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December 23, 2015, 11:01:24 PM
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But, sameness wasn't what Jet Cash was talking about. He was talking about their differences. Because they are different, and because this topic is about atheism and religion, what does agnosticism have to do with it? You are always the one who wants to stay on topic.

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Exactly: this discussion is a big waste of time.


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I'll tell you more: the next one is going to say there is a difference between an atheist and an agnostic I'm going to fuck'n punch him in the face... unless he/she is a man/woman of God!


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Now you are serving punch! Fruit punch? or Hawaiian? Right in the face where it usually goes... the mouth. But you won't give Godly people any?

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December 23, 2015, 11:28:41 PM
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Now you are serving punch! Fruit punch? or Hawaiian? Right in the face where it usually goes... the mouth. But you won't give Godly people any?

 Cheesy

You keep focusing on the wrong people.


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December 23, 2015, 11:32:25 PM
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Now you are serving punch! Fruit punch? or Hawaiian? Right in the face where it usually goes... the mouth. But you won't give Godly people any?

 Cheesy

You keep focusing on the wrong people.


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December 24, 2015, 07:27:27 AM
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Now you are serving punch! Fruit punch? or Hawaiian? Right in the face where it usually goes... the mouth. But you won't give Godly people any?

 Cheesy

You keep focusing on the wrong people.


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But he still fails to convince one cause his God doesn't cares about his efforts and neither he cares to prove his own fake abilities  Undecided

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December 24, 2015, 08:07:19 AM
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Now you are serving punch! Fruit punch? or Hawaiian? Right in the face where it usually goes... the mouth. But you won't give Godly people any?

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You keep focusing on the wrong people.


Best regards.

But he still fails to convince one cause his God doesn't cares about his efforts and neither he cares to prove his own fake abilities  Undecided


God doesn't force anyone to believe in Him. I have done way more than He would have when I proved to you through science that God exists.

Jesus always spoke in parables, so that people could figure out the story of God on their own. If they weren't interested, that was okay. It was their choice, and God was holding their freedom of choice open for them.

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December 24, 2015, 08:38:02 AM
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Now you are serving punch! Fruit punch? or Hawaiian? Right in the face where it usually goes... the mouth. But you won't give Godly people any?

 Cheesy

You keep focusing on the wrong people.


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But he still fails to convince one cause his God doesn't cares about his efforts and neither he cares to prove his own fake abilities  Undecided


God doesn't force anyone to believe in Him. I have done way more than He would have when I proved to you through science that God exists.

Jesus always spoke in parables, so that people could figure out the story of God on their own. If they weren't interested, that was okay. It was their choice, and God was holding their freedom of choice open for them.

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You weren't able to convince people about your believe and why does God has to hold their freedom of choice when he himself could make it a lot simpler by making himself visible.

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Now you are serving punch! Fruit punch? or Hawaiian? Right in the face where it usually goes... the mouth. But you won't give Godly people any?

 Cheesy

You keep focusing on the wrong people.


Best regards.

When is the penny going to drop that BADecker is NOT on your side?
Your Catholic, he's Christian. Both different cults.

In his eyes you're his competitor, a threat to his cult he's convinced himself will burn in lake of fire. An opponent. The oppoosition. An adversary.

WAKE UP!



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December 24, 2015, 08:49:57 AM
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Now you are serving punch! Fruit punch? or Hawaiian? Right in the face where it usually goes... the mouth. But you won't give Godly people any?

 Cheesy

You keep focusing on the wrong people.


Best regards.

When is the penny going to drop that BADecker is NOT on your side?
Your Catholic, he's Christian. Both different cults.

In his eyes your his competitor, a threat to his cult he's convinced himself will burn in lake of fire. An opponent. The oppoosition. An adversary.

WAKE UP!




Its a bit of a shame, Its religion that separates them or else they might well have been friends.

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December 24, 2015, 09:06:29 AM
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Now you are serving punch! Fruit punch? or Hawaiian? Right in the face where it usually goes... the mouth. But you won't give Godly people any?

 Cheesy

You keep focusing on the wrong people.


Best regards.

When is the penny going to drop that BADecker is NOT on your side?
Your Catholic, he's Christian. Both different cults.

In his eyes your his competitor, a threat to his cult he's convinced himself will burn in lake of fire. An opponent. The oppoosition. An adversary.

WAKE UP!




