ODI cricket and general cricketing discussion [self - mod]

[Sithara007]

Simply handing over Test status to countries is not solution. Test format is a dead cow except for few countries. Limited overs cricket, especially T-20 is the future. IMHO They should make qualification process easy and go ahead with 16-20 countries T-20WC tournament.

You cant simply create quality T20 team from no where. Unless you have a domestic setup where test and odi is played only then you can create a T20I team. The problem is new countries are not willing to join in and teams of usa, uae, germany are made up of immigrants from South Asia.

Look at FIFA. They are spending millions of USD every year to each of the weaker teams. On the other hand, the ICC hardly provides any funding for the associate nations. On average, they receive only a few tens of thousands of USD every year in grants. So it is not practical to ask these teams to compete against test nations all of a sudden. Improving the quality of associate teams may take many years. And for that continued support is required from not just the ICC, but also from the 12 test nations. 

[eaLiTy]

Look at FIFA. They are spending millions of USD every year to each of the weaker teams. On the other hand, the ICC hardly provides any funding for the associate nations. On average, they receive only a few tens of thousands of USD every year in grants. So it is not practical to ask these teams to compete against test nations all of a sudden. Improving the quality of associate teams may take many years. And for that continued support is required from not just the ICC, but also from the 12 test nations.  

This is a wrong concept, FIFA will spend money to the teams qualifying in the final 32 who is playing the World Cup, other than that their respective national Football team has to fund the team and meet the expenses as it is practically impossible to fund all the teams. Once you are qualified they get $1.5 million each and then there is a compensation for the Football clubs to release the players for the World Cup.

To improve the game each and every country has to improve their infrastructure be Cricket, Football or any other sporting event, you cannot expect the general body to fund you in identifying young talents or improving the quality of the event.

[UmerIdrees]

There is no ODI going on and this thread has nothing to discuss about ODI. In fact we are discussing IPL a T20 format in ODI thread. Is there anyone else like me who wanna see international cricket back in action? I dont think blackout of ODI for such a long time is good for cricket fans.

It's been a long break in international cricket because everyone is busy in IPL and in IPL seasons, there are no other formats and series scheduled.

Anyways, I don't think anyone (other than me) is missing ODI / Test Matches as everyone must be enjoying IPL matches. People in Pakistan have no access to watch these matches live. 

[mm2543363580]

There is no ODI going on and this thread has nothing to discuss about ODI. In fact we are discussing IPL a T20 format in ODI thread. Is there anyone else like me who wanna see international cricket back in action? I dont think blackout of ODI for such a long time is good for cricket fans.

It's been a long break in international cricket because everyone is busy in IPL and in IPL seasons, there are no other formats and series scheduled.

Anyways, I don't think anyone (other than me) is missing ODI / Test Matches as everyone must be enjoying IPL matches. People in Pakistan have no access to watch these matches live. 

That is why we can ask Indian members to keep us updated on IPL, but there are so many team and long lists of matches that it is hard to keep a track of all of them. I think there is not much hype for IPL. I am not sure if I am correct but earlier we saw many celebrates supporting IPL but haven't seen any in a while.

[7788bitcoin]

It's been a long break in international cricket because everyone is busy in IPL and in IPL seasons, there are no other formats and series scheduled.

Anyways, I don't think anyone (other than me) is missing ODI / Test Matches as everyone must be enjoying IPL matches. People in Pakistan have no access to watch these matches live. 

When i googled it shows that you will be able to watch the IPL through Yupp TV which is a streaming service and available in Geo Super (TBC). I am also watching the match with the help of streaming service, so if you really want to watch the match, it is possible to view them. Since you claimed that people in Pakistan has no access to watch the matches i am pointing this out as those are the official broadcast partners for the IPL this season.

[JohnBitCo]

There is no ODI going on and this thread has nothing to discuss about ODI. In fact we are discussing IPL a T20 format in ODI thread. Is there anyone else like me who wanna see international cricket back in action? I dont think blackout of ODI for such a long time is good for cricket fans.

