[ANN][YAC] YACoin ongoing development

[Sahtor]

How much to run per month?  Would you be willing to run it long term?

4€/month and -50% coupon first year
24€ first year
48€ second year
96€ SSL certs working

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[Thirtybird]

Would you be willing to run it long term?

If it were paid for - would you administer it?

[Sahtor]

Yeah I can run it. I'm talking with Joe about the options.

[Thirtybird]

Yeah I can run it. I'm talking with Joe about the options.

Well, you can count on me for some donation funds - either BTC or YAC.

[old c coder]

How much to run per month?  Would you be willing to run it long term?

4€/month and -50% coupon first year
24€ first year
48€ second year
96€ SSL certs working

Is that just for a forum?  Could one use a garden variety Linux hosting package, for a lot less (infinite bandwidth though), see
http://www.1and1.com/?kwk=6854016
It seems to have many blog options

Linux packages are here:
https://www.1and1.com/linux-web-hosting?__lf=Static&linkId=hd.subnav.linuxhosting

Ron

[Beave162]

Can someone explain this transaction? Coins supposed to be sent to be staked, but they just disappear?

[Groko]

Can someone explain this transaction? Coins supposed to be sent to be staked, but they just disappear?

I'm pretty sure I fixed this problem, but i'm not sure if the current yacoin client is built with the fix. My fixes for POS transactions in the QT client transaction list got merged after the big mandatory 0.4.2 release was made, so you may have to wait until another release is made. If you are willing to build the master branch yourself and try it out, instructions can be found here: https://github.com/yacoin/yacoin/blob/master/doc/build-msw.txt

[Beave162]

Can someone explain this transaction? Coins supposed to be sent to be staked, but they just disappear?

I'm pretty sure I fixed this problem, but i'm not sure if the current yacoin client is built with the fix. My fixes for POS transactions in the QT client transaction list got merged after the big mandatory 0.4.2 release was made, so you may have to wait until another release is made. If you are willing to build the master branch yourself and try it out, instructions can be found here: https://github.com/yacoin/yacoin/blob/master/doc/build-msw.txt

By 'fix' do you mean it won't happen again, AND I will get those lost coins back?

[Joe_Bauers]

Before anyone panics!  yacoin.org will be down for a bit while some updates are made. This will also affect the explorer page.

[Thirtybird]

Can someone explain this transaction? Coins supposed to be sent to be staked, but they just disappear?

Once the stake clears, it shows up when you restart the wallet for sure.

[Beave162]

Can someone explain this transaction? Coins supposed to be sent to be staked, but they just disappear?

Once the stake clears, it shows up when you restart the wallet for sure.

I should have taken a screenshot of the 18 Jan transaction. Those coins still haven't come back... It has happened three times now and the amounts are ~500, ~250, ~125. I'm very afraid of it happening again with much bigger stake. I'm wondering if I'll ever get those coins back. I'm surprised more people haven't had/brought up this issue. POS coins just simply disappearing seems like a big problem.

[Thirtybird]

Can someone explain this transaction? Coins supposed to be sent to be staked, but they just disappear?

Once the stake clears, it shows up when you restart the wallet for sure.

I should have taken a screenshot of the 18 Jan transaction. Those coins still haven't come back... It has happened three times now and the amounts are ~500, ~250, ~125. I'm very afraid of it happening again with much bigger stake. I'm wondering if I'll ever get those coins back. I'm surprised more people haven't had/brought up this issue. POS coins just simply disappearing seems like a big problem.

I guarantee you they came back if they were POSed.  You just have to know how to look for them.

[Beave162]

Can someone explain this transaction? Coins supposed to be sent to be staked, but they just disappear?

Once the stake clears, it shows up when you restart the wallet for sure.

I should have taken a screenshot of the 18 Jan transaction. Those coins still haven't come back... It has happened three times now and the amounts are ~500, ~250, ~125. I'm very afraid of it happening again with much bigger stake. I'm wondering if I'll ever get those coins back. I'm surprised more people haven't had/brought up this issue. POS coins just simply disappearing seems like a big problem.

