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[tyKiwanuka]

I played over 15.5 classified riders @1.85 in F1 this weekend for medium stakes.

17 cars classified. If Leclerc actually had a brain, it would have been a lot easier (most likely), but anyway the bet was won.

A friend of mine played Perez tb Norris and was fuming when that collision happened near the end. Well, thats betting

[Koal-84]

Yesterday was a good race.Not with the same action that we saw in the first race but a good overall race.Both Ferrari drivers had their fault in the incident.Leclerc has got to Vettel but also Vettel was not careful at all by not checking his mirrors.The major fault is of Leclerc but this incident could have been avoided.

Ferrari needs to instantly change drivers.
There is not clear to them who is the first driver and who is the second in the team.
This is why drivers collide in so many races. The problem is administrative in the team and needs to be solved as soon as possible.

Change driver??, Ferrari always make a driver change but this and the last year the most problem is the management. Many very good drivers and world champion broke at Ferrari and fall short of expectations. Ferrari is a special team with much pressure to win the championship. I think the last Ferrari driver the can form a long winning Ferrari team over years are Schumacher and Lauda.

[LTU_btc]

He is young and he is (was) in a competitive team.
Do you remember Verstappen 2 years ago? He was crashing into ANYone. Give him some time he is talented as few.

He is stronger than Vettel, stronger than a 4times World Champions.

The question is, is Vettel strong or he won only because the RedBull is strong like the Mercedes Today?


2019
7 poles VS 2 poles

https://talkimg.com/images/2023/09/10/mqijC.png
Source: https://www.racing-statistics.com/en/drivers/compare/charles-leclerc/sebastian-vettel/seasons/2019

Yeah, sometimes Leclerc reminds me what Verstappen was doing few years ago. He is still very young and some of his nistakes is understandable because lack of experience and other factors. But I'm not sure that we can say that he is already better than Vettel. Yes, he have more poles and a bit more poles. But he did quite a lot mistakes, but people tend to forget it and focus on what Vettel did wrong.
I don't think that Vettel won all his titles just because he had best car.

[Naida_BR]

Yesterday was a good race.Not with the same action that we saw in the first race but a good overall race.Both Ferrari drivers had their fault in the incident.Leclerc has got to Vettel but also Vettel was not careful at all by not checking his mirrors.The major fault is of Leclerc but this incident could have been avoided.

Ferrari needs to instantly change drivers.
There is not clear to them who is the first driver and who is the second in the team.
This is why drivers collide in so many races. The problem is administrative in the team and needs to be solved as soon as possible.

Change driver??, Ferrari always make a driver change but this and the last year the most problem is the management. Many very good drivers and world champion broke at Ferrari and fall short of expectations. Ferrari is a special team with much pressure to win the championship. I think the last Ferrari driver the can form a long winning Ferrari team over years are Schumacher and Lauda.

Do you real think that Ferrari can win the constructors championship with a Rotation of Vettel and Leclerc?
Even if they had the same car like Mercedes they will never win it. Both drivers are arrogant and they are not team players. Just see how Bottas react in the races when he is driving along Hamilton.

[-CryptoViking-]

Yesterday was a good race.Not with the same action that we saw in the first race but a good overall race.Both Ferrari drivers had their fault in the incident.Leclerc has got to Vettel but also Vettel was not careful at all by not checking his mirrors.The major fault is of Leclerc but this incident could have been avoided.

Ferrari needs to instantly change drivers.
There is not clear to them who is the first driver and who is the second in the team.
This is why drivers collide in so many races. The problem is administrative in the team and needs to be solved as soon as possible.

Change driver??, Ferrari always make a driver change but this and the last year the most problem is the management. Many very good drivers and world champion broke at Ferrari and fall short of expectations. Ferrari is a special team with much pressure to win the championship. I think the last Ferrari driver the can form a long winning Ferrari team over years are Schumacher and Lauda.