Its a bit of a shame, Its religion that separates them or else they might well have been friends.
Well, in reality it's not religion cause people hate each other for nothing and it's been going on since centuries.
Rivalry is a part of human/animal instincts  Undecided

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December 24, 2015, 09:15:04 AM
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Now you are serving punch! Fruit punch? or Hawaiian? Right in the face where it usually goes... the mouth. But you won't give Godly people any?

 Cheesy

You keep focusing on the wrong people.


Best regards.

When is the penny going to drop that BADecker is NOT on your side?
Your Catholic, he's Christian. Both different cults.

In his eyes your his competitor, a threat to his cult he's convinced himself will burn in lake of fire. An opponent. The oppoosition. An adversary.

WAKE UP!




Its a bit of a shame, Its religion that separates them or else they might well have been friends.
Well, in reality it's not religion cause people hate each other for nothing and it's been going on since centuries.
Rivalry is a part of human/animal instincts  Undecided

Indeed but before we have anyone posting that god gives people morals and without him they would be killing each other i will just put this out there.

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Species whose members were predisposed to cooperate were more likely to survive and pass on their genes. Reciprocacy, altruism and other so-called ‘moral’ characteristics are evident in many species . The neurochemical thought to regulate morality and empathy is oxytocin .

Which explains why we dont kill and rape everyone we see, not god. Evolution. We have evolved to work together.

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December 24, 2015, 09:52:06 AM
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Now you are serving punch! Fruit punch? or Hawaiian? Right in the face where it usually goes... the mouth. But you won't give Godly people any?

 Cheesy

You keep focusing on the wrong people.


Best regards.

You want to feed the wrong people fruit punch.    Cheesy

If you discuss with a non believers about the difference between atheism and agnosticism IS A BIG WASTE OF TIME: this kind of discussions ARE FOR BELIEVERS.

For me this issue is solved.

This thread can now be locked.


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December 24, 2015, 11:38:31 AM
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Because Religion has taken war and many ignorance on this world. Catholicism has locked the human development for many many centuries. Imagine a world without religion, it could be good, yeah? Smiley
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December 24, 2015, 01:32:25 PM
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No, it is not cause if people were that skeptical then there wouldn't be any religions fucking around in 21st century.
you cannot chose any path if you don't have one and make it your believe that it's right.

Are you an atheist?


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I have no religion,  only theories none of which include any gods.  And any theories I do have also arent beliefs, just could be 's.. My religion isn't atheism like many people in this thread are getting to push.

You quoted the message that was not directed to you.

Aside from that: Science (and hence theories) come from the Fear of God
Ref: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fear_of_God

How can you have theories if you have no God?


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Apologies for the wrong quote,  I thought you had quoted me twice so just quoted the last one you made,  I didn't realise you asked the same question to two different people until you mentioned it.  So anyways, back to the question.

I can quote easily have theories without having a god because none of my theories contain any gods,  to me beleif in a God or gods is completely irrational,  someone earlier seemed to take that as me questioning their intelligence which obviously isn't the case.

For example , a theory I could  beleive if is when we die there is nothing,  the same as before we were born.  Thare is no god in this theory and obviously it's very hard to prove but to me a lot less ridiculous than some all powerful all knowing God.

For example , a theory I could  beleive if is when we die there is nothing,  the same as before we were born.  Thare is no god in this theory and obviously it's very hard to prove but to me a lot less ridiculous than some all powerful all knowing God.

Tell me, you were back from the death and you know that after we die there is nothing?

Okay, let me ask you a few question and if you really give me a good answer, then I will be sure that you are the only person who knows the things about religion and God...

1. Tell me, what is the meaning of the word God and is it have any connection to Alien or ET?
2. What is the difference between Supreme, Lord and Christ?
3. You mentioned religion, so I would like to ask you... What will be a definition for the word and how do you describe this people?

Now, lets get back to your theory that after death, there is nothing. I will share you a scientific research where people speak what they see after they back from the death:

1. Light
Most of the people who died, said they saw the famous "light at the end of the tunnel." It is the most common phenomenon that people have when they are technically dead.

2. They could see his body
Many people have this "out of body experience" and saw his lifeless body over them when they were technically dead. That means they were incorporeal spirit hovered over their body. They could not see everything that happens in the room and who's in it. Any attempt to renew the relationship between consciousness and the physical body will fail, leaving a person out of himself a few moments.

