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April 02, 2015, 02:48:22 PM
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Two worrying reports:

American armored vehicles are shooting at the suburbs of Mariupol. It looks like the American proxy army is starting yet another assault on the Russians of Novorossia. And the Americans are field-testing a new tank of their own.

Shooting was done against Shirokino, near Mariupol. The American heavy tank showed several times on the Ukrainian news as well, where they call it "Black Panther" or "Black Death". The tank uses large calibre shells and heat sensor, allowing the aggressors to see the groups of the Novorossian Armed forces. The tanks has a non-standard form with an elongated turret and the bow being far to the front of the motor section. It also shoots with projectiles of a new type - the houses that it hits are simply obliterated. It's reaction time is less than a minute.

http://tvzvezda.ru/news/vstrane_i_mire/content/201504021023-chms.htm

Also, when NAF destroys Nazi sabotage/recon groups, they find American-made ammunition and bandage packets, with instructions in English and Polish.



On the 27th of March OCSE registered a massive mortar shelling of Shirokino - 225 artillery strikes in all. Shelling happened from the direction of Berdjansk, near Mariupol:
http://lenta.ru/news/2015/03/29/osce/

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April 03, 2015, 02:42:12 AM
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The Russian angle and the Arab mentality factor in the Yemeni conflict

April 2, 2015
Shamil Sultanov
Izborsky Club
Translated by Kristina Rus


Ground operation in Yemen may begin any day now. This was announced by the representative of the government, who fled to Saudi Arabia. A small state with a tribal system became a toy in the hands of American and Saudi elites. In an interview with "Business Online" Shamil Sultanov, a member of the Izborsky Club, the head of the center "Russia - Islamic world", talked about the situation.

http://fortruss.blogspot.com/2015/04/the-russian-angle-and-arab-mentality.html

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April 03, 2015, 10:10:47 PM
Last edit: April 03, 2015, 10:30:44 PM by Nemo1024
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Some progress seems to be made near Mariupol. OCSE mediated talks between Russian-speaking commanders of DNR and Russian-speaking commanders of Ukraine, resulting in that the tanks may be pulled fromt he contact zone:

Militia and Kiev forces establish dialogue in eastern Ukraine — coordination center
http://tass.ru/en/world/787112



Citizens of self-proclaimed Luhansk republic to get passports
http://tass.ru/en/world/787127

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The passport will contain all the information in the Russian language, in particular on the place of birth, marital status, children, and military duty. The document will be issued only for those who have an official resident registration.

Now the Luhansk republic has all the official state symbols: a national flag (since November 2014), an emblem (since October 2014), an anthem and a constitution (since September 2014).

The Luhansk People’s Republic declared its sovereignty in April 2014 in response to Kiev’s attempts to suppress the opposition in south-eastern Ukraine. The Donetsk People’s Republic, also located on the territory of the coal-rich Donbas region, was proclaimed the same month.

After the May 2014 referendum, both regions signed an agreement on the creation of the Union of People’s Republics, Novorossiya.



Finally it's dawning for the West...

Le Monde: Kiev peace accord violation starts to trouble the West
http://tass.ru/en/world/787079



Poroshenko submits bill on martial law to Ukraine’s parliament
http://tass.ru/en/world/787162

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KIEV, April 3. /TASS/. Ukraine’s President Petro Poroshenko has submitted a draft law on legal procedures for introducing a martial law to the Verkhovna Rada, the parliament said on its website on Friday.

The document stipulates rules for introducing and lifting martial law in the country.

"A martial law is a special legal regimen that can be introduced in Ukraine or in parts of its territory in case of a military aggression or a threat of attack, a danger for Ukraine’s state independence and territorial integrity," the draft law says.



And a (in)sanity check...

