ODI cricket and general cricketing discussion [self - mod]

[coinism]

To be honest, in my opinion, it is not about the Businessman who runs the ICC but it's more about the mindset. We have seen businessmen handle a lot of clubs or sports bodies pretty successfully.
The thing is people need to have some passion for cricket otherwise they are obviously not going to think about the game and think about money every time. And that is not how ICC should be run.

You mean that mindset inside ICC is not serious about running the cricket. Its very much clear that ruling party in icc administration has no interest in promoting cricket to rest of the world that's why we only have 8 to 10 countries in cricket world cup. There are very few chances that more countries will join in with current administration.

[savetheFORUM]

To be honest, in my opinion, it is not about the Businessman who runs the ICC but it's more about the mindset. We have seen businessmen handle a lot of clubs or sports bodies pretty successfully.
The thing is people need to have some passion for cricket otherwise they are obviously not going to think about the game and think about money every time. And that is not how ICC should be run.

You mean that mindset inside ICC is not serious about running the cricket. Its very much clear that ruling party in icc administration has no interest in promoting cricket to rest of the world that's why we only have 8 to 10 countries in cricket world cup. There are very few chances that more countries will join in with current administration.

I agree with you here now with the introduction of IPL this mind-set is not having any intention about anything because few boards already having their share from them and ICC officials are already mostly under this mind-set. In near future we can face some big changes like bilateral cricket be more reduced or having just very few events and franchise cricket could be in good shape with just very few ICC events could be happened like Soccer FIFA World Cup.

Most chances most effected format could be ODI as mostly players like to join T20 and then ICC will try to keep going with test matches as well, even this could be just for very few countries like between eight and ten because no new country is going to have something interesting in this format.

[7788bitcoin]

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You mean that mindset inside ICC is not serious about running the cricket. Its very much clear that ruling party in icc administration has no interest in promoting cricket to rest of the world that's why we only have 8 to 10 countries in cricket world cup. There are very few chances that more countries will join in with current administration.

There are 12 full member teams playing Cricket and if you are not aware of it, there are 94 Associate member teams playing Cricket and if they perform well and raise their standard of cricket they will be playing the World Cup. Even for Soccer not all the countries that play will not get a chance to play the World Cup, they need to win the eligibility matches and even the 94 associate countries have the opportunity to participate and if they perform they will be fast tracked to the big leagues.

[mm2543363580]

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You mean that mindset inside ICC is not serious about running the cricket. Its very much clear that ruling party in icc administration has no interest in promoting cricket to rest of the world that's why we only have 8 to 10 countries in cricket world cup. There are very few chances that more countries will join in with current administration.

There are 12 full member teams playing Cricket and if you are not aware of it, there are 94 Associate member teams playing Cricket and if they perform well and raise their standard of cricket they will be playing the World Cup. Even for Soccer not all the countries that play will not get a chance to play the World Cup, they need to win the eligibility matches and even the 94 associate countries have the opportunity to participate and if they perform they will be fast tracked to the big leagues.

I  beleive it depends on region as well. When it is more views ICC give more preference to that region. BTW When is it going to start?
Thank you for the info - looking fwd to the real game. As cricket is very much admired and appreciated in our country we look fwd for the

[Sithara007]

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You mean that mindset inside ICC is not serious about running the cricket. Its very much clear that ruling party in icc administration has no interest in promoting cricket to rest of the world that's why we only have 8 to 10 countries in cricket world cup. There are very few chances that more countries will join in with current administration.

There are 12 full member teams playing Cricket and if you are not aware of it, there are 94 Associate member teams playing Cricket and if they perform well and raise their standard of cricket they will be playing the World Cup. Even for Soccer not all the countries that play will not get a chance to play the World Cup, they need to win the eligibility matches and even the 94 associate countries have the opportunity to participate and if they perform they will be fast tracked to the big leagues.

