Showdown: Trump Vs Haley. Bitcoin betting on the 2024 US Presidential Election

[Sithara007]

It is very rare for the president currently in power to not even run for a re-election, now his biggest impediments are his age and his health, but if he wants to run it would be difficult for the democratic party to not support him, and if someone else got the nomination while Biden made a run for it then this could show division to the voters.

And if the republicans nominate Trump you can be sure he will know how to exploit that division, as in part this is what allowed him to win on 2016 as he got Sanders supporters after he lost the nomination to Clinton.

Sanders supporters stayed at home. They never supported Trump. And they had valid reasons to do so, after the primary elections were stolen in many of the states using "super-delegate" clause. 45 out of the 47 Senators supported Hillary Clinton, as did 177 out of the 191 Representatives. This helped Clinton to defeat Sanders although the latter had the momentum. In the end, Sanders supporters chose not to support Trump, as he was a relatively unknown entity back then and Clinton also made no effort to win their votes as a result of arrogance.

And more importantly, Sanders won the states from where Democrats usually wins the electoral votes, such as Minnesota, Washington, Wisconsin and Oregon. Clinton swept the south-east part of the US, but only recently the Dems started winning electoral votes there (Georgia).

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[LUCKMCFLY]

Regarding how politics is in the USA, I think that everything will revolve around Biden and Trump, I don't see another option that is more viable, also from what I have seen of Terrump he is in very red numbers and that is something that subtracts many points from him When it comes to considering a presidency, upon reaching the presidency I think that many things would get worse, but I have seen a certain part of the USA that is very biased towards Trump's ideas, I really do not understand it, although there is a something very different from how politics is handled in South America, I see similar things, a lot of radicalization in terms of a political ideology and that for me is a mistake, when it falls into ideologies it is that things do not look good for the future.

[wiss19]

Sanders supporters stayed at home. They never supported Trump. And they had valid reasons to do so, after the primary elections were stolen in many of the states using "super-delegate" clause. 45 out of the 47 Senators supported Hillary Clinton, as did 177 out of the 191 Representatives. This helped Clinton to defeat Sanders although the latter had the momentum. In the end, Sanders supporters chose not to support Trump, as he was a relatively unknown entity back then and Clinton also made no effort to win their votes as a result of arrogance.

And more importantly, Sanders won the states from where Democrats usually wins the electoral votes, such as Minnesota, Washington, Wisconsin and Oregon. Clinton swept the south-east part of the US, but only recently the Dems started winning electoral votes there (Georgia).

It was a bad decision on their part, if Sanders was the president candidate that year, we would never have Trump. This dude is the biggest grassroots movement leader USA has ever seen, he didn't come from any political family or anything, he started his career by protesting with the people back in the 60's and being on the right side of history each and every time, even things that considered "bad" back in the day and good now, and he supported the right thing and that's how he built his career for this long.

At the end of the day, political powers of USA didn't want an anti-wealth person to be in charge, hence why they didn't care about the results, even Trump was better for moderate Democrats than a Sanders win would be.

[Sithara007]

It was a bad decision on their part, if Sanders was the president candidate that year, we would never have Trump. This dude is the biggest grassroots movement leader USA has ever seen, he didn't come from any political family or anything, he started his career by protesting with the people back in the 60's and being on the right side of history each and every time, even things that considered "bad" back in the day and good now, and he supported the right thing and that's how he built his career for this long.

At the end of the day, political powers of USA didn't want an anti-wealth person to be in charge, hence why they didn't care about the results, even Trump was better for moderate Democrats than a Sanders win would be.

Sanders was able to mobilize a lot of the younger voters, especially in the swing states. Clinton could have reached out to him after her primary win and made a deal, but she was too arrogant to do that. She even ignored some of the democrat leaning states such as Wisconsin and Michigan, and as a result these states went for Trump in 2016. But I agree with your argument that Sanders has an unblemished record in politics. The prospect of having Sanders as the POTUS spooked a lot of people, including Wall Street sharks and big corporates.

[sana54210]

Sanders was able to mobilize a lot of the younger voters, especially in the swing states. Clinton could have reached out to him after her primary win and made a deal, but she was too arrogant to do that. She even ignored some of the democrat leaning states such as Wisconsin and Michigan, and as a result these states went for Trump in 2016. But I agree with your argument that Sanders has an unblemished record in politics. The prospect of having Sanders as the POTUS spooked a lot of people, including Wall Street sharks and big corporates.

That's the power of being true to your word. If Sanders got the nomination, we all knew what he was about and he wasn't some politician who would compromise to just get more votes or liked/loved by more people. He has some ideas, he had them for the past 50 years and he believes in them very much so.

Even Republicans respect that, maybe not like him or dislike his ideas but at least he is not a corrupted disgusting person, that's what they are aware, so that type of respect for your opponent makes it harder to support Trump the same way. All in all, combine these all, and you got yourself a president. I believe AOC is the new version of that, and she will probably be in senate after a while and then who knows.

[aesma]

Sanders would have been crushed in the general election, especially with the Russian bots in action, they would have called him a red commie over and over and over. Which is ironic for Russian bots...

[Sithara007]

Sanders would have been crushed in the general election, especially with the Russian bots in action, they would have called him a red commie over and over and over. Which is ironic for Russian bots...

