Do you trust the co-vid19 vaccine ?

[devil2man]

the vaccines work and protect against the virus but in my opinion they have not been tested enough you cannot compress a test of years in a few months so the adverse reactions have not been studied enough, especially those in the long term, i will not vaccinate, i hope they do not introduce the mandatory vaccine

[BADecker]

VAERS is the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System set up by the CDC. This system is for doctors to report adverse effects that patients have regarding anything that patients are treated with. As of March 5th, VAERS reports for the Covid vaccine are these:
Deaths = 1524
Hospitalizations = 3477
Urgent care = 5806
Office visits = 4748
Anaphylaxis = 292
Bell's palsy = 367

Two things to note about this:
A. There were many more reports - over 30,000 -  where people claimed a problem from the vaccine, but their doctor bypassed it as something not associated with the vaccine;
B. Doctors and professional medical people claim that only about 10% of the problems are being reported to VAERS.


CDC pretending that nobody is getting injured or dying from COVID-19 vaccines

The official death count from Wuhan coronavirus (COVID-19) injections has nearly doubled since early March, and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) does not appear to be at all concerned.

The agency failed to respond to an inquiry from The Defender about how it investigates reported deaths, whether or not autopsies are being conducted, and what standards are used to determine whether or not vaccination is causally associated with a reported injury or death.

The only thing the CDC has provided thus far is silence, which is unacceptable in light of the fact that there are now more than 38,444 reports of adverse effects from Chinese virus jabs in the CDC’s Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS).

As this writer noted back in a story from early March, there were 1,170 reported deaths associated with Wuhan flu shots at that time. Today, that number has soared to 1,739 deaths along with 6,286 reports of serious injuries, which are worse than those generally classified as adverse events.

At this point in time, we do not even know whether healthcare providers are reporting all injuries and deaths following vaccination for the Wuhan coronavirus (COVID-19) because the standards used are unknown. The CDC would seem to not want anyone to know these details.

“As of today, 11 days later, the CDC has not answered our questions,” writes Megan Redshaw for The Defender. “Instead, when we call them, they respond saying, ‘they have received our email, they will escalate it and it is in the system.'”

“When we asked if we could speak with the person reviewing the email, we were told that information could not be provided,” Redshaw adds. “When we emailed them to follow up, we received no response.”

J&J’s coronavirus jab causing anaphylactic shock in recipients

The latest VAERS data obtained by Redshaw shows that in a single week, 478 cases of vaccine-related Bell’s Palsy were reported. Of these, 66 percent occurred after vaccination with the Pfizer-BioNTech injection, while the remaining 36 percent, roughly, resulted from the Moderna injection.

[tabas]

the vaccines work and protect against the virus but in my opinion they have not been tested enough you cannot compress a test of years in a few months so the adverse reactions have not been studied enough, especially those in the long term, i will not vaccinate, i hope they do not introduce the mandatory vaccine

Per vaccine, they have their own efficacy level. In EU, AstraZeneca vaccination has been stopped because of a safety issue. But I don't know if it's okay again and safe to use.
The testing was done quickly and expedite for most of the vaccines. There's not enough time for them to test for years and that's why most of the vaccination today are likely still in trial.

[suzanne5223]

the vaccines work and protect against the virus but in my opinion they have not been tested enough you cannot compress a test of years in a few months so the adverse reactions have not been studied enough, especially those in the long term, i will not vaccinate, i hope they do not introduce the mandatory vaccine

Per vaccine, they have their own efficacy level. In EU, AstraZeneca vaccination has been stopped because of a safety issue. But I don't know if it's okay again and safe to use.
The testing was done quickly and expedite for most of the vaccines. There's not enough time for them to test for years and that's why most of the vaccination today are likely still in trial.

According to what I read on the World Health Organization site the AstraZeneca was temporarily suspended in some part of the EU countries, not all and if AstraZeneca show some side effect then the Johnson & Johnson’s vaccine could also do the same since it also relies on adenovirus. Does anyone if the Pfizer-BioNTech and Moderna vaccines which were authorized by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration, if have side effects?

