Why I'm an atheist

[BADecker]

..Even though it is not design in itself, it has been designed. ...

Because you wish it was?
We have two things to consider:
1. Interpretations of historical eye witness records;
2. Interpretations of the sciences.
Both of these are flawed. But the part of eye witness records that can't be misinterpreted, is the fact that there was and is intelligence that designed it all, and lives and controls it all right to the present.
Science shows intelligent design in other ways than the eye witness records, and also what appears to be random chaos. But the cause and effect aspect of science shows intelligent design, and that there has been no pure-random/pure-spontaneous-action found to contradict the intelligent design that science shows.

Have you heard of confirmation bias?
Both I, and science, have been trying to show you how you are using confirmation bias to ignore the fact that science shows intelligent design.

You see the design because you want to need to have the universe designed by your (version) of your God.
You don't see the design, because you want to need to have the universe flowing out of wild chaotic randomness. The random that we all see is the fact that we don't know everything. Two things exist regarding random:
1. Things that we know the cause of;
2. Things that we don't know the cause of.
So far we haven't found anything that has spontaneously come into existence without a cause. But we have found countless things that we can identify the cause of. As we move into the philosophy of this (because we can't easily stick this into the realm of science), we see lots of intelligence, simply in our using of philosophy. So even in philosophy we see God likeness. The only difference between us is the particular god/God. You claim to be your own (version) of your God, without realizing that you are doing so, simply by being able to intelligently design your thoughts, actions, and speaking/writing.

BTW, mammals would never have evolved if it was not for a big asteroid wiping out 90% of life on Earth.
You are partially right. The fact is that scientifically nothing would have evolved with or without an asteroid. Evolution as it stands in evolution theory is so far beyond any form of probability that it could happen, that it is impossible.

We would not be here if it was not for the accidents in our past.

Accidents continue, so stay tuned.

There are no accidents. Everything operates through cause and effect, exactly as it is programmed to operate according to the laws of physics. The idea that accidents exist is an intelligent misinterpretation of C&E, caused by C&E acting in those people who think that there are accidents.

Are you saying that our plant and animal history was planned (designed) by your mythological figure?

Wiping of dinosaurs etc.
https://news.nationalgeographic.com/2016/06/what-happened-day-dinosaurs-died-chicxulub-drilling-asteroid-science/

and a rise of mammals:
http://www.bobpickett.org/evolution_of_mammals.htm
https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/evolution/library/03/1/l_031_01.html
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/meet-the-ancient-reptile-that-gave-rise-to-mammals/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wy90_twSQgU

All designed by your character from a book?

You are seriously deluded or simply uneducated.

Notice how all your stuff in your links is written. Much of it is in books. So, the question has to do with which of it is true and which of it is false.

If you don't realize that everything that exists is the effect of one or more causes, you are scientifically quite naive. Show me something that exists without one or more causes making it to exist the way it does. And then show me how those causes are not the effects of other causes.

Even the idea that radioactive half-life exists without cause is wrong. Its cause is simply in a different level than what is usually understood to fit into the idea of cause and effect. The only reason it is interpreted as not having a cause, is that scientists are desperately trying to find something that doesn't have a cause, just so they can suggest that intelligent design might not exist after all.

[BADecker]

Notice how all your stuff in you links is written. Much of it is in books. So, the question has to do with which of it is true and which of it is false.

If you don't realize that everything that exists is the effect of one or more causes, you are scientifically quite naive. Show me something that exists without one or more causes making it to exist the way it does. And then show me how those causes are not the effects of other causes.

Even the idea that radioactive half-life exists without cause is wrong. Its cause is simply in a different level than what is usually understood to fit into the idea of cause and effect. The only reason it is interpreted as not having a cause, is that scientists are desperately trying to find something that doesn't have a cause, just so they can suggest that intelligent design might not exist after all.

That is why science has a self-regulating mechanism to filter out the falsehoods.  It is a peer review, evidence-based process.
It is a work in progress.  New scientific discoveries are made as I type this post.

Unlike the Bible.  You know, human living for 3 days in the stomach of a huge fish and surviving, 6 days universe creation story, talking snake, humans created from dirt generating genetic variance we see today in a mere 6000 years, from one Middle-Eastern couple. LOL.  Not to mention the global flood and Noah's story.  Too far fetched to be included in children's fairy tales.