LOL..... out of these 94 associate nations, only 10-15 have natives playing for them. Others are simply made up entirely of Indian and Pakistani citizens (mostly medical students and expat businessmen). And even among these 10-15, cricket is dying down in a majority of the countries. For example, take the case of Netherlands. According to a recent estimate by the KNCB, more than 70% of the club cricket players in Netherlands are foreign citizens (mostly from Pakistan and other South Asian countries). 10 years ago, more than 70% of the players were native citizens.

[coinism]

I agree with you here now with the introduction of IPL this mind-set is not having any intention about anything because few boards already having their share from them and ICC officials are already mostly under this mind-set. In near future we can face some big changes like bilateral cricket be more reduced or having just very few events and franchise cricket could be in good shape with just very few ICC events could be happened like Soccer FIFA World Cup.

Most chances most effected format could be ODI as mostly players like to join T20 and then ICC will try to keep going with test matches as well, even this could be just for very few countries like between eight and ten because no new country is going to have something interesting in this format.

IPL is priority of icc for last few years and the reason is very obvious. There is no International cricket during the whole season of IPL and the management has stretched the tournament beyond limit by just having one match per day. T20 is good in a sense that it attracts people towards cricket which test and odi weren't able to do for decades. But T20 should not be promoted on cost of ignoring test and bilateral series.

[eaLiTy]

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IPL is priority of icc for last few years and the reason is very obvious. There is no International cricket during the whole season of IPL and the management has stretched the tournament beyond limit by just having one match per day. T20 is good in a sense that it attracts people towards cricket which test and odi weren't able to do for decades. But T20 should not be promoted on cost of ignoring test and bilateral series.

There is no priority for ICC regarding the IPL, ICC does not control bilateral series, those decisions are done between respective cricket boards and ICC and so is the case with IPL and other franchise Cricket but everything is done under the rules set formed by the ICC. If there is any issues with any of the Cricket boards on sending their players i am sure they will not be picked

The catch is that these Cricket boards will get paid from the BCCI for allowing their players to play in the IPL and in that scenario do you really think that these Cricket boards will create an issue.

[DanWalker]

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IPL is priority of icc for last few years and the reason is very obvious. There is no International cricket during the whole season of IPL and the management has stretched the tournament beyond limit by just having one match per day. T20 is good in a sense that it attracts people towards cricket which test and odi weren't able to do for decades. But T20 should not be promoted on cost of ignoring test and bilateral series.

There is no priority for ICC regarding the IPL, ICC does not control bilateral series, those decisions are done between respective cricket boards and ICC and so is the case with IPL and other franchise Cricket but everything is done under the rules set formed by the ICC. If there is any issues with any of the Cricket boards on sending their players i am sure they will not be picked

The catch is that these Cricket boards will get paid from the BCCI for allowing their players to play in the IPL and in that scenario do you really think that these Cricket boards will create an issue.

I have read both conversations and both of you make really good sense but I need to add that it is just not right that International Cricket will be stopped or heavily affected just because of IPL.
it's not like football where club football is everything and even the love of football is heavily prioritized,  if the players are called for international duties they have to leave. and here we have the opposite situation.

[minairia3]

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You mean that mindset inside ICC is not serious about running the cricket. Its very much clear that ruling party in icc administration has no interest in promoting cricket to rest of the world that's why we only have 8 to 10 countries in cricket world cup. There are very few chances that more countries will join in with current administration.

There are 12 full member teams playing Cricket and if you are not aware of it, there are 94 Associate member teams playing Cricket and if they perform well and raise their standard of cricket they will be playing the World Cup. Even for Soccer not all the countries that play will not get a chance to play the World Cup, they need to win the eligibility matches and even the 94 associate countries have the opportunity to participate and if they perform they will be fast tracked to the big leagues.

