Why I'm an atheist

[BADecker]

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Christians drink, do drugs, hit their wives, sexually abuse their children then go to confession on Sunday and all is good and forgiven....

Well, it's party time.

Enjoy.

No Christian believes or practices this way of life, and if he does, then he is making a mockery of the religion and God. He would not considered to be a real Christian, just someone trying to take advantage of forgiveness. We can lie to others, but we can't lie to ourselves or to God.

Sincerity in repentance is the key to being forgiven.

You are right. But "repentance" alone is too broad.

Dictionary.com says repent means:

to feel sorry, self-reproachful, or contrite for past conduct; regret or be conscience-stricken about a past action, attitude, etc. (often followed by of): He repented after his thoughtless act.

In other words, the most vile of human beings might feel sorry about something he did. He might truly wish he had not done that bad thing. And the fact that he is still alive shows the forgiveness of God.

Okay, great. But what about salvation to eternal life? Nobody can repent enough to make it to Heaven, right? I mean, if you could repent sufficiently in this life, you would stop getting older to the point where you wouldn't die? Why? Because you would be forgiven all the way. Aging shows that people can't repent enough to stay alive.

So, what is it that a person needs to repent of to gain eternal life in Heaven? And if he repents of this, will he stop doing bad things? - after all, he will continue to age. And he still might curse a bit, or smoke and drink at times, or hurt somebody's feelings by what he says, or even steal once in a while, or not honor his parents properly on occasion, or talk bad about someone falsely, or be tempted into having covetous desires for something that is not his, or dabble in science theory which borders on a form of witchcraft if not being such, or if he is a cop, kill somebody.

Repentance of none of these will save him from death to eternal life in Heaven. So, what is it that you have to repent of to get to Heaven?

[BADecker]

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Christians drink, do drugs, hit their wives, sexually abuse their children then go to confession on Sunday and all is good and forgiven....

Well, it's party time.

Enjoy.

No Christian believes or practices this way of life, and if he does, then he is making a mockery of the religion and God. He would not considered to be a real Christian, just someone trying to take advantage of forgiveness. We can lie to others, but we can't lie to ourselves or to God.

Sincerity in repentance is the key to being forgiven.

You are right. But "repentance" alone is too broad.

Dictionary.com says repent means:

to feel sorry, self-reproachful, or contrite for past conduct; regret or be conscience-stricken about a past action, attitude, etc. (often followed by of): He repented after his thoughtless act.

In other words, the most vile of human beings might feel sorry about something he did. He might truly wish he had not done that bad thing. And the fact that he is still alive shows the forgiveness of God.

Okay, great. But what about salvation to eternal life? Nobody can repent enough to make it to Heaven, right? I mean, if you could repent sufficiently in this life, you would stop getting older to the point where you wouldn't die? Why? Because you would be forgiven all the way. Aging shows that people can't repent enough to stay alive.

So, what is it that a person needs to repent of to gain eternal life in Heaven? And if he repents of this, will he stop doing bad things? - after all, he will continue to age. And he still might curse a bit, or smoke and drink at times, or hurt somebody's feelings by what he says, or even steal once in a while, or not honor his parents properly on occasion, or talk bad about someone falsely, or be tempted into having covetous desires for something that is not his, or dabble in science theory which borders on a form of witchcraft if not being such, or if he is a cop, kill somebody.

Repentance of none of these will save him from death to eternal life in Heaven. So, what is it that you have to repent of to get to Heaven?

Have you been hurt so badly that you won't make it to Heaven? Have your enemies really harmed you so badly that they turned you away from God and Heaven? In your case, some of them have repented and made it to Heaven. But you won't even be able to see them from Hell. But if you do see them, your torment will be so great that the sight of them will only bring you more torment.

[Trading]

Some interesting facts:

http://worldhappiness.report/ed/2018/
Countries on the top 10 are some of the most non-religious ones.
I'm not saying that there is a causation relationship between atheism and happiness, but the common myth that religious people are happier was debunked by this report.

On statistics, there are some contradictory visions, but they seem to be caused by opposite trends:

On western countries, including the USA, there is a clear trend to an increase of atheists and other non-religious people. But in Africa and some parts of Asia, demographics are still increasing the number of religious people.

https://news.nationalgeographic.com/2016/04/160422-atheism-agnostic-secular-nones-rising-religion/
"The World's Newest Major Religion: No Religion"
"There have long been predictions that religion would fade from relevancy as the world modernizes, but all the recent surveys are finding that it’s happening startlingly fast."
Even if in Africa "religion is growing so fast that nones’ share of the global population will actually shrink in 25 years".

