Coronavirus Outbreak

[Tash]

They locked down Wuhan real hard in January.  Do you think that made things better or worse for China?

It simply makes no differance. There is shitload of busses and trains going from Wuhan to Beijing and Shanghai.
Two weeks or more apperantly someone can have it without showing signs, imaging how many traveld long before any lockdown.

They locked it down in Jan.  Nobody could leave with very few exceptions.  The lock down was lifted a couple weeks ago.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_Hubei_lockdowns#Lockdown_timeline

It does not matter when they locked down. For 2 weeks (sick) people traveled all over China including other bigger cities like Beijing, Shanghai, Chongqing, Tianjin, Guangzhou, Shenzhen, Chengdu, Nanjing.......
Why is Wuhan much more affected as others. Extremely bad air quality and high 5G rollout.

[Tash]

I noticed Trump in one of his later press relesses promotes the use of MMS, who would have though.

[TECSHARE]

Yeah.  Were on the same page.

The coronahoaxers aren't really interested in what the UN has to say (conspiracy > science) so I don't think there's any possibility of a "oh...the UN scientists were right" moment.  All they (science community in general) can do is try and convince anyone who will listen how to not make things worse - which is what I feel like they have been doing.  Anything they say will somehow be twisted via tabloid => youtube => TECSHARE => bitcointalk.  I was just trying to point out how it was being twisted instead of how obviously wrong they are to begin with.

The coronavirus doesn't have to be a hoax for what I presented to be true. Tell me, what about my actual post is factually incorrect? Not your interpretation of some UN article, the events over the last year. Food shortages are already happening, instead of addressing the real issue you have no argument against, you rely on strawmans, attacks on the source, and appeals to authority. This is all because of self-righteous cunts like to get paid for doing nothing but consuming while like the sociopaths you are pretend you are really doing it because it "keeps people safe", and anyone who objects to your entitlement is "putting peoples lives at risk". You know what puts peoples lives at risk? The economy being cratered and the food supply chain collapsing. Not in Africa, here. Pull your heads out of your asses fuck sticks.

[franky1]

I noticed Trump in one of his later press relesses promotes the use of MMS, who would have though.

well an idiot would have thought that its a promotion

treat it as an example of trump showing he has no clue and is just repeating crap he heard from fox new types of people
true medical science is telling people not to do it because bleach kills

trump really did show his stupidity when he suggested that.

[franky1]

The coronavirus doesn't have to be a hoax for what I presented to be true. Tell me, what about my actual post is factually incorrect? Not your interpretation of some UN article, the events over the last year. Food shortages are already happening, instead of addressing the real issue you have no argument against, you rely on strawmans, attacks on the source, and appeals to authority. This is all because of self-righteous cunts like to get paid for doing nothing but consuming while like the sociopaths you are pretend you are really doing it because it "keeps people safe", and anyone who objects to your entitlement is "putting peoples lives at risk". You know what puts peoples lives at risk? The economy being cratered and the food supply chain collapsing. Not in Africa, here. Pull your heads out of your asses fuck sticks.

US farmers still farm.
however if they need an extra hand. they cant employ mexicans as usual..
but here is the thing.
there are now alot of americans looking for a job

farms have not been shut down. if americans want a job, or an excuse to get out the house away from their wives.. they can sign up to be a farm hand.

america doesnt even pale in comparison to the issues in africa.. and trying to use the issues in africa as an excuse for americans to dry hump each other in city centers while holding guns.. is ridiculous
get out the city centers and go to farms. protest your rights to want to work by actually doing some work. protest your right to use your brain by actually being smart and socially distancing while earning a wage farming.

but dont just stand in a city center crying that you cant have a haircut and how an african disaster is the reason why you should be able to get a haircut.

[BADecker]

I noticed Trump in one of his later press relesses promotes the use of MMS, who would have though.

The FDA is trying to shut down the MMS church. It's a religion that includes Christianity and MMS, and a few other things, as well - https://g2churchnews.org/.

Why are they doing this? Because MMS and several other things work for CV and all kinds of other things.