Do you real think that Ferrari can win the constructors championship with a Rotation of Vettel and Leclerc?
Even if they had the same car like Mercedes they will never win it. Both drivers are arrogant and they are not team players. Just see how Bottas react in the races when he is driving along Hamilton.

If they had the car they could certainly win the constructors championship, but issue is not the car.Issue with Ferrari is the race management and pit wall with Binotto at the top. They make bad calls when it's the most important and that is what needs to be fixed first, not the drivers.

[Koal-84]

Ferrari have a big management problem not the driver itself, Mercedes have the same problems years ago with Hamilton vs. Rosberg. Many accidents and tense attitude of the drivers but Toto Wolff and Lauda can handle it, that's can't Binotto. Apart from these problems, Ferrari is not competitive.

Many years also Verstappen have many problems with inexperience and accidents but he worked on himself and more routine at time.

[coinlocket$]

Ferrari have a big management problem not the driver itself, Mercedes have the same problems years ago with Hamilton vs. Rosberg. Many accidents and tense attitude of the drivers but Toto Wolff and Lauda can handle it, that's can't Binotto. Apart from these problems, Ferrari is not competitive.

Many years also Verstappen have many problems with inexperience and accidents but he worked on himself and more routine at time.

According to rumors here in Italy the team principal of Ferrari "Mattia Binotto" can be fired on the following GPS if Ferrari will not improve.

They already found the following leader, Antonello Coletta from the GT series.

[-CryptoViking-]

Ferrari have a big management problem not the driver itself, Mercedes have the same problems years ago with Hamilton vs. Rosberg. Many accidents and tense attitude of the drivers but Toto Wolff and Lauda can handle it, that's can't Binotto. Apart from these problems, Ferrari is not competitive.

Many years also Verstappen have many problems with inexperience and accidents but he worked on himself and more routine at time.

According to rumors here in Italy the team principal of Ferrari "Mattia Binotto" can be fired on the following GPS if Ferrari will not improve.

They already found the following leader, Antonello Coletta from the GT series.

Do you have a source for that, would like to read it. I personally think that this season would be best to initiate some big structural changes, car is not competitive, Ferrari really does not have too much to lose this season, besides some money.

It would be smart of them to use this as an opportunity to shake things up and make some long awaited changes in the team management.

[swogerino]

Ferrari have a big management problem not the driver itself, Mercedes have the same problems years ago with Hamilton vs. Rosberg. Many accidents and tense attitude of the drivers but Toto Wolff and Lauda can handle it, that's can't Binotto. Apart from these problems, Ferrari is not competitive.

Many years also Verstappen have many problems with inexperience and accidents but he worked on himself and more routine at time.

According to rumors here in Italy the team principal of Ferrari "Mattia Binotto" can be fired on the following GPS if Ferrari will not improve.

They already found the following leader, Antonello Coletta from the GT series.

I agree with rumors if they will happen to be true.Mattia Binotto has had his time at Ferrari and he has not showed anything better than its predecessor which I forgot the name now but it was one guy with white beard.Ferrari is really slow compared to the cars leading the Championship and I would fire him too if he didn’t show any signs of improvement in this upcoming Hungary Gp.

[Naida_BR]

Yesterday was a good race.Not with the same action that we saw in the first race but a good overall race.Both Ferrari drivers had their fault in the incident.Leclerc has got to Vettel but also Vettel was not careful at all by not checking his mirrors.The major fault is of Leclerc but this incident could have been avoided.

Ferrari needs to instantly change drivers.
There is not clear to them who is the first driver and who is the second in the team.
This is why drivers collide in so many races. The problem is administrative in the team and needs to be solved as soon as possible.

Change driver??, Ferrari always make a driver change but this and the last year the most problem is the management. Many very good drivers and world champion broke at Ferrari and fall short of expectations. Ferrari is a special team with much pressure to win the championship. I think the last Ferrari driver the can form a long winning Ferrari team over years are Schumacher and Lauda.

Do you real think that Ferrari can win the constructors championship with a Rotation of Vettel and Leclerc?
Even if they had the same car like Mercedes they will never win it. Both drivers are arrogant and they are not team players. Just see how Bottas react in the races when he is driving along Hamilton.

