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January 31, 2014, 02:42:05 AM
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One fun thing to note is the argument people will always make:  You'd have been better off buying BTC than buying a miner.  This is mostly true, if the person doing the investing is rational, patient, and holds true to their investment decision.

However, if you're trying to figure out what a fair price for an ASIC is/has been, comparing to buy and hold is the only useful way to assess your return.

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Maximum reasonable price for an ASIC is the (current!) price of the amount of BTC that it would mine before its power is exhausted by difficulty growth.
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January 31, 2014, 02:45:59 AM
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Thanks for the input.  I think I will end up buying the other 4 antminers.  About how long do they last as I have read that at best you will get 0.02 out of one.  I'm guessing after that they no longer work.  I have been running mine for about 30 hours and last I looked I was getting about 1.49Gh/s.

I am just curious what kind of money people are making on Slush's pool and whether or not I am on track for what I should be making.


I have been mining for a couple of days or so using a USB antminer and a block eruptor and have made the following:

Total reward: 0.00092755 BTC




Average hashrate in last 10 rounds: 1851 Mhash/s

Thanks

As I said above I only have the one antminer and running for about 30 hours and it has bounced from 1.49 to 1.8.  My numbers currently look like:

Estimated:  0.00004579 BTC
Unconfirmed:  0.00018750 BTC
Confirmed:  0.00035310 BTC
Total:  0.00054060 BTC

Average hashrate in last 10 rounds: 1451 Mhash/s

About 0.000006xx was from my graphics card before I got my antminer.  If that is good or not I'm not sure.

One more question.  I saw a comment on one forum saying that the antminers are going for around 20 bucks each.  The cheapest I have been able to find a 1.6Gh/s one is 50 and that was on eBay.  What is a good price for them?
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January 31, 2014, 02:48:04 AM
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Just started to get into bitcoin mining.  I ran for about 5 hours using an old ati 5750 and was seeing nothing in one pool till I came to Slush.  I saw a little bit and decided to get an antminer after seeing someone post about it on here.  It is working great and I have been thinking about ordering 4 more off of amazon along with a USB fan for the hub I have.  Thing that bothers me is I have read on other sites that this is now pointless in doing, and that you will never see a profit from bitcoin mining even if you were to spend thousands of dollars on equipment.  So has this just become a hobby for people or is it something that a profit can be made from?  I didn't plan on ever making enough to retire from work, but I thought I would be able to at some point make a little.  I had hoped that eventually I would be able to get 1.5 coins with out spending much on equipment so I could get me a nice new graphics card.  After that maybe find a site that I could buy more equipment with bitcoins let it run and cash in.


Ever since the block erupters came out people said they were a wait, that people would never make their money back. Then the exchange rate went up 10 times the initial price. Nobody knows what the future holds, they only have guesses. I see the USB Ants as the current Erupters. On paper you'll probably lose, but paper doesn't know what the future holds. Just remember, As the difficulty goes up each piece of hardware you have will earn a bit less. But the price per Gh/s of new equipment should drop as the difficulty goes up.

Only you can decide what is worth it.

One fun thing to note is the argument people will always make:  You'd have been better off buying BTC than buying a miner.  This is mostly true, if the person doing the investing is rational, patient, and holds true to their investment decision.

I have first hand evidence of friends who I recommended not purchase miners at a certain point for that same reason.  They did so anyways.  And they made more off the miners than they would have buying BTC.  Not because of any failure in my math, but a failure in assumptions.  The "buy BTC instead" argument doesn't work if somebody would have cashed out their coins after a reasonable rise.  Such as cashing out the coins they purchased after a 30% gain.  My friends absolutely would have done that, and been happy with a $300 profit after a month.  Instead, they had to sell their coins slowly as they mined them.  They ended up more than doubling their investment because even though they sold coins continuously, they ended up selling at significantly more than a 30% gain over the price when they had purchased their miners.

So a wise, patient, and true believer, investing in BTC would be better off putting their money directly into coins, and following a strict selloff plan.  But those types of investors are rare (though many believe they are that type).  Human emotion is an extremely large factor in trading, especially on highly volatile markets like Bitcoin.
so true! I bought 30 BTC at $130 each to buy 15 BE from Canary at 1.99 BTC each.... Then when the price of BTC hit over a $1000 and all I had was 3 BTC because I spent my  earned coins on more BE's.... I thought if I only had held onto them 30  coins instead of buying the miners... But then I would have sold the coins at ? I really don't think I wold have held out till $1000 or more before selling. It's easy to look back and think what if... But it's hard when you don't know what tomorrow brings.



Well said. I make this point a lot, about the psychological forces associated with trading and cost basis. Decision when to lock profit can often be more stressful than covering a loss. Mining has a whole different set of hardware purchase addiction. As Mises said in Profit and Loss, "In retrospect, all fools become wise."