[tvbcof]

According to what I read on the World Health Organization site the AstraZeneca was temporarily suspended in some part of the EU countries, not all and if AstraZeneca show some side effect then the Johnson & Johnson’s vaccine could also do the same since it also relies on adenovirus. Does anyone if the Pfizer-BioNTech and Moderna vaccines which were authorized by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration, if have side effects?

That's probably not a particularly valid way to assess risk associations.  Adenovirus is a common way to 'vector' new designer DNA into a cell nucleus in order to re-program the infected cells.  More important would be what the designer DNA payload happens to be rather than the strain of innoculous transfer virus.

Just as an item of interest...

One of the big problems they have with adenovirus vectors is that the normal human immune system resists a 2nd infection of the same adenovirus because that's how it works.  This means that boosters are a problem.  It also means that a 2nd totally different vaccine using the same adenovirus carrier won't work well.  Compounding this, someone may just have a stronger or weaker than average immune system which modulates the amount of designer genetic payload which infects the normal cells of the body.

The Russian 'Sputnik' vaccine is an adenovirus vectored designer DNA 'platform' as well.  Their 'secret sauce' to try to overcome the aforementioned 2nd infection problem was to use a different adenovirus variety for the booster.

The use of natural viruses to vector DNA doesn't have to use adenovirus.  One of Merck's efforts (via purchase of a smaller company) was attempting to use measles virus for this duty.  Merck exited the race with the statement that the safest way to get immunity for SARS-cov-2 was just to get covid-19 since the vaccine is so risky and the virulence of 'covid-19' is on par with the seasonal flu.  I couldn't agree more and have been saying it for a year now.

The 'way forward' for ongoing re-programming of the cellular machinery of 'the hive' lies with more advanced 'vector' techniques which don't use natural viruses.  Inovio is trying to use a lab technique using high voltage electrical currents, but that fell off the radar screen fairly early on...for this first scamdemic wave.  Likely it will be back, or they'll move on to 'implantable platforms' right away.

[tabas]

the vaccines work and protect against the virus but in my opinion they have not been tested enough you cannot compress a test of years in a few months so the adverse reactions have not been studied enough, especially those in the long term, i will not vaccinate, i hope they do not introduce the mandatory vaccine

Per vaccine, they have their own efficacy level. In EU, AstraZeneca vaccination has been stopped because of a safety issue. But I don't know if it's okay again and safe to use.
The testing was done quickly and expedite for most of the vaccines. There's not enough time for them to test for years and that's why most of the vaccination today are likely still in trial.

According to what I read on the World Health Organization site the AstraZeneca was temporarily suspended in some part of the EU countries, not all and if AstraZeneca show some side effect then the Johnson & Johnson’s vaccine could also do the same since it also relies on adenovirus. Does anyone if the Pfizer-BioNTech and Moderna vaccines which were authorized by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration, if have side effects?

AFAIK the Pfizer and BioNtech has some side effects.
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/different-vaccines/Pfizer-BioNTech.html

[suzanne5223]

the vaccines work and protect against the virus but in my opinion they have not been tested enough you cannot compress a test of years in a few months so the adverse reactions have not been studied enough, especially those in the long term, i will not vaccinate, i hope they do not introduce the mandatory vaccine

Per vaccine, they have their own efficacy level. In EU, AstraZeneca vaccination has been stopped because of a safety issue. But I don't know if it's okay again and safe to use.
The testing was done quickly and expedite for most of the vaccines. There's not enough time for them to test for years and that's why most of the vaccination today are likely still in trial.

According to what I read on the World Health Organization site the AstraZeneca was temporarily suspended in some part of the EU countries, not all and if AstraZeneca show some side effect then the Johnson & Johnson’s vaccine could also do the same since it also relies on adenovirus. Does anyone if the Pfizer-BioNTech and Moderna vaccines which were authorized by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration, if have side effects?