It's been a long break in international cricket because everyone is busy in IPL and in IPL seasons, there are no other formats and series scheduled.

Anyways, I don't think anyone (other than me) is missing ODI / Test Matches as everyone must be enjoying IPL matches. People in Pakistan have no access to watch these matches live. 

Don't know how can you say that you can't access IPL matches when everything is broadcast online. Even if the matches are not shown on your TV channels, you can watch them online through various subscriptions (by paying of course )or watch illegal broadcasts through Facebook for free.

[KennyR]

There is no ODI going on and this thread has nothing to discuss about ODI. In fact we are discussing IPL a T20 format in ODI thread. Is there anyone else like me who wanna see international cricket back in action? I dont think blackout of ODI for such a long time is good for cricket fans.

It's been a long break in international cricket because everyone is busy in IPL and in IPL seasons, there are no other formats and series scheduled.

Anyways, I don't think anyone (other than me) is missing ODI / Test Matches as everyone must be enjoying IPL matches. People in Pakistan have no access to watch these matches live. 

That is why we can ask Indian members to keep us updated on IPL, but there are so many team and long lists of matches that it is hard to keep a track of all of them. I think there is not much hype for IPL. I am not sure if I am correct but earlier we saw many celebrates supporting IPL but haven't seen any in a while.

What you've said is true. This time there is not much of celebrities found. To some extent there is a need for celebrities to support the league in terms of promotion. Now IPL have evolved as a brand and things were happening good. So, it is quite rare to see celebrities. During the CSK vs MI final the viewers count on the official broadcasting app reached 8.3million. This shows how big the league have changed through these many seasons.

[galambo]

It's been a long break in international cricket because everyone is busy in IPL and in IPL seasons, there are no other formats and series scheduled.

Anyways, I don't think anyone (other than me) is missing ODI / Test Matches as everyone must be enjoying IPL matches. People in Pakistan have no access to watch these matches live. 

ODI, Test and T20I have there own class and can't be compared with any league. You also have taken long break from this cricket threads, I remember you are a regular poster here. Pakistan has banned airing of IPL since IPL has banned inclusion of Pakistan players.

[Sithara007]

This is a wrong concept, FIFA will spend money to the teams qualifying in the final 32 who is playing the World Cup, other than that their respective national Football team has to fund the team and meet the expenses as it is practically impossible to fund all the teams. Once you are qualified they get $1.5 million each and then there is a compensation for the Football clubs to release the players for the World Cup.

To improve the game each and every country has to improve their infrastructure be Cricket, Football or any other sporting event, you cannot expect the general body to fund you in identifying young talents or improving the quality of the event.

That's not true. Obviously the 32 countries who qualify for the world cup will be receiving a proportionally higher amount. From the next world cup onwards, the number of participants will be 48. On the other hand, the ICC world cup features a total of 10 teams. And for all the 211 national associations of FIFA, they provide a funding of $250,000 per year for a project of their choice. There are further grants and loans being given to these members for FIFA projects. On the other hand, most of the 94 associate members of the ICC receive funds worth $10,000-$20,000 per year.

[DanWalker]

1. 70-80% revenue comes from the India. In ICC tournaments big chunk of fans only watch matches when their fav team is playing or in some cases, when high quality teams are facing each other. So let's say there are 10 teams in the tournament and every team is playing 4-5 matches in every group. So big markets like India, England and Australia (mainly Indian) playing limited amount of matches. Fans are obviously going to invest time in their own team instead of WI vs Ban or Pak vs SL, hence ICC earn money from limited amount of fixtures mainly Indian fixtures.
In contrast in IPL even dull match is capable to generate enough clicks, let's say 5-ish millions and that's only streaming services, not even talking about other services like cable tv.