You almost don't need a medical system if you can get cured of all kinds of things this easily. They would have to go out and find a job.

Btw, Dupont makes and widely sells chlorine dioxide, the main constituant, and active ingredient of MMS.

[Tash]

I noticed Trump in one of his later press relesses promotes the use of MMS, who would have though.

The FDA is trying to shut down the MMS church. It's a religion that includes Christianity and MMS, and a few other things, as well - https://g2churchnews.org/.

Why are they doing this? Because MMS and several other things work for CV and all kinds of other things.

You almost don't need a medical system if you can get cured of all kinds of things this easily. They would have to go out and find a job.

Btw, Dupont makes and widely sells chlorine dioxide, the main constituant, and active ingredient of MMS.

It isnt just mms.
He also mentiont to use light.
Ultraviolet light is a proven germ killer it is used readly in banks for note disinfection or doctor surgeries, 400-10 nm is the Germicidal Wavelength.  
X-rays ranging from 10 to 0.1 nanometers.
Could a simple chest x-ray kill of the viruses??

https://www.vir.com.vn/on-mission-to-eradicate-covid-19-germs-china-firms-see-the-uv-light-74711.html
 

[TwitchySeal]

I noticed Trump in one of his later press relesses promotes the use of MMS, who would have though.

The FDA is trying to shut down the MMS church. It's a religion that includes Christianity and MMS, and a few other things, as well - https://g2churchnews.org/.

Why are they doing this?

Because they're trying to convince people to drink bleach.

[Gyfts]

Currently on Twitter, Lysol, disinfectant, Clorox, and "DontDrinkBleach" are all trending in the United States.

Here is the clip from yesterday's news conference - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QtgVxGkrX1Y


I don't understand liberals/the media twisting this so badly. Trump is notorious for saying stupid shit and mouthing off on people's comments. It's the way he talks and he put his foot in his mouth trying to talk about the field of epidemiology to which he has no knowledge of. Do people sincerely believe Trump was advocating for people to drink disinfectant or advocating for research of the effects in consuming anti-viral agents?  
I imagine this is another baseless attack on Trump but another part of me thinks people actually think Trump was advocating for the consumption of fucking bleach.

[franky1]

I don't understand liberals/the media twisting this so badly. Trump is notorious for saying stupid shit and mouthing off on people's comments.

not twisting it badly. but knowing other idiots.. such as badecker type of people believe what trump says and then promotes it as a cure.

so many people dont just dismiss and brush it off.. but have to highlight how idiotic it is to even suggest it. just in the hopes no one believes the suggestion and actually tries it and dies from it

..
did you know there are idiotic trolls that make 'suicide websites' and coax people to visit them and taunt them into killing themselves

[TwitchySeal]

Currently on Twitter, Lysol, disinfectant, Clorox, and "DontDrinkBleach" are all trending in the United States.

Here is the clip from yesterday's news conference - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QtgVxGkrX1Y


I don't understand liberals/the media twisting this so badly. Trump is notorious for saying stupid shit and mouthing off on people's comments. It's the way he talks and he put his foot in his mouth trying to talk about the field of epidemiology to which he has no knowledge of. Do people sincerely believe Trump was advocating for people to drink disinfectant or advocating for research of the effects in consuming anti-viral agents?  
I imagine this is another baseless attack on Trump but another part of me thinks people actually think Trump was advocating for the consumption of fucking bleach.

It's incredible that your take away from all this is to defend the President and criticize the press.  

He thinks he's qualified by his "natural instinct for science".  Same goes with building airplanes, military weapons, environmental science, etc.  He thinks his instincts makes him an expert, and plenty of people believe him.

I don't understand how 'he says stupid shit and mouths off on peoples comments' is a defense for mouthing off and saying stupid shit when he's the president of the united states giving a press conference in the middle of National Crisis.  

Even if you think it should be acceptable for a president to behave that way,  the "drinking bleach is a miracle cure the deep state doesn't want you to know about" is not a new conspiracy theory and it overlaps with the "Trump is our savior and the only one that can save us from the satan worshipping pedophile Deep State" (scroll up to BADeckers last post if you don't believe me).  So yeah, I think he definitely increased bleach consumption in America with his comments.

