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December 22, 2015, 05:33:04 PM
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Atheists hate Religion because religion tells that they need to die.
So what proves that you are getting an eternal life after death ? assumptions are very different from truths.
One is free to think/believe anything but it ain't a fact or reality.

How did my answer make you think about eternal life?

Because there was the word die?

If so: why you throw the sin of the atheists to me?


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December 22, 2015, 05:33:59 PM
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No, it is not cause if people were that skeptical then there wouldn't be any religions fucking around in 21st century.
you cannot chose any path if you don't have one and make it your believe that it's right.

Are you an atheist?


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I have no religion,  only theories none of which include any gods.  And any theories I do have also arent beliefs, just could be 's.. My religion isn't atheism like many people in this thread are getting to push.

You quoted the message that was not directed to you.

Aside from that: Science (and hence theories) come from the Fear of God
Ref: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fear_of_God

How can you have theories if you have no God?


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Apologies for the wrong quote,  I thought you had quoted me twice so just quoted the last one you made,  I didn't realise you asked the same question to two different people until you mentioned it.  So anyways, back to the question.

I can quote easily have theories without having a god because none of my theories contain any gods,  to me beleif in a God or gods is completely irrational,  someone earlier seemed to take that as me questioning their intelligence which obviously isn't the case.

For example , a theory I could  beleive if is when we die there is nothing,  the same as before we were born.  Thare is no god in this theory and obviously it's very hard to prove but to me a lot less ridiculous than some all powerful all knowing God.

For example , a theory I could  beleive if is when we die there is nothing,  the same as before we were born.  Thare is no god in this theory and obviously it's very hard to prove but to me a lot less ridiculous than some all powerful all knowing God.

Tell me, you were back from the death and you know that after we die there is nothing?

Okay, let me ask you a few question and if you really give me a good answer, then I will be sure that you are the only person who knows the things about religion and God...

1. Tell me, what is the meaning of the word God and is it have any connection to Alien or ET?
2. What is the difference between Supreme, Lord and Christ?
3. You mentioned religion, so I would like to ask you... What will be a definition for the word and how do you describe this people?

Now, lets get back to your theory that after death, there is nothing. I will share you a scientific research where people speak what they see after they back from the death:

1. Light
Most of the people who died, said they saw the famous "light at the end of the tunnel." It is the most common phenomenon that people have when they are technically dead.

2. They could see his body
Many people have this "out of body experience" and saw his lifeless body over them when they were technically dead. That means they were incorporeal spirit hovered over their body. They could not see everything that happens in the room and who's in it. Any attempt to renew the relationship between consciousness and the physical body will fail, leaving a person out of himself a few moments.

3. Guardian Angel
Many people claim to have seen at least one angel or spirit who watches and cares for them during a brief stop in the "death abyss." Some say that the spirit helped through the afterlife before being sent back to their body.

4. A visit from her mother
Many people say that they visited their mother through vision, while they were on their deathbed.

5. Saw deceased relatives
If you have a large family, get ready to see them in the afterlife. Many have died and returned back again in life, they say they saw their relatives died while stopped in the afterlife.

6. The life passing before their eyes
Prepare again to experience your best and worst moments. Many people see life before the eyes right before the coming of death, or even after you switch sides. See their achievements and their memories are appearing before his eyes as a slideshow of her life.

7. They could see and hear all
Many people told that they could see the people who were with them in the room and tried to contact them but could not respond because their body was lifeless and their spirit / consciousness remained awake. Any attempt to get in touch with the people around them in vain.

8. Peace
The majority of deaths that again revived, said they felt a sense of peace and tranquility. It was so powerful and beautiful feeling soul / mind did not know how to find it reassuring experience.

9. Do not want to return
According to numerous reports, the mortal experience is so calming and serene, so many people who have experienced did not want to return to waking life. Imagine how you feel something as well, so you do not want to go back in life that you fought very hard to maintain.