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January 31, 2014, 02:56:37 AM
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There's a continuing/repeating issue with the graphs.
I can't speak about System daily reward, but Your daily reward is falling behind the reality by one day.
Fortunately, the reward values are associated with the right dates, but they together are lagging one day. Today, the reward for January 29th have occured after midnight UTC, while the last completed day, yesterday, was January 30th.
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January 31, 2014, 03:01:59 AM
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My multiminer says I am making about $0.50 per day, which is about what slush's pool shows.

It would seem like you could make more than that.

I paid about $60 for mine, but did not do a ton of searching.
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January 31, 2014, 03:13:16 AM
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I think I will end up buying the other 4 antminers.  About how long do they last as I have read that at best you will get 0.02 out of one.  I'm guessing after that they no longer work.  I have been running mine for about 30 hours and last I looked I was getting about 1.49Gh/s.

(...)

One more question.  I saw a comment on one forum saying that the antminers are going for around 20 bucks each.  The cheapest I have been able to find a 1.6Gh/s one is 50 and that was on eBay.  What is a good price for them?

If at best you will get 0.02 out of one then the highest reasonable price for it is about $20. I've also only seen offers several times higher. But... looks like there are still some people willing to spend it...
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January 31, 2014, 03:20:19 AM
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I think I will end up buying the other 4 antminers.  About how long do they last as I have read that at best you will get 0.02 out of one.  I'm guessing after that they no longer work.  I have been running mine for about 30 hours and last I looked I was getting about 1.49Gh/s.

(...)

One more question.  I saw a comment on one forum saying that the antminers are going for around 20 bucks each.  The cheapest I have been able to find a 1.6Gh/s one is 50 and that was on eBay.  What is a good price for them?

If at best you will get 0.02 out of one then the highest reasonable price for it is about $20. I've also only seen offers several times higher. But... looks like there are still some people willing to spend it...

Where are you finding the USB antminers for $20?
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January 31, 2014, 03:31:40 AM
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I think I will end up buying the other 4 antminers.  About how long do they last as I have read that at best you will get 0.02 out of one.  I'm guessing after that they no longer work.  I have been running mine for about 30 hours and last I looked I was getting about 1.49Gh/s.

(...)

One more question.  I saw a comment on one forum saying that the antminers are going for around 20 bucks each.  The cheapest I have been able to find a 1.6Gh/s one is 50 and that was on eBay.  What is a good price for them?

If at best you will get 0.02 out of one then the highest reasonable price for it is about $20. I've also only seen offers several times higher. But... looks like there are still some people willing to spend it...

Where are you finding the USB antminers for $20?

Where can you see I'm finding USB antminers for $20?
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January 31, 2014, 03:40:20 AM
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@ shazo, You nailed all the answers in your own question Smiley IMO this is first and foremost a hobby for the majority. I too started w/CPU + GPU. Saw GPU results, so I got a better GRX card. Then I heard about the Bit Fury's. Started 1 by 1 accumulating those and now have 15 @ 35.8 Gs/h. Now I really started actually seeing some rewards. Long story short w/ a few BFL units I'm now running @ 207 Gh/s. The ONLY way this will ever pay for itself is if BTC hits around $2100 - $2300 in 2014. That is a rough estimate based on my average reward so far this year, and the fact that the difficulty will only go up. I am having fun! I like this pool and the people on these boards. And I've learned A LOT. I am investing in a hobby that I think can pay off. In fact I believe it will, but only time will tell.
I fully agree that your investment philosophy changes greatly when you mine as opposed to buy BTC.
That said, welcome to the group. My best advice is to not spend more money mining than you are prepared to write off as a hobby that you enjoy. Like you said " you won't retire" from it but you may enjoy it, and it COULD pay off!

A few thoughts:
The LUCK of the pool is VERY important.
The bigger the pool gets, the smaller the rewards per round.
And as difficulty increases, there will become a time when my 207 Gh/s will only net me what your 1 Antminer gets you today  Huh

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January 31, 2014, 03:45:23 AM
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The LUCK of the pool is VERY important.

Very important when it comes to estimating your weekly income. Not much use when it comes to choosing a pool though. You can't make decisions based on historical luck. The number of shares solved each round are independent of previous rounds, so historical luck is no indicator of future luck.

The bigger the pool gets, the smaller the rewards per round.

... and the more blocks get solved. So your daily income remains the same, but lots of small rewards more regularly mean reduced variance. The larger the pool, the less the variance (ignoring differences in reward method).

And as difficulty increases, there will become a time when my 207 Gh/s will only net me what your 1 Antminer gets you today  Huh

Yep. Sad, isn't it?

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January 31, 2014, 10:23:16 AM
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I think I will end up buying the other 4 antminers.  About how long do they last as I have read that at best you will get 0.02 out of one.  I'm guessing after that they no longer work.  I have been running mine for about 30 hours and last I looked I was getting about 1.49Gh/s.

(...)

One more question.  I saw a comment on one forum saying that the antminers are going for around 20 bucks each.  The cheapest I have been able to find a 1.6Gh/s one is 50 and that was on eBay.  What is a good price for them?

If at best you will get 0.02 out of one then the highest reasonable price for it is about $20. I've also only seen offers several times higher. But... looks like there are still some people willing to spend it...