[tvbcof]

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I was reading about MMS and stumbled upon this article in Popular Mechanics. It offers some insight into why certain people are prone to believe in conspiracy theories and/or religion, and delves into the overlap between them. The article is about a cruise for conspiracy theorists, and has a few great quotes:

Everybody in the dining room except Dina and I twirled their napkins in the air while singing along. Olé, o-lé, olé, o-lé. It was kind of silly, but I think the point was to make people feel they were a part of something bigger...

The conspiracy community does the same thing. Its emotional power is much stronger than facts. It offers a worldview in which chaos, randomness, happenstance—the messy, frightening qualities of life that science depends upon and our minds find so hard to accept—simply do not exist. For some, a sinister reason for life's disappointments is more satisfying than no reason at all...

That's probably one of the stupidest things I've ever heard.

Firstly, being a so-called 'conspiracy theorist' certainly has not made me feel like 'being part of something bigger'.  Exactly the opposite.  Usually I am the only person who thinks like I do, and when that is not the case I generally don't like the other few 'conspiracy theorists' all that much anyway.

Secondly, it is the opposite of 'comforting' to know that the government is capable of doing 9/11, creating and releasing customized coronavirus 'on it's own people', etc, etc.  In some ways I wish I could enjoy all the warm fuzzies that normies get from the mainstream TV, the politicians they like, and what-not.  It would be like being a kid in a loving family with no worries again with mommy and daddy hovering above to take care of me.  I'm just not wired or trained in such a way that I can hide in a safe-space shell.  I go where facts and logic lead me, and I don't think I could change even if I wanted to.

[TwitchySeal]

Here is the clip from yesterday's news conference - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QtgVxGkrX1Y

He's now claiming that his disinfectant comment was just a sarcastic response to a reporters question...

[Gyfts]

It's incredible that your take away from all this is to defend the President and criticize the press.  

He thinks he's qualified by his "natural instinct for science".  Same goes with building airplanes, military weapons, environmental science, etc.  He thinks his instincts makes him an expert, and plenty of people believe him.

I don't understand how 'he says stupid shit and mouths off on peoples comments' is a defense for mouthing off and saying stupid shit when he's the president of the united states giving a press conference in the middle of National Crisis.  

Even if you think it should be acceptable for a president to behave that way,  the "drinking bleach is a miracle cure the deep state doesn't want you to know about" is not a new conspiracy theory and it overlaps with the "Trump is our savior and the only one that can save us from the satan worshipping pedophile Deep State" (scroll up to BADeckers last post if you don't believe me).  So yeah, I think he definitely increased bleach consumption in America with his comments.

Trump can be ridiculously misinformed and the media can be wrong about it. Both of these things can be true at once. I'm not attempting to make excuses for Trump when he said something stupid which is why I am openly admitting he said something ridiculously foolish. Some of Trump's staunch supporters are trying to defend him for it but in reality there is no defense to what he said. He put his foot in this mouth very badly and he has no scientific expertise to speak on. That being said, no, I don't believe it's okay or appropriate that Trump said something this stupid on national television during a national crisis. My point is that it's not something particularly new for Trump. And to be clear, it's not what I would expect out of the President of the United States.

I am all for criticizing Trump on substantive policies, believe it or not. We can have conversation about what aspects of Trump's coronavirus response worked, what didn't work, ect. However, when people are arguing that Trump is insinuating that people drink bleach to cure coronavirus, you can't have any reasonable conversation about policy at that point. It becomes hyperbolic partisanship. And the media pushing this idea that he is actively suggesting people should take a shot of Clorox to fight coronavirus is untrue. Keep in mind, the media did the same thing when a couple drank fish tank cleaner to "cure" coronavirus.

Here is the clip from yesterday's news conference - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QtgVxGkrX1Y

He's now claiming that his disinfectant comment was just a sarcastic response to a reporters question...

I mean, surely you didn't think he would handle his fuck up with grace right? Look, I agree with you. What he's doing is not a good look. But see above on why I think it's important to make accurate attacks on Trump and not ones based on hyperbole.