Sorry if there is some mistakes in the translations, because the text is on Macedonian. Smiley

Apologies for the late reply, i can answer your questions.

First off i dont know that theres nothing after death i just find the possibility that theres nothing at all as very plausible when comparing it to god type religions.

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1. Tell me, what is the meaning of the word God and is it have any connection to Alien or ET?
the meaning of god is some sort of supreme being that has power over everything. I do think aliens could have been perceived as gods back in the day but i dont think followers of religion would accept ET as their gods, and if ET was for example the god of the old testament then i wouldnt want that god as my god, the only reason to serve such a god would be because of fear of what would happen if you did not, hence i would be a god fearing person. Luckily thats not the case.

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2. What is the difference between Supreme, Lord and Christ?
To me these words dont hold much value , I mean i could tell you what the dictionary would say about these words but i don't think that's what your asking.

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3. You mentioned religion, so I would like to ask you... What will be a definition for the word and how do you describe this people?
I can give you the definitive definition for this
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the belief in and worship of a superhuman controlling power, especially a personal God or gods.


As for NDE's , Its an interesting subject but many scientific tests have been carried out to disprove this, there are also not as many of these as you might expect and often accounts vary greatlly depending on the religion of the person having the NDE. Obviously when the body is under great stress ie dying, all kinds of endorphins are released by the body which can quite easily cause hallucinations.


For everyone else that is describing atheism/every human being as religious this is the oxford dictionary's official definition of religion.   


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religion
rɪˈlɪdʒ(ə)n/
noun
noun: religion

    the belief in and worship of a superhuman controlling power, especially a personal God or gods.

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December 22, 2015, 05:38:30 PM
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Atheists are good at covering their fear up in their minds. But when trauma happens, this mental self control disappears.
So what is it proving ? it's human instincts against fear and particularly fear of unknown.

Atheists hate Religion because religion tells that they need to die.
So what proves that you are getting an eternal life after death ? assumptions are very different from truths.
One is free to think/believe anything but it ain't a fact or reality.

How did my answer make you think about eternal life?

Because there was the word die?

If so: why you throw the sin of the atheists to me?


Best regards.
But you are nothing different other than the point of view you have which is depending on your background and familiarity.

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December 22, 2015, 05:42:18 PM
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Atheists hate Religion because religion tells that they need to die.
So what proves that you are getting an eternal life after death ? assumptions are very different from truths.
One is free to think/believe anything but it ain't a fact or reality.

You are free to think that
"there is no scientific research on people ever who came back to life after death"
but it is not a fact; actually, it is contradicted by a lot of research.
There is abundant evidence that “the world beyond” is not separated from this world by an impassable wall; in fact, a single reality embraces all worlds, all times and places.
There is strong empirical evidence that the personality survives death; if you study the 52 points of evidence I linked, it will likely convince you of that. What YOU personally think about death is not important since it is not based upon any scientific evidence. NDE research has show that your experience "up there" reflects your present beliefs, expectations, and level of awareness. In the here and now you can shape what happens after you die.

There is also some confirmation of the spiritual point of view from advances in quantum physics and consciousness research, as I mentioned earlier:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/stuart-hameroff/more-rational-than-thou-a_b_7515498.html

None of this should be used to justify "religion" or "eternal life"; I am just saying that you have to think about the evidence because it contradicts the traditional humanist assumptions.
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The obvious is that God exists. If you want to suggest that faith in the obvious is breaking the 1st Commandment, then you are suggesting that the 1st Commandment is against itself.


Can you just kill the atheists or at least ignore them?

Fixing your head on problems is the same of throwing shit on things: not a smart thing to do.


Best regards.

God doesn't want to kill the atheists. He wants to save them. If and when the atheists are to be killed, God will do it Himself. Jesus speaking in Matthew 13:24-30:
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24 Jesus told them another parable: “The kingdom of heaven is like a man who sowed good seed in his field.