You are confused, uneducated man.  I see no point of discussing this further.  We are worlds apart.  

The so-called mechanism for filtering out falsehood, only proves to solidify falsehood if the peer reviews agree with something that is wrong. Being popular, or being proclaimed loudly, or being attested to isn't the thing that makes things to be the truth. Only if they ARE the truth, are they the truth.

If you have stories that contradict the Bible stories you mention, it is you who have the fairy tales. Just because your stories are things that are the standard accepted by some people, doesn't make them true. You need more. The fact that there are loads of people who accept Bible stories as true, makes them just as true as your fictional stories. Bible people need more, as well.

We ARE worlds apart. You would like to accept science that makes sense along with other science that doesn't make sense. Because of this you come up with a muddled view that you don't even realize is muddled.

I accept the Bible stories for a couple of reasons. Science shows that they are true. And the Holy Spirit acknowledges them within me.

Btw, you haven't shown me something that factually exists without a cause. Can't answer, so you ignore the point.

[BADecker]

Notice how all your stuff in you links is written. Much of it is in books. So, the question has to do with which of it is true and which of it is false.

If you don't realize that everything that exists is the effect of one or more causes, you are scientifically quite naive. Show me something that exists without one or more causes making it to exist the way it does. And then show me how those causes are not the effects of other causes.

Even the idea that radioactive half-life exists without cause is wrong. Its cause is simply in a different level than what is usually understood to fit into the idea of cause and effect. The only reason it is interpreted as not having a cause, is that scientists are desperately trying to find something that doesn't have a cause, just so they can suggest that intelligent design might not exist after all.

That is why science has a self-regulating mechanism to filter out the falsehoods.  It is a peer review, evidence-based process.
It is a work in progress.  New scientific discoveries are made as I type this post.

Unlike the Bible.  You know, human living for 3 days in the stomach of a huge fish and surviving, 6 days universe creation story, talking snake, humans created from dirt generating genetic variance we see today in a mere 6000 years, from one Middle-Eastern couple. LOL.  Not to mention the global flood and Noah's story.  Too far fetched to be included in children's fairy tales.

You are confused, uneducated man.  I see no point of discussing this further.  We are worlds apart.  

The so-called mechanism for filtering out falsehood, only proves to solidify falsehood if the peer reviews agree with something that is wrong. Being popular, or being proclaimed loudly, or being attested to isn't the thing that makes things to be the truth. Only if they ARE the truth, are they the truth.

If you have stories that contradict the Bible stories you mention, it is you who have the fairy tales. Just because your stories are things that are the standard accepted by some people, doesn't make them true. You need more. The fact that there are loads of people who accept Bible stories as true, makes them just as true as your fictional stories. Bible people need more, as well.

We ARE worlds apart. You would like to accept science that makes sense along with other science that doesn't make sense. Because of this you come up with a muddled view that you don't even realize is muddled.

I accept the Bible stories for a couple of reasons. Science shows that they are true. And the Holy Spirit acknowledges them within me.

Btw, you haven't shown me something that factually exists without a cause. Can't answer, so you ignore the point.

Our universe started without a cause.  Space-time was created without a cause.  There was no time for any possible cause to exist in, there was no time, i.e. no cause or effect before t=0.

Cause and effects only exist if you can establish the time interval where they exist.

Good night little buddy.  Sleep tight.

You just know this how? Certainly not from understanding science. The science of cause and effect alone shows that the universe was programmed. The machine nature of the universe shows that the Programmer was highly intelligent. Don't just pick and choose the science you like. Rather, look at all of it.

[BADecker]

Observable redshift.

Redshift is a misinterpretation of electric plasma activity. Search on "electric cosmos" or "electric universe." There you will find theory that fits universe operations way better than the current usage of Relativity Theory.

What does this mean? It means that scientists would rather continue with the status quo than adopt the truth. However, that is the way that people act in general, isn't it? Even scientists with their pet theories, right?

This should cause you to at least question your atheistic views.

[BADecker]

Observable redshift.