Right Sector paramilitaries to be contracted by Ukraine’s army
http://tass.ru/en/world/787166

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KIEV, April 3. /TASS/. Paramilitaries of Ukraine’s ultra-nationalist Right Sector will be enrolled in Ukraine’s army as contract soldiers, Yuri Biryukov, an adviser to the Ukrainian president, wrote in his Facebook account on Friday.

"Right Sector soldiers will be contracted by the 79th air mobile brigade," he wrote.

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April 04, 2015, 03:27:55 AM
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Meanwhile in DNR, social services started paying out pensions after a 6-month long pause. Payments are now done in Russian roubles or Ukrainian hrivna, with people preferring roubles. Postmen deliver pensions even to those pensioners, who live in the regions that come under Ukro-bombardment.

This was much needed, and the Kiev-NATO propaganda machine is not going to be much happy about it. The DNR-LNR authorities should encourage refugees to return to their towns and villages.
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April 04, 2015, 01:52:56 PM
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There is no russian ... LoL let's see what a colonel is checking a Ukrainian Tank with his body guard ??  Grin

Hoo yes Russian propaganda ... but so far Russian forget to add that none country bypassed the russian  borders since months you cry about Ukrainian propaganda ... show US where they try to invade Russia ...

Of course Russia have the right to send weapons / army green men ...

... and THEY invaded country by force....



This picture is common ... but ... Wooow a russian colonel in Ukrainia ?? WTF is doing there ?? Russian are you sure ... ? naaaan of course this is propaganda like Russian like to explain ...



So what ? This guy take grades ... over a non visible war ? Yes Russian are not in Ukraina ...





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April 04, 2015, 05:12:37 PM
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DNR authorities have distributed some $30 million as pensions in March. Some of the locals are not happy, as the amounts were lower than what they had expected. But the majority are happy to have at least some money, which would cover the most basic needs.
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April 04, 2015, 10:35:23 PM
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DNR authorities have distributed some $30 million as pensions in March. Some of the locals are not happy, as the amounts were lower than what they had expected. But the majority are happy to have at least some money, which would cover the most basic needs.

It is worth mentioning that a large portions of these payouts is in Russian roubles, and as roubles don't come out of thin air, it is safe to assume that Russia, in addition to sending materials for rebuilding, is now also financing the region's daily life. Don't forget that Kiev still holds Donbass under full economical siege (thus signalling that they don't want to have anything to do with the region and, especially, people living there), people didn't get pensions or salary there for the last 6 months.

In other news, Russia gave Ukraine a discount on gas supplies. The price is set to $285.

Heads of DNR and LNR appealed to Merkel and Hollande so that they influence Kiev to observe Misnk-2 agreements.

Poroshenko made a couple of announcements:
1. The first wave of conscripts from this year will be sent to (die in) Donbass. [Mobilisation is called for "mogilisation" in Ukraine, from Russian "mogila" - "gave". The closes English pun is "corpsescription".]
2. Ukraine will undergo full "deoligachisation". Hmm... Will Poroshenko begin from himself.

And meanwhile, the heads of the Foreign Ministries of Normandy Four are discussing the possibility of sending peace keepers to Donbass.


Finally, some laughs:
President Poroshenko fails history test in speech to university students
http://newcoldwar.org/president-poroshenko-fails-history-test-in-speech-to-university-students/

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Speaking to the students at the Chernihiv National Pedagogical University in northern Ukraine, President Petro Poroshenko decided to show off his knowledge of history and once again attempted to demonstrate the superiority of the Ukrainian nation to other nations, Ukrainian media reported.

“I think there are only a few universities in Europe who can trace their history back to 1700. When in Chernigov [Chernihiv] there were century-old churches, in Moscow there was only a swamp,” the president announced from his podium, accompanied by the students’ applause.

But Ukrainian media reported,“By this statement, Poroshenko put himself in a rather embarrassing position, as Moscow was founded in 1147. In the second half of the XIII century, Moscow became the center of an independent principality, and at the beginning of the XIV century, the residence of the metropolitans [archbishops of the Russian Orthodox Church of a city or region] was moved to Moscow making the city a religious center. Therefore, it remains a mystery how the city, which was founded in 1147, and by the beginning of the XV century became a major trade and crafts center, was only a swamp.”

