Showdown: Trump Vs Haley. Bitcoin betting on the 2024 US Presidential Election

[Sithara007]

If Biden behaved adequately, then no one would talk about age even if he was 90 years old. But he often looks into the void, goes in an incomprehensible direction and behaves like an old man who is lost. At the same time, Trump is behaving very cheerfully. This difference has been noticeable to everyone in recent years, so part of the voters will not vote For someone, but rather Against the fact that a person with dementia is the president.
In general, it would be good (for American voters) if they had a wider choice, including younger candidates.

With ever passing day, Biden is resembling more and more like a walking corpse. There are conspiracy theories that claim that the original plan from the Democrats was to replace him mid-way through his term with Kamala Harris. But that would be another disaster, given her radical left-wing agenda. For 2024, IMO it would be again Biden vs Trump. Kamala is still unpalatable for the vast majority of the independent voters. And by then Biden will be 81 years old and Trump would be 78 years old. I sincerely hope that the GOP would rather nominate Ron DeSantis.

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[KTChampions]

If Biden behaved adequately, then no one would talk about age even if he was 90 years old. But he often looks into the void, goes in an incomprehensible direction and behaves like an old man who is lost. At the same time, Trump is behaving very cheerfully. This difference has been noticeable to everyone in recent years, so part of the voters will not vote For someone, but rather Against the fact that a person with dementia is the president.
In general, it would be good (for American voters) if they had a wider choice, including younger candidates.

With ever passing day, Biden is resembling more and more like a walking corpse. There are conspiracy theories that claim that the original plan from the Democrats was to replace him mid-way through his term with Kamala Harris. But that would be another disaster, given her radical left-wing agenda. For 2024, IMO it would be again Biden vs Trump. Kamala is still unpalatable for the vast majority of the independent voters. And by then Biden will be 81 years old and Trump would be 78 years old. I sincerely hope that the GOP would rather nominate Ron DeSantis.

It's good that in the United States the power is quite centralized and no madman, even if he became president, can break everything. Kamala Harris is rejected by the average voter not only because she is a leftist, but because she seems frankly dumb - she laughs dumbly at any questions and spouts some kind of nonsense. Even AOC looks like an intellectual against her background.

[el kaka22]

Is it too much to ask both parties to not show neither Biden nor Trump as candidate. The worst thing that has ever happened in history of American democracy was the fact that "there are just two parties" ended up with giving us Biden or Trump choice, and they are the two people who got the most votes ever in history of elections, why? Were they simply that good? No, the other one was so bad that everyone voted for someone they disliked, because there was someone even more hated, 10x more hated, on the other side for both parties.

I am not saying go pick the greatest human or something, at this point any ex president looks better than these two, just pick someone else for either. About gambling part, Biden would win, not because Biden is great, he sucks, he is not even sane anymore, he is demanted, way too old, not a brain functioning properly, but imagine how terrible Trump is that people prefer Biden over him.

[LUCKMCFLY]

Isn't it too early?
I'm not from U.S. but I've read an article that Biden and Harris would run for re-election. But as news are showing, his term approval rate is low and is continuously falling on his 12th month as a president of U.S. I cannot really tell. What I am seeing at this moment from my country's end us that their currency is still strong unlike ours wherein its value continues to fall or to be behind other currencies right after the election was finished. Wether Kanye would continue his vision of running as president for people of U.S or not, I just hope U.S. won't suffer what we are currently experiencing in my country.  So with regards on betting, I'd probably not bet on this one since I'm not yet aware of the choices as well as odds. I might ask my friends in U.S. if my interests gets high.

The Democrat establishment would like to have Kamala Harris as their nominee in 2024, but then the voters may give a thumbs down. Harris is considered as more radical left, when compared to Biden, who is a moderate. Harris may suffer a washout in swing states such as Nevada and Florida. But the problem is that Biden will be almost 82 years when the POTUS election takes place next time. Already he is showing signs of fatigue and I am not sure whether he will be the right choice for the president of the United States, for the period of 2024-28.

This is quite strong, the truth is I do not know how the people of the USA think what their best option may be, nor do I dare to think if the exercise as president that Biden has done can be classified as good or bad, I have seen that Biden has let in Many immigrants and that can help you if you manage to give them nationality, which is what they are looking for the most. However, that is why many people are looking for it, the so-called American dream, which I really do not believe, however, Biden has given a great option on For me, a strong candidate would be Trump, but given his problems, I don't know for sure, but I think he won't be launched then.

[Sithara007]

It's good that in the United States the power is quite centralized and no madman, even if he became president, can break everything. Kamala Harris is rejected by the average voter not only because she is a leftist, but because she seems frankly dumb - she laughs dumbly at any questions and spouts some kind of nonsense. Even AOC looks like an intellectual against her background.

