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August 29, 2013, 12:25:51 PM
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How about:

"The Future is ... here"
"The NEW Yellow Brick Road"

Or perhaps some inspiring quotes:

"Be yourself, the world worships the original" - Ingrid Bergman
"We are not permitted to choose the frame of our destiny, but what we put into it is ours" - Dag Hammarsköld
"There is a star above us which unites souls of the first order, though worlds and ages separate them" - Christina of Sweden

Keep up the good work KNC, you are a light of confidence in an otherwise shadowy world.
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August 29, 2013, 12:34:24 PM
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They and labcoin have chips (for labcoin: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=263445.msg3034787#msg3034787).

KnC??

No KnC doesn't have chips on their hand, now.

And you know it, doesn't you?

And more to the point, we can't be 100% sure KnC will deliver on time, if ever. that's a fact.

Having said that you can be sure that Gen1 ASIC devices based on 1XXnm technology will reach their "electrical breakeven point" (EBP) a lot sooner than the one based on 28nm tech.

see:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=281279.0

quoting the relevant table just for clarity's sake:

Code:
Specs         Process  Eff (J/GH) [1]    Diff (mil)  Hashrate (PH/s)  Pre-order availability (per manufacturer)
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
KNC              28nm         1.8 [3]       11,600             83.0   Existing: Sept/Oct  New: Oct
Hashfast         28nm         0.8           25,100            179.7   Existing: Oct       New: not accepting orders
BFL (Monarch)    28nm         0.8 [4]       26,200            187.5   Existing: Feb       New: [5]
Cointerra        28nm         0.7 [2]       29,900            214.0   Existing: Jan       New: Jan


Device        Process  Eff (J/GH) [1]    Diff (mil)  Hashrate (PH/s)
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Avalon          130nm         8.3           2,500             17.9     
ASICMiner       110nm         7.7           2,700             19.3   
BFL (SC)         65nm         5.0           4,200             30.1 
Bitfury          55nm         1.0          21,000            150.3   
FPGA          various        50.0             400              2.9
GPU           various       330.0              60              0.4


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August 29, 2013, 12:35:26 PM
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How about:

"The Future is ... here"
...

How about:

"U paid us, LOL!"
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August 29, 2013, 12:39:53 PM
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HashFast, Cointerra, KnC pending...

they will have 28nm chips.
Sure...WHEN??
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August 29, 2013, 12:40:55 PM
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They and labcoin have chips (for labcoin: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=263445.msg3034787#msg3034787).

KnC??

No KnC doesn't have chips on their hand, now.

And you know it, doesn't you?

And more to the point, we can't be 100% sure KnC will deliver on time, if ever. that's a fact.

Having said that you can be sure that Gen1 ASIC devices based on 1XXnm technology will reach their "electrical breakeven point" (EBP) a lot sooner than the one based on 28nm tech.

see:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=281279.0

quoting the relevant table just for clarity's sake:

Code:
Specs         Process  Eff (J/GH) [1]    Diff (mil)  Hashrate (PH/s)  Pre-order availability (per manufacturer)
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
KNC              28nm         1.8 [3]       11,600             83.0   Existing: Sept/Oct  New: Oct
Hashfast         28nm         0.8           25,100            179.7   Existing: Oct       New: not accepting orders
BFL (Monarch)    28nm         0.8 [4]       26,200            187.5   Existing: Feb       New: [5]
Cointerra        28nm         0.7 [2]       29,900            214.0   Existing: Jan       New: Jan


Device        Process  Eff (J/GH) [1]    Diff (mil)  Hashrate (PH/s)
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Avalon          130nm         8.3           2,500             17.9    
ASICMiner       110nm         7.7           2,700             19.3  
BFL (SC)         65nm         5.0           4,200             30.1  
Bitfury          55nm         1.0          21,000            150.3  
FPGA          various        50.0             400              2.9
GPU           various       330.0              60              0.4


There are still GPU miners with free electricity....ever heard of the term?
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August 29, 2013, 12:44:35 PM
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While you waste your time for slogans:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=264696.msg3033042#msg3033042

"We are planning to tapeout 1500TH+ chips in Sep(i,e, the 2nd batch of 1st gen chips of btcgarden. The 1st batch of 250TH of 1st gen chips will be in hand soon and will be deployed in china as you might knew) ,all of these 1500TH will be in hand in the mid of Nov,"

Bye bye ROI...

130nm, $32 per GH/s (chips only complete system would be more).
High price and high power consumption.  I imagine they will be insanely popular.

Since when is 0.11BTC = $32?  I mean, if it was I'd certainly like to know Grin

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August 29, 2013, 12:48:01 PM
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While you waste your time for slogans:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=264696.msg3033042#msg3033042

"We are planning to tapeout 1500TH+ chips in Sep(i,e, the 2nd batch of 1st gen chips of btcgarden. The 1st batch of 250TH of 1st gen chips will be in hand soon and will be deployed in china as you might knew) ,all of these 1500TH will be in hand in the mid of Nov,"

Bye bye ROI...

