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Author Topic: PhoenixMiner 4.8c: fastest Ethereum/Ethash miner with lowest devfee (Win/Linux)  (Read 208549 times)
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September 29, 2019, 01:50:00 PM
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Just curious here -  are there any plans to introduce/integrate memory straps into the miner like Claymore's v15 does?
It's allready done by author:

  -mt <n> VRAM timings (AMD under Windows only): 0 - default VBIOS values; 1 - faster timings; 2 - fastest timings.
     The default is 0. This is useful for mining with AMD cards without modding the VBIOS.

It's not memory modded memory straps, it's just setting options wich exists in Radeon Settings - timings section. But without vbios modding it can significant increase speed.

-rxboost option is absent in this moment... I hope Phoenix will add it in future too.

interesting, thanks for the info! Never seen any timings settings in the drivers. I still use the best performing 18.6.1 and also without gui. will check it out later anyway.
Also regarding the Claymores "rxboost" I'd guess its REF and RFC that you can (among all other values) update with Amd mem tweak.  
Im hoping for Nvidia timings though:)


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September 29, 2019, 10:14:09 PM
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Just curious here -  are there any plans to introduce/integrate memory straps into the miner like Claymore's v15 does?
It's allready done by author:

  -mt <n> VRAM timings (AMD under Windows only): 0 - default VBIOS values; 1 - faster timings; 2 - fastest timings.
     The default is 0. This is useful for mining with AMD cards without modding the VBIOS.

It's not memory modded memory straps, it's just setting options wich exists in Radeon Settings - timings section. But without vbios modding it can significant increase speed.

-rxboost option is absent in this moment... I hope Phoenix will add it in future too.

interesting, thanks for the info! Never seen any timings settings in the drivers. I still use the best performing 18.6.1 and also without gui. will check it out later anyway.
Also regarding the Claymores "rxboost" I'd guess its REF and RFC that you can (among all other values) update with Amd mem tweak.  
Im hoping for Nvidia timings though:)

Be carefull, I didn't know will -mt work with old drivers or not...
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September 30, 2019, 11:58:15 AM
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I've noticed an issue where at least 1 of my RX5700 will crash after switching to ETC when mining on Nicehash. The crash happens after a few minutes (less than 10) and they will crash even if it's only a brief switch to ETC then back to ETH. Mining to a regular ETC pool does not have any issues. I've tried every config setting/flag I can think of to try to prevent it (-eres 0 -rvram -1 -lidag 0 through 3), and both drivers 19.9.1 and 19.9.2. This is using version 4.6c. Any other setting I should try?

So I had this happen again while just mining ETH to a regular ETH pool. Everything was fine, stable and had been running for over 28 hours. Then, a DAG switch occurred (updating to the next ETH DAG) and between 9 and 10 minutes later, one of the GPUs (RX 5700 XT) stopped working and the miner would have restarted, but I had -rmode 0 to see if/when it would crash. Any thoughts on this?
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September 30, 2019, 06:42:50 PM
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Just curious here -  are there any plans to introduce/integrate memory straps into the miner like Claymore's v15 does?
It's allready done by author:

  -mt <n> VRAM timings (AMD under Windows only): 0 - default VBIOS values; 1 - faster timings; 2 - fastest timings.
     The default is 0. This is useful for mining with AMD cards without modding the VBIOS.

It's not memory modded memory straps, it's just setting options wich exists in Radeon Settings - timings section. But without vbios modding it can significant increase speed.

-rxboost option is absent in this moment... I hope Phoenix will add it in future too.

interesting, thanks for the info! Never seen any timings settings in the drivers. I still use the best performing 18.6.1 and also without gui. will check it out later anyway.
Also regarding the Claymores "rxboost" I'd guess its REF and RFC that you can (among all other values) update with Amd mem tweak.  
Im hoping for Nvidia timings though:)

Be carefull, I didn't know will -mt work with old drivers or not...

Yep it doesn't. Just gives me this: "GPUx: Unable to set VMEM timing to 2 - error: -8"
Maybe I'll try to install 19.9.2 or something and see what's what.


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September 30, 2019, 07:21:43 PM
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Just curious here -  are there any plans to introduce/integrate memory straps into the miner like Claymore's v15 does?
It's allready done by author:

  -mt <n> VRAM timings (AMD under Windows only): 0 - default VBIOS values; 1 - faster timings; 2 - fastest timings.
     The default is 0. This is useful for mining with AMD cards without modding the VBIOS.