LOL..... out of these 94 associate nations, only 10-15 have natives playing for them. Others are simply made up entirely of Indian and Pakistani citizens (mostly medical students and expat businessmen). And even among these 10-15, cricket is dying down in a majority of the countries. For example, take the case of Netherlands. According to a recent estimate by the KNCB, more than 70% of the club cricket players in Netherlands are foreign citizens (mostly from Pakistan and other South Asian countries). 10 years ago, more than 70% of the players were native citizens.

I really think the first step by ICC should be increasing the number of teams that are playing the cricket World Cup right now. Because if any team which is not known worldwide can somehow pull off a good performance in the world cup, is obviously going to be interested in cricket after that.

Obviously, that is just one part of the job,  ICC should also work to increase the popularity of cricket worldwide and especially in those countries which are not really interested in cricket. otherwise, the teams are going to be always made up of foreign players.

[dezoel]

I have read both conversations and both of you make really good sense but I need to add that it is just not right that International Cricket will be stopped or heavily affected just because of IPL.
it's not like football where club football is everything and even the love of football is heavily prioritized,  if the players are called for international duties they have to leave. and here we have the opposite situation.

I think you have no complete update about this now it's going to be like soccer and here IPL teams are prioritized instead of national teams in many cases as we recently have South Africa vs Bangladesh mostly players were in IPL, and they were not allowed for their national duty even it's agreement between two boards so it all happened without any problem.

In next few years we will have change in many things because now franchise cricket is spreading, and national duty is not important for many players, even few are already having early retirement from their teams just for these franchise crickets.

Right now, we have things which are going to be having more impact with these things but need some revolutionary change and no one can stop this because ICC is never been an ideal authority for having some stick rules for countries or players.

[DanWalker]

I think you have no complete update about this now it's going to be like soccer and here IPL teams are prioritized instead of national teams in many cases as we recently have South Africa vs Bangladesh mostly players were in IPL, and they were not allowed for their national duty even it's agreement between two boards so it all happened without any problem.

In next few years we will have change in many things because now franchise cricket is spreading, and national duty is not important for many players, even few are already having early retirement from their teams just for these franchise crickets.

Right now, we have things which are going to be having more impact with these things but need some revolutionary change and no one can stop this because ICC is never been an ideal authority for having some stick rules for countries or players.

I understand that the stage of international cricket and club cricket is changing. and I think it is happening for the good of cricket because it might increase the popularity of cricket altogether.

But I don't see why a player who is not retired from international cricket, is supposed to prioritize franchise cricket more than his national duty. I understand that that pay is really good but I still don't think that franchise cricket can offer what International Cricket can. or maybe I'm just a boomer who enjoys international cricket a little more than franchise cricket.

[Sithara007]

I understand that the stage of international cricket and club cricket is changing. and I think it is happening for the good of cricket because it might increase the popularity of cricket altogether.

But I don't see why a player who is not retired from international cricket, is supposed to prioritize franchise cricket more than his national duty. I understand that that pay is really good but I still don't think that franchise cricket can offer what International Cricket can. or maybe I'm just a boomer who enjoys international cricket a little more than franchise cricket.

Cricket is just like any other profession. You can't force the players to turn down a high paying offer (just like the case with any other career). The salary levels in IPL is 10x or 20x of what the players receive in international matches. Given this, can you really force the players to opt for international matches, when the IPL is ongoing? It is extremely unfair. Some of the cricket boards, such as the one in South Africa has done this and in the end many of the players were forced to take retirement.

[Juggy777]

I understand that the stage of international cricket and club cricket is changing. and I think it is happening for the good of cricket because it might increase the popularity of cricket altogether.

But I don't see why a player who is not retired from international cricket, is supposed to prioritize franchise cricket more than his national duty. I understand that that pay is really good but I still don't think that franchise cricket can offer what International Cricket can. or maybe I'm just a boomer who enjoys international cricket a little more than franchise cricket.