25 But while everyone was sleeping, his enemy came and sowed weeds among the wheat, and went away.

26 When the wheat sprouted and formed heads, then the weeds also appeared.

27 “The owner’s servants came to him and said, ‘Sir, didn’t you sow good seed in your field? Where then did the weeds come from?’

28 “ ‘An enemy did this,’ he replied. “The servants asked him, ‘Do you want us to go and pull them up?’

29 “ ‘No,’ he answered, ‘because while you are pulling the weeds, you may root up the wheat with them.

30 Let both grow together until the harvest. At that time I will tell the harvesters: First collect the weeds and tie them in bundles to be burned; then gather the wheat and bring it into my barn.’ ”

There was a time when you and I were unbelievers, just like the atheists. God had mercy on us, because He knew that we were part of His kingdom. He waited until we came to faith in Him, and here we are, in His kingdom.

In other words, we were wheat while we were yet unbelievers. But when we came to faith, our quality of being wheat became evident.

Give the atheists more time. Some of them are members of the Kingdom of God, and simply haven't come in yet. God, Himself, will determine when the times of the atheists are finished.

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December 22, 2015, 05:46:02 PM
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The obvious is that God exists. If you want to suggest that faith in the obvious is breaking the 1st Commandment, then you are suggesting that the 1st Commandment is against itself.


Can you just kill the atheists or at least ignore them?

Fixing your head on problems is the same of throwing shit on things: not a smart thing to do.


Best regards.

God doesn't want to kill the atheists. He wants to save them. If and when the atheists are to be killed, God will do it Himself. Jesus speaking in Matthew 13:24-30:
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24 Jesus told them another parable: “The kingdom of heaven is like a man who sowed good seed in his field.

25 But while everyone was sleeping, his enemy came and sowed weeds among the wheat, and went away.

26 When the wheat sprouted and formed heads, then the weeds also appeared.

27 “The owner’s servants came to him and said, ‘Sir, didn’t you sow good seed in your field? Where then did the weeds come from?’

28 “ ‘An enemy did this,’ he replied. “The servants asked him, ‘Do you want us to go and pull them up?’

29 “ ‘No,’ he answered, ‘because while you are pulling the weeds, you may root up the wheat with them.

30 Let both grow together until the harvest. At that time I will tell the harvesters: First collect the weeds and tie them in bundles to be burned; then gather the wheat and bring it into my barn.’ ”

There was a time when you and I were unbeliever, just like the atheists. God had mercy on us, because He knew that we were part of His kingdom. He waited until we came to faith in Him, and here we are, in His kingdom.

In other words, we were wheat while we were yet unbelievers. But when we came to faith, our quality of being wheat became evident.

Give the atheists more time. some of them are members of the Kingdom of God, and simply haven't come in yet. God, Himself, will determine when the times of the atheists are finished.

Smiley

So what your saying is its luck of the draw and some people will be born unlucky and never be accepted by your god? Maybe they will be indoctrinated into the "wrong" religion at birth ?

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December 22, 2015, 05:47:24 PM
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Atheists are good at covering their fear up in their minds. But when trauma happens, this mental self control disappears.
So what is it proving ? it's human instincts against fear and particularly fear of unknown.

There are no atheists in foxholes. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/There_are_no_atheists_in_foxholes.

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December 22, 2015, 05:51:16 PM
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The obvious is that God exists. If you want to suggest that faith in the obvious is breaking the 1st Commandment, then you are suggesting that the 1st Commandment is against itself.


Can you just kill the atheists or at least ignore them?

Fixing your head on problems is the same of throwing shit on things: not a smart thing to do.


Best regards.

God doesn't want to kill the atheists. He wants to save them. If and when the atheists are to be killed, God will do it Himself. Jesus speaking in Matthew 13:24-30:
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24 Jesus told them another parable: “The kingdom of heaven is like a man who sowed good seed in his field.