Hmmm.... keep your fingers crossed. There is a very good chance that Kamala Harris would become the POTUS in 2024. The GOP seems to be in very bad shape right now, especially after their disastrous performance in 2022 mid-terms. On top of that, Trump seems to be on a mission to destroy the GOP from inside, by defaming and badmouthing the younger (and more acceptable) leaders such as Ron DeSantis. First and foremost, in order to have a chance during the POTUS elections in 2024, the GOP needs to put that loser Trump in his place.

[slaman29]

What on earth happened and how did I not hear about this lol

Trump just can't disappear even with Twitter banning him, huh. I mean, he's not the most likable guy on the planet but sometimes you just have to admit these guys get less credit than deserved for being around despite everything.

I always lean towards democratic candidates but that's because I'm not American, no idea how policies really are except I can say there's more war when these guys are elected.

Can't believe Biden is almost same odds as Trump though??

[Blawpaw]

My bet goes to Biden as I do think that Trump is aleady done for.

After the attack at the American democracy, Trump lost hihs way and now people with their head in place in the US don't want to have a lunatic back in power, so Biden should easily beat Trump.

[OgNasty]

In post two I'll post odds and websites taking wagers.

I don't see any websites taking these bets yet and I agree with others that it is way too soon anyway.  Biden is not aging wonderfully and there's no promise he'll be able to physically run for reelection come 2024.  Every time I see him speak on TV the last few months, I'm astonished that they'd let someone so obviously beyond the age of coherence be President.  I don't think him running again is realistic, but I hope he does because he would get his ass kicked, which would be best for this country.

When I can, I'll be betting on whatever Republican candidate is running.  I've heard enough talk about vaccines and seen enough child grooming to know the current administration doesn't have the people's best interests in mind.

[Timelord2o67]

Biden is not aging wonderfully and there's no promise he'll be able to physically run for reelection come 2024.  Every time I see him speak on TV the last few months, I'm astonished that they'd let someone so obviously beyond the age of coherence be President. 

Biden is just four years older than Trump, so regardless of whether or not Trump runs or indeed wins, he will be the same age as Biden is now two years into the 2024-2028 term.

As an outsider (from Australia), I find it fascinating that you can't even run for the presidency until you are thirty-five.

[Sithara007]

Biden is just four years older than Trump, so regardless of whether or not Trump runs or indeed wins, he will be the same age as Biden is now two years into the 2024-2028 term.

As an outsider (from Australia), I find it fascinating that you can't even run for the presidency until you are thirty-five.

Trump maybe only 4 years younger, but he is a lot more healthier when compared to Biden. And he seems to be in good mental health when compared to Biden. All that said, I don't think that Trump is a suitable candidate for the 2024 POTUS elections. If Trump is the nominee from the GOP, then in all probability the Democrat candidate will have an easy win and will sweep swing states such as Arizona, Pennsylvania and Nevada. Trump lost the race in 2020. He needs to admit it and move on to some other role.

[Don Pedro Dinero]

Trump lost the race in 2020. He needs to admit it and move on to some other role.

I think so. Second parts were never good, and it seems to me that he is more driven by his ego than by a realistic view of the matter. I think Trump is a bad candidate for the Republican party, and that with the results of the mid-term elections, which were worse than expected for that party, many people are going to think long and hard about who they vote for in the primaries.

[tygeade]

Trump lost the race in 2020. He needs to admit it and move on to some other role.

I think so. Second parts were never good, and it seems to me that he is more driven by his ego than by a realistic view of the matter. I think Trump is a bad candidate for the Republican party, and that with the results of the mid-term elections, which were worse than expected for that party, many people are going to think long and hard about who they vote for in the primaries.

The funny thing is, at the time when he lost, he was seen as the biggest chance to win, of course it's "reelection" so he was seen as the leading candidate, that’s understandable. But only 2 years later, and now he is seen as "he should leave republican party alone already! he hurts the party!" by so many conservatives.

It’s really weird because I understand the logic of making him candidate when he is the president, EVERY president goes for relection and not have to deal with candidate raes, BUT they don't suddenly become the enemy of their own party just 2 years later. This going to be tough, not like democrats enjoy Biden neither, so we will have to see.

[Sithara007]

The funny thing is, at the time when he lost, he was seen as the biggest chance to win, of course it's "reelection" so he was seen as the leading candidate, that’s understandable. But only 2 years later, and now he is seen as "he should leave republican party alone already! he hurts the party!" by so many conservatives.