3. Guardian Angel
Many people claim to have seen at least one angel or spirit who watches and cares for them during a brief stop in the "death abyss." Some say that the spirit helped through the afterlife before being sent back to their body.

4. A visit from her mother
Many people say that they visited their mother through vision, while they were on their deathbed.

5. Saw deceased relatives
If you have a large family, get ready to see them in the afterlife. Many have died and returned back again in life, they say they saw their relatives died while stopped in the afterlife.

6. The life passing before their eyes
Prepare again to experience your best and worst moments. Many people see life before the eyes right before the coming of death, or even after you switch sides. See their achievements and their memories are appearing before his eyes as a slideshow of her life.

7. They could see and hear all
Many people told that they could see the people who were with them in the room and tried to contact them but could not respond because their body was lifeless and their spirit / consciousness remained awake. Any attempt to get in touch with the people around them in vain.

8. Peace
The majority of deaths that again revived, said they felt a sense of peace and tranquility. It was so powerful and beautiful feeling soul / mind did not know how to find it reassuring experience.

9. Do not want to return
According to numerous reports, the mortal experience is so calming and serene, so many people who have experienced did not want to return to waking life. Imagine how you feel something as well, so you do not want to go back in life that you fought very hard to maintain.

Sorry if there is some mistakes in the translations, because the text is on Macedonian. Smiley

Apologies for the late reply, i can answer your questions.

First off i dont know that theres nothing after death i just find the possibility that theres nothing at all as very plausible when comparing it to god type religions.

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1. Tell me, what is the meaning of the word God and is it have any connection to Alien or ET?
the meaning of god is some sort of supreme being that has power over everything. I do think aliens could have been perceived as gods back in the day but i dont think followers of religion would accept ET as their gods, and if ET was for example the god of the old testament then i wouldnt want that god as my god, the only reason to serve such a god would be because of fear of what would happen if you did not, hence i would be a god fearing person. Luckily thats not the case.

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2. What is the difference between Supreme, Lord and Christ?
To me these words dont hold much value , I mean i could tell you what the dictionary would say about these words but i don't think that's what your asking.

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3. You mentioned religion, so I would like to ask you... What will be a definition for the word and how do you describe this people?
I can give you the definitive definition for this
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the belief in and worship of a superhuman controlling power, especially a personal God or gods.


As for NDE's , Its an interesting subject but many scientific tests have been carried out to disprove this, there are also not as many of these as you might expect and often accounts vary greatlly depending on the religion of the person having the NDE. Obviously when the body is under great stress ie dying, all kinds of endorphins are released by the body which can quite easily cause hallucinations.


For everyone else that is describing atheism/every human being as religious this is the oxford dictionary's official definition of religion.  


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religion
rɪˈlɪdʒ(ə)n/
noun
noun: religion

    the belief in and worship of a superhuman controlling power, especially a personal God or gods.

no1 - wrong

God, Aline and ET are the same thing.

no2 - wrong

Supreme is a title only for one person, Lord is a title for person who is leading a group, example: you father is the Lord of your house, Christ is metaphor for the Light or the Holly Spirit.

no3 - wrong

Religion is group of people who is guided by one person. He teach them what to think!

NDE - Tell me, how can you talk about things that you never have experienced them?

Are you somehow reading between the lines of what i wrote? What i wrote about what a god is is the same as what you just said but somehow im wrong? the second one i said i could give the definition since its as simple as a quick google but the poster seemed to be looking for something other than the actual definition of each word. And as for the 3rd one, what you think is the definition and what is the actual definition are 2 different things.

how can i experience something that doesnt exist?

no1 - wrong
God, Aline and ET are the same thing.

no2 - wrong
Supreme is a title only for one person, Lord is a title for person who is leading a group, example: you father is the Lord of your house, Christ is metaphor for the Light or the Holly Spirit.

no3 - wrong
Religion is group of people who is guided by one person. He teach them what to think!


Please, re-read my words again and you will find the answer of the 3 questions...

how can i experience something that doesnt exist?

You didn't answer my question!! Tell me, how can you talk about things that you never have experienced them?? Smiley
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You didn't answer my question!! Tell me, how can you talk about things that you never have experienced them?? Smiley

Quite easily. the same way i can talk about werewolves,vampires,santa claus,tooth fairy,lochness monster,zeus,hercules,big foot,mermaids,minotaurs,krampus,trolls,the kraken etc. Ive not experienced any of those but i can be quite confident in speaking about them because they are all myths.god fits perfectly in with the others i mentioned. Do you suggest i dont speak of these since i have not actually experienced any of them? maybe they are all real?