AFAIK the Pfizer and BioNtech has some side effects.
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/different-vaccines/Pfizer-BioNTech.html

If that's the issues I wonder why nothing happens to the US president and other people we saw on TV took the vaccine or there's something more to the vaccine they took and the one give out to the masses cause the government can be weird sometimes which is the reason why I don't totally trust them.

[tabas]

AFAIK the Pfizer and BioNtech has some side effects.
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/different-vaccines/Pfizer-BioNTech.html

If that's the issues I wonder why nothing happens to the US president and other people we saw on TV took the vaccine or there's something more to the vaccine they took and the one give out to the masses cause the government can be weird sometimes which is the reason why I don't totally trust them.

Note that the efficiency of the vaccines not all of them are 100% but at least they can be effective in most of the people. But there's those cases that it's not effective in some.
I've even heard in the news that even after taking the vaccine, they were still able to get covid19 despite being vaccinated.

[franky1]

U.S. GOVT LOSES LANDMARK VACCINE LAWSUIT
https://cairnsnews.org/2018/11/19/u-s-govt-loses-landmark-vaccine-lawsuit/

try to read the actual lawsuit
ICAN asked HHS for any and all transmitted records it sent to (wait for it.. then facepalm)
the energy and commerce committee. and the labour and human resources committee

thats like asking a hospital to provide proof of any transmission of health records to .. a bicycle shop

of course there wont be records of that manner going to a department that doesnt even handle those types of records..
in short. lack of records of an absurd request. just proves its an absurd request

and yes. the case was dismissed as ICAN accepted the HHS response

not a land mark case at all
its a we didnt send any records because we dont send them records to a non-needed party

logic proves that bigtree didnt learn anything from that case.a nd logic shows the case was dismissed
https://olis.leg.state.or.us/liz/2019R1/Downloads/CommitteeMeetingDocument/168629


if they actually wanted to find out stuff. they would have asked for HHS records of report transmission to the health and oversight commitees

ican filed a claim about a non answer question he knew was going to be a non-answer answer. and is now playing it off as some big deal. and also saying his case dismissal is a win..
(triple facepalm)

[DoctorMark]

AFAIK the Pfizer and BioNtech has some side effects.
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/different-vaccines/Pfizer-BioNTech.html

If that's the issues I wonder why nothing happens to the US president and other people we saw on TV took the vaccine or there's something more to the vaccine they took and the one give out to the masses cause the government can be weird sometimes which is the reason why I don't totally trust them.

Note that the efficiency of the vaccines not all of them are 100% but at least they can be effective in most of the people. But there's those cases that it's not effective in some.
I've even heard in the news that even after taking the vaccine, they were still able to get covid19 despite being vaccinated.

they dont have complete protection from getting the virus but even in the cases that a vaccinated individual gets the virus they're likely to be extremely better off.

[Natsuu]

AFAIK the Pfizer and BioNtech has some side effects.
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/different-vaccines/Pfizer-BioNTech.html

If that's the issues I wonder why nothing happens to the US president and other people we saw on TV took the vaccine or there's something more to the vaccine they took and the one give out to the masses cause the government can be weird sometimes which is the reason why I don't totally trust them.

Note that the efficiency of the vaccines not all of them are 100% but at least they can be effective in most of the people. But there's those cases that it's not effective in some.
I've even heard in the news that even after taking the vaccine, they were still able to get covid19 despite being vaccinated.

Well that is effectivity for you, cause there are many other factors to be considered that is not yet researched because of the limited amount of time. Nonetheless, as Tabas said, Even if you caught Covid after having the vaccine, the effects can't be worse, and it is like a regulard cold even though it is covid. And pretty much you won't even feel sick or tired or even loss your taste.