Where are you finding the USB antminers for $20?

If you search on this forum, then you can find prices that beat eBay, If you can pay in BTc. If you need to use paypal then you will pay ebay prices.

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January 31, 2014, 10:24:09 AM
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And as difficulty increases, there will become a time when my 207 Gh/s will only net me what your 1 Antminer gets you today  Huh
So true.  Last March my GPU alone was earning more than three times what I currently get for two block eruptors and a Jalapeno.  I'm still making a profit over the cost of the hardware and electricity because of the rise in the value of BTC, but it won't last.  After that, unless BTC shoots upwards again, if I continue it will be strictly for amusement.

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January 31, 2014, 11:27:51 AM
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And as difficulty increases, there will become a time when my 207 Gh/s will only net me what your 1 Antminer gets you today  Huh
So true.  Last March my GPU alone was earning more than three times what I currently get for two block eruptors and a Jalapeno.  I'm still making a profit over the cost of the hardware and electricity because of the rise in the value of BTC, but it won't last.  After that, unless BTC shoots upwards again, if I continue it will be strictly for amusement.

Since last April the difficulty value has risen more than 200 times. At that time, it was possible to make several BTC cents a day with only a single GPU.
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January 31, 2014, 02:59:51 PM
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And as difficulty increases, there will become a time when my 207 Gh/s will only net me what your 1 Antminer gets you today  Huh

Yep. Sad, isn't it?
Speaking of that, it would be nice if the web admin changed it so that when you select a subrange on the Daily Rewards graph, it autoscaled the x-axis. There's a lot of white space above the daily and average rewards lines now which makes them less useful. Also, it hurts my heart to see 10x the hashrate earn 1/10 the income.
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January 31, 2014, 09:22:43 PM
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If you search on this forum, then you can find prices that beat eBay, If you can pay in BTc. If you need to use paypal then you will pay ebay prices.

Is this BTC price lower or at least equal to the BTC amount the device will ever mine?
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January 31, 2014, 09:24:37 PM
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Speaking of that, it would be nice if the web admin changed it so that when you select a subrange on the Daily Rewards graph, it autoscaled the x-axis. There's a lot of white space above the daily and average rewards lines now which makes them less useful. Also, it hurts my heart to see 10x the hashrate earn 1/10 the income.

I've been asking for this feature in November:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1976.msg3667019#msg3667019

(You have the Y axis on your mind, don't you?)
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January 31, 2014, 09:43:15 PM
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If you search on this forum, then you can find prices that beat eBay, If you can pay in BTc. If you need to use paypal then you will pay ebay prices.

Is this BTC price lower or at least equal to the BTC amount the device will ever mine?

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January 31, 2014, 10:36:30 PM
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I think I will end up buying the other 4 antminers.  About how long do they last as I have read that at best you will get 0.02 out of one.  I'm guessing after that they no longer work.  I have been running mine for about 30 hours and last I looked I was getting about 1.49Gh/s.

(...)

One more question.  I saw a comment on one forum saying that the antminers are going for around 20 bucks each.  The cheapest I have been able to find a 1.6Gh/s one is 50 and that was on eBay.  What is a good price for them?

If at best you will get 0.02 out of one then the highest reasonable price for it is about $20. I've also only seen offers several times higher. But... looks like there are still some people willing to spend it...

Where are you finding the USB antminers for $20?

Where can you see I'm finding USB antminers for $20?

slush's pool only gave me 15 shares when my miner stated 50 accepted shares and 1 rejected...wtf
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February 01, 2014, 05:27:46 AM
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I'm not sure if this is the right place to ask...how to find out the "Pool Address" for setting up an Asicminer Cube to work with Slush's Pool. I think I've got everything setup correctly, except the Pool Address. I've already downloaded and started the stratum proxy - downloaded that from bitcoin.cz. Anyone know how I look up the pool address?

FYI, I've gone through multiple tutorials >> hadsystems.de, dogie's tutorial, https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=343761.0
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February 01, 2014, 10:22:42 AM
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I think I will end up buying the other 4 antminers.  About how long do they last as I have read that at best you will get 0.02 out of one.  I'm guessing after that they no longer work.  I have been running mine for about 30 hours and last I looked I was getting about 1.49Gh/s.

(...)

One more question.  I saw a comment on one forum saying that the antminers are going for around 20 bucks each.  The cheapest I have been able to find a 1.6Gh/s one is 50 and that was on eBay.  What is a good price for them?

If at best you will get 0.02 out of one then the highest reasonable price for it is about $20. I've also only seen offers several times higher. But... looks like there are still some people willing to spend it...

Where are you finding the USB antminers for $20?

Where can you see I'm finding USB antminers for $20?

slush's pool only gave me 15 shares when my miner stated 50 accepted shares and 1 rejected...wtf

Just need to say that the last line is not mine, although that 1_post_newbie has inserted it in my quote...

BTW, I've noticed in my user statistics that I have several posts in Beginners & Help, while I'm sure I've posted in Newbies... :-)
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