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As for NDE's , Its an interesting subject but many scientific tests have been carried out to disprove this, there are also not as many of these as you might expect and often accounts vary greatlly depending on the religion of the person having the NDE. Obviously when the body is under great stress ie dying, all kinds of endorphins are released by the body which can quite easily cause hallucinations.


For everyone else that is describing atheism/every human being as religious this is the oxford dictionary's official definition of religion.  


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religion
rɪˈlɪdʒ(ə)n/
noun
noun: religion

    the belief in and worship of a superhuman controlling power, especially a personal God or gods.

It's like helloeverybody wants us to use the only definition of religion that he wants to use. Well, that's not the only definition of the word religion that there is. Such is the way of a deceptive atheist. Considering what helloeverybody seems to be, I almost wish that atheism wasn't associated with religion.

From http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/religion?s=t:
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religion
[ri-lij-uh n]

noun

1.  set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, especially when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency or agencies, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs.

2. a specific fundamental set of beliefs and practices generally agreed upon by a number of persons or sects:
the Christian religion; the Buddhist religion.

3. the body of persons adhering to a particular set of beliefs and practices:
a world council of religions.

4. the life or state of a monk, nun, etc.:
to enter religion.

5. the practice of religious beliefs; ritual observance of faith.

6. something one believes in and follows devotedly; a point or matter of ethics or conscience:
to make a religion of fighting prejudice.

7. religions, Archaic. religious rites:
painted priests performing religions deep into the night.

8. Archaic. strict faithfulness; devotion:
a religion to one's vow.


From the Oxford online dictionary at http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/us/definition/american_english/religion:
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Syllabification: re·li·gion

Pronunciation: /rəˈlijən/

Definition of religion in English:
noun

1 The belief in and worship of a superhuman controlling power, especially a personal God or gods: ideas about the relationship between science and religion

More example sentences Synonyms
1.1A particular system of faith and worship: the world’s great religions

More example sentences
1.2A pursuit or interest to which someone ascribes supreme importance: consumerism is the new religion


From the Oxford online Advanced Learner's Dictionary at http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/us/definition/learner/religion:
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religion noun

1. [uncountable] the belief in the existence of a god or gods, and the activities that are connected with the worship of them, or in the teachings of a spiritual leader

     Is there always a conflict between science and religion?

2. [countable] one of the systems of faith that are based on the belief in the existence of a particular god or gods, or in the teachings of a spiritual leader

     the Jewish religion

     Christianity, Islam and other world religions

     The law states that everyone has the right to practise their own religion.


3. [singular] a particular interest or influence that is very important in your life

     For him, football is an absolute religion.


So, what do you think? Do any of the above definitions fit atheism? And when? And why? And in what way?


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It's like helloeverybody wants us to use the only definition of religion that he wants to use. Well, that's not the only definition of the word religion that there is. Such is the way of a deceptive atheist. Considering what helloeverybody seems to be, I almost wish that atheism wasn't associated with religion.



your amusing i give you that.

Your completely abusing the word religion, Yes someone can be religious about their football or whatever  but that doesn't mean that football is their religion. You're taking it completely out of context. In your world it seems that there is nothing else except religion, Its impossible to not have a religion according to you no matter what your beliefs are.

So ok lets just assume that there is something out there, over the last few millennia  there have been countless religions and even more gods than religion, What makes your one the right one? Your just taking a stab in the dark that yours is correct. whatever prophet is yours may be completely wrong. How do you know that one of the religions that's fallen out of favour isnt the one true religion? Atenism,paganism,greek. More than liklely they are all wrong because of butchering of religious texts over the years to suit whomever was in charge.

Tell me when were you first indoctrinated? at birth or later in life?

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December 24, 2015, 09:19:07 PM
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I a attempting to believe in nothing but trying to think how stuff works around me and why/how people believe the non-existent's.

A materialistic explanation for Near Death Experience is non-existent. These experiences are known to be medically unexplainable. If you are trying to think about how stuff works, why don't you think about my reply to you, including the 52 points of evidence and evidence from quantum biology; why do you choose instead to ignore it?
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1054513.msg13328132#msg13328132

I dont accept your gods and see no reason to capitalise your god

Why accept humanism? Humanism teaches that there is no life after death, but the truth is that we can shape what happens to us in the afterlife by our beliefs and decisions in this life.