[BADecker]

U.S. GOVT LOSES LANDMARK VACCINE LAWSUIT
https://cairnsnews.org/2018/11/19/u-s-govt-loses-landmark-vaccine-lawsuit/

try to read the actual lawsuit
ICAN asked HHS for any and all transmitted records it sent to (wait for it.. then facepalm)
the energy and commerce committee. and the labour and human resources committee

thats like asking a hospital to provide proof of any transmission of health records to .. a bicycle shop

of course there wont be records of that manner going to a department that doesnt even handle those types of records..
in short. lack of records of an absurd request. just proves its an absurd request

and yes. the case was dismissed as ICAN accepted the HHS response

not a land mark case at all
its a we didnt send any records because we dont send them records to a non-needed party

logic proves that bigtree didnt learn anything from that case.a nd logic shows the case was dismissed
https://olis.leg.state.or.us/liz/2019R1/Downloads/CommitteeMeetingDocument/168629


if they actually wanted to find out stuff. they would have asked for HHS records of report transmission to the health and oversight commitees

ican filed a claim about a non answer question he knew was going to be a non-answer answer. and is now playing it off as some big deal. and also saying his case dismissal is a win..
(triple facepalm)

The point isn't what records were transferred here or there. The point is what testing was done. Since the testing is required by law, but nobody is willing to give proof or evidence that the testing was done, what does one have to do to find the proof that the testing was done?

The fact that ICAN accepted the response that was given - essentially nothing applicable to the case at hand - is the same as ICAN accepting proof that there IS nothing applicable to the case at hand.

If the medical didn't like the wording used in the FOIA request and the resulting lawsuit, any minute they could provide the safety test records for the last 32 years, and include wording in their providing that said that they were providing the info voluntarily, but not because ICAN did a FOIA request and lawsuit.

But the whole point is, where are the safety testing records? The medical still isn't giving them to us to look at.

In other words...

Suppose that the medical did safety testing and found that vaccines were indeed safe. Wouldn't the medical be out there giving the info to anybody who wanted it? People would be overjoyed to see the proof of the tests, especially if they could contact the testers and the test subjects and get the lowdown right from the source.

The point is, the safety test records would be available. But the medical doesn't show any safety test records to anybody. It doesn't have anything to do with the wording in the lawsuit. The medical doesn't ever show any of the testing required by law.

OR...

Suppose that the medical did the safety testing for the last 32 years, and somehow misplaced the test records. How in the world does anybody, especially the medical, misplace the whole safety test record batch for 32 years? Many people all over the nation and the world keep their tax records for the last 32 years. But the medical doesn't even have one safety test record to show to anybody?

Oh sure. The wording of the lawsuit might not have really been a direct request for the safety test records required by law... but it might have been. Certainly the spirit of the suit was. Over 32 years of safety tests don't just vanish 100% if they are there.

So, why would ICAN accept the results of the lawsuit? Because the results showed that the medical is negligent. It is either negligent in doing the safety tests, or it is negligent in keeping the records, and it is certainly negligent in showing the records in a lawsuit request.

What does this kind of negligence mean... especially when the whole country and world are involved? It means that the medical is incompetent if there are records that they can't find or won't divulge. It means they are criminal if they disobeyed the legal requirements, and didn't do the safety tests. The lawsuit results were accepted because by ICAN because the meaning is the medical is probably criminal, but at least is incompetent, and therefore should be treated criminally.

All that franky1 wants to do is play with some wording, and draw completely erroneous conclusions from the whole process.

So, where's the safety test records? Because that's what this is all about. The medical, by its actions, has said that they don't exist. Or can franky1 provide them in a satisfatory manner wherein we can confirm that they were properly done? ICAN would love to see them.

[Tash]

Do you trust the co-vid19 vaccine ?

I trust science.
I am aready vaccined I took the science vaccine (its the savest most effective option)
They can keep experimental bat shit (pfizer, modera, russian version, astra.......) crazy for themself

[tabas]

Well that is effectivity for you, cause there are many other factors to be considered that is not yet researched because of the limited amount of time. Nonetheless, as Tabas said, Even if you caught Covid after having the vaccine, the effects can't be worse, and it is like a regulard cold even though it is covid. And pretty much you won't even feel sick or tired or even loss your taste.

