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December 23, 2015, 03:25:06 PM
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Because people love to hate when is not the same.
Those atheists are just idiot for hating I don't know why people will just make the time to hate.
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December 23, 2015, 03:27:57 PM
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I started to read this thread, but it's very long, and it seems to be based on the belief that agnostics are atheists. This is not true.

Yes it is.

Agnosticism is the lack of Faith in God.
You can be soooo dense at times. All you have to do is look them both up in the dictionary to see that they are different.

Besides, Jet Cash was talking about the difference between them... not the similarity. You can be such a child at times.



Ok so im obviously too stupid to put together those 3 concepts that you have posted because theres no way i can put those together and come up with that meaning god, And im blind as well because i certainly cant see god in nature.The reason i dont see what you see is because my mind is not poisoned with religion as yours clearly is.

I suppose im lucky we are only conversing over the internet because in another time or place im sure you would be happy to see me stoned or crucified for my complete and utter lack of faith.

Tell me, What would it take to convince you that your worshipping a false idol and there is in fact no god? Im going to assume it cant be done.

Why do you hate Religion?


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It's kinda interesting how helloeverybody hates religion. He hates it religiously.

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religion i dont really have that much of an issue with, I mean obviously i would rather people didnt rely on it as their source of comfort, im also aware that even if some alien race landed on earth and explained that all these religion were nonsense that every religion would have some way of explaining this. I wouild imagine demons would be the answer. anyway what i do hate is the things people do in the name of religion.

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December 23, 2015, 03:38:19 PM
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It's kinda interesting how helloeverybody hates religion. He hates it religiously.
You are sensationalizing stuff.There is a big difference between believing/following something and thinking to hate something.
Hating something has got nothing to with the community or following something that is assumed to be better than human's in every aspect.

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December 23, 2015, 03:45:41 PM
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Ok so im obviously too stupid to put together those 3 concepts that you have posted because theres no way i can put those together and come up with that meaning god, And im blind as well because i certainly cant see god in nature.The reason i dont see what you see is because my mind is not poisoned with religion as yours clearly is.

I suppose im lucky we are only conversing over the internet because in another time or place im sure you would be happy to see me stoned or crucified for my complete and utter lack of faith.

Tell me, What would it take to convince you that your worshipping a false idol and there is in fact no god? Im going to assume it cant be done.

Okay, I'll help you. Because I'm not doing anything to you. You are doing it to yourself by ignoring God.

1. Cause and Effect.

Everything that we know in the universe operates by cause and effect. Everything that happens, happens because something, or many things cause it to happen the way it happens.

A pool/billiards shark might hit a ball that hits another, that hits a third, that hits a fourth, that hits the fifth into the pocket. If he does this knowingly, under complete control, he is a very good pool player.

Generally, a pool player might hit a ball, and who knows what will happen? Someone might call this random, but it isn't. It all operates by cause and effect. The difference is that a weak pool player doesn't know what he is doing. If he gets a ball into a pocket, the causes for that effect are unknown, or are at least unclear.

Atoms are pool balls in the universe. Over thousands of years they have been bumping into each other in ways that we would call random. They aren't random, however. Why not? Because according to the law of cause and effect, they are acting out the laws of the universe perfectly.

2. Universal Complexity.

Over the thousands of years, what have all these bumping "pool" atoms produced? they have produce complexity that is far beyond anything that we can imagine.

A super pool player might on occasion be able to foresee how he can hit one ball that will form a string of ball hits where the fifth one will go into a selected pocket. Nature has been doing this for thousands of years with untold trillions of causes that produce effects that are causes of other effects that produce the complexity of the brain and mind of mankind.

This means that whatever started the cause and effect action of the universe thousands of years ago, must have been smarter than the mind and brain of mankind. Why? Because there is no cause that we can begin to imagine, that is able to produce effects that produce something as great as the complexity of man.

Even the pool player can only go a few levels deep with something as simple as "a pocket" at the end. But the universe has been going untold trillions of levels deep with great complexity at the end.

