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December 22, 2015, 03:20:16 AM
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This is what I and many others are trying to tell you. The only way that might come close to suggesting that you have no religion is if you live your life spontaneously all the time. But this would still be your religion.

Who exactly has tried to say that no one can avoid being religious in real life??

Solomon in the Old Testament, and Saint Paul in the New Testament, both suggested that we are to live a life of moderation. The only way to live moderation moderately is to splurge once in awhile.

What does moderation have to do with anything? If a homosexual moderates his desires, and yet "splurges" by occasionally having gay sex, does this make his life balanced and righteous? And why is it not "balanced" to be "devoted" to balance?? This definition only goes so far, and I will finally deconstruct it now:

Your life is your religion, even if you have no formal religion.

You are religious only if you are "devoted". If you never "believe something too much", then you don't have a religion, then you are called "rational" since you can intelligently evaluate new ideas when presented.

If you look in the section titled "What is Atheism" in Atheism and Secularity, Vol. 1, you will see that to be "agnostic" means nothing more than to be "rational". I doubt that you will be able to transform "lack of belief" or "uncertainty about a belief" into "devotional belief" with the use of reason. But then again, I do not EXPECT you to be rational since you are more religious than me! This reminds me of Einstein's conversation with the Indian poet Tagore wherein Einstein exclaimed "I am more religious than you!"; Einstein believed in an objective order which existed independently of the mind while admitting that he did not fully understand the meaning of this mysterious belief while Tagore believed in the "universal man" who beholds all things and for whom the unknown is totally nonexistent. To be devoted only means that you go beyond what is known and what is rational; that is the essence of religion. Mere "belief" does not suffice; if you question me about the weather, I will tell you the truth with devotion; that means that my religion is truth and that it is perfectly rational to respond in defense of the truth, even if it appears a bit silly.
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December 22, 2015, 03:39:10 AM
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This is what I and many others are trying to tell you. The only way that might come close to suggesting that you have no religion is if you live your life spontaneously all the time. But this would still be your religion.

Who exactly has tried to say that no one can avoid being religious in real life??
You figure it out. It is in the previous posts in this thread.



Solomon in the Old Testament, and Saint Paul in the New Testament, both suggested that we are to live a life of moderation. The only way to live moderation moderately is to splurge once in awhile.

What does moderation have to do with anything?
The moderation thing is a unit in itself.


If a homosexual moderates his desires, and yet "splurges" by occasionally having gay sex, does this make his life balanced and righteous? And why is it not "balanced" to be "devoted" to balance?? This definition only goes so far, and I will finally deconstruct it now:

Your life is your religion, even if you have no formal religion.

You are religious only if you are "devoted".
Most people are devoted to their life. They struggle to keep from dying, especially when they know death is near.

People who are voluntary martyrs are even more devoted to what they are doing. After all, they have to fight their natural survival instinct.

What's so hard about this. You need to think life over a little more.


If you never "believe something too much", then you don't have a religion, then you are called "rational" since you can intelligently evaluate new ideas when presented.

This can be accurate. Solomon says that if you are overly wicked, you will wind up destroying yourself. He also says that if you are overly righteous, you will wind up dying before your time. Ecclesiastes 7:16,17:
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Do not be overrighteous, neither be overwise—why destroy yourself?

Do not be overwicked, and do not be a fool—why die before your time?

It is good to grasp the one and not let go of the other. The man who fears God will avoid all extremes.


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Most people are devoted to their life. They struggle to keep from dying, especially when they know death is near.

People who are voluntary martyrs are even more devoted to what they are doing. After all, they have to fight their natural survival instinct.

What's so hard about this. You need to think life over a little more.