130nm, $32 per GH/s (chips only complete system would be more).
High price and high power consumption.  I imagine they will be insanely popular.

Since when is 0.11BTC = $32?  I mean, if it was I'd certainly like to know Grin
I bet there would be at least 3 times in the past (since 2009) that it would equal this price Tongue
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August 29, 2013, 12:48:49 PM
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I think a simple slogan maybe.

Mine, all mine.

As for knowing that KnC don't have chips ? Really? How do you know they didn't get them this morning? Because they didn't bleat about it on a forum? Maybe the day they DO get chips (or did) they thought of more important things to do with them? They could have them in hand any day now, or have them already.
Maybe a quick test and a pic of an assembled module or real performance data from that would prove to be a better laxative to their competitors in their eyes?
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August 29, 2013, 12:50:02 PM
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Having said that you can be sure that Gen1 ASIC devices based on 1XXnm technology will reach their "electrical breakeven point" (EBP) a lot sooner than the one based on 28nm tech.

see:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=281279.0

quoting the relevant table just for clarity's sake:

Code:
Specs         Process  Eff (J/GH) [1]    Diff (mil)  Hashrate (PH/s)  Pre-order availability (per manufacturer)
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
KNC              28nm         1.8 [3]       11,600             83.0   Existing: Sept/Oct  New: Oct
Hashfast         28nm         0.8           25,100            179.7   Existing: Oct       New: not accepting orders
BFL (Monarch)    28nm         0.8 [4]       26,200            187.5   Existing: Feb       New: [5]
Cointerra        28nm         0.7 [2]       29,900            214.0   Existing: Jan       New: Jan


Device        Process  Eff (J/GH) [1]    Diff (mil)  Hashrate (PH/s)
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Avalon          130nm         8.3           2,500             17.9    
ASICMiner       110nm         7.7           2,700             19.3  
BFL (SC)         65nm         5.0           4,200             30.1  
Bitfury          55nm         1.0          21,000            150.3  
FPGA          various        50.0             400              2.9
GPU           various       330.0              60              0.4


There are still GPU miners with free electricity....ever heard of the term?

seriously how many of them do have access to free[1] electricity? 100%,  90% or less?

then you have to take into account that GPU isn't "application specific" whereas by definition ASIC devices are.

[1] "free" is a strong word, e.g. take my case I have access to "free" electricity b/c I have solar panels, but I can assure you they are not free, nor in terms of initial investment and nor in terms of maintenance





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August 29, 2013, 12:50:41 PM
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I think a simple slogan maybe.

Mine, all mine.

As for knowing that KnC don't have chips ? Really? How do you know they didn't get them this morning? Because they didn't bleat about it on a forum? Maybe the day they DO get chips (or did) they thought of more important things to do with them? They could have them in hand any day now, or have them already.
Maybe a quick test and a pic of an assembled module or real performance data from that would prove to be a better laxative to their competitors in their eyes?
Sorry dude, here only 1 rule applies now: Show me the chips!

Go read Labcoin thread how people attacked on the announcement without proofs.

KnC: Late to party!
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August 29, 2013, 12:53:01 PM
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Having said that you can be sure that Gen1 ASIC devices based on 1XXnm technology will reach their "electrical breakeven point" (EBP) a lot sooner than the one based on 28nm tech.

see:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=281279.0

quoting the relevant table just for clarity's sake:

Code:
Specs         Process  Eff (J/GH) [1]    Diff (mil)  Hashrate (PH/s)  Pre-order availability (per manufacturer)
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
KNC              28nm         1.8 [3]       11,600             83.0   Existing: Sept/Oct  New: Oct
Hashfast         28nm         0.8           25,100            179.7   Existing: Oct       New: not accepting orders
BFL (Monarch)    28nm         0.8 [4]       26,200            187.5   Existing: Feb       New: [5]
Cointerra        28nm         0.7 [2]       29,900            214.0   Existing: Jan       New: Jan


Device        Process  Eff (J/GH) [1]    Diff (mil)  Hashrate (PH/s)
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Avalon          130nm         8.3           2,500             17.9    
ASICMiner       110nm         7.7           2,700             19.3  
BFL (SC)         65nm         5.0           4,200             30.1  
Bitfury          55nm         1.0          21,000            150.3  
FPGA          various        50.0             400              2.9
GPU           various       330.0              60              0.4


There are still GPU miners with free electricity....ever heard of the term?

seriously how many of them do have access to free[1] electricity? 100%,  90% or less?

then you have to take into account that GPU isn't "application specific" whereas by definition ASIC devices are.

[1] "free" is a strong word, e.g. take my case I have access to "free" electricity b/c I have solar panels, but I can assure you they are not free, nor in terms of initial investment and nor in terms of maintenance

Trust me, only here there are more than you can imagine: civil clerks in various offices, hospitals, army, people stealing electricity in the country...lol

In Greece many people who bought panels now they don't know what to do them (due to some government scam as usual)  and for a very small fee they rent them to miners...
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August 29, 2013, 01:03:49 PM
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How about being realistic: Race to the Bottom!