It's not memory modded memory straps, it's just setting options wich exists in Radeon Settings - timings section. But without vbios modding it can significant increase speed.

-rxboost option is absent in this moment... I hope Phoenix will add it in future too.

interesting, thanks for the info! Never seen any timings settings in the drivers. I still use the best performing 18.6.1 and also without gui. will check it out later anyway.
Also regarding the Claymores "rxboost" I'd guess its REF and RFC that you can (among all other values) update with Amd mem tweak.  
Im hoping for Nvidia timings though:)

Be carefull, I didn't know will -mt work with old drivers or not...

Yep it doesn't. Just gives me this: "GPUx: Unable to set VMEM timing to 2 - error: -8"
Maybe I'll try to install 19.9.2 or something and see what's what.

Yes, try to update drivers. This option appears only in 2019. Install latest WHQL, all works fine! Speed the same.
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September 30, 2019, 09:03:49 PM
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I NEED HELP PLEASE!!

I got a single RX 470 MSI Armor edition, core clocked to 1400MHz and memory to 2145MHz, +50% limit power, Voltage parameteres on Auto. Using Wattman, drivers 19.8.1. Card reaches its max power (127w).
I use nicehash to mine, I get about 45mh/s mining Lyra2rev3, and sometimes it switches to phoenixminer and does 22mh/s, using above 100w. But then, after like 3-4 minutes, it caps at 90W and does only 11Mhs, so it auto-switches back to TeamRedMiner (lyra2rev3). Is this a bug or does the programs limits the card to 90W for some reason?

Note* Card reaches 127W with full load on other miners as well.
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October 01, 2019, 01:28:08 AM
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Nicehash is still buggy.
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October 01, 2019, 04:57:24 AM
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Anyone tried 19.9.3 AMD drivers? Miner supports it?
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October 01, 2019, 05:19:01 AM
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I NEED HELP PLEASE!!

I got a single RX 470 MSI Armor edition, core clocked to 1400MHz and memory to 2145MHz, +50% limit power, Voltage parameteres on Auto. Using Wattman, drivers 19.8.1. Card reaches its max power (127w).
I use nicehash to mine, I get about 45mh/s mining Lyra2rev3, and sometimes it switches to phoenixminer and does 22mh/s, using above 100w. But then, after like 3-4 minutes, it caps at 90W and does only 11Mhs, so it auto-switches back to TeamRedMiner (lyra2rev3). Is this a bug or does the programs limits the card to 90W for some reason?

Note* Card reaches 127W with full load on other miners as well.

you should know that Polaris gpus (470 is polaris) are good for mining because you can heavily undervolt and in parallel overclock memory.
under no condition you should sun stock voltages of over 1v - safe area is around 850-875mv and also do not go above 1300MHz core.


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October 01, 2019, 06:40:10 AM
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I NEED HELP PLEASE!!

I got a single RX 470 MSI Armor edition, core clocked to 1400MHz and memory to 2145MHz, +50% limit power, Voltage parameteres on Auto. Using Wattman, drivers 19.8.1. Card reaches its max power (127w).
I use nicehash to mine, I get about 45mh/s mining Lyra2rev3, and sometimes it switches to phoenixminer and does 22mh/s, using above 100w. But then, after like 3-4 minutes, it caps at 90W and does only 11Mhs, so it auto-switches back to TeamRedMiner (lyra2rev3). Is this a bug or does the programs limits the card to 90W for some reason?

Note* Card reaches 127W with full load on other miners as well.

Normal behavior with Phoenix Miner. In fact the drivers hangs so the hasrate is reduced.

With Phoenix Miner and good settings you can reach +30Mh/s depending your memory.

My settings : 1140 MHz@900mV  for GPU, 2040 MHz and if you put the RXBoost option with AMDTweakMemory you get extra h/s normally your GPU will be around 75 W.
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October 01, 2019, 10:40:32 AM
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I NEED HELP PLEASE!!

I got a single RX 470 MSI Armor edition, core clocked to 1400MHz and memory to 2145MHz, +50% limit power, Voltage parameteres on Auto. Using Wattman, drivers 19.8.1. Card reaches its max power (127w).
I use nicehash to mine, I get about 45mh/s mining Lyra2rev3, and sometimes it switches to phoenixminer and does 22mh/s, using above 100w. But then, after like 3-4 minutes, it caps at 90W and does only 11Mhs, so it auto-switches back to TeamRedMiner (lyra2rev3). Is this a bug or does the programs limits the card to 90W for some reason?