Redshift is a misinterpretation of electric plasma activity. Search on "electric cosmos" or "electric universe." There you will find theory that fits universe operations way better than the current usage of Relativity Theory.

What does this mean? It means that scientists would rather continue with the status quo than adopt the truth. However, that is the way that people act in general, isn't it? Even scientists with their pet theories, right?

This should cause you to at least question your atheistic views.

You should compare your notes with notbatman.  You guys have more in common than you are willing to admit.

An electric universe, ROFL.

I wonder what it is in one's brain that makes him/her susceptible to these crackpot theories: flat Earth, electric universe, Jesus zombie myth, invisible/undetectable God(s), souls, ghosts, zombies, heaven, hell, demons, etc.  The list is endless.

In the same way you are susceptible to crackpot theories that are being proven wrong. You are attempting to maintain wrong science theories... why? Are you so afraid of the truth that you are willing to remain wrong? Will it take away from your income if you turn to what is right?

Regarding God, change before it's too late for you and you destroy yourself.

[BADecker]

Observable redshift.

Redshift is a misinterpretation of electric plasma activity. Search on "electric cosmos" or "electric universe." There you will find theory that fits universe operations way better than the current usage of Relativity Theory.

What does this mean? It means that scientists would rather continue with the status quo than adopt the truth. However, that is the way that people act in general, isn't it? Even scientists with their pet theories, right?

This should cause you to at least question your atheistic views.

You should compare your notes with notbatman.  You guys have more in common than you are willing to admit.

An electric universe, ROFL.

I wonder what it is in one's brain that makes him/her susceptible to these crackpot theories: flat Earth, electric universe, Jesus zombie myth, invisible/undetectable God(s), souls, ghosts, zombies, heaven, hell, demons, etc.  The list is endless.

In the same way you are susceptible to crackpot theories that are being proven wrong. You are attempting to maintain wrong science theories... why? Are you so afraid of the truth that you are willing to remain wrong? Will it take away from your income if you turn to what is right?

Regarding God, change before it's too late for you and you destroy yourself.

Change what?  What are you talking about?

I am not a fiction writer or a con man to invent a new God story.

I don't think we need more God stories.  We have over 3000+ God myths.  They don't need changing.  They speak for themselves.

We have enough God stories to save those who believe God's Word. We don't need any more. More might even prove to dilute the things that God talks about in the God stories. It's time for atheists to turn and believe God, before they destroy themselves by their unbelief.

[BADecker]

Why would anyone want to think these Bronze Age myths have any truth in them?  What are you talking about?
These stories are utter nonsense.

There is nothing to believe or not to believe.  These are stories written by some uneducated people who lived in very primitive societies.

Why don't you 'believe' in the Superman or Mr. Brownlow from Oliver Twist story?  WTF, are you mad?

I don't ask for much evidence.  Just one post by your God in this thread would do.

Ask your God to post my ATM card PIN number and my grandfather's concentration camp identification number.  LOL.

BADecker, talk to your God, post the two numbers or be quiet forever.

Bronze Age myths are Bronze Age myths. Bronze Age reality isn't myths.

Bible stories were written by very educated people. How can you tell? By the fact that they were able to write. Moses' writings were based on other writings that we don't have today. But the fact of these writings is found in the writings that have been discovered in Egypt. Consider the Nag Hammadi Library - https://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/nag_hammadi/contents.htm.

Our modern-day superheroes don't match the things of the universe. Their existence is the thing that is mythology.

Why would God post your ATM card along with your PIN? That would damge you because some unscroupulous characters might use them?

If you really want those numbers posted by God, talk to Him yourself. I don't control the way he posts. However, your card and PIN numbers might already be up for sale at some site in the Dark Web.

Get off your crazy kick, you knucklebrain.

[BADecker]

Why would anyone want to think these Bronze Age myths have any truth in them?  What are you talking about?
These stories are utter nonsense.

There is nothing to believe or not to believe.  These are stories written by some uneducated people who lived in very primitive societies.

Why don't you 'believe' in the Superman or Mr. Brownlow from Oliver Twist story?  WTF, are you mad?

I don't ask for much evidence.  Just one post by your God in this thread would do.

Ask your God to post my ATM card PIN number and my grandfather's concentration camp identification number.  LOL.