Yes, at least you'll have a better feeling than not getting the vaccine.

they dont have complete protection from getting the virus but even in the cases that a vaccinated individual gets the virus they're likely to be extremely better off.

You'll have the protection because you took the vaccine and it will minimize the effect that it usually give to the infected people.

[BADecker]

Do you trust the co-vid19 vaccine ?

I trust science.
I am aready vaccined I took the science vaccine (its the savest most effective option)
They can keep experimental bat shit (pfizer, modera, russian version, astra.......) crazy for themself

Good, simple point. Vaccinated means good vaccinations... not some injection test project where nobody has a real idea of all the things that can go wrong.

However, we are still looking for the test records for the last 32 years.

[franky1]

Do you trust the co-vid19 vaccine ?

I trust science.
I am aready vaccined I took the science vaccine (its the savest most effective option)
They can keep experimental bat shit (pfizer, modera, russian version, astra.......) crazy for themself

Good, simple point. Vaccinated means good vaccinations... not some injection test project where nobody has a real idea of all the things that can go wrong.

However, we are still looking for the test records for the last 32 years.

dell bigtree asked for records for intercommunication of 2 departments .. that have nothing to do with each other in regards to vaccines... i think he done this purposefully to get no answer.
if he asked for data between HHS and the proper committees that deal with vaccines and treatments. they would find the 32years of records

[BADecker]

Do you trust the co-vid19 vaccine ?

I trust science.
I am aready vaccined I took the science vaccine (its the savest most effective option)
They can keep experimental bat shit (pfizer, modera, russian version, astra.......) crazy for themself

Good, simple point. Vaccinated means good vaccinations... not some injection test project where nobody has a real idea of all the things that can go wrong.

However, we are still looking for the test records for the last 32 years.

dell bigtree asked for records for intercommunication of 2 departments .. that have nothing to do with each other in regards to vaccines... i think he done this purposefully to get no answer.
if he asked for data between HHS and the proper committees that deal with vaccines and treatments. they would find the 32years of records

We don't give no info to nobody 'cept they ask at the second joint of the 37th leg on the left side of the centipede under the desk in the closet of the janitor.


Please do us all a favor franky1. If Del Bigtree, or I, or any number of people all over the country had the safety test records, and if those tests showed that safety was high, we'd be out there getting shots all over the place, and retracting any negative stance we had against them all along. So, could you do a great big favor, since you seem to know the proper people to ask, please get certified, verified copies of those safety test records for us. Also, please show the paper trail you used to get them, so we know exactly where to go for more info.

Of course, I can't speak for certain about Del Bigtree, but I'm willing to bet that he is anxious enough to get them, that if certification, verification of those test records was proven to him, he would willingly even pay you for doing the legwork for him. One of the major reasons why he is taking the stance against vaccines as he is, is that he can't find the safety test records.

Besides payment you might get from Del, you would be able to show with certainty that you absolutely know what you are talking about. In fact, people would hold you up as a hero for making them all feel better about vaccines. So, please help the world out here, thereby increasing your esteem in the eyes of people worldwide.

Thanks in advance for the monumental sacrifice you will be making for the whole world by doing this little thing.

[Antonio_d1ego]

I'd rather quarntine and wear a mask than be a guinea pig on a new vaccine.

Isn't it allowed to smoke after vaccination?

[BADecker]

I'd rather quarntine and wear a mask than be a guinea pig on a new vaccine.

Isn't it allowed to smoke after vaccination?

Does a mask smoke if you light it on fire?     

[mindrust]

I'd rather quarntine and wear a mask than be a guinea pig on a new vaccine.

Isn't it allowed to smoke after vaccination?

Does a mask smoke if you light it on fire?     

I heard smoking protects you against covid-19. Especially if you are a long-time hard-smoker. It is because you already fucked your lungs up, the virus cannot cling to your lung cells. In other means, you are already pretty dead the virus shows you mercy.