3. Universal Entropy.

We don't see any cause clearly within the universe, that could have started all the complexity. Something must have started it, but we simply have not a clue as to what it is. The thing that we understand is that everything is trying to equalize among the space of the universe. Both energy and material are trying to disperse evenly throughout.

True, by the time all matter and energy have dispersed evenly throughout all space, at the current rate, untold amounts of time will have passed. And the thing that might even make it all take longer is, time itself might be trying to disperse in ways we don't understand.



The point is, there is something out there that could set up the great pool operation of the universe to extreme complexity even in the face of the forestalling forces of entropy. If there were no complexity like the brain and mind of man, we might say that whatever it might be is relatively unintelligent. But since there is complexity over thousands of years of cause and effect in the face of entropy, whatever it is, is way beyond the brain and mind of man to be able to do something like this. The definition of "God" applies.



My explanation is weak, because a book could be written. And, you can talk your way all around it if you want. But if you are sincere in your desire for understanding about this, consider it deeply. Because it essentially proves that God exists... even though it doesn't tell much about God without a whole lot more explanation of the things of the universe, and the way they apply to mankind.


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December 23, 2015, 03:47:04 PM
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It's kinda interesting how helloeverybody hates religion. He hates it religiously.
You are sensationalizing stuff.There is a big difference between believing/following something and thinking to hate something.
Hating something has got nothing to with the community or following something that is assumed to be better than human's in every aspect.

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December 23, 2015, 03:53:47 PM
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It's kinda interesting how helloeverybody hates religion. He hates it religiously.
You are sensationalizing stuff.There is a big difference between believing/following something and thinking to hate something.
Hating something has got nothing to with the community or following something that is assumed to be better than human's in every aspect.

You don't like the way I play with BitNow? Party pooper.

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Bitnow doesn't seems to be old enough and i don't know what gives him the confidence that his religion is the righteous one.
There are more gods than human's and all are meant to be worshiped ?

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December 23, 2015, 03:55:54 PM
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Well I don't hate religion and I am atheists I am find with it.
Some time I think that god exist so yeah. And who care don't mind those people who hate.
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December 23, 2015, 03:57:57 PM
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I started to read this thread, but it's very long, and it seems to be based on the belief that agnostics are atheists. This is not true.

Yes it is.

Agnosticism is the lack of Faith in God.
You can be soooo dense at times. All you have to do is look them both up in the dictionary to see that they are different.

Besides, Jet Cash was talking about the difference between them... not the similarity. You can be such a child at times.


They both don't have faith in God... so: same category.


Best regards.

But, sameness wasn't what Jet Cash was talking about. He was talking about their differences. Because they are different, and because this topic is about atheism and religion, what does agnosticism have to do with it? You are always the one who wants to stay on topic.

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December 23, 2015, 03:59:41 PM
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It's kinda interesting how helloeverybody hates religion. He hates it religiously.
You are sensationalizing stuff.There is a big difference between believing/following something and thinking to hate something.
Hating something has got nothing to with the community or following something that is assumed to be better than human's in every aspect.

You don't like the way I play with BitNow? Party pooper.

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Bitnow doesn't seems to be old enough and i don't know what gives him the confidence that his religion is the righteous one.
There are more gods than human's and all are meant to be worshiped ?

We play with kids. I play with BitNow.

There are more lower case "g" gods than what ever. But there is only one God. See https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1054513.msg13337453#msg13337453 above.

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December 23, 2015, 04:03:52 PM
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Well I don't hate religion and I am atheists I am find with it.
Some time I think that god exist so yeah. And who care don't mind those people who hate.

This is a good start. After all, atheism is, or at least is so similar to, religion that it is called religion by many. Recognizing that you are in a religion if you are an atheist, is a start towards seeing the truth of the existence of God.

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December 23, 2015, 04:16:03 PM
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It's kinda interesting how helloeverybody hates religion. He hates it religiously.
You are sensationalizing stuff.There is a big difference between believing/following something and thinking to hate something.
Hating something has got nothing to with the community or following something that is assumed to be better than human's in every aspect.

You don't like the way I play with BitNow? Party pooper.