Note* Card reaches 127W with full load on other miners as well.

Normal behavior with Phoenix Miner. In fact the drivers hangs so the hasrate is reduced.

With Phoenix Miner and good settings you can reach +30Mh/s depending your memory.

My settings : 1140 MHz@900mV  for GPU, 2040 MHz and if you put the RXBoost option with AMDTweakMemory you get extra h/s normally your GPU will be around 75 W.

hmm... Do you think you are actually qualified to give an advice on the subject?
1) driver does not "hang" in a way that "hasrate is reduced", it may get to 0 but its usually not the driver
2) 900 mv is not a good voltage
3) with all the tools available today for ploaris you should expect over 30mh and up to 33 (again at lower then 900mv)
4) I hope you understand that the power consumption numbers you are discussing here is total crap. His card on stock voltage and 1400 core consumes around 200W


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October 01, 2019, 11:15:45 AM
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I NEED HELP PLEASE!!

I got a single RX 470 MSI Armor edition, core clocked to 1400MHz and memory to 2145MHz, +50% limit power, Voltage parameteres on Auto. Using Wattman, drivers 19.8.1. Card reaches its max power (127w).
I use nicehash to mine, I get about 45mh/s mining Lyra2rev3, and sometimes it switches to phoenixminer and does 22mh/s, using above 100w. But then, after like 3-4 minutes, it caps at 90W and does only 11Mhs, so it auto-switches back to TeamRedMiner (lyra2rev3). Is this a bug or does the programs limits the card to 90W for some reason?

Note* Card reaches 127W with full load on other miners as well.

Normal behavior with Phoenix Miner. In fact the drivers hangs so the hasrate is reduced.

With Phoenix Miner and good settings you can reach +30Mh/s depending your memory.

My settings : 1140 MHz@900mV  for GPU, 2040 MHz and if you put the RXBoost option with AMDTweakMemory you get extra h/s normally your GPU will be around 75 W.

hmm... Do you think you are actually qualified to give an advice on the subject?
1) driver does not "hang" in a way that "hasrate is reduced", it may get to 0 but its usually not the driver
2) 900 mv is not a good voltage
3) with all the tools available today for ploaris you should expect over 30mh and up to 33 (again at lower then 900mv)
4) I hope you understand that the power consumption numbers you are discussing here is total crap. His card on stock voltage and 1400 core consumes around 200W

Mine 1170~1180 core on 875mV, that should be doable
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October 01, 2019, 11:33:05 AM
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here's an example for you. please note that for the sake of stability the cards are not maxed out. also there could be some issues with raisers - hence some low performing cards. it's in remote location and hashing non stop for two years now. rx570, 11 sapphires with elpida and 1 hynix all 4GB.
all modded bioses, 18.6.1 driver, OVDT for voltages, amd mem tweak for improved timings.



Combine two numbers and you'll get the power consumption around 130W, which is about right in this case. it takes total from the wall about 140W per gpu including fans, system and everything.


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October 01, 2019, 12:33:43 PM
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I NEED HELP PLEASE!!

I got a single RX 470 MSI Armor edition, core clocked to 1400MHz and memory to 2145MHz, +50% limit power, Voltage parameteres on Auto. Using Wattman, drivers 19.8.1. Card reaches its max power (127w).
I use nicehash to mine, I get about 45mh/s mining Lyra2rev3, and sometimes it switches to phoenixminer and does 22mh/s, using above 100w. But then, after like 3-4 minutes, it caps at 90W and does only 11Mhs, so it auto-switches back to TeamRedMiner (lyra2rev3). Is this a bug or does the programs limits the card to 90W for some reason?

Note* Card reaches 127W with full load on other miners as well.

Normal behavior with Phoenix Miner. In fact the drivers hangs so the hasrate is reduced.

With Phoenix Miner and good settings you can reach +30Mh/s depending your memory.

My settings : 1140 MHz@900mV  for GPU, 2040 MHz and if you put the RXBoost option with AMDTweakMemory you get extra h/s normally your GPU will be around 75 W.

hmm... Do you think you are actually qualified to give an advice on the subject?
1) driver does not "hang" in a way that "hasrate is reduced", it may get to 0 but its usually not the driver
2) 900 mv is not a good voltage
3) with all the tools available today for ploaris you should expect over 30mh and up to 33 (again at lower then 900mv)
4) I hope you understand that the power consumption numbers you are discussing here is total crap. His card on stock voltage and 1400 core consumes around 200W

Yes I think, but will not debate of that with you.