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/07/23/most-religious-countries-least-religious_n_3640033.html
"Globally, the number of those claiming to be religious has dropped by 9 percent from 2005 to 2011, while the number of people identifying themselves as atheists has risen by 3 percent.
3. Four countries have experienced a drop in religiosity in their populations that is greater than 20 percent between 2005 and 2012. France and Switzerland saw decreases of 21 percent, while Ireland’s number of faithful declined by 22 percent and Vietnam’s by 23 percent."

https://www.conservapedia.com/Global_atheism_statistics
Of course, says "Atheism is in decline worldwide".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_atheism

[michaelkelly8798]

Some interesting facts:

http://worldhappiness.report/ed/2018/
Countries on the top 10 are some of the most non-religious ones.
I'm not saying that there is a causation relationship between atheism and happiness, but the common myth that religious people are happier was debunked by this report.

On statistics, there are some contradictory visions, but they seem to be caused by opposite trends:

On western countries, including the USA, there is a clear trend to an increase of atheists and other non-religious people. But in Africa and some parts of Asia, demographics are still increasing the number of religious people.

https://news.nationalgeographic.com/2016/04/160422-atheism-agnostic-secular-nones-rising-religion/
"The World's Newest Major Religion: No Religion"
"There have long been predictions that religion would fade from relevancy as the world modernizes, but all the recent surveys are finding that it’s happening startlingly fast."
Even if in Africa "religion is growing so fast that nones’ share of the global population will actually shrink in 25 years".

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/07/23/most-religious-countries-least-religious_n_3640033.html
"Globally, the number of those claiming to be religious has dropped by 9 percent from 2005 to 2011, while the number of people identifying themselves as atheists has risen by 3 percent.
3. Four countries have experienced a drop in religiosity in their populations that is greater than 20 percent between 2005 and 2012. France and Switzerland saw decreases of 21 percent, while Ireland’s number of faithful declined by 22 percent and Vietnam’s by 23 percent."

https://www.conservapedia.com/Global_atheism_statistics
Of course, says "Atheism is in decline worldwide".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_atheism

It's supposed to be like that, it's written:
"Matthew 19:24 King James Version (KJV)
24 And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God."

[michaelkelly8798]

It's not related to education, it's more related to pride and self believe of knowing it all. But what if you are not seeing 100% of reality?

[ATMD]

It's not related to education, it's more related to pride and self believe of knowing it all. But what if you are not seeing 100% of reality?

That is exactly what theists are claiming.

[michaelkelly8798]

It's not related to education, it's more related to pride and self believe of knowing it all. But what if you are not seeing 100% of reality?

That is exactly what theists are claiming.

Are you an atheist?

[ATMD]

It's not related to education, it's more related to pride and self believe of knowing it all. But what if you are not seeing 100% of reality?

That is exactly what theists are claiming.

Are you an atheist?

No, I am agreeing with you.

I am claiming that we are not able to see 100% of reality, therefore we can not say that God does not exist.

[BADecker]

It's not related to education, it's more related to pride and self believe of knowing it all. But what if you are not seeing 100% of reality?

That is exactly what theists are claiming.

Are you an atheist?

No, I am agreeing with you.

I am claiming that we are not able to see 100% of reality, therefore we can not say that God does not exist.

And this makes atheism a political activism culture.     

[Spendulus]

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I am claiming that we are not able to see 100% of reality, therefore we can not say that God does not exist.

This is the classical example of a logical error called the "Irrefutable hypothesis."

As such it is not an ANSWER, but is the PROBLEM.

An assertion resulting in conclusions necessarily based on logical errors is a flawed assertion, or the premises it is based on are flawed.

[BADecker]

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I am claiming that we are not able to see 100% of reality, therefore we can not say that God does not exist.

This is the classical example of a logical error called the "Irrefutable hypothesis."

As such it is not an ANSWER, but is the PROBLEM.

An assertion resulting in conclusions necessarily based on logical errors is a flawed assertion, or the premises it is based on are flawed.

These people do not understand what a scientific hypothesis is.  The lack of education is the root cause. 

They don't know that God concept cannot even be a hypothesis as it is not testable and is not falsifiable.

http://projects.ncsu.edu/project/bio183de/Black/science/science_scripts.html

They just dream up shit as they go along to make themselves feel better regardless of the consequences.

You and Spendy have a good point. It might be valid if there wasn't so extremely much evidence for the existence of God. Peruse the Scientific proof that God exists? - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=737322.0 thread, and you can see that there is strong evidence if not proof for the existence of God.

Since there is at least strong evidence, the idea of not knowing that God does NOT exist, because we are so weak in knowledge of what DOES exist, is an extremely valid point.