BADecker, talk to your God, post the two numbers or be quiet forever.

Bronze Age myths are Bronze Age myths. Bronze Age reality isn't myths.

Bible stories were written by very educated people. How can you tell? By the fact that they were able to write. Moses' writings were based on other writings that we don't have today. But the fact of these writings is found in the writings that have been discovered in Egypt. Consider the Nag Hammadi Library - https://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/nag_hammadi/contents.htm.

Our modern-day superheroes don't match the things of the universe. Their existence is the thing that is mythology.

Why would God post your ATM card along with your PIN? That would damge you because some unscroupulous characters might use them?

If you really want those numbers posted by God, talk to Him yourself. I don't control the way he posts. However, your card and PIN numbers might already be up for sale at some site in the Dark Web.

Get off your crazy kick, you knucklebrain.

Read, I asked for the ATM card PIN number.  Jesus Fucking Christ, learn how to read you little twit.

Let's go BADecker and your God, post my ATM card PIN number.

You don't even realize how stupid you and your God look now. 

He does not know my PIN number because he fucking does not exist.  He is an image, feelings in your brain, my ATM PIN number is only in my brain and there is no way you or any of the other 3000+ 'Gods' know my PIN number.

I don't understand. You asked for the ATM card and PIN number, didn't you? Well? Do you have them or not? Jesus allowed you to have them, right?

Since He allowed you to have them, He already knows the numbers, right? You don't really want Him to post your private numbers for all the world to see, do you? If you do, start praying to Him to post them. Here's what I mean.

God bases everything on faith... including salvation. If you have faith, you can move mountains. It was Eve's and Adam's failure in the faith area that prompted God to base everything on faith... just to show them that He is faithful. So, why is Jesus going to post your numbers when you don't have faith that He will, and when you don't even have faith that He exists? Besides, if you want your numbers posted, don't you have the ability to post them? Go ahead and post them. Or don't you have the strength to do it?

I know that you are having a bad day. Your days won't get any better until you acknowledge God.

[BADecker]

Pay attention.  No wonder little details do not matter to you.

In any case, both you and your God failed the test.  No PIN number, no proof.

Good luck with your imaginary friends.

You just don't get it, do you. No PIN, absolute proof. Why? Because the things that you do and that are under your control, God is doing through you. You verbally ask for the PIN, but you don't put the PIN up. So, you lie, but God tells the truth by not putting the PIN up.

Do you want God to put the PIN up? Then [put the PIN up, and it will be God working through you to put the PIN up.

If you continue long enough in your refusal to accept God and His salvation, you will be using God's power to say "NO" to yourself. That NO is an eternal one. Please don't go there. It means that I will have failed regarding you and salvation. And I feel so bad when I fail at something.

Are you laughing, yet? Go ahead and laugh at me, now. Only repent and believe, so that you will have the ability to laugh in joy throughout eternity?

[Vod]

PS. God is doing shit.  Hey God, you little fuck, get in here and post my PIN number.

I killed badecker's god years ago.  I am the real Vod.

Your PIN is (obviously) 6969.

[Deylandra]

Humans evolved religion as a trait for a reason.

Because it helped us survive.

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https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-019-1043-4
An all powerful and omniscient god, who enforces a moral code and is aware of all sins, only was invented when the first urban societies were created.

Only on these societies someone could act in violation of social rules with some chance of avoiding punishment. On a small clan community this is much harder to happen.

Hence, a god with functions of moral/religious enforcer only was invented when social needs made this necessary.

This can explain the enduring animist religions who ruled for millennia and their overcome by gods with moral functions and omniscient and omnipotent qualities after the formation and development of urban societies.

The first god with moral functions seems to be Maat, daughter of the god Ra, about 5000 years ago, on Egypt.

As the State became more powerful (and modern surveillance techniques are increasing their role: China is the best example), the need for a divine enforcer of social rules disappeared. This can also explain religious tolerance from the authorities.