Journalists also pointed out that back then, Chernihiv was a part of the Russian state.

“All this proves once again that Poroshenko has problems not just with history, but with math as well,” a Ukrainian news agency reported.

 Grin Grin Grin

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April 04, 2015, 11:15:39 PM
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Will Poroshenko begin from himself.
Hypocrisy is OK for Eurokolhoz puppets. Smiley
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April 05, 2015, 04:40:56 AM
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In other news, Russia gave Ukraine a discount on gas supplies. The price is set to $285.

There is some confusion regarding this. According to Reuters, it is $248 per thousand cubic meters as opposed to $329 per thousand cubic meters which Ukraine was paying earlier.
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April 05, 2015, 01:48:37 PM
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In other news, Russia gave Ukraine a discount on gas supplies. The price is set to $285.

There is some confusion regarding this. According to Reuters, it is $248 per thousand cubic meters as opposed to $329 per thousand cubic meters which Ukraine was paying earlier.

I have confused numbers. Reuters is correct.



European values Ukrainian way:

Poroshenko Bans Russian Films, TV Series in Ukraine - Official
http://sputniknews.com/europe/20150402/1020355171.html

and

Ukraine Bans Russian War Films Over Propaganda Fears
http://www.themoscowtimes.com/business/article/ukraine-bans-russian-war-films-over-propaganda-fears/518553.html

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While the law banning films celebrating "occupiers" does not refer to any one country, the legislation's introductory text specifically targets Russia, which annexed Ukraine's Crimea region last year.

"Ukraine has suffered for years from the Russian Federation's crushing aggression in the information sphere," the text says.

"With time this has meant that a sizable part of Ukraine's citizens have stopped considering themselves as members of Ukrainian society and relate negatively to everything tied to Ukraine, her culture, and her society."

Talk about putting everything upside-down. Over the last 25 years Russia was almost completely absent from the information front in Ukraine, thus allowing the Soros-funded media to completely take over and unfurl a rabid anti-Russian propaganda, the results of which we see today.

And the "sizable part of Ukraine's citizens" are actually the Russian-speaking population of the East, who never in the first place considered themselves to be Ukrainian and didn't succumb to the artificial Ukrainisation. So, in fact they didn't start to consider themselves Ukrainian.

See (from http://stanislavs.org/two-ukraines/):

The proportion of users, who stated their mother tongue as Russian (blue) or as Ukrainian (red) in the popular social media VKontakte [“Russian Facebook”].

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April 05, 2015, 01:59:04 PM
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It´s a striking map. I guess that a major historical correction is inevitable sooner or later. It has in fact started in the Crimea and Donbass as we know. Good luck, g

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The proportion of users, who stated their mother tongue as Russian (blue) or as Ukrainian (red) in the popular social media VKontakte [“Russian Facebook”].

I hate to say this, but this method is not very accurate. Most of the pro-European, and therefore Ukrainian speaking people are likely to use Facebook instead of VKontakte and Odnoklassniki.
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April 05, 2015, 02:35:23 PM
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The proportion of users, who stated their mother tongue as Russian (blue) or as Ukrainian (red) in the popular social media VKontakte [“Russian Facebook”].

I hate to say this, but this method is not very accurate. Most of the pro-European, and therefore Ukrainian speaking people are likely to use Facebook instead of VKontakte and Odnoklassniki.
Most of the pro-European, and therefore Ukrainian speaking people are speaking Ukrainian only for the public. The most of them are using Russian for everyday communication.
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April 05, 2015, 02:58:22 PM
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The proportion of users, who stated their mother tongue as Russian (blue) or as Ukrainian (red) in the popular social media VKontakte [“Russian Facebook”].