25 But while everyone was sleeping, his enemy came and sowed weeds among the wheat, and went away.

26 When the wheat sprouted and formed heads, then the weeds also appeared.

27 “The owner’s servants came to him and said, ‘Sir, didn’t you sow good seed in your field? Where then did the weeds come from?’

28 “ ‘An enemy did this,’ he replied. “The servants asked him, ‘Do you want us to go and pull them up?’

29 “ ‘No,’ he answered, ‘because while you are pulling the weeds, you may root up the wheat with them.

30 Let both grow together until the harvest. At that time I will tell the harvesters: First collect the weeds and tie them in bundles to be burned; then gather the wheat and bring it into my barn.’ ”

There was a time when you and I were unbeliever, just like the atheists. God had mercy on us, because He knew that we were part of His kingdom. He waited until we came to faith in Him, and here we are, in His kingdom.

In other words, we were wheat while we were yet unbelievers. But when we came to faith, our quality of being wheat became evident.

Give the atheists more time. some of them are members of the Kingdom of God, and simply haven't come in yet. God, Himself, will determine when the times of the atheists are finished.

Smiley

So what your saying is its luck of the draw and some people will be born unlucky and never be accepted by your god? Maybe they will be indoctrinated into the "wrong" religion at birth ?

No. What it is, is, there are those who want to twist what I am saying, and there are those who are too ignorant to figure something simple out.

As I said. God is giving the atheists opportunity to be saved. There is no excuse. God holds the way open for all. And He does it for each person individually in ways that each person can understand.

But, if you think that God's ways are unfair, don't let your thinking cause you to be against Him. If you do, you will miss out on eternal life in joy and glory.

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December 22, 2015, 05:57:24 PM
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Atheists hate Religion because religion tells that they need to die.
So what proves that you are getting an eternal life after death ? assumptions are very different from truths.
One is free to think/believe anything but it ain't a fact or reality.

You are free to think that
"there is no scientific research on people ever who came back to life after death"
but it is not a fact; actually, it is contradicted by a lot of research.
There is abundant evidence that “the world beyond” is not separated from this world by an impassable wall; in fact, a single reality embraces all worlds, all times and places.
There is strong empirical evidence that the personality survives death; if you study the 52 points of evidence I linked, it will likely convince you of that. What YOU personally think about death is not important since it is not based upon any scientific evidence. NDE research has show that your experience "up there" reflects your present beliefs, expectations, and level of awareness. In the here and now you can shape what happens after you die.

There is also some confirmation of the spiritual point of view from advances in quantum physics and consciousness research, as I mentioned earlier:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/stuart-hameroff/more-rational-than-thou-a_b_7515498.html

None of this should be used to justify "religion" or "eternal life"; I am just saying that you have to think about the evidence because it contradicts the traditional humanist assumptions.

So far, the world beyond is farther away than Mars. We might someday be able to send people to Mars. But we will all die out long before we can send someone to the far stars.

All people who came back to life from death, are either still alive and under 200 years old, or they have died again... permanently this time. But if there is someone who is over 200, he/she is one in billions.

Perhaps mankind can figure out a way to guarantee his own eternal life, but if he can, it will take an eternity to do so. Why? Because of the enormous complexity of things.

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December 22, 2015, 06:01:53 PM
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Atheists hate Religion because religion tells that they need to die.
So what proves that you are getting an eternal life after death ? assumptions are very different from truths.
One is free to think/believe anything but it ain't a fact or reality.

Since the answer to this one is easy, I'll contribute.

God told us how He gives us eternal life through His Son Jesus, in the Bible.

How do you know that it is a fact that "One is free to think/believe anything but it ain't a fact or reality?"

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The obvious is that God exists. If you want to suggest that faith in the obvious is breaking the 1st Commandment, then you are suggesting that the 1st Commandment is against itself.


Can you just kill the atheists or at least ignore them?

Fixing your head on problems is the same of throwing shit on things: not a smart thing to do.


Best regards.