Life is what it is; it passes into death and death passes into life in an endless cycle; rebirth is a key spiritual concept which was removed from the Bible by Pharisees; the evidence is not hard to find, but for you it may be hard to think about due to prior mental blocks and irrational devotion to authorities... It is hard to release one's fear of death because GOD is the author of goodness and life, HIS gifts are yours to enjoy in balance; similarly, it is all but impossible to release one's devotion to reason and thinking (unless you have been hypnotized, usually by an authority), and since Man is a creature of reason, and reason is another of GOD's gifts, then in any case one should be as wise as a serpent and never seek to die; GOD does not need any more martyrs and Jesus never meant to be a martyr either--he resisted his capture, but you would never suspect this if you only read 4 of the 28 written gospels, i.e. the four that were approved by the Church of Rome.
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Since man is a rational being, a creature of reason, it is obvious that GOD would want man to think. BADecker implies that thinking is a religion, but it is perfectly fair to ask BADecker "compared to what?" Another question to ask of him is "how can we know that you are not misleading us into a false religion? what is the fruit of such a belief? why should one choose a belief which is irrational and against reason, which denies man's basic virtue? is it balanced to equivocate opinion and reason?", etc.
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December 22, 2015, 10:52:29 AM
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Since man is a rational being, a creature of reason, it is obvious that GOD would want man to think. BADecker implies that thinking is a religion, but it is perfectly fair to ask BADecker "compared to what?" Another question to ask of him is "how can we know that you are not misleading us into a false religion? what is the fruit of such a belief? why should one choose a belief which is irrational and against reason, which denies man's basic virtue? is it balanced to equivocate opinion and reason?", etc.
Thinking is surely not a religion but the 6th point he mentioned might be.Atheism has become the new religion nowadays.

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December 22, 2015, 10:56:10 AM
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Since man is a rational being, a creature of reason, it is obvious that GOD would want man to think. BADecker implies that thinking is a religion, but it is perfectly fair to ask BADecker "compared to what?" Another question to ask of him is "how can we know that you are not misleading us into a false religion? what is the fruit of such a belief? why should one choose a belief which is irrational and against reason, which denies man's basic virtue? is it balanced to equivocate opinion and reason?", etc.
Thinking is surely not a religion but the 6th point he mentioned might be.Atheism has become the new religion nowadays.

I think atheism is the consequence of nihilism.

That will go away once the Messiah will come.


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December 22, 2015, 11:04:06 AM
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Since man is a rational being, a creature of reason, it is obvious that GOD would want man to think. BADecker implies that thinking is a religion, but it is perfectly fair to ask BADecker "compared to what?" Another question to ask of him is "how can we know that you are not misleading us into a false religion? what is the fruit of such a belief? why should one choose a belief which is irrational and against reason, which denies man's basic virtue? is it balanced to equivocate opinion and reason?", etc.
Thinking is surely not a religion but the 6th point he mentioned might be.Atheism has become the new religion nowadays.

I think atheism is the consequence of nihilism.

That will go away once the Messiah will come.


Best regards.

Can we get a date for your messiahs arrival?  Maybe once he misses the deadline you can think about an alternative religion?

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Can we get a date for your messiahs arrival?  Maybe once he misses the deadline you can think about an alternative religion?

Are you an atheist?

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December 22, 2015, 11:08:57 AM
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Since man is a rational being, a creature of reason, it is obvious that GOD would want man to think. BADecker implies that thinking is a religion, but it is perfectly fair to ask BADecker "compared to what?" Another question to ask of him is "how can we know that you are not misleading us into a false religion? what is the fruit of such a belief? why should one choose a belief which is irrational and against reason, which denies man's basic virtue? is it balanced to equivocate opinion and reason?", etc.
Thinking is surely not a religion but the 6th point he mentioned might be.Atheism has become the new religion nowadays.

I think atheism is the consequence of nihilism.

That will go away once the Messiah will come.


Best regards.
No, it is not cause if people were that skeptical then there wouldn't be any religions fucking around in 21st century.
you cannot chose any path if you don't have one and make it your believe that it's right.

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December 22, 2015, 11:11:56 AM
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No, it is not cause if people were that skeptical then there wouldn't be any religions fucking around in 21st century.
you cannot chose any path if you don't have one and make it your believe that it's right.

Are you an atheist?


