:101}
Quran {Prophet, make war on the infidels Sura 66: 9
Quran {Never be a helper to the disbelievers Sura 28:86}

The exact Arabic expression in these verses - indeed, in every verse that talks of the non-believer - is "Al-Kaferrin" or "Al-la-dhina Kafaru." The use of "Al-" or "Al-la-dhina" limits the verse (and thus commandment) to 1) a specific time and place in historyand 2) a specific group of people who were obstacles to the establishment of Islam in its nascent phase. It is these two factors that caused these verses to be revealed. Had the intentions of the Quran been to extend the application of these verses in perpetuity, it would have used the expression "Man Kafar," rather than "Al-Kafereen" or "Al-La-dhina Kafaru". The former, "Man Kafar," literally means any one who does not believe in God; while the latter, "Al-Kafereen," - the infidels - denotes a specific group of people: they who fought Prophet Mohamed in the early stages of Islam.

Moreover, the overriding principle which must ultimately guide our understanding of these verses is the constant Quranic reminder that good Muslims do not initiate violence against others so long as the latter do not provoke hostilities.

Quran 2:190 Fight in the cause of God those who start fighting you, but do not transgress limits (or start the attack); for God loveth not transgressors.

Indeed, according to other verses, even if a Muslim deemed someone an infidel, according to the Quran, he is still obligated to:

1. Behave with courtesy :
Consider, for instance, the following verse, which is supposed to instruct Muslims as to how they should deal with non-Muslims in the midst of hostilities (such as war): 9:6 And if any of the Idolatries (who are fighting you) seeks thy protection, grant him protection, so that he might [be able to] hear the word of God [from thee]; and thereupon convey him to a place where he can feel secure:
If Muslims are to behave with such clemency and magnanimity vis-a-vis the infidel during times of war and conflict, how much more should be expected of their interactions with non-Muslims during times of peace?

2. Respect his freedom of choice to be a "Disbeliever" - as this is a right bestowed upon humanity by God:
Quran 18:29 proclaims, "The truth is from your Lord": it is the free will of any person to believe (in God) or to be an Infidel (Un believer).

3. Even if a Muslim should be convinced that someone is a non-believer, still he must accept that his fate is in the hands of God alone, since no one human can condemn another - this must be left to the judgment of God.
Quran 88:25-26 for behold, unto (ONLY) Us (means God) will be their return, Then it will be for (ONLY) Us to Judge (humans).
22:17 Those who believe (in the Qur'an), those who follow the Jewish (scriptures), and the Sabians (can mean an ancient religion or people with no specific religion), Christians, Magians, and Polytheists,- God will judge between them on the Day of Judgment: for God (alone) is witness of all things.

[Salman Anjum]

The below quotes(and many more similar to it) is in the Koran and is what the Terrorists use to justify their killings, if you accept "Allah" as perfect, you accept him as an evil god, for the words in the Koran are words against Life, they're words of violence and death. Ever wonder why those such as Buddhists never resort to violence, even though Buddhism has been persecuted against in China? Because the Buddhist faith has no violence in it, it does not promote death, it promotes peace. Islam, Christianity, and Judaism do not, they promote death and violence. Your god does not exist.


"...make war on the leaders of unbelief...Make war on them: God will chastise them at your hands and humble them. He will grant you victory over them..." (Surah 9:12-)

"Fighting is obligatory for you, much as you dislike it." (Surah 2:216)

"Seek out your enemies relentlessly." (Surah 4:103-)

"Believers, make war on the infidels who dwell around you. Deal firmly with them." (Surah 9:121-)

Fighting in the path of God...

Don't mix this verse with the wrong meaning...
Read carefully

[Prosperityforall]

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P.S. Many Muslims including me are against ISIS. I don't like what they are doing and essentially creating a new religion for their political benefits and pushing all Muslims into danger and forcing all Muslims and non-Muslims to be a victim of the danger. ISIS has killed number of Muslims too but still what they are claiming is being represented than what the reality is.

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Sorry? They don't create any new religion. Look their flag, what does the first text say? La ilaha illallah! The second text is Allah, Rasul, and Muhammad. Their god is Allah, and their prophet is Muhammad SAW. Is that a new religion?

They ain't following Islam. Islam tells not to even tease other religions or people, they are doing much worse than that. Islam tells not to compell others to become Muslims, they are doing it. They just claim they are Muslims but not follow Islam. How they are Muslims if they don't follow Islam?