If they had the car they could certainly win the constructors championship, but issue is not the car.Issue with Ferrari is the race management and pit wall with Binotto at the top. They make bad calls when it's the most important and that is what needs to be fixed first, not the drivers.

I agree that they have a huge management problem.
This creates a problem to the drivers decision. If Binotto had made clear about the lineup and the driving styles that both drivers should follow we would not have such collides.

[-CryptoViking-]

Ferrari have a big management problem not the driver itself, Mercedes have the same problems years ago with Hamilton vs. Rosberg. Many accidents and tense attitude of the drivers but Toto Wolff and Lauda can handle it, that's can't Binotto. Apart from these problems, Ferrari is not competitive.

Many years also Verstappen have many problems with inexperience and accidents but he worked on himself and more routine at time.

According to rumors here in Italy the team principal of Ferrari "Mattia Binotto" can be fired on the following GPS if Ferrari will not improve.

They already found the following leader, Antonello Coletta from the GT series.

I agree with rumors if they will happen to be true.Mattia Binotto has had his time at Ferrari and he has not showed anything better than its predecessor which I forgot the name now but it was one guy with white beard.Ferrari is really slow compared to the cars leading the Championship and I would fire him too if he didn’t show any signs of improvement in this upcoming Hungary Gp.

It is Mauricio Arrivabene and to be honest he was at least 5 times better in managing Ferrari team and drivers then Binotto.

Binotto deserved to be fired long ago, I don't see that any upcoming races can change that fact. It should be more then enough to fire him if you look at the state of the car, drivers, team and direction in which Ferrari is going at the moment. Or better said the direction in which Ferrari is certainly not going and that is wining titles.

[coinlocket$]

Next week new race, this time in the Hungarian GP, this track is boring as hell one of the worse.

The only good thing is that Redbull should be very close to Mercedes, this will be also the last call for Ferrari with the full version2 of the car.

[Juggy777]

Ferrari have a big management problem not the driver itself, Mercedes have the same problems years ago with Hamilton vs. Rosberg. Many accidents and tense attitude of the drivers but Toto Wolff and Lauda can handle it, that's can't Binotto. Apart from these problems, Ferrari is not competitive.

Many years also Verstappen have many problems with inexperience and accidents but he worked on himself and more routine at time.

According to rumors here in Italy the team principal of Ferrari "Mattia Binotto" can be fired on the following GPS if Ferrari will not improve.

They already found the following leader, Antonello Coletta from the GT series.

I agree with rumors if they will happen to be true.Mattia Binotto has had his time at Ferrari and he has not showed anything better than its predecessor which I forgot the name now but it was one guy with white beard.Ferrari is really slow compared to the cars leading the Championship and I would fire him too if he didn’t show any signs of improvement in this upcoming Hungary Gp.

It is Mauricio Arrivabene and to be honest he was at least 5 times better in managing Ferrari team and drivers then Binotto.

Binotto deserved to be fired long ago, I don't see that any upcoming races can change that fact. It should be more then enough to fire him if you look at the state of the car, drivers, team and direction in which Ferrari is going at the moment. Or better said the direction in which Ferrari is certainly not going and that is wining titles.

I’ll agree with you’ll that Ferrari should have fired Binotto after last season ended, and hopefully his replacement (Antonello Coletta unofficial though) will do a better job than Binotto ever did.

Next week new race, this time in the Hungarian GP, this track is boring as hell one of the worse.

The only good thing is that Redbull should be very close to Mercedes, this will be also the last call for Ferrari with the full version2 of the car.

@coinlocket$ i feel that we should be optimistic because we’re lucky to see a race in this pandemic, and I would not wager on Redbull because I can’t see Mercedes loosing this race due to their winning habit.

Some Stats for you’ll:

https://www.nytimes.com/reuters/2020/07/15/sports/autoracing/15reuters-motor-f1-hungary.html

Source:

https://www.essentiallysports.com/f1-news-scuderia-ferrari-could-be-lining-up-a-replacement-for-mattia-binotto/

[swogerino]

Next week new race, this time in the Hungarian GP, this track is boring as hell one of the worse.