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December 22, 2015, 11:16:58 AM
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No, it is not cause if people were that skeptical then there wouldn't be any religions fucking around in 21st century.
you cannot chose any path if you don't have one and make it your believe that it's right.

Are you an atheist?


Best regards.

I have no religion,  only theories none of which include any gods.  And any theories I do have also arent beliefs, just could be 's.. My religion isn't atheism like many people in this thread are getting to push.

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No, it is not cause if people were that skeptical then there wouldn't be any religions fucking around in 21st century.
you cannot chose any path if you don't have one and make it your believe that it's right.

Are you an atheist?


Best regards.

I have no religion,  only theories none of which include any gods.  And any theories I do have also arent beliefs, just could be 's.. My religion isn't atheism like many people in this thread are getting to push.

You quoted the message that was not directed to you.

Aside from that: Science (and hence theories) come from the Fear of God
Ref: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fear_of_God

How can you have theories if you have no God?


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No, it is not cause if people were that skeptical then there wouldn't be any religions fucking around in 21st century.
you cannot chose any path if you don't have one and make it your believe that it's right.

Are you an atheist?


Best regards.

I have no religion,  only theories none of which include any gods.  And any theories I do have also arent beliefs, just could be 's.. My religion isn't atheism like many people in this thread are getting to push.

You quoted the message that was not directed to you.

Aside from that: Science (and hence theories) come from the Fear of God
Ref: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fear_of_God

How can you have theories if you have no God?


Best regards.

Apologies for the wrong quote,  I thought you had quoted me twice so just quoted the last one you made,  I didn't realise you asked the same question to two different people until you mentioned it.  So anyways, back to the question.

I can quote easily have theories without having a god because none of my theories contain any gods,  to me beleif in a God or gods is completely irrational,  someone earlier seemed to take that as me questioning their intelligence which obviously isn't the case.

For example , a theory I could  beleive if is when we die there is nothing,  the same as before we were born.  Thare is no god in this theory and obviously it's very hard to prove but to me a lot less ridiculous than some all powerful all knowing God.

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Apologies for the wrong quote,  I thought you had quoted me twice so just quoted the last one you made,  I didn't realise you asked the same question to two different people until you mentioned it.  So anyways, back to the question.

I can quote easily have theories without having a god because none of my theories contain any gods,  to me beleif in a God or gods is completely irrational,  someone earlier seemed to take that as me questioning their intelligence which obviously isn't the case.

For example , a theory I could  beleive if is when we die there is nothing,  the same as before we were born.  Thare is no god in this theory and obviously it's very hard to prove but to me a lot less ridiculous than some all powerful all knowing God.

Infact you don't have to believe in God.

Believing in God gives you lots of things: last of the which is Eternal Life, but you don't have to believe a God to live.


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December 22, 2015, 01:44:49 PM
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No, it is not cause if people were that skeptical then there wouldn't be any religions fucking around in 21st century.
you cannot chose any path if you don't have one and make it your believe that it's right.

Are you an atheist?


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I have no religion,  only theories none of which include any gods.  And any theories I do have also arent beliefs, just could be 's.. My religion isn't atheism like many people in this thread are getting to push.

You quoted the message that was not directed to you.

Aside from that: Science (and hence theories) come from the Fear of God
Ref: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fear_of_God

How can you have theories if you have no God?


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Apologies for the wrong quote,  I thought you had quoted me twice so just quoted the last one you made,  I didn't realise you asked the same question to two different people until you mentioned it.  So anyways, back to the question.

I can quote easily have theories without having a god because none of my theories contain any gods,  to me beleif in a God or gods is completely irrational,  someone earlier seemed to take that as me questioning their intelligence which obviously isn't the case.

For example , a theory I could  beleive if is when we die there is nothing,  the same as before we were born.  Thare is no god in this theory and obviously it's very hard to prove but to me a lot less ridiculous than some all powerful all knowing God.

For example , a theory I could  beleive if is when we die there is nothing,  the same as before we were born.  Thare is no god in this theory and obviously it's very hard to prove but to me a lot less ridiculous than some all powerful all knowing God.