It’s really weird because I understand the logic of making him candidate when he is the president, EVERY president goes for relection and not have to deal with candidate raes, BUT they don't suddenly become the enemy of their own party just 2 years later. This going to be tough, not like democrats enjoy Biden neither, so we will have to see.

Trump has proved to be very selfish. If you remember, after he lost in the POTUS elections of 2020, he refused to campaign in the state of Georgia, where two very crucial senate elections were going on. The GOP candidates lost both races as a result of his behavior. And in the end, Democrats won control of the senate with a score of 50-50. Trump only cares about himself and he never thinks about his party. Even during the mid-terms, he pushed radical candidates and ensured that GOP would lose many seats which they would have won otherwise. At least Biden is not like this.

[Hispo]

The funny thing is, at the time when he lost, he was seen as the biggest chance to win, of course it's "reelection" so he was seen as the leading candidate, that’s understandable. But only 2 years later, and now he is seen as "he should leave republican party alone already! he hurts the party!" by so many conservatives.

It’s really weird because I understand the logic of making him candidate when he is the president, EVERY president goes for relection and not have to deal with candidate raes, BUT they don't suddenly become the enemy of their own party just 2 years later. This going to be tough, not like democrats enjoy Biden neither, so we will have to see.

Trump has proved to be very selfish. If you remember, after he lost in the POTUS elections of 2020, he refused to campaign in the state of Georgia, where two very crucial senate elections were going on. The GOP candidates lost both races as a result of his behavior. And in the end, Democrats won control of the senate with a score of 50-50. Trump only cares about himself and he never thinks about his party. Even during the mid-terms, he pushed radical candidates and ensured that GOP would lose many seats which they would have won otherwise. At least Biden is not like this.

I agree that Trump is not a good candidate for the established GOP power, it has certainly dynamited some of their influence and electoral power these last two years, now lately there seems to be a division growing within the GOP because of the victory of De Santis and the possibility he goes for the presidency. In terms of political betting, a Trump Vs De Santis scenario for the control of the Republican nomination sounds interesting.

[Sithara007]

The funny thing is, at the time when he lost, he was seen as the biggest chance to win, of course it's "reelection" so he was seen as the leading candidate, that’s understandable. But only 2 years later, and now he is seen as "he should leave republican party alone already! he hurts the party!" by so many conservatives.

It’s really weird because I understand the logic of making him candidate when he is the president, EVERY president goes for relection and not have to deal with candidate raes, BUT they don't suddenly become the enemy of their own party just 2 years later. This going to be tough, not like democrats enjoy Biden neither, so we will have to see.

Trump has proved to be very selfish. If you remember, after he lost in the POTUS elections of 2020, he refused to campaign in the state of Georgia, where two very crucial senate elections were going on. The GOP candidates lost both races as a result of his behavior. And in the end, Democrats won control of the senate with a score of 50-50. Trump only cares about himself and he never thinks about his party. Even during the mid-terms, he pushed radical candidates and ensured that GOP would lose many seats which they would have won otherwise. At least Biden is not like this.

I agree that Trump is not a good candidate for the established GOP power, it has certainly dynamited some of their influence and electoral power these last two years, now lately there seems to be a division growing within the GOP because of the victory of De Santis and the possibility he goes for the presidency. In terms of political betting, a Trump Vs De Santis scenario for the control of the Republican nomination sounds interesting.

One of the recent opinion polls put support for Trump's nomination at 45%, and that of DeSantis at 30% among the GOP voters (opinion poll from Politico). The recent numbers show strong rise in support for DeSantis, as most of the earlier polls had him in the 15% to 20% range and Trump was well ahead with >50% support. The momentum is with DeSantis, and chances are that he may unite the anti-Trump faction of the GOP. If he manages to get the support from others such as Pence and Cruz, then winning the nomination may not be too difficult for him.

[o48o]

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One of the recent opinion polls put support for Trump's nomination at 45%, and that of DeSantis at 30% among the GOP voters (opinion poll from Politico). The recent numbers show strong rise in support for DeSantis, as most of the earlier polls had him in the 15% to 20% range and Trump was well ahead with >50% support. The momentum is with DeSantis, and chances are that he may unite the anti-Trump faction of the GOP. If he manages to get the support from others such as Pence and Cruz, then winning the nomination may not be too difficult for him.

Poll doesn't really give a full picture because those minds who voted on polls will be affected by FOX supporting DeSantis, and later on the full force of GOP and that's not in full effect yet.

Twitter most likely would have helped Trump to win, but i am guessing he wants to avoid twitter as long as he can, because of psychological reasons:
(he would hate that spotlight is on Elon Musk now and he would need to compete about attention with another, even richer and more successful man, who by buying twitter made Musk his daddy and him to look tiny and weak in comparison.) So he won't be coming back until Elon begs him, or he will just lie to everyone he did beg him.