The only good thing is that Redbull should be very close to Mercedes, this will be also the last call for Ferrari with the full version2 of the car.

This track is decided during qualifying and who comes first out the first turn.That is where the action is and it will be interesting to also see the pace of McLaren here because even when they had a much slower car than this they had the best results of that season here.Adding some rain will make this race awesome.

[-CryptoViking-]

Next week new race, this time in the Hungarian GP, this track is boring as hell one of the worse.

The only good thing is that Redbull should be very close to Mercedes, this will be also the last call for Ferrari with the full version2 of the car.

This track is decided during qualifying and who comes first out the first turn.That is where the action is and it will be interesting to also see the pace of McLaren here because even when they had a much slower car than this they had the best results of that season here.Adding some rain will make this race awesome.

Hungaroring used to be like that traditionally, but it is not anymore. You can overtake on this track now with all the drs, look at the last few years. Add a safety car or rain here and there and you can have pretty interesting and chaotic race.

I hope that new updated version will bring some positive changes, but that does not change the fact that management needs some serious reconstruction. For me the middle of the pack is now much more interesting to watch then fight for the win.

[Koal-84]

Next week new race, this time in the Hungarian GP, this track is boring as hell one of the worse.

The only good thing is that Redbull should be very close to Mercedes, this will be also the last call for Ferrari with the full version2 of the car.

This weekend not only F1 have the next race also this weekend MotoGP at Spain is back, exciting weekend is coming  .

At Hungarian GP i think the same, RedBull are maybe fast as Mercedes.

[coinlocket$]

Ferrari will fail in Hungary too almost for sure  

Binotto has spoken with the press: https://sport.sky.it/formula-1/2020/07/15/f1-gp-ungheria-binotto-ferrari

Basically translated it means: Ferrari needs to be perfect to get some points

At this point the can run with the last's year car and they could go faster 

[LTU_btc]

Next week new race, this time in the Hungarian GP, this track is boring as hell one of the worse.

The only good thing is that Redbull should be very close to Mercedes, this will be also the last call for Ferrari with the full version2 of the car.

Yes, it's one of the most boring tracks in F1 currently, there was only 1 or 2 interesting race in recent years in this track.
But I read that rain is likely this weekend, including Sunday, so it may be game-changer and make things more interesting.

[Cnut237]

Ferrari will fail in Hungary too almost for sure  

I'm sure they will, too. This year is a write-off for them already. In Austria they struggled even to get into the final round of qualifying. They are currently - almost unbelievably - fifth in the constructor's championship. Vettel is over-rated, he is a 4x champion only because of a car that was so much better than the rest, and his (lack of) performance since then has been revealing, particularly his mental state when under pressure. The fact that he's leaving and is no longer the team's single lead driver will mean he is for the rest of the year driving for himself rather than the team. Leclerc is talented but raw, and hampered by both his team mate and what is undeniably - and admitted by Ferrari - a poor car.

They need to do a huge amount of work just to get back level with Red Bull, let alone Mercedes. Given that all teams will now have an eye on the big regulation changes coming up, if Ferrari focus too much on their current car, they may find themselves left behind once again when the new cars come in in 2022.

It's a difficult position, and there is huge pressure on the team.

[erikoy]

Yes, it's one of the most boring tracks in F1 currently, there was only 1 or 2 interesting race in recent years in this track.
But I read that rain is likely this weekend, including Sunday, so it may be game-changer and make things more interesting.

I am not familiar with the current events in racing. It seems I need to read more in regards to it.

However, yes I agree to you the impact of weather conditions in a race. Of course the choice of tires and coarse setting will going to have a chande if rain will come. Indeed it could be a very interesting race to watch.

Does anyone had posted schedules for the race? I like to watch the race since we are in pandemic and still we are in lock down it will be a good time to occupy my time in thos race.