Tell me, you were back from the death and you know that after we die there is nothing?

Okay, let me ask you a few question and if you really give me a good answer, then I will be sure that you are the only person who knows the things about religion and God...

1. Tell me, what is the meaning of the word God and is it have any connection to Alien or ET?
2. What is the difference between Supreme, Lord and Christ?
3. You mentioned religion, so I would like to ask you... What will be a definition for the word and how do you describe this people?

Now, lets get back to your theory that after death, there is nothing. I will share you a scientific research where people speak what they see after they back from the death:

1. Light
Most of the people who died, said they saw the famous "light at the end of the tunnel." It is the most common phenomenon that people have when they are technically dead.

2. They could see his body
Many people have this "out of body experience" and saw his lifeless body over them when they were technically dead. That means they were incorporeal spirit hovered over their body. They could not see everything that happens in the room and who's in it. Any attempt to renew the relationship between consciousness and the physical body will fail, leaving a person out of himself a few moments.

3. Guardian Angel
Many people claim to have seen at least one angel or spirit who watches and cares for them during a brief stop in the "death abyss." Some say that the spirit helped through the afterlife before being sent back to their body.

4. A visit from her mother
Many people say that they visited their mother through vision, while they were on their deathbed.

5. Saw deceased relatives
If you have a large family, get ready to see them in the afterlife. Many have died and returned back again in life, they say they saw their relatives died while stopped in the afterlife.

6. The life passing before their eyes
Prepare again to experience your best and worst moments. Many people see life before the eyes right before the coming of death, or even after you switch sides. See their achievements and their memories are appearing before his eyes as a slideshow of her life.

7. They could see and hear all
Many people told that they could see the people who were with them in the room and tried to contact them but could not respond because their body was lifeless and their spirit / consciousness remained awake. Any attempt to get in touch with the people around them in vain.

8. Peace
The majority of deaths that again revived, said they felt a sense of peace and tranquility. It was so powerful and beautiful feeling soul / mind did not know how to find it reassuring experience.

9. Do not want to return
According to numerous reports, the mortal experience is so calming and serene, so many people who have experienced did not want to return to waking life. Imagine how you feel something as well, so you do not want to go back in life that you fought very hard to maintain.

Sorry if there is some mistakes in the translations, because the text is on Macedonian. Smiley
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December 22, 2015, 01:48:34 PM
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I will share you a scientific research where people speak what they see after they back from the death:
Rofl... dude whatever you see is just what you think and are familiar with and no there is no scientific research on people ever who came back to life after death,Wikipedia is crap.

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I will share you a scientific research where people speak what they see after they back from the death:
Rofl... dude whatever you see is just what you think and are familiar with and no there is no scientific research on people ever who came back to life after death,Wikipedia is crap.

Why Wikipedia is crap?


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December 22, 2015, 01:56:46 PM
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Not all atheists hate religion as not all religious persons hate atheism but I would imagine any atheist who hates religion probably sees religion as a cause of some of the greatest dicisions in society today whether that is right or wrong.Its also possible the persons who were religious may have lost their faith due to personal hardships experienced that led them to believe that their religion failed to save them from but then again most of the saints from certain religions were also persecuted and suffered and held their faith for some reason so its not a simple debate.Its all personal choice and what influences you as an individual.
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I will share you a scientific research where people speak what they see after they back from the death:
Rofl... dude whatever you see is just what you think and are familiar with and no there is no scientific research on people ever who came back to life after death,Wikipedia is crap.

Why Wikipedia is crap?


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Because anyone can edit the articles/content on their pedia, even if you do some projects based on it then they might not get approved anywhere.

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Because anyone can edit the articles/content on their pedia, even if you do some projects based on it then they might not get approved anywhere.

It is called Community (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Community).

Wikipedia is a community for Knowledge.

You need to trust people to grow, that's how it works.

Wikipedia is not crap, is you that are grumpy.


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