2. Life of athlete is short so it normal for players to look into their own interest due to paycheck.

In the whole cricketing world, IPL is quite popular but the problem is cricket is not very popular altogether and that has certainly limited the revenue that is being generated by cricket as a whole. and it is true that 70 to 80% of the revenue is generated from India and that alone shows the situation of cricket by itself. It is quite safe to invest money in club matches instead of International matches.
when even not interesting matches are generating a lot of revenue then why would someone put his money on some International stage of cricket?

Players are obviously going to look for a bigger paycheck because their life as an athlete is not very long and they also have to worry about the life after their retirement.

Really did'nt got what you wanna say in Point 1.
Players do have there own choice but national duty is also important. Its the national team that introduces a player to the world and is picked up by league like IPL or BBL. WI and RSA cricket is destroyed because of IPL, a players are no more interested in national duty since they earn more from IPL.

DanWalker's query was related to ICC (international stage) vs IPL revenue.

I wanted to point out that ICC earn less amount of money due to this main reason (based on ICC tournaments like T-20 WC, WC).
- Only BIG 3 fixtures generate enough money in ICC tourney, mainly India.
- Rest of the fixtures in the ICC Tourney are not profitable, barring few.
- IPL revenue only depends on the local market, which is already big.

ICC is obviously not going to get enough money unless there are more teams interested in cricket. I think most of the money generated by cricket comes from the subcontinent because the fans here are just crazy about cricket. It doesn't look like ICC has any big plans for expanding cricket as a game. so I don't see bigger revenue being generated by cricket in the recent future.

ICC very much interested in increasing the revenue that's why they lobbied hard for at least one ICC tournament every year. Problem is they only want to milk the Indian market, for example deliberately trying to push ICC media rights auction before IPL's media auction.

Simply handing over Test status to countries is not solution. Test format is a dead cow except for few countries. Limited overs cricket, especially T-20 is the future. IMHO They should make qualification process easy and go ahead with 16-20 countries T-20WC tournament.

At start there is a possibility that it won't be profitable because you have to subsidise new participants. Also it could turn into financial disaster (like 2007), plus bit dull tournament at times due to mis-matched fixtures but in a longer run it could solve many problems because cricketing market would mature in those new countries, given ICC playing its cards right (like involving locals, publicity etc) but for this to happen ICC have to bite the bullet.   

I really don't see the point of increasing the number of tournaments instead of trying to increase the number of teams that are playing cricket regularly. The same amount of fans is going to be bored of cricket if the same thing was on again and again. And yes test status is just not an option and if the revenue is needed to be made bigger I think ICC needs to introduce more and more countries to ODI and T20 cricket.

[galambo]

That's not true. Obviously the 32 countries who qualify for the world cup will be receiving a proportionally higher amount. From the next world cup onwards, the number of participants will be 48. On the other hand, the ICC world cup features a total of 10 teams. And for all the 211 national associations of FIFA, they provide a funding of $250,000 per year for a project of their choice. There are further grants and loans being given to these members for FIFA projects. On the other hand, most of the 94 associate members of the ICC receive funds worth $10,000-$20,000 per year.

Just like you can't compare apple with orange's, likewise we can't compare icc with fifa. Though cricket is old game but it failed to get global popularity and remain confined to South Asia mostly or we can say countries where UK ruled once. Even associate level teams are capable of beating top teams in fifa while that's not the case in icc tournaments.

[pakhitheboss]

There is no ODI going on and this thread has nothing to discuss about ODI. In fact we are discussing IPL a T20 format in ODI thread. Is there anyone else like me who wanna see international cricket back in action? I dont think blackout of ODI for such a long time is good for cricket fans.

It's been a long break in international cricket because everyone is busy in IPL and in IPL seasons, there are no other formats and series scheduled.

Anyways, I don't think anyone (other than me) is missing ODI / Test Matches as everyone must be enjoying IPL matches. People in Pakistan have no access to watch these matches live.  