Any case, that's the only way for Trump to have a way to white house. Spotlight will have a huge impact even if that would be bad press.

I wish democrats would just stand behind Pete Buttage, as he would totally dominate in debates.

[FanEagle]

Poll doesn't really give a full picture because those minds who voted on polls will be affected by FOX supporting DeSantis, and later on the full force of GOP and that's not in full effect yet.

Twitter most likely would have helped Trump to win, but i am guessing he wants to avoid twitter as long as he can, because of psychological reasons:
(he would hate that spotlight is on Elon Musk now and he would need to compete about attention with another, even richer and more successful man, who by buying twitter made Musk his daddy and him to look tiny and weak in comparison.) So he won't be coming back until Elon begs him, or he will just lie to everyone he did beg him.

Any case, that's the only way for Trump to have a way to white house. Spotlight will have a huge impact even if that would be bad press.

I wish democrats would just stand behind Pete Buttage, as he would totally dominate in debates.

Wouldn't it be SUPER weird if suddenly Elon decides to run for it? I mean he would be perfect candidate for Republicans, he is a guy who did it by the "bootstraps", obviously he took money from his father who owns slave mines in Africa as an English colonizer, but nobody will focus on that, this is the party of "family values" who nominated Trump who was having affair with a porn star while his wife was giving birth.

Elon is also super rich, and weird and says whatever he wants and doesn't care if he hurts anyone or not. And he is famously in feud with AOC who is a leading progressive congresswoman as well. That’s why Elon could be an amazing nominee and could easily win for sure, like by a HUGE margin of victory, something like 60-40% is quite possible.

[o48o]

I think he might actually be surprisibly high on poll predictions if he listed. But i wouldn't bet on him. He couldn't get the vote of the common people as a richest man in the world. There's just too much to unpack there.

i think that he has enough spotlight and he knows that "being inside the system" wouldn't help his pr.
Especially when he doesn't know squat about politics.

So far he has been using his eccentricity to mask his mediocracy but debates might be too much for him. He wouldn't know how to dominate the conversation, and i think he is afraid that people see trough his act.

Right now he gets ton of love by just doing insane things. He is the richest man in the world who doesn't pay taxes with a fan base and he can basically do what even he wants. I don't know what he would get out of politics. Especially if he doesn't undertstand how any of it works. His bugdets might just be too irresponsible and weird for any party.

[Hispo]

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One of the recent opinion polls put support for Trump's nomination at 45%, and that of DeSantis at 30% among the GOP voters (opinion poll from Politico). The recent numbers show strong rise in support for DeSantis, as most of the earlier polls had him in the 15% to 20% range and Trump was well ahead with >50% support. The momentum is with DeSantis, and chances are that he may unite the anti-Trump faction of the GOP. If he manages to get the support from others such as Pence and Cruz, then winning the nomination may not be too difficult for him.

So if he managed to pull it off and manages to side with Cruz and Pence, would you bet in Favor of De Santis when the time of the GOP primaries come?
I am not personally sure if Cruz and Pence are too eager to dish Trump yet, they are still afraid of the power he has over their political base.

Whether De Santis manages to bring major GOP members to his side, if he ends up being the republican presidential candidate of the GOP, then it would be such a huge blow to Trump, the base and the rest of the republican representatives would have no reason left to stay with the ex-president. Trump won't go without a very savage fight, though.

De Santis may chicken out anyways and waste the momentum he is getting.

[Sithara007]

So if he managed to pull it off and manages to side with Cruz and Pence, would you bet in Favor of De Santis when the time of the GOP primaries come?
I am not personally sure if Cruz and Pence are too eager to dish Trump yet, they are still afraid of the power he has over their political base.

Whether De Santis manages to bring major GOP members to his side, if he ends up being the republican presidential candidate of the GOP, then it would be such a huge blow to Trump, the base and the rest of the republican representatives would have no reason left to stay with the ex-president. Trump won't go without a very savage fight, though.

De Santis may chicken out anyways and waste the momentum he is getting.

2023 is going to be crucial. One thing is sure. If Trump is the Republican nominee for 2024, then in all probability the Americans will have to deal with another 4 years of Democrat rule. Trump doesn't have the ability to win swing states and in the US elections the winner needs to take the swing states. DeSantis has that ability. But if Trump puts up a fight and decides to stand as a write-in candidate, then the GOP votes will get split. DeSantis has got plenty of support till now, and that is even before he has formally announced his plans for 2024.