God doesn't want to kill the atheists. He wants to save them. If and when the atheists are to be killed, God will do it Himself. Jesus speaking in Matthew 13:24-30:
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24 Jesus told them another parable: “The kingdom of heaven is like a man who sowed good seed in his field.

25 But while everyone was sleeping, his enemy came and sowed weeds among the wheat, and went away.

26 When the wheat sprouted and formed heads, then the weeds also appeared.

27 “The owner’s servants came to him and said, ‘Sir, didn’t you sow good seed in your field? Where then did the weeds come from?’

28 “ ‘An enemy did this,’ he replied. “The servants asked him, ‘Do you want us to go and pull them up?’

29 “ ‘No,’ he answered, ‘because while you are pulling the weeds, you may root up the wheat with them.

30 Let both grow together until the harvest. At that time I will tell the harvesters: First collect the weeds and tie them in bundles to be burned; then gather the wheat and bring it into my barn.’ ”

There was a time when you and I were unbeliever, just like the atheists. God had mercy on us, because He knew that we were part of His kingdom. He waited until we came to faith in Him, and here we are, in His kingdom.

In other words, we were wheat while we were yet unbelievers. But when we came to faith, our quality of being wheat became evident.

Give the atheists more time. some of them are members of the Kingdom of God, and simply haven't come in yet. God, Himself, will determine when the times of the atheists are finished.

Smiley

So what your saying is its luck of the draw and some people will be born unlucky and never be accepted by your god? Maybe they will be indoctrinated into the "wrong" religion at birth ?

No. What it is, is, there are those who want to twist what I am saying, and there are those who are too ignorant to figure something simple out.

As I said. God is giving the atheists opportunity to be saved. There is no excuse. God holds the way open for all. And He does it for each person individually in ways that each person can understand.

But, if you think that God's ways are unfair, don't let your thinking cause you to be against Him. If you do, you will miss out on eternal life in joy and glory.

Smiley


Your god doesnt give any choices, You must accept the exceptionally unlikely possibility that your god is real but if you dont and your wrong then burn in hell for all of eternity. ridiculous scare mongering. Is there no doubt in your mind that if there is a correct religion then you've picked the wrong one?


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God told us how He gives us eternal life through His Son Jesus, in the Bible.

This is all from a book some guy wrote a few thousand years ago and your taking it as gospel. Imagine what would happen if they found harry potter in a few thousand years.

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December 22, 2015, 06:05:32 PM
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The obvious is that God exists. If you want to suggest that faith in the obvious is breaking the 1st Commandment, then you are suggesting that the 1st Commandment is against itself.


Can you just kill the atheists or at least ignore them?

Fixing your head on problems is the same of throwing shit on things: not a smart thing to do.


Best regards.

God doesn't want to kill the atheists. He wants to save them. If and when the atheists are to be killed, God will do it Himself. Jesus speaking in Matthew 13:24-30:
Quote
24 Jesus told them another parable: “The kingdom of heaven is like a man who sowed good seed in his field.

25 But while everyone was sleeping, his enemy came and sowed weeds among the wheat, and went away.

26 When the wheat sprouted and formed heads, then the weeds also appeared.

27 “The owner’s servants came to him and said, ‘Sir, didn’t you sow good seed in your field? Where then did the weeds come from?’

28 “ ‘An enemy did this,’ he replied. “The servants asked him, ‘Do you want us to go and pull them up?’

29 “ ‘No,’ he answered, ‘because while you are pulling the weeds, you may root up the wheat with them.

30 Let both grow together until the harvest. At that time I will tell the harvesters: First collect the weeds and tie them in bundles to be burned; then gather the wheat and bring it into my barn.’ ”

There was a time when you and I were unbeliever, just like the atheists. God had mercy on us, because He knew that we were part of His kingdom. He waited until we came to faith in Him, and here we are, in His kingdom.

In other words, we were wheat while we were yet unbelievers. But when we came to faith, our quality of being wheat became evident.