I guarantee you they came back if they were POSed.  You just have to know how to look for them.

ThirtyBird, I don't understand.

18 Jan transaction:

c0da477d4db7c4f82342a3f65e0c6bdc2d7ebfea7a220102a504ab3b4e156ad5

7 Mar transaction:

56a0a203297872aa8f5f997f4430413ab8f28d727340d47ba5d94103d9b4c18b


The question mark still shows on the left side of the qt. It SUBTRACTED the coins for stake right? Well I currently have 0.00 coins in my wallet under 'Stake'. It is as if the coins were supposed to be sent to stake but actually just disappeared.

It isn't happening for every stake. This error has happened only 3 times this year (out of about 70-130).

[Groko]

Can someone explain this transaction? Coins supposed to be sent to be staked, but they just disappear?

I'm pretty sure I fixed this problem, but i'm not sure if the current yacoin client is built with the fix. My fixes for POS transactions in the QT client transaction list got merged after the big mandatory 0.4.2 release was made, so you may have to wait until another release is made. If you are willing to build the master branch yourself and try it out, instructions can be found here: https://github.com/yacoin/yacoin/blob/master/doc/build-msw.txt

By 'fix' do you mean it won't happen again, AND I will get those lost coins back?

I believe what you are looking at are orphaned POS blocks you have created. The transaction amount to the right is zero, which means no coins were subtracted from your wallet by the transaction. As soon as the block explorer comes back up it should be very clear what happened to those transactions. I also addressed this issue in a pull request that hasn't been merged yet. https://github.com/yacoin/yacoin/pull/30

EDIT: The block explorer came back up. Those transactions don't appear to exist in the block chain. The block explorer probably purged them since they were in orphaned blocks. Your coins are safe and sound in your wallet.

[Thirtybird]

ThirtyBird, I don't understand.

18 Jan transaction:

c0da477d4db7c4f82342a3f65e0c6bdc2d7ebfea7a220102a504ab3b4e156ad5

7 Mar transaction:

56a0a203297872aa8f5f997f4430413ab8f28d727340d47ba5d94103d9b4c18b


The question mark still shows on the left side of the qt. It SUBTRACTED the coins for stake right? Well I currently have 0.00 coins in my wallet under 'Stake'. It is as if the coins were supposed to be sent to stake but actually just disappeared.

It isn't happening for every stake. This error has happened only 3 times this year (out of about 70-130).

You're giving transactions that do not exist.  If you have no coins in your wallet, either the coins were never staked, or were stakes successfully and you spent them (or you need to restart the client - without any valid information to look at, who knows?).  Provide the address that received the coins and a time/date they were received.

[Beave162]

ThirtyBird, I don't understand.

18 Jan transaction:

c0da477d4db7c4f82342a3f65e0c6bdc2d7ebfea7a220102a504ab3b4e156ad5

7 Mar transaction:

56a0a203297872aa8f5f997f4430413ab8f28d727340d47ba5d94103d9b4c18b


The question mark still shows on the left side of the qt. It SUBTRACTED the coins for stake right? Well I currently have 0.00 coins in my wallet under 'Stake'. It is as if the coins were supposed to be sent to stake but actually just disappeared.

It isn't happening for every stake. This error has happened only 3 times this year (out of about 70-130).

You're giving transactions that do not exist.  If you have no coins in your wallet, either the coins were never staked, or were stakes successfully and you spent them (or you need to restart the client - without any valid information to look at, who knows?).  Provide the address that received the coins and a time/date they were received.

My point of posting those transactions was for you to see that they do not exist. But you saw the screenshot from my wallet. Also, POS always shows 0.00--I imagine that is because nothing is being sent to another address. When you earn coins from POS, it still shows 0.00, so that means nothing in terms of saying I gained coins or lost coins.

I honestly cannot say if those last couple transactions actually caused a decrease in total coins in my wallet. However, the first time it happened, I am pretty certain it did (I didn't have many coins in my wallet at the time. so I noticed 500 coins gone). Either way, this is STILL a big problem that I think needs to be addressed. I'm afraid the only way for me to know for certain is to lose thousands in one stake, but then you may not believe me even then.