I hate to say this, but this method is not very accurate. Most of the pro-European, and therefore Ukrainian speaking people are likely to use Facebook instead of VKontakte and Odnoklassniki.
Most of the pro-European, and therefore Ukrainian speaking people are speaking Ukrainian only for the public. The most of them are using Russian for everyday communication.

This!
Also, if you listen closely to the way officials and TV guests on Ukrainian TV speak in Ukrainian, you'll notice that very often their speech feels artificial, strained, as if they are translating from a different language before saying the sentences. Wink

It´s a striking map. I guess that a major historical correction is inevitable sooner or later. It has in fact started in the Crimea and Donbass as we know. Good luck, g

There are more maps at http://stanislavs.org/two-ukraines/ and they all point in the same direction.

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April 05, 2015, 04:02:02 PM
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Speaking russia ? You forget Tchethen ... now in Donbas ... Salam to u too ! LoL

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dy-kUsuddOs&feature=player_embedded

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April 05, 2015, 04:03:42 PM
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DNR authorities have distributed some $30 million as pensions in March. Some of the locals are not happy, as the amounts were lower than what they had expected. But the majority are happy to have at least some money, which would cover the most basic needs.

Really ? Since the start all Russian claims that pensions are more then 400% .... are you sure this is lower ?

DNR get money from where to pay ? Haa yes ... let me guess ...
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And meanwhile, the heads of the Foreign Ministries of Normandy Four are discussing the possibility of sending peace keepers to Donbass.


Let's send "Caque Bleu" ONU ... but hey ... why only Poutine do not want to let them go ? haa yes shit ... all will see how the war is brought by Russia ...

You forget to add in all this shit ... why OSCE since the start ... explained that for the so called "free vote" ... OSCE was forbidden to Crimea and DNR Huh? Free yes ... for russian ..with army men !

During this time Russian army is grouping near the border .... again ... show me where Europe or any NATO country is grouping army near the Russian border Huh Of course they are not !

Let's wait 1-2 years more with economic sanctions and Poutine will be kicked .......
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April 05, 2015, 04:10:33 PM
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The proportion of users, who stated their mother tongue as Russian (blue) or as Ukrainian (red) in the popular social media VKontakte [“Russian Facebook”].

I hate to say this, but this method is not very accurate. Most of the pro-European, and therefore Ukrainian speaking people are likely to use Facebook instead of VKontakte and Odnoklassniki.

This mean nothing, this is not because you speak Russian that YOU ARE RUSSIAN .... so all spainish people speaking spainish in USA ... they can claim to get invaded by Spain  Grin

What a joke ...
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April 05, 2015, 05:48:57 PM
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Really ? Since the start all Russian claims that pensions are more then 400% .... are you sure this is lower ?
DNR get money from where to pay ? Haa yes ... let me guess ...

In Crimea, the pensions increased by 400% after they re-joined Russia. Right now, Donbass is not a part of Russia. They are independent. So understandably, the pensions won't be paid out as per the Russian standards.

And regarding the money.... DNR is collecting local taxes from coal mines and other industries. They are distributing a part of this income as pensions.
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April 05, 2015, 11:04:32 PM
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Yes, Russia is *still* ready for war – even nuclear war

From The Saker

On March 1st of last year I wrote an article entitled “Obama just made things much, much worse in the Ukraine – now Russia is ready for war” in which I wrote the following: “I hope and pray that Obama, and his advisers, stop and think carefully about their next step, because make no mistake about that RUSSIA IS READY FOR WAR.”  Using bolded red caps was my hope to get everybody’s attention, including the various US analysts reading my blog and thinking that maybe I knew a little something about Russia.  This was the first time in my (now ex-) career as a military analyst that I delivered such a warning, and it is a sweet irony for me that it was made publicly and not behind all sorts of secrecy walls. ....

http://thesaker.is/yes-russia-is-still-ready-for-war-even-nuclear-war/

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