That is why we can ask Indian members to keep us updated on IPL, but there are so many team and long lists of matches that it is hard to keep a track of all of them. I think there is not much hype for IPL. I am not sure if I am correct but earlier we saw many celebrates supporting IPL but haven't seen any in a while.

What you've said is true. This time there is not much of celebrities found. To some extent there is a need for celebrities to support the league in terms of promotion. Now IPL have evolved as a brand and things were happening good. So, it is quite rare to see celebrities. During the CSK vs MI final the viewers count on the official broadcasting app reached 8.3million. This shows how big the league have changed through these many seasons.

Celebrities only appear when they get money. IPL franchises are already famous and I guess they do not need the support of celebrities to market their brand. Cricketers themselves are now celebs in IPL and are now promoting their franchise through numerous advertisements. I do not think in the future you would see many celebrities coming to see the matches unless they are friends of an owner. I do think some of them might appear during the semifinals and finals this season. Also for IPL-related discussion, you can visit the T20 thread.

[kro55]

What you've said is true. This time there is not much of celebrities found. To some extent there is a need for celebrities to support the league in terms of promotion. Now IPL have evolved as a brand and things were happening good. So, it is quite rare to see celebrities. During the CSK vs MI final the viewers count on the official broadcasting app reached 8.3million. This shows how big the league have changed through these many seasons.

Celebrities only appear when they get money. IPL franchises are already famous and I guess they do not need the support of celebrities to market their brand. Cricketers themselves are now celebs in IPL and are now promoting their franchise through numerous advertisements. I do not think in the future you would see many celebrities coming to see the matches unless they are friends of an owner. I do think some of them might appear during the semifinals and finals this season. Also for IPL-related discussion, you can visit the T20 thread.

I know that a lot of people are divided about the celebrity situation in the IPL and so am I because I don't know if celebrities are the reason why the IPL is going to get some boost at this stage. I have seen various ads about the IPL and I really find them hilarious even without the celebrities but probably something new could have been done with the help of the celebrities. Anyway, we have a match between Kolkata Knight Riders and Rajasthan Royals today and I think Rajasthan Royals are going to win this match without any doubt. You know KKR have lost all the previous five out of the five matches and I don't expect too much from them this IPL.

[Minor Miner]

This is a wrong concept, FIFA will spend money to the teams qualifying in the final 32 who is playing the World Cup, other than that their respective national Football team has to fund the team and meet the expenses as it is practically impossible to fund all the teams. Once you are qualified they get $1.5 million each and then there is a compensation for the Football clubs to release the players for the World Cup.

To improve the game each and every country has to improve their infrastructure be Cricket, Football or any other sporting event, you cannot expect the general body to fund you in identifying young talents or improving the quality of the event.

That's not true. Obviously the 32 countries who qualify for the world cup will be receiving a proportionally higher amount. From the next world cup onwards, the number of participants will be 48. On the other hand, the ICC world cup features a total of 10 teams. And for all the 211 national associations of FIFA, they provide a funding of $250,000 per year for a project of their choice. There are further grants and loans being given to these members for FIFA projects. On the other hand, most of the 94 associate members of the ICC receive funds worth $10,000-$20,000 per year.

I think this might be an argument that is not relatable because FIFA can generate a lot more money than the ICC and the main reason is that football is played by almost all the countries in the world and cricket is hardly played outside the 10 or 12  regularly cricket playing countries. 

So obviously the revenue is going to be a lot lower. and that's why I don't understand why ICC is not trying to increase the number of countries that play cricket regularly otherwise, the money generated is not going to be better.

[coinism]

I think this might be an argument that is not relatable because FIFA can generate a lot more money than the ICC and the main reason is that football is played by almost all the countries in the world and cricket is hardly played outside the 10 or 12  regularly cricket playing countries. 

So obviously the revenue is going to be a lot lower. and that's why I don't understand why ICC is not trying to increase the number of countries that play cricket regularly otherwise, the money generated is not going to be better.