Give the atheists more time. some of them are members of the Kingdom of God, and simply haven't come in yet. God, Himself, will determine when the times of the atheists are finished.

Smiley

So what your saying is its luck of the draw and some people will be born unlucky and never be accepted by your god? Maybe they will be indoctrinated into the "wrong" religion at birth ?

No. What it is, is, there are those who want to twist what I am saying, and there are those who are too ignorant to figure something simple out.

As I said. God is giving the atheists opportunity to be saved. There is no excuse. God holds the way open for all. And He does it for each person individually in ways that each person can understand.

But, if you think that God's ways are unfair, don't let your thinking cause you to be against Him. If you do, you will miss out on eternal life in joy and glory.

Smiley


Your god doesnt give any choices, You must accept the exceptionally unlikely possibility that your god is real but if you dont and your wrong then burn in hell for all of eternity. ridiculous scare mongering. Is there no doubt in your mind that if there is a correct religion then you've picked the wrong one?

There's no such thing as burning in hell forever and ever. Our souls are not immortal. We get the gift of an immortal soul through faith in Jesus.
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December 22, 2015, 06:06:06 PM
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Outside of the things that God does directly, there is no supernatural. All is complex science.

To say it another way, since God made everything including science, and since man can only investigate science but not make it, everything is supernatural, because without nature being in existence, nobody could make it.

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Seriously dude science is not a thing to be made lol at this point you're just flabbergasting me with your stupid remarks please continue.

Science is investigation. Yet, many people use the word "science" to mean their kitchen cooking range, their car, their washer and dryer, and all kinds of marvels that scientific investigation has led us top be able to build. Thus, science is a lot more than simple investigation. It is also the things that are made because of science. Science can be and is made.

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December 22, 2015, 06:12:09 PM
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There's no such thing as burning in hell forever and ever. Our souls are not immortal. We get the gift of an immortal soul through faith in Jesus.

Jesus speaking in Matthew 25:46:
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Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.

See http://www.compellingtruth.org/human-soul-mortal-immortal.html for places in the Bible that say or suggest that the soul is eternal.

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December 22, 2015, 06:18:11 PM
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There's no such thing as burning in hell forever and ever. Our souls are not immortal. We get the gift of an immortal soul through faith in Jesus.

Jesus speaking in Matthew 25:46:
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Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.

See http://www.compellingtruth.org/human-soul-mortal-immortal.html for places in the Bible that say or suggest that the soul is eternal.

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So burn forever or just a wee while? can you not see that the god you describe is like a hormonal teenager trying to get everything his way. Why is he so needy that if you dont accept him you would go to hell? If hes all knowing then he already knows whos going to accept him and whos not and since he knows that then why bother with a heaven or hell? Whats use is it putting someone into hell? Your god would be sending good people to hell just because hes a complete dick. no offense.

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December 22, 2015, 06:19:03 PM
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Our souls are not immortal. We get the gift of an immortal soul through faith in Jesus.
Jesus never said anything like that. Actually, he urged you NOT to worship him. Of course, you would never suspect this if you only read 4 of the 28 written gospels, i.e. the four that were approved by the Church of Rome.
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December 22, 2015, 06:20:40 PM
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Atheists are good at covering their fear up in their minds. But when trauma happens, this mental self control disappears.
So what is it proving ? it's human instincts against fear and particularly fear of unknown.

There are no atheists in foxholes. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/There_are_no_atheists_in_foxholes.

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December 22, 2015, 06:21:14 PM
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No. What it is, is, there are those who want to twist what I am saying, and there are those who are too ignorant to figure something simple out.

As I said. God is giving the atheists opportunity to be saved. There is no excuse. God holds the way open for all. And He does it for each person individually in ways that each person can understand.

But, if you think that God's ways are unfair, don't let your thinking cause you to be against Him. If you do, you will miss out on eternal life in joy and glory.