Cricket is just like any other profession. You can't force the players to turn down a high paying offer (just like the case with any other career). The salary levels in IPL is 10x or 20x of what the players receive in international matches. Given this, can you really force the players to opt for international matches, when the IPL is ongoing? It is extremely unfair. Some of the cricket boards, such as the one in South Africa has done this and in the end many of the players were forced to take retirement.

I believe the answer is simple a player gets more attention, respect, and most importantly more money in league matches then he ever would while playing in international matches. Also I’m not saying that international matches aren’t important now but cricket has evolved and so has cricketers lifestyle, and hence they need these leagues money to keep up with their lavish lifestyle, and honestly I see nothing wrong with it if they prioritise playing more T20 matches over ODI.

[JSRAW]

I understand that the stage of international cricket and club cricket is changing. and I think it is happening for the good of cricket because it might increase the popularity of cricket altogether.

But I don't see why a player who is not retired from international cricket, is supposed to prioritize franchise cricket more than his national duty. I understand that that pay is really good but I still don't think that franchise cricket can offer what International Cricket can. or maybe I'm just a boomer who enjoys international cricket a little more than franchise cricket.

Cricket is just like any other profession. You can't force the players to turn down a high paying offer (just like the case with any other career). The salary levels in IPL is 10x or 20x of what the players receive in international matches. Given this, can you really force the players to opt for international matches, when the IPL is ongoing? It is extremely unfair. Some of the cricket boards, such as the one in South Africa has done this and in the end many of the players were forced to take retirement.

I remember i posted something related to this like, 2 months IPL salary comparison to their annually national contract (south africa).

South African players make 8-10 (Given they are contracted from their respective board for that long) years worth of money from just 1 season of IPL.   

[blatchcorn]

Cricket is just like any other profession. You can't force the players to turn down a high paying offer (just like the case with any other career). The salary levels in IPL is 10x or 20x of what the players receive in international matches. Given this, can you really force the players to opt for international matches, when the IPL is ongoing? It is extremely unfair. Some of the cricket boards, such as the one in South Africa has done this and in the end many of the players were forced to take retirement.

Then all boards less PCB have to make a consent that there will be zero bilateral series during the whole IPL duration. On the other hand IPL can be completed in one month easily, as we have one match going on per day. Two months is quite a long duration and its difficult for some boards to stop there cricket for two months.   

[MinMan]

Cricket is just like any other profession. You can't force the players to turn down a high paying offer (just like the case with any other career). The salary levels in IPL is 10x or 20x of what the players receive in international matches. Given this, can you really force the players to opt for international matches, when the IPL is ongoing? It is extremely unfair. Some of the cricket boards, such as the one in South Africa has done this and in the end many of the players were forced to take retirement.

Then all boards less PCB have to make a consent that there will be zero bilateral series during the whole IPL duration. On the other hand IPL can be completed in one month easily, as we have one match going on per day. Two months is quite a long duration and its difficult for some boards to stop there cricket for two months.   

With current situation no one caring about PCB because BCCI is doing this all with their own agenda which is backed by all other big boards around cricketing community so if they are spreading this from one month to two months it's not hurting anyone as we can watch players those are interested in IPL they are enjoying here and those are not they are playing in England as now their season is also started.

So, it all ends with IPL is having some good benefit mostly it's dry season for all cricketing nations they have no bilateral series with this all I am feeling in near future we will have some more teams in IPL because with this they will generate more money and few other boards also having more money with this all because bilateral series are not giving them profit like they will have from IPL and their player's involvement in this event.

[DanWalker]

I understand that the stage of international cricket and club cricket is changing. and I think it is happening for the good of cricket because it might increase the popularity of cricket altogether.

But I don't see why a player who is not retired from international cricket, is supposed to prioritize franchise cricket more than his national duty. I understand that that pay is really good but I still don't think that franchise cricket can offer what International Cricket can. or maybe I'm just a boomer who enjoys international cricket a little more than franchise cricket.