Tired of substandard power distribution in your ASIC setup???   Chris' Custom Cablez will get you sorted out right!  No job too hard so PM me for a quote
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seriously how many of them do have access to free[1] electricity? 100%,  90% or less?

then you have to take into account that GPU isn't "application specific" whereas by definition ASIC devices are.

[1] "free" is a strong word, e.g. take my case I have access to "free" electricity b/c I have solar panels, but I can assure you they are not free, nor in terms of initial investment and nor in terms of maintenance

Trust me, only here there are more than you can imagine: civil clerks in various offices, hospitals, army, people stealing electricity in the country...lol

sorry dude but I do not trust anyone, I hope you don't take it personally  :-)
anyhow I think that your idea of the world is quite biased toward the Greeks behaviour and as someone who have lived in south Europe for a while I can understand you.

In Greece many people who bought panels now they don't know what to do them (due to some government scam as usual)  and for a very small fee they rent them to miners...

sorry for being pedantic but

small fee != free

anyhow as you've already wisely said, time will tell.

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seriously how many of them do have access to free[1] electricity? 100%,  90% or less?

then you have to take into account that GPU isn't "application specific" whereas by definition ASIC devices are.

[1] "free" is a strong word, e.g. take my case I have access to "free" electricity b/c I have solar panels, but I can assure you they are not free, nor in terms of initial investment and nor in terms of maintenance

Trust me, only here there are more than you can imagine: civil clerks in various offices, hospitals, army, people stealing electricity in the country...lol

sorry dude but I do not trust anyone, I hope you don't take it personally  :-)
anyhow I think that your idea of the world is quite biased toward the Greeks behaviour and as someone who have lived in south Europe for a while I can understand you.

In Greece many people who bought panels now they don't know what to do them (due to some government scam as usual)  and for a very small fee they rent them to miners...

sorry for being pedantic but

small fee != free

anyhow as you've already wisely said, time will tell.

All valid arguments, I just want to point out that electricity efficiency is not YET the most important factor...
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August 29, 2013, 01:45:34 PM
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They and labcoin have chips (for labcoin: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=263445.msg3034787#msg3034787).

KnC??

No KnC doesn't have chips on their hand, now.

And you know it, doesn't you?

And more to the point, we can't be 100% sure KnC will deliver on time, if ever. that's a fact.

Having said that you can be sure that Gen1 ASIC devices based on 1XXnm technology will reach their "electrical breakeven point" (EBP) a lot sooner than the one based on 28nm tech.

see:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=281279.0

quoting the relevant table just for clarity's sake:

Code:
Specs         Process  Eff (J/GH) [1]    Diff (mil)  Hashrate (PH/s)  Pre-order availability (per manufacturer)
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
KNC              28nm         1.8 [3]       11,600             83.0   Existing: Sept/Oct  New: Oct
Hashfast         28nm         0.8           25,100            179.7   Existing: Oct       New: not accepting orders
BFL (Monarch)    28nm         0.8 [4]       26,200            187.5   Existing: Feb       New: [5]
Cointerra        28nm         0.7 [2]       29,900            214.0   Existing: Jan       New: Jan


Device        Process  Eff (J/GH) [1]    Diff (mil)  Hashrate (PH/s)
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Avalon          130nm         8.3           2,500             17.9     
ASICMiner       110nm         7.7           2,700             19.3   
BFL (SC)         65nm         5.0           4,200             30.1 
Bitfury          55nm         1.0          21,000            150.3   
FPGA          various        50.0             400              2.9
GPU           various       330.0              60              0.4



According to KNC their efficiency is below 1.6 W/GH/s.
https://www.kncminer.com/news/news-31

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According to KNC their efficiency is below 1.6 W/GH/s.
https://www.kncminer.com/news/news-31


sure you're right, in fact DeathAndTaxes is waiting for clarification before updating this data point.



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August 29, 2013, 02:03:21 PM
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Any opinions on this PSU? Seems like a good value...

http://www.microcenter.com/product/399156/HX_Series_HX850_850_Watt_ATX_12V_Modular_Power_Supply

When KnC says the PSU needs 4x PCI-E adaptors, they mean four individual adaptors, not four pairs of adaptors, right?
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August 29, 2013, 02:06:35 PM
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According to KNC their efficiency is below 1.6 W/GH/s.
https://www.kncminer.com/news/news-31


sure you're right, in fact DeathAndTaxes is waiting for clarification before updating this data point.




Indeed i beieve D&T is factoring in PSU for an 'at the wall' figure.

That said we don't know whether any of the other manufacturers estimations are 'at the wall' quotes, or not either.

For the most part, i.e. those wth chips yet to be in hand, these are all simulated estimations, we just know that one still has margins applicable...

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