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Your god doesnt give any choices, You must accept the exceptionally unlikely possibility that your god is real but if you dont and your wrong then burn in hell for all of eternity. ridiculous scare mongering. Is there no doubt in your mind that if there is a correct religion then you've picked the wrong one?
God holds one choice open for us: Allowance to believe in Him or not. Also, He measures the strength of that faith. Then He acts to adjust the universe according to the direction of our faith and the strength of it.

God is not some simple god. He has amazingly great strength, way beyond understanding. If necessary, when a person's faith changes, God goes back to the beginning of creation thousands of years ago, and jiggles and juggles everything to match the change in a person's faith. He does this in ways that do not disturb things that might change stuff for others whose faith has not changed.


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God told us how He gives us eternal life through His Son Jesus, in the Bible.

This is all from a book some guy wrote a few thousand years ago and your taking it as gospel. Imagine what would happen if they found harry potter in a few thousand years.

You are mistaken about the history of how the Bible was written. Look it up.

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December 22, 2015, 06:26:29 PM
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There's no such thing as burning in hell forever and ever. Our souls are not immortal. We get the gift of an immortal soul through faith in Jesus.

Jesus speaking in Matthew 25:46:
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Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.

See http://www.compellingtruth.org/human-soul-mortal-immortal.html for places in the Bible that say or suggest that the soul is eternal.

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So burn forever or just a wee while? can you not see that the god you describe is like a hormonal teenager trying to get everything his way. Why is he so needy that if you dont accept him you would go to hell? If hes all knowing then he already knows whos going to accept him and whos not and since he knows that then why bother with a heaven or hell? Whats use is it putting someone into hell? Your god would be sending good people to hell just because hes a complete dick. no offense.

You talk so funny. God had to be stable beyond understanding to create the universe and to use cause and effect to bring it to this point in time, thousands of years later.

He is needy to save you from your own destruction, because He loves you.

God is all-knowing except for one little, tiny thing. He doesn't know your faith in Him entirely. He has left that unknown open as a choice to you. Yet He works with you in the best way possible so that you can be saved for eternal life rather than eternal torment.

In other words, you are the one that is putting yourself in Hell. God only gives you what you ask for.

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December 22, 2015, 06:30:27 PM
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No. What it is, is, there are those who want to twist what I am saying, and there are those who are too ignorant to figure something simple out.

As I said. God is giving the atheists opportunity to be saved. There is no excuse. God holds the way open for all. And He does it for each person individually in ways that each person can understand.

But, if you think that God's ways are unfair, don't let your thinking cause you to be against Him. If you do, you will miss out on eternal life in joy and glory.

Smiley


Your god doesnt give any choices, You must accept the exceptionally unlikely possibility that your god is real but if you dont and your wrong then burn in hell for all of eternity. ridiculous scare mongering. Is there no doubt in your mind that if there is a correct religion then you've picked the wrong one?
God holds one choice open for us: Allowance to believe in Him or not. Also, He measures the strength of that faith. Then He acts to adjust the universe according to the direction of our faith and the strength of it.

God is not some simple god. He has amazingly great strength, way beyond understanding. If necessary, when a person's faith changes, God goes back to the beginning of creation thousands of years ago, and jiggles and juggles everything to match the change in a person's faith. He does this in ways that do not disturb things that might change stuff for others whose faith has not changed.


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God told us how He gives us eternal life through His Son Jesus, in the Bible.

This is all from a book some guy wrote a few thousand years ago and your taking it as gospel. Imagine what would happen if they found harry potter in a few thousand years.

You are mistaken about the history of how the Bible was written. Look it up.

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people were simple thousands of years ago and their understanding of the world was very simple, It wouldn't take much of a charismatic person to convince people that they were more than human. imagine if someone like david blane was around back then. His powers would be unquestioned, he could tell people whatever he liked and they would lap it up.  And soon as the next town heard these chinese whispers of some magic man the storys would soon get out of hand to the point where you could have thousands of followers. now you have just created a religion.

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