ICC now has idea that cricket can't go beyond these 10 countries that's why it's not focusing on bringing new countries to cricket paradigm. Right now everything is IPL centric as icc is getting fair share from ipl so not much emphasis on that side.

[JSRAW]

ICC very much interested in increasing the revenue that's why they lobbied hard for at least one ICC tournament every year. Problem is they only want to milk the Indian market, for example deliberately trying to push ICC media rights auction before IPL's media auction.

Simply handing over Test status to countries is not solution. Test format is a dead cow except for few countries. Limited overs cricket, especially T-20 is the future. IMHO They should make qualification process easy and go ahead with 16-20 countries T-20WC tournament.

At start there is a possibility that it won't be profitable because you have to subsidise new participants. Also it could turn into financial disaster (like 2007), plus bit dull tournament at times due to mis-matched fixtures but in a longer run it could solve many problems because cricketing market would mature in those new countries, given ICC playing its cards right (like involving locals, publicity etc) but for this to happen ICC have to bite the bullet.  

I really don't see the point of increasing the number of tournaments instead of trying to increase the number of teams that are playing cricket regularly. The same amount of fans is going to be bored of cricket if the same thing was on again and again. And yes test status is just not an option and if the revenue is needed to be made bigger I think ICC needs to introduce more and more countries to ODI and T20 cricket.

Not safe investment at start but imo it should be reasonable solution if you're looking at big picture or focusing on long term goal (spreading the game).

Sure some fixtures are going to be dud but that's part of the deal. Also fans have the loudest voice regarding why aren't there more teams in the WC.  

[romero121]

Same as that we see in the FIFA, cricket needs to be encouraged with more countries. Different levels of qualifiers needs to be conducted, so to give opportunity to new teams. Playing with limited number of teams shrunk the fanbase within specific countries and cricket will be termed as the sport of specific regions. With the T20 leagues more countries have slowly started to practice cricket.

[Sithara007]

Just like you can't compare apple with orange's, likewise we can't compare icc with fifa. Though cricket is old game but it failed to get global popularity and remain confined to South Asia mostly or we can say countries where UK ruled once. Even associate level teams are capable of beating top teams in fifa while that's not the case in icc tournaments.

I disagree with the last part of your argument. The chance of an associate side defeating a full member is much more in cricket, when compared to football (there is no associate/full divide in football, and FIFA treats all of them equally). Netherlands have defeated England not once but twice in T20 World Cup. Then we have dozens of upsets occurring in various ICC tournaments. The associate nations hardly ever get a chance to compete against the test nations outside the ICC tournaments, and that is why we almost never hear about such outcomes outside the ICC tournaments.

[pakhitheboss]

Same as that we see in the FIFA, cricket needs to be encouraged with more countries. Different levels of qualifiers needs to be conducted, so to give opportunity to new teams. Playing with limited number of teams shrunk the fanbase within specific countries and cricket will be termed as the sport of specific regions. With the T20 leagues more countries have slowly started to practice cricket.

These new teams that are playing the T20 format will not be able to play ODI or Test cricket. All three formats are very different and require different skills. T20 has been beneficial in the growth of cricket but a country cannot only play T20 they need players to play other formats. Unfortunately, there are hardly any players outside the known teams that can play. I think slowly T20 will kill other formats of cricket no matter how hard ICC tries in the future.

[coinism]

These new teams that are playing the T20 format will not be able to play ODI or Test cricket. All three formats are very different and require different skills. T20 has been beneficial in the growth of cricket but a country cannot only play T20 they need players to play other formats. Unfortunately, there are hardly any players outside the known teams that can play. I think slowly T20 will kill other formats of cricket no matter how hard ICC tries in the future.

The future of cricket lies in T20. We have seen that with test and odi you can't include more teams in cricket eco-system. ICC also knows that,  right now we have only one team i.e. Afghanistan which is extraordinary in T20 but not not that good in ODI and test. If ICC move on with T20 then more teams will join in.