They ain't following Islam? In surah al-Maidah, ayah 38-39, tells to cut off thieves hand, IS do that.

Zakir is wrong. In the Koran it is explicitly stated that you can use violence against non-muslims as well as violence against those that do supposed "wrongs". ISIS is following the Koran, the core problem isn't the people, it's the Koran itself. The Koran, Bible, Torah, are all the same, and all promote violence and death.

These verses have too often been quoted with what appears to be a willful disregard for the context in which they occur, thus inflaming the emotions of listeners, perpetuating grave misunderstandings, and contributing to the potential for violence on all sides.

Though we may not be able to influence those who are hell-bent on hatred, an explanation is owed to all reasonable people who are interested in the truth of the matter and are not looking to create enemies. The vast majority of Muslims deserve to be seen as allies in a common quest for social justice and human dignity -- assuming, of course, that we as Americans have the same goals in mind.

A careful and unbiased study of these and other verses, in their proper context, will reveal that the exhortations to fight "idolaters" and "unbelievers" are specific in nature and are not general injunctions for the murder of all those who refuse to accept Islam as their way of life.

I think one of the verse you are coating is: "Kill the idolaters wherever you find them, and capture them, and blockade them, and watch for them at every lookout..." (Quran 9:5).

According to Islamic belief, the Quran was "revealed" to Muhammad in a process of dialog with the Divine, and some parts of the Quran refer to specific situations, while other parts offer universal spiritual principles. To understand this passage, we must take into account the historical circumstances at the time of its revelation.

The "idolaters" (Arabic: mushrikeen) were those Meccan "pagans" who had declared war against Muhammad and his community. The Meccan oligarchs fought against the Prophet's message from the very beginning. When they realized that the flow of converts to Islam was increasing, they resorted to violent oppression and torture of the Prophet and his followers. The Prophet himself survived several assassination attempts, and it became so dangerous for the Muslims in Mecca that Muhammad sent some of his companions who lacked tribal protection to take asylum in the Christian kingdom of Abyssinia. After 13 years of violence, he himself was compelled to take refuge in the city of Medina, and even then the Meccans did not relent in their hostilities. Eventually, various hostile Arab tribes joined in the fight against the Muslims, culminating in the Battle of the Trench, when 10,000 soldiers from many Arab tribes gathered to wipe out the Muslim community once and for all. As we know, the Muslims survived these challenges and eventually went on to establish a vast civilization.

That's where you're wrong, again. The context in which the statements were written in does not matter, why? Because all of this was supposedly revealed to Muhammad from Allah, and since Allah is supposed to be supremely perfect in every way, then everything given to Muhammed by him should be perfect, from every syllable to the whole sentence structure, regardless of whether it's "in context" or not.

What you're doing, is admitting that "Allah" is not perfect, and admitting that "Allah" is not "god", either that or you're admitting Muhammad fabricated everything he said, and that Allah actually did not speak to Muhammad. If however, you accept Allah as "perfect" and his words of spreading violence, hate, and death, then you believe that Allah is an evil god, a mavolent entity.

Those are the only two possible outcomes.

ALLAH is perfect and every thing that is revealed to Holly Prophet S.A by the ALLAH is also perfect.
For above bolded... where it is said?

Below is a few quotes from the Koran, showing the evilness depicted. There are many, many more.

"Slay them wherever you find them...Idolatry is worse than carnage...Fight against them until idolatry is no more and God's religion reigns supreme." (Surah 2:190-)

"Fighting is obligatory for you, much as you dislike it." (Surah 2:216)

"Men are tempted [in this life] by the lure of women...far better is the return of God. Say: 'Shall I tell you of better things than these, with which the righteous shall be rewarded by their Lord? Theirs shall be gardens watered by running streams, where they shall dwell for ever: wives of perfect chastity..." (Surah 3:14, 15)

"Believers, do not make friends with any but your own people...They desire nothing but your ruin....You believe in the entire Book...When they meet you they say: 'We, too, are believers.' But when alone, they bite their finger-tips with rage." (Surah 3:118, 119)

"If you should die or be slain in the cause of God, His forgiveness and His mercy would surely be better than all the riches..." (Surah 3:156-)

"Forbidden to you are...married women, except those you own as slaves." (Surah 4:20-, 24-)

"...make war on the leaders of unbelief...Make war on them: God will chastise them at your hands and humble them. He will grant you victory over them..." (Surah 9:12-)