[HmmMAA]

I wholeheartedly agree with your take. I cannot call myself a hardcore christian but I do occasionally pay my respects when at a church or saying a prayer. It of course could be written off as me being influenced during my upbringing but I have found these small acts to provide me with some form of safety, like it's a part of me. I do not see the need to distance myself from the idea of belief completely, since the best course of action is simply to not expect anything, but rather see for myself. But I do believe that many of the teachings of many religions across the world are flawed and barbaric by today's standard of society. That is to say that although there have been some really bad, entitled and egocentric apples I have met some incredible people through my life such as priests that are hard working and kind people. In the end, religion should not decide ones life and more importantly it should not decide others opinions towards that person. I personally treat it as another attribute of someone who is ultimately just another human being like me, and I treat his beliefs and his religion with respect, since berating them and downgrading their beliefs won't bring about anything.

[Cnut237]

For me the question "Does God exist?" is not the important one. We can't prove it either way, and so we'll never settle any arguments or change any opinions based on answers to this question.

I think the more pertinent question is: "If we assume that God exists, then should (s)he be worshipped?"

I am an atheist, but even if it could be proven that God exists, I would still argue that they shouldn't be worshipped. Why? Because to do so is to deny our own freedom and our own responsibility for our own actions. If every murderer could say 'God designed me to be a murderer,' then no-one has any accountability. It is like being a child. Everything is always someone else's fault. But if instead we say 'I am an individual with free will, every action I take or do not take is a result of my own decisions,' then I just think that is a better and more honest way to live.

[BADecker]

^^^ God is proven to exist simply because the marvels and wonders of nature exist. We of all people should be able to see God in nature. And actually we do.

The complexities of nature are shown to not exist when we simply toss a handful of sand into the air. We can't make the complexities happen. Yet they DO exist in the ways the sand falls to the ground, and in the patterns that come about in the fall. But we didn't originate the complex patterns. We just acted and they happened.

In our machinery that we make, the more the complexity, the more the thought that had to go into them to make them complex. Yet we are barely starting to understand the complexity of the whole universe.

If you want to call nature God, then at least you have recognized that nature is way mor complex in itself than we are.

God exists. Nature shows it. And one of the greatest points that shows God is that we are complex enough, and strong enough, within ourselves, that we can deny God in the face of all the complexity in nature that shows that He exists.

[bitcoin-shark]

i am a non-believer then an atheist and i will remain so at least until i see a miracle with my eyes, mens,mankind have done over the course of millennia horrible atrocities in the name of faith/religion
like burning witches, crusades, torture, the bible is full of parables, teachings of dubious interpretation, to finish someone can dispute with tangible evidence that it was not the aliens millions of years ago to put living cells in water on earth (create life)? ...

[BADecker]

i am a non-believer then an atheist and i will remain so at least until i see a miracle with my eyes, mens,mankind have done over the course of millennia horrible atrocities in the name of faith/religion
like burning witches, crusades, torture, the bible is full of parables, teachings of dubious interpretation, to finish someone can dispute with tangible evidence that it was not the aliens millions of years ago to put living cells in water on earth (create life)? ...

Here's you miracle... blade of grass.

Nobody can make one, but countless trillions of them grow automatically.

We can automate machinery to make many things, but we can't make one to duplicate itself from scratch without being fed the raw materials.

But the second biggest miracle - way bigger than a blade of grass - is that some people can't see all the miracles around them in nature.

Maybe I'll tell you about the biggest miracle, sometime.

[Renampun]

For me the question "Does God exist?" is not the important one. We can't prove it either way, and so we'll never settle any arguments or change any opinions based on answers to this question.

I think the more pertinent question is: "If we assume that God exists, then should (s)he be worshipped?"

I respect every opinion they think about the existence of God,
but there is one thing we must know about the existence of God,
"God is in our hearts, its existence is like the wind, it cannot be seen but can be felt"
there are people who believe in cryptocurrencies, but there are also those who refuse to believe,
the choice is in us. slowly, sooner or later surely your heart and mind will accept God.

[man22555]

Religion was meant to explain the world & universe to as much people as possible. Everything unexplainable got replaced by 'god'.

So actually, being religious is totally outdated. 

[BADecker]

Almost all the atheists who are serious about their atheism, have chosen to make themselves into gods. After all, just because a person doesn't see God somewhere he looked, doesn't mean that God doesn't exist somewhere he hasn't looked. This means that God could be somewhere in almost all of the universe, and in loads of different places right on Earth that people haven't checked out yet.