I'm not at my pc so I can't really write out everything I would like to right now but basically all those facts can also be easily explained by science.  

What about the facts of NDE? How can science explain them? I have not heard a rational argument about this from you and the other atheists in this thread, including OP.
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Now you are serving punch! Fruit punch? or Hawaiian? Right in the face where it usually goes... the mouth. But you won't give Godly people any?

 Cheesy

You keep focusing on the wrong people.


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When is the penny going to drop that BADecker is NOT on your side?
Your Catholic, he's Christian. Both different cults.

In his eyes your his competitor, a threat to his cult he's convinced himself will burn in lake of fire. An opponent. The oppoosition. An adversary.

WAKE UP!




Its a bit of a shame, Its religion that separates them or else they might well have been friends.

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Tell me when were you first indoctrinated? at birth or later in life?

Good question; I will give you my answer:

I studied all religious and inspired texts that were available to me; the first "religious" book I ever read was Tao Te Ching and it was a helpful touchstone for me in late adolescence when I dropped the religion of my parents (Christianity) and founded the atheist/secular club at my university. The timeless wisdom of Tao led me to a deep appreciation of the mystery of life and the universe; eventually, I found the truth that I was seeking, but it was a lot of hard work to remove the last layers of cultural brainwashing and like I said: I studied all texts that were available to me, so I came to my own conclusions only after I knew what each faith actually taught; Tao helped by teaching me that patience and openness are virtues; my atheist friends did not really talk about virtue so I distanced myself from them. As a science student, I was very interested in the origin of life and the universe; this was one of the mysteries which drew me into my spiritual studies; it led me to examine the nature of reality by reading all of the authors and texts which attempted to answer that question so that I could find and discern the truth for myself, without any outside mental conditioning.
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I a attempting to believe in nothing but trying to think how stuff works around me and why/how people believe the non-existent's.

A materialistic explanation for Near Death Experience is non-existent. These experiences are known to be medically unexplainable. If you are trying to think about how stuff works, why don't you think about my reply to you, including the 52 points of evidence and evidence from quantum biology; why do you choose instead to ignore it?
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1054513.msg13328132#msg13328132

I dont accept your gods and see no reason to capitalise your god

Why accept humanism? Humanism teaches that there is no life after death, but the truth is that we can shape what happens to us in the afterlife by our beliefs and decisions in this life.

I'm not at my pc so I can't really write out everything I would like to right now but basically all those facts can also be easily explained by science.  

What about the facts of NDE? How can science explain them? I have not heard a rational argument about this from you and the other atheists in this thread, including OP.

I did cover nde's briefly some posts back and it was basicly due to brain chemistry/endorphins release causing hallucinations. It could be semi lucid dreaming. I read a study a while back that showed that those who floated above their beds actually got detail wrong about colour of sheets etc and who was in the room so more than likely nothing supernatural. not to mention lack of oxygen is going to seriously alter what your brain thinks is happening.

And like i said before im open minded, i just cant believe the ridiculous unless im given hard proof. I mean real proof not the kind that BADecker spouts that shows no proof whatsoever.

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I have no negative feeling for anyone whos posted anything to do with religion here even if they might for me.


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Tell me when were you first indoctrinated? at birth or later in life?

Good question; I will give you my answer:

I studied all religious and inspired texts that were available to me; the first "religious" book I ever read was Tao Te Ching and it was a helpful touchstone for me in late adolescence when I dropped the religion of my parents (Christianity) and founded the atheist/secular club at my university. The timeless wisdom of Tao led me to a deep appreciation of the mystery of life and the universe; eventually, I found the truth that I was seeking, but it was a lot of hard work to remove the last layers of cultural brainwashing and like I said: I studied all texts that were available to me, so I came to my own conclusions only after I knew what each faith actually taught; Tao helped by teaching me that patience and openness are virtues; my atheist friends did not really talk about virtue so I distanced myself from them. As a science student, I was very interested in the origin of life and the universe; this was one of the mysteries which drew me into my spiritual studies; it led me to examine the nature of reality by reading all of the authors and texts which attempted to answer that question so that I could find and discern the truth for myself, without any outside mental conditioning.

I cant really argue with that, you made you're decisions based on you're own evidence. Im glad you decided for yourself even if i don't agree with it.

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