What it shows right now is that I have 875 total coins sent to stake, but they have never come back nor are they in the block explorer as having been sent to stake at all. Whether you believe I am actually missing coins or not, that is what it SHOWS. If they were orphaned, there needs to be a way to indicate that?

[Groko]

ThirtyBird, I don't understand.

18 Jan transaction:

c0da477d4db7c4f82342a3f65e0c6bdc2d7ebfea7a220102a504ab3b4e156ad5

7 Mar transaction:

56a0a203297872aa8f5f997f4430413ab8f28d727340d47ba5d94103d9b4c18b


The question mark still shows on the left side of the qt. It SUBTRACTED the coins for stake right? Well I currently have 0.00 coins in my wallet under 'Stake'. It is as if the coins were supposed to be sent to stake but actually just disappeared.

It isn't happening for every stake. This error has happened only 3 times this year (out of about 70-130).

You're giving transactions that do not exist.  If you have no coins in your wallet, either the coins were never staked, or were stakes successfully and you spent them (or you need to restart the client - without any valid information to look at, who knows?).  Provide the address that received the coins and a time/date they were received.

My point of posting those transactions was for you to see that they do not exist. But you saw the screenshot from my wallet. Also, POS always shows 0.00--I imagine that is because nothing is being sent to another address. When you earn coins from POS, it still shows 0.00, so that means nothing in terms of saying I gained coins or lost coins.

I honestly cannot say if those last couple transactions actually caused a decrease in total coins in my wallet. However, the first time it happened, I am pretty certain it did (I didn't have many coins in my wallet at the time. so I noticed 500 coins gone). Either way, this is STILL a big problem that I think needs to be addressed. I'm afraid the only way for me to know for certain is to lose thousands in one stake, but then you may not believe me even then.

What it shows right now is that I have 875 total coins sent to stake, but they have never come back nor are they in the block explorer as having been sent to stake at all. Whether you believe I am actually missing coins or not, that is what it SHOWS. If they were orphaned, there needs to be a way to indicate that?

Orphaned stake transactions are currently confusing that's for sure. For now, you can spot them with the question mark to the left (signifying an undefined transaction) and in the transaction details it says "Status: 0/unconfirmed". Orphaned blocks are supposed to have their transactions removed from the client wallet's transaction database. It works for orphaned POW blocks, but there is a bug in Reorganize which is making the orphaned POS block transactions hang around even after closing and reopening. When the next version of the yacoin client gets released there are changes in place to ignore orphaned POS transactions so they won't show up in the transaction list after a restart of the client. But as of now the bug will still manifest itself in the "Number of transactions:" field on the main window.

There are also changes in place to report the actual number of coins gained from your POS blocks in the transaction list, instead of reporting the number of staked coins. And a new transaction category has been added called "Stake interest" which will allow you to more easily count up how much interest you have earned. I'm sure this will stop people from thinking their wallets have lost coins, since the interest generated from a POS block is much smaller then the number of coins staked.

[Thirtybird]

ThirtyBird, I don't understand.

18 Jan transaction:

c0da477d4db7c4f82342a3f65e0c6bdc2d7ebfea7a220102a504ab3b4e156ad5

7 Mar transaction:

56a0a203297872aa8f5f997f4430413ab8f28d727340d47ba5d94103d9b4c18b


The question mark still shows on the left side of the qt. It SUBTRACTED the coins for stake right? Well I currently have 0.00 coins in my wallet under 'Stake'. It is as if the coins were supposed to be sent to stake but actually just disappeared.

It isn't happening for every stake. This error has happened only 3 times this year (out of about 70-130).

You're giving transactions that do not exist.  If you have no coins in your wallet, either the coins were never staked, or were stakes successfully and you spent them (or you need to restart the client - without any valid information to look at, who knows?).  Provide the address that received the coins and a time/date they were received.

My point of posting those transactions was for you to see that they do not exist. But you saw the screenshot from my wallet. Also, POS always shows 0.00--I imagine that is because nothing is being sent to another address. When you earn coins from POS, it still shows 0.00, so that means nothing in terms of saying I gained coins or lost coins.