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Bitnow doesn't seems to be old enough and i don't know what gives him the confidence that his religion is the righteous one.
There are more gods than human's and all are meant to be worshiped ?

We play with kids. I play with BitNow.

There are more lower case "g" gods than what ever. But there is only one God. See https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1054513.msg13337453#msg13337453 above.

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Sadly you are believing the same concept of the guy whom you consider as a child/kid. There is no difference between any capital 'G' gods or lowe case 'g' gods.
and how can one ignore something which doesn't exists ?

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December 23, 2015, 04:20:24 PM
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It's kinda interesting how helloeverybody hates religion. He hates it religiously.
You are sensationalizing stuff.There is a big difference between believing/following something and thinking to hate something.
Hating something has got nothing to with the community or following something that is assumed to be better than human's in every aspect.

You don't like the way I play with BitNow? Party pooper.

 Cheesy
Bitnow doesn't seems to be old enough and i don't know what gives him the confidence that his religion is the righteous one.
There are more gods than human's and all are meant to be worshiped ?

We play with kids. I play with BitNow.

There are more lower case "g" gods than what ever. But there is only one God. See https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1054513.msg13337453#msg13337453 above.

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Sadly you are believing the same concept of the guy whom you consider as a child/kid. There is no difference between any capital 'G' gods or lowe case 'g' gods.
and how can one ignore something which doesn't exists ?

There you go, making a religion for yourself. Since the existence of God is a fact, you are attempting to believe a fiction.

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December 23, 2015, 04:45:45 PM
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It's kinda interesting how helloeverybody hates religion. He hates it religiously.
You are sensationalizing stuff.There is a big difference between believing/following something and thinking to hate something.
Hating something has got nothing to with the community or following something that is assumed to be better than human's in every aspect.

You don't like the way I play with BitNow? Party pooper.

 Cheesy
Bitnow doesn't seems to be old enough and i don't know what gives him the confidence that his religion is the righteous one.
There are more gods than human's and all are meant to be worshiped ?

We play with kids. I play with BitNow.

There are more lower case "g" gods than what ever. But there is only one God. See https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1054513.msg13337453#msg13337453 above.

Smiley
Sadly you are believing the same concept of the guy whom you consider as a child/kid. There is no difference between any capital 'G' gods or lowe case 'g' gods.
and how can one ignore something which doesn't exists ?

There you go, making a religion for yourself. Since the existence of God is a fact, you are attempting to believe a fiction.

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I a attempting to believe in nothing but trying to think how stuff works around me and why/how people believe the non-existent's.

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December 23, 2015, 04:52:27 PM
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But, sameness wasn't what Jet Cash was talking about. He was talking about their differences. Because they are different, and because this topic is about atheism and religion, what does agnosticism have to do with it? You are always the one who wants to stay on topic.

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Exactly: this discussion is a big waste of time.


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December 23, 2015, 05:53:15 PM
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It's kinda interesting how helloeverybody hates religion. He hates it religiously.
You are sensationalizing stuff.There is a big difference between believing/following something and thinking to hate something.
Hating something has got nothing to with the community or following something that is assumed to be better than human's in every aspect.

You don't like the way I play with BitNow? Party pooper.

 Cheesy
Bitnow doesn't seems to be old enough and i don't know what gives him the confidence that his religion is the righteous one.
There are more gods than human's and all are meant to be worshiped ?

We play with kids. I play with BitNow.

There are more lower case "g" gods than what ever. But there is only one God. See https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1054513.msg13337453#msg13337453 above.

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I dont accept your gods and see no reason to capitalise your god, Im well aware of the differences. tell me can you not have a discussion without throwing personal insults left right and centre ? If you want to turn this into a slagging match im more than happy to lower myself to your level but im sure we can agree that theres no need for it.

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December 23, 2015, 07:46:58 PM
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But, sameness wasn't what Jet Cash was talking about. He was talking about their differences. Because they are different, and because this topic is about atheism and religion, what does agnosticism have to do with it? You are always the one who wants to stay on topic.

Smiley

Exactly: this discussion is a big waste of time.