[TECSHARE]

"The data is in — stop the panic and end the total isolation"

https://thehill.com/opinion/healthcare/494034-the-data-are-in-stop-the-panic-and-end-the-total-isolation

[franky1]

"The data is in — stop the panic and end the total isolation"

https://thehill.com/opinion/healthcare/494034-the-data-are-in-stop-the-panic-and-end-the-total-isolation

OMG (facepalm)
that articles first 'fact' is a lie
its based on what i now call del bigtree bad math. and not a single fact

here goes
californai done a study of 3300 random people in a californian county.
out of 3300. only 50 people had the anitbodies

that is like 5million on 330m population if you do the most basic maths of adding zeros
even a 5year old can work that out
this makes it not even 10% of people heck its not even 2% spread

guess what..
stupid people who cant do maths want people to think out of the 800k positive there is 16m-40mill infected and asymptomatic
no no no no no
ill say it again. the study suggests if there are 330m american population there are probably 5m that it spread to
which is similar numbers to the 80% asymptomatic/mild. number that has been know for months.

yep the 800k that are positive for corona in america are just those who are severe enough to need hospital
so it sounds about right

but trying to suggest the asymptomatic is more like 16m-40m is so bad at any concept of maths that it really does need to be called out as BS
but anyway. even a 16m is only a 5% spread and 40m is only a 13% spread. which means when hospitals were getting to capacity with numbers of such a low spread as FACTUALY 1.5% or even mythically 5%-13% means that its not really good to just go back to business as usual over night.

..
will you people stop reading stupid websites and actually try to dare yourself to find the source study and look at the actual numbers. and stop just blindly believing stupid articles that cant even get the numbers right

1.5% spread so far.
out of ~5m people 50k deaths thats 1%.. and thats before including those still in hospital right now for next few weeks

[Viper1]

"The data is in — stop the panic and end the total isolation"

https://thehill.com/opinion/healthcare/494034-the-data-are-in-stop-the-panic-and-end-the-total-isolation

I read their first "Fact" and stopped right there as it's complete bullshit. The "best" state is new york. They have tested only 3.6% of their population, the most of any of the states I looked into yesterday . Most are at a pitiful 1% or so and a couple others are up to 2% . That article talks about percentages of deaths being really low and they do that by looking at the percentage of the total population. But that's bullshit when you've only tested 3.6% of the population. Here's a stat for you. Of the states that have tested a higher quantity of their population, the mortality rate is getting up to 6% of those that are positive for having covid19. Want to believe that article? Go right ahead. Or you could go check the data for yourself and do your own calculations.

https://covidtracking.com/data

New York
Pop: 19,453,561
Tested: 695,920
Negative: 432,460
Positive: 263,460
Deaths: 15,740

[Tash]

In 1999, the American Society for Analytical Chemistry certified that chlorine dioxide to be the most effective bacterial killer in human history.
MMS is a 28% solution of sodium chlorite (NaClO2) in water and if acid (Lemon, Wine, Salt..) is added you end up with chlorine dioxide (ClO2).
The claim is MMS kills all anaerobic microbes and parasites, a true germ killer.
Apparently a fair few people have swallowed MMS over the years. As the old saying goes  "The dose makes the poison!"

Update on Healthcare systems.

[TwitchySeal]

The coronavirus doesn't have to be a hoax for what I presented to be true. Tell me, what about my actual post is factually incorrect?

When you drop those conspiracy/pseudo science blogs in a thread about a global pandemic....you're spreading misinformation at the worst time.

[franky1]

As the old saying goes  "The dose makes the poison!"

MMS is a 28% solution of sodium chlorite (NaClO2) in water

pool water is 1000 parts per million.. (0.1%)
drinking water is 500 parts per million..(0.05%)
but tash advertises people should use 28% and then activate it with citric acid making it 50% poison

utter idiot

but the other stupid thing is for someone wanting people to kill themselves with poison. or risk 20% chance of lung injury by getting covid or 2% death from covid.. he is on a bitcoin forum, but seems to be wanting to protect FIAT even if it kills people