Cricket is just like any other profession. You can't force the players to turn down a high paying offer (just like the case with any other career). The salary levels in IPL is 10x or 20x of what the players receive in international matches. Given this, can you really force the players to opt for international matches, when the IPL is ongoing? It is extremely unfair. Some of the cricket boards, such as the one in South Africa has done this and in the end many of the players were forced to take retirement.

The money is really good in the IPL. Because it generates more money and that's why there is more money to give to the players.
So this brings me to another question.
why is not the international stage able to make so much money? And
why is a player more likely to retire from international cricket just so that he can concentrate on IPL and franchise cricket?

obviously, there is a big communication gap between the players and the cricket board and that is obviously not helping the situation.

I believe the answer is simple a player gets more attention, respect, and most importantly more money in league matches then he ever would while playing in international matches. Also I’m not saying that international matches aren’t important now but cricket has evolved and so has cricketers lifestyle, and hence they need these leagues money to keep up with their lavish lifestyle, and honestly I see nothing wrong with it if they prioritise playing more T20 matches over ODI.

I don't know about attention or respect but I am sure about the money and that is a big reason why a lot of older players retired from international cricket and play franchise cricket only.
Because at that stage of their career they have achieved most of the things that they could have, and they need assurance for their future days in their life, and you know, playing IPL certainly grants them that assurance.

[KennyR]

I understand that the stage of international cricket and club cricket is changing. and I think it is happening for the good of cricket because it might increase the popularity of cricket altogether.

But I don't see why a player who is not retired from international cricket, is supposed to prioritize franchise cricket more than his national duty. I understand that that pay is really good but I still don't think that franchise cricket can offer what International Cricket can. or maybe I'm just a boomer who enjoys international cricket a little more than franchise cricket.

Cricket is just like any other profession. You can't force the players to turn down a high paying offer (just like the case with any other career). The salary levels in IPL is 10x or 20x of what the players receive in international matches. Given this, can you really force the players to opt for international matches, when the IPL is ongoing? It is extremely unfair. Some of the cricket boards, such as the one in South Africa has done this and in the end many of the players were forced to take retirement.

I remember i posted something related to this like, 2 months IPL salary comparison to their annually national contract (south africa).

South African players make 8-10 (Given they are contracted from their respective board for that long) years worth of money from just 1 season of IPL.   

Based on the availability of the player will be the pay. This makes the international players participate into IPL even when there is matches going on in the country. Based on the performance will be the auction value for the players once the contract ends every three years. This makes them give more importance on performing well in the IPL as there is limited number of foreign players need to be auctioned by a team. Anyhow it is always a proven fact, money plays big role everywhere.

[Sithara007]

I remember i posted something related to this like, 2 months IPL salary comparison to their annually national contract (south africa).

South African players make 8-10 (Given they are contracted from their respective board for that long) years worth of money from just 1 season of IPL.  

On top of that, there is this quota system within South Africa, which makes it extremely difficult for the white players to remain contracted for that long. Therefore, IMO the South African board doesn't have any right to demand that the players should give priority to national duties. When they are being discriminated for selection, how can the board demand something like this? The same can be said about the WICB (West Indies Cricket Board) as well. IPL salaries are 10x or 20x of the contract salaries offered by WICB.

[coinism]

On top of that, there is this quota system within South Africa, which makes it extremely difficult for the white players to remain contracted for that long. Therefore, IMO the South African board doesn't have any right to demand that the players should give priority to national duties. When they are being discriminated for selection, how can the board demand something like this? The same can be said about the WICB (West Indies Cricket Board) as well. IPL salaries are 10x or 20x of the contract salaries offered by WICB.

This issue has been discussed so many times that White were dominating the natives black. This quota system has been introduced so that native people can join the team. As far as playing IPL is concerned, its painful to see Francois du Plessis and alike making money at IPL while national squad is losing ODI series at home to team like Bangladesh.