I honestly cannot say if those last couple transactions actually caused a decrease in total coins in my wallet. However, the first time it happened, I am pretty certain it did (I didn't have many coins in my wallet at the time. so I noticed 500 coins gone). Either way, this is STILL a big problem that I think needs to be addressed. I'm afraid the only way for me to know for certain is to lose thousands in one stake, but then you may not believe me even then.

What it shows right now is that I have 875 total coins sent to stake, but they have never come back nor are they in the block explorer as having been sent to stake at all. Whether you believe I am actually missing coins or not, that is what it SHOWS. If they were orphaned, there needs to be a way to indicate that?

Just post the address. 

[Beave162]

ThirtyBird, I don't understand.

18 Jan transaction:

c0da477d4db7c4f82342a3f65e0c6bdc2d7ebfea7a220102a504ab3b4e156ad5

7 Mar transaction:

56a0a203297872aa8f5f997f4430413ab8f28d727340d47ba5d94103d9b4c18b


The question mark still shows on the left side of the qt. It SUBTRACTED the coins for stake right? Well I currently have 0.00 coins in my wallet under 'Stake'. It is as if the coins were supposed to be sent to stake but actually just disappeared.

It isn't happening for every stake. This error has happened only 3 times this year (out of about 70-130).

You're giving transactions that do not exist.  If you have no coins in your wallet, either the coins were never staked, or were stakes successfully and you spent them (or you need to restart the client - without any valid information to look at, who knows?).  Provide the address that received the coins and a time/date they were received.

My point of posting those transactions was for you to see that they do not exist. But you saw the screenshot from my wallet. Also, POS always shows 0.00--I imagine that is because nothing is being sent to another address. When you earn coins from POS, it still shows 0.00, so that means nothing in terms of saying I gained coins or lost coins.

I honestly cannot say if those last couple transactions actually caused a decrease in total coins in my wallet. However, the first time it happened, I am pretty certain it did (I didn't have many coins in my wallet at the time. so I noticed 500 coins gone). Either way, this is STILL a big problem that I think needs to be addressed. I'm afraid the only way for me to know for certain is to lose thousands in one stake, but then you may not believe me even then.

What it shows right now is that I have 875 total coins sent to stake, but they have never come back nor are they in the block explorer as having been sent to stake at all. Whether you believe I am actually missing coins or not, that is what it SHOWS. If they were orphaned, there needs to be a way to indicate that?

Just post the address.  

The address for all three is my main address YL5kf54wPPXKsXd5T18xCaNkyUsS1DgY7z.

Anyway, thanks ThirtyBird, Groko. I'm looking forward to the next release from Joe_Bauers. I'm not going to lose sleep over the 875 coins, but I would lose sleep over the potential to lose more. But I appreciate the assurance that, in reality, no coins are actually being lost and that it is just the client erroneously implying such a thing is occurring. Just imagine me trying to convince a friend to buy YAC and hold on to them for stake, then telling him not to worry about that minus 500 transaction with the '?' next to it. Sorry to sound like an armchair quarterback (not a computer programmer--which is a gross understatement), but I figured this issue, whatever is happening, was a crucial one that needed to be fixed. I beat the dead horse.

Thanks you so much.

[Thirtybird]

The address for all three is my main address YL5kf54wPPXKsXd5T18xCaNkyUsS1DgY7z.

Could this be the first one?
http://explorer.yacoin.org/block/fd34ecf439fc5a88044427250362a4f994e1c2708eccfdb6be5b30977c734224

and this the second one?
http://explorer.yacoin.org/block/27bf348e0e91362dd6eede675eecafd82d91e9350d335f8e02858f55b81ec52e
or this one (your address got 2 POS blocks that day)
http://explorer.yacoin.org/block/affe7771b2eefe4fdc3ea282f5061a24b7c19e5ac43a1168279b5b0328864f40


Do those correlate the the amounts you are looking for?

Joe_Bauers & Sairon, Since the TXID is different than his client thinks it is - could Transaction Malleability be affecting POS generation within the client?