Best regards.

I'll tell you more: the next one is going to say there is a difference between an atheist and an agnostic I'm going to fuck'n punch him in the face... unless he/she is a man/woman of God!


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December 23, 2015, 07:47:18 PM
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It's kinda interesting how helloeverybody hates religion. He hates it religiously.
You are sensationalizing stuff.There is a big difference between believing/following something and thinking to hate something.
Hating something has got nothing to with the community or following something that is assumed to be better than human's in every aspect.

You don't like the way I play with BitNow? Party pooper.

 Cheesy
Bitnow doesn't seems to be old enough and i don't know what gives him the confidence that his religion is the righteous one.
There are more gods than human's and all are meant to be worshiped ?

We play with kids. I play with BitNow.

There are more lower case "g" gods than what ever. But there is only one God. See https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1054513.msg13337453#msg13337453 above.

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I dont accept your gods and see no reason to capitalise your god, Im well aware of the differences. tell me can you not have a discussion without throwing personal insults left right and centre ? If you want to turn this into a slagging match im more than happy to lower myself to your level but im sure we can agree that theres no need for it.
The existence of God looks like an obvious truth to the believers, but to the non-believers it is, as if covered with seven veils. I have gathered some points from every day logic and some from historical prospective to provide a base to prove existence of God to the non-believers. I understand that each point that follows could be a topic for discussion, but I have tried my best to put as much as possible in a limited space.

   All RELIGIONS BELIEVE IN GOD
Its an undeniable fact that all the religions on this earth claim to be from GOD. Hadhrat Muhammad (SAW), Moses, Jesus, Krishna, Buddha, Baba Nanak and every religious leader taught people to believe and worship GOD. Although all religions have slight differences in the attributes they ascribe to God, but all the religions hold the common view that there is a God who has created this universe. History tells us that even those ancient religions that no longer exist in this world, they also held the view of God, whether they were in ancient America, or in jungles of Africa or in England, or in Java or Sumatra, or in Japan and China or in Siberia or in India. It is an important point that what's the reason for this thought provoking unity among so varied religions? In the ancient times people were not linked together through any means of communication or transport, then how is it possible that people living in isolation thousands of mile away from each other, held the common view about the existence of God? Many of the lands were even not discovered at that time.Even now it is difficult for two persons to completely agree on any issue, then how come this universal unanimity regarding existence of God? All these facts lead us to the only possible conclusion that not only there is a living God but also that God has always manifested Himself through some means to his men to make them believe in Him. Historians agree that if there is such universal unanimity about any issue then there is no reason to disagree with it. Another fact worth noting is that there have been a small number of atheists all the times, this proves that the 'existence of God' is not related to any psychological need of human beings. In this world, one can lead ones life without acknowledging the existence of God, though he will be attempting to close his eyes to the very obvious and clear truth.
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December 23, 2015, 07:49:55 PM
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Human nature in itself provides us with a strong inclination towards a belief in God. There are certain sins which human nature doesn't like to get involved in. For instance, relationship with Mother, sister and daughters, uncleanliness owing to certain discharges from body. These are certain things which even a atheist will not like to do. But if there is no fear of a super being, Why not to lie all the times?, why not to steal and commit adultery? What are the reasons that keep them away from these evils? If they do not feel the power of some unseen, then they should do whatever pleases them. Then truth and lie and justice and oppression should be all the same for them. Its only God's fear that is ruling on their hearts. Although their mind does not acknowledge the existence of God but the human nature created by God cannot defy it. So even an atheist at heart holds some view about God and judgment day. While in distress, everybody pray to a super-Being for relief. Why so, if they don't believe in that super-being, whom we call God?
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December 23, 2015, 10:23:34 PM
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I'm not at my pc so I can't really write out everything I would like to right now but basically all those facts can also be easily explained by science.  And not all religions have only 1 god,  a lot have many,  I'm pretty sure buhdism only has a god race but no main god, I may be wrong but think that's the case.

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December 23, 2015, 11:00:57 PM
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Atheism is just another religion
and different religions tend to not like one another Smiley
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