[michaelkelly8798]

ATHEISTS, HERE SOME MIRACLES:


https://w ww . y outube.c om/watch?v=S_0vnBhz-Co

https://w ww . y outube.c om/watch?v=_360JitiBA0

https://w ww . y outube.c om/watch?v=UbTy3Nr59WM

https://w ww . y outube.c om/watch?v=CSQVR5FWo2o

<< John 20: 26-29

26 A week later his disciples were in the house again, and Thomas was with them. Though the doors were locked, Jesus came and stood among them and said, “Peace be with you!” 27 Then he said to Thomas, “Put your finger here; see my hands. Reach out your hand and put it into my side. Stop doubting and believe.”

28 Thomas said to him, “My Lord and my God!”

29 Then Jesus told him, “Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.” >>

[michaelkelly8798]

And.. a bonus:

https://ww w . y outube.c om/watch?v=6fz-guc0fHA

[Spendulus]

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29 Then Jesus told him, “Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.” >>

I've noted this previously, in response to those fools who look for religious "miracles."

the Bible itself and your very quotes from it strongly suggests that belief cannot be based on facts and evidence.

Accordingly all those religious arguing foolishly about scientific evidence for good should immediately shut the fuck up.

[michaelkelly8798]

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29 Then Jesus told him, “Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.” >>

I've noted this previously, in response to those fools who look for religious "miracles."

the Bible itself and your very quotes from it strongly suggests that belief cannot be based on facts and evidence.

Accordingly all those religious arguing foolishly about scientific evidence for good should immediately shut the fuck up.

I can see from your response how closed minded and biased you are my man, I'm just showing this to glimpse to you atheists and maybe get you to wonder if you've really seen 100% of reality. God is not advertising himself asking us to believe in Him. He doesn't need us, it looks like you've read the Bible, just as a reminder let me tell you that out of all nations, there was only ONE nation that He loved. After Jesus had died for our sins we all got the opportunity to be close to God by just exerting faith in Jesus. The reason Christians are able to perform miracles among the unbelievers is because Jesus wants to show he loves every individual person believer or unbeliever. It doesn't mean however there can't be evidence to prove God is real, you can find it if you look for it. There's historic evidence, social evidence, geological all you can ask for, you simply need to accept what is real instead of showing obsessive enthusiasm towards an idea cause that's called fanaticism.

[michaelkelly8798]

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29 Then Jesus told him, “Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.” >>

I've noted this previously, in response to those fools who look for religious "miracles."

the Bible itself and your very quotes from it strongly suggests that belief cannot be based on facts and evidence.

Accordingly all those religious arguing foolishly about scientific evidence for good should immediately shut the fuck up.

I can see from your response how closed minded and biased you are my man, I'm just showing this to glimpse to you atheists and maybe get you to wonder if you've really seen 100% of reality. God is not advertising himself asking us to believe in Him. He doesn't need us, it looks like you've read the Bible, just as a reminder let me tell you that out of all nations, there was only ONE nation that He loved. After Jesus had died for our sins we all got the opportunity to be close to God by just exerting faith in Jesus. The reason Christians are able to perform miracles among the unbelievers is because Jesus wants to show he loves every individual person believer or unbeliever. It doesn't mean however there can't be evidence to prove God is real, you can find it if you look for it. There's historic evidence, social evidence, geological all you can ask for, you simply need to accept what is real instead of showing obsessive enthusiasm towards an idea cause that's called fanaticism.

Let me help you with your delusion.

Jesus was not a historical person.  The myth was built on many "Joshua" characters.  It was a common name among the Jews.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WUYRoYl7i6U

I've heard that one. You need something better to debate that, something more than just opinions. How can you say something so stupid when even time has been devided in a before and after Christ. Always go for the facts.

[michaelkelly8798]

Whenever you talk about science throughout the years or anything related to history itself you will have to mention His name, like it or not.

[michaelkelly8798]

Exactly.

[Spendulus]

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Jesus was not a historical person.  The myth was built on many "Joshua" characters.  It was a common name among the Jews.
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Well, that argument has been around a long time. I don't think it's been proven or disproven. I listened to a really good audio book some time ago, where the prof did a historical analysis.

https://www.audible.com/pd/The-Historical-Jesus-Audiobook/B00DC8EQOI

I guess I would comment I liked the prof's method of analysis, but of course he could not prove or disprove this question, only cite the evidence and use analytic methods and such.

[ATMD]

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Jesus was not a historical person.  The myth was built on many "Joshua" characters.  It was a common name among the Jews.
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Well, that argument has been around a long time. I don't think it's been proven or disproven. I listened to a really good audio book some time ago, where the prof did a historical analysis.

https://www.audible.com/pd/The-Historical-Jesus-Audiobook/B00DC8EQOI

I guess I would comment I liked the prof's method of analysis, but of course he could not prove or disprove this question, only cite the evidence and use analytic methods and such.

To be fair it is possible that it was a common name among the Jews, however considering that his birth and death have been used as a split on our timeline into BC and AD shows something. To have a modern calendar based on his life is amazing by any standard.