Believers, make war on the infidels who dwell around you. Deal firmly with them." (Surah 9:121-)


"Seek out your enemies relentlessly." (Surah 4:103-)

http://www.deceptioninthechurch.com/koran.html

I thanked you my friend for making this point as well as indicating these verses, and then responded as follows:

Comments:
Clearly, the above verses can incite much animosity and subsequent violence vis-a-vis all non-Muslims. Accepted literally - and uncritically - these verses lend themselves to the unjust persecution of otherwise innocent people, whose only crime is being non-Muslim. However, a pivotal matter of linguistic importance is often overlooked: the significance and usage of the definite article, "al" (i.e., "the"), which precedes the various disparaging Arabic words - kafirun, mushrikun - that describe non-believers in the Quran and which are often translated as "non-believers," "infidels," "idolaters," or "polytheists." Furthermore, in Arabic, the definite article is physically attached to the word it describes.

See below:

Quran: {The infidels are your sworn enemies Sura 4:101}
Quran {Prophet, make war on the infidels Sura 66: 9
Quran {Never be a helper to the disbelievers Sura 28:86}

The exact Arabic expression in these verses - indeed, in every verse that talks of the non-believer - is "Al-Kaferrin" or "Al-la-dhina Kafaru." The use of "Al-" or "Al-la-dhina" limits the verse (and thus commandment) to 1) a specific time and place in historyand 2) a specific group of people who were obstacles to the establishment of Islam in its nascent phase. It is these two factors that caused these verses to be revealed. Had the intentions of the Quran been to extend the application of these verses in perpetuity, it would have used the expression "Man Kafar," rather than "Al-Kafereen" or "Al-La-dhina Kafaru". The former, "Man Kafar," literally means any one who does not believe in God; while the latter, "Al-Kafereen," - the infidels - denotes a specific group of people: they who fought Prophet Mohamed in the early stages of Islam.

Moreover, the overriding principle which must ultimately guide our understanding of these verses is the constant Quranic reminder that good Muslims do not initiate violence against others so long as the latter do not provoke hostilities.

Quran 2:190 Fight in the cause of God those who start fighting you, but do not transgress limits (or start the attack); for God loveth not transgressors.

Indeed, according to other verses, even if a Muslim deemed someone an infidel, according to the Quran, he is still obligated to:

1. Behave with courtesy :
Consider, for instance, the following verse, which is supposed to instruct Muslims as to how they should deal with non-Muslims in the midst of hostilities (such as war): 9:6 And if any of the Idolatries (who are fighting you) seeks thy protection, grant him protection, so that he might [be able to] hear the word of God [from thee]; and thereupon convey him to a place where he can feel secure:
If Muslims are to behave with such clemency and magnanimity vis-a-vis the infidel during times of war and conflict, how much more should be expected of their interactions with non-Muslims during times of peace?

2. Respect his freedom of choice to be a "Disbeliever" - as this is a right bestowed upon humanity by God:
Quran 18:29 proclaims, "The truth is from your Lord": it is the free will of any person to believe (in God) or to be an Infidel (Un believer).

3. Even if a Muslim should be convinced that someone is a non-believer, still he must accept that his fate is in the hands of God alone, since no one human can condemn another - this must be left to the judgment of God.
Quran 88:25-26 for behold, unto (ONLY) Us (means God) will be their return, Then it will be for (ONLY) Us to Judge (humans).
22:17 Those who believe (in the Qur'an), those who follow the Jewish (scriptures), and the Sabians (can mean an ancient religion or people with no specific religion), Christians, Magians, and Polytheists,- God will judge between them on the Day of Judgment: for God (alone) is witness of all things.

So you're saying that the Koran is like a history book of Islam's early beginnings? That would make sense, If it was not treated as a holy book. But, since Islam claims that Muhammed was given these revealations onto him by Allah, that disregards the use of it as a history book where one can say, "They had to have these laws to protect themselves from their enemies at the time", because "Allah is claimed to be supremely perfect in every possible way. If that were so, then whatever he told Muhammed should also be perfect, in every single way, there should be no commands promoting death and violence. But, there is, and that can only mean three things

1) Muhammed mistranslated what Allah said, meaning that the entire Koran is wrong because the things in it are Not what Allah actually told Muhammed

2) Muhammed lied about what was said to him by Allah

3) Allah is an evil god who promote violence and death to non-muslims and incredible violence to muslims themselves(See cutting of hands passage in the Koran)