1. Yes it depends
2. It's a good start
3. I get's 31,140 Mhz per card on my RX470 4GB rig and 34 Mhz per card on my RX580 8 GB rig just under 900mV (I cant' go under 900mV and I don't know why...)
4. The power consumption I was talking about it's the  "GPU Power draw only" item from GPU-Z

If you have a tips for me to have 875mV please share with me. I tried MSI AB, Sapphire Trixx, OverDrive, AMD Tweak Memory... It's shows 875mV but never applied in GPU-Z
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October 01, 2019, 02:47:14 PM
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Asus RX580 8G Stock bios - 33.5Mh/s 1240Mhz core@875mV 2250Mhz memory - 93W  Tongue
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October 01, 2019, 04:13:51 PM
Last edit: October 01, 2019, 05:00:38 PM by Ursul0
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@Guigs321
I can tell you a funny story about buggy driver setup I have in my remote location.
Well, I currently have one very weird vegas setup: around driver 18.5.1 I had succeeded to connect two types of vegas on a same machine (1060 & polaris worked fine with both rx and fe separately even then, but vegas fe is a fucking nightmare, especially in its driver part or maybe it's just the remote conditions to blame, whatever. I remember that to set it up I needed to physically remove the cards, leave only vega fe: then there appears an an option to switch pro drivers to game mode and then I could install 18.5.1(I think) SAME adrenaline version for vegas rx. and it worked.
so anyway I finally got my hands on improving the vegas state - they were doing very low xmr on (my rebuild without the fee) stak-xmr, like 30% lower than I could get on later drivers without the FE presence:)
so, I was fixing the PowerPlay tables and by mistake applied not the FE PPT (that I had separately), but vega64's.
(to reduce ourageous voltage and as my vega fe was the dev0 - remember earlier? - cant move the cards around) I was getting GUI part of windows non working completely, so my vnc or rdp wont go through smooth - I saw very strange memory ranges sometimes:)...hell nothing worked or responded from gui
but I have hw reset watchdog, that I can access via cmd line...so... good thing I had admin access enabled, so using pstools I fucking nuked the registry key despite periodic disconnects and restarts -due to my awesome watchdog timeouts, while the AMD driver never fucking returns. (btw only logged in as the System account could modify the registry)

..it's now fine on latest rtm after applyng proper ppt and amdmemtweak. 56 refs are doing best over 2100 on xmr. all above 2000 and cool, taking 822W from 2*750 ... or is it three.. lol evga psus.

NOTE: I had there initially (its asus btc 13 slots mobo) 2*fe+2*vega64 ref+2*vega56ref so figuring out to take one fe out as a necessary step didn't appeal to me fast enough:) now I took one FE and one 64 refs out.


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October 01, 2019, 04:49:00 PM
Last edit: October 01, 2019, 05:24:08 PM by Ursul0
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here some pictures to the story of a hang in a driver:)
now tried to open hwinfo (and yeah it initiated the GPU query and I started to move the miner window inside just to fuck with it, otherwise its stable for days) to see the numbers and got this:


and here its recovered on itself after watchdog reset



note the volts  - still can be lower, may depend on card and condition, for instance sapphire 56 pulse with hands on I have here is running at 819mv I think and doing 43.5MH (as the head gpu with display dummy for bigger RealVNC display size - RDP works with any, but very heavy on resources and slow as hell on itself) on ETH


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October 01, 2019, 05:16:27 PM
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Anyone tried 19.9.3 AMD drivers? Miner supports it?
Checked by myself... Driver 19.9.3 is not supported! Miner needs update to support new drivers.
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October 01, 2019, 05:18:41 PM
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Anyone tried 19.9.3 AMD drivers? Miner supports it?
Checked by myself... Driver 19.9.3 is not supported! Miner needs update to support new drivers.
Not only that, but there was also changes how opencl work with kernels that we have right now, better stay on 19.9.2 at this moment.
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October 01, 2019, 05:25:20 PM
Last edit: October 01, 2019, 05:42:36 PM by Ursul0
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Anyone tried 19.9.3 AMD drivers? Miner supports it?
Checked by myself... Driver 19.9.3 is not supported! Miner needs update to support new drivers.

I told you 19.9.2 is the one to try - it gives slightly lower hashrate on polaris with my configs, but works well.
I think 19.9.2 is the improved one over the previous where they fixed 5700 dag(which is a must for support) bug... if I'm not mistaken or is it 7500... lol)


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