Typical Hillary argument after she lost the 2016 elections. Sanders doesn't care about Russia. He cares about the ordinary working class people in the United States. And he would have won by a landslide if the Democrats had nominated him for the 2016 POTUS elections. But they wanted Hillary to be the president by any means possible. And as a result the election was gifted to Donald Trump. And rather than accepting the result graciously, Hillary bots went on to attack everyone who opposed them, instead of doing some brainstorming and finding out a way forward. The same may happen in 2024, in case the Democrats want to nominate Kamala Harris (who is unelectable - plain and simple).

[aesma]

You don't get what I'm saying, of course Bernie Sanders doesn't care about Russia. But for US politics, Bernie is ultra far left, same as a communist. And a communist can't win a national election in the US.

Aside from that, I don't see Trump winning in 2024, but it will be fun to watch him try. He has a lot of support, but he has also lost a significant amount of it.

[Sithara007]

You don't get what I'm saying, of course Bernie Sanders doesn't care about Russia. But for US politics, Bernie is ultra far left, same as a communist. And a communist can't win a national election in the US.

Aside from that, I don't see Trump winning in 2024, but it will be fun to watch him try. He has a lot of support, but he has also lost a significant amount of it.

So you are saying that if Bernie was the Democrat nominee for 2016 POTUS elections, he could have never won? I am confused, because most of the opinion polls back then showed Bernie with a sizable lead over Trump. And more importantly, Bernie was performing exceptionally well in the rust-belt region, where Trump made most of his gains. His only drawback was that the African American voters refused to support him. But then no one cares about these votes, that are concentrated mostly in the deep-red states such as Alabama, Oklahoma and Mississippi. Democrats never win there.

[Mauser]

Regarding how politics is in the USA, I think that everything will revolve around Biden and Trump, I don't see another option that is more viable, also from what I have seen of Terrump he is in very red numbers and that is something that subtracts many points from him When it comes to considering a presidency, upon reaching the presidency I think that many things would get worse, but I have seen a certain part of the USA that is very biased towards Trump's ideas, I really do not understand it, although there is a something very different from how politics is handled in South America, I see similar things, a lot of radicalization in terms of a political ideology and that for me is a mistake, when it falls into ideologies it is that things do not look good for the future.

It's really crazy how both parties are not trying to buildup new candidates for the 2024 elections. I am only watching the political spectacle from the other side of the Atlantic, and it really baffles me that no one is trying to bring in a much younger politician for the race. The mid-terms where a debacle, like voting the new speaker. There is no clear majority for either one of the two parties. In my opinion this only shows how unhappy the voters are with their two candidates. Realistically I don't think that Joe Biden could be president for another 6 years, he already seems so lost sometimes now. Can't imagine how that would be in a couple of years. And then there is Trump, we already have seen 4 years Trump and it wasn't as bad as some people expected it, but also not much changed for the good. A much younger candidate would have a very good chance to beat either one of them, that's why I would not bet yet on the election. It's better to wait and see what will change in the next 1.5 years.

[Hispo]

You don't get what I'm saying, of course Bernie Sanders doesn't care about Russia. But for US politics, Bernie is ultra far left, same as a communist. And a communist can't win a national election in the US.

Aside from that, I don't see Trump winning in 2024, but it will be fun to watch him try. He has a lot of support, but he has also lost a significant amount of it.

Never say never, there is always a chance a candidate like Bernie could win an election in USA. Specially if that person is the democrat candidate for the presidency.
We are living in an era post red scare, there are more people leaning to the political left nowadays, I am sure you are noticed it yourself.

Bernie may already be a bit too old to see another chance for the presidency, but that does not mean he won't have political heirs in the coming years.

[Casdinyard]

Regarding how politics is in the USA, I think that everything will revolve around Biden and Trump, I don't see another option that is more viable, also from what I have seen of Terrump he is in very red numbers and that is something that subtracts many points from him When it comes to considering a presidency, upon reaching the presidency I think that many things would get worse, but I have seen a certain part of the USA that is very biased towards Trump's ideas, I really do not understand it, although there is a something very different from how politics is handled in South America, I see similar things, a lot of radicalization in terms of a political ideology and that for me is a mistake, when it falls into ideologies it is that things do not look good for the future.

With how Biden is acting lately, the trust of the common people to him are slowly diminishing. He's showing signs of dementia too, which is not a good thing to say the least and certainly not something that you would want for your president. Trump, despite how asinine his last few months in the term, is slowly gaining traction once again within the MAGA community so I do think Trump is gonna win over Biden this time, should Biden run for presidency again. There's Sanders, which I think will have a fighting chance as well, but I don't really see him winning against Trump when he already lost if I'm not mistaken around 2 or 3 elections against him.

[alegotardo]

With how Biden is acting lately, the trust of the common people to him are slowly diminishing. He's showing signs of dementia too, which is not a good thing to say the least and certainly not something that you would want for your president. Trump, despite how asinine his last few months in the term, is slowly gaining traction once again within the MAGA community so I do think Trump is gonna win over Biden this time, should Biden run for presidency again. There's Sanders, which I think will have a fighting chance as well, but I don't really see him winning against Trump when he already lost if I'm not mistaken around 2 or 3 elections against him.

I agree with you, because I was looking here at the results of a survey carried out in 2020 in the United States, which showed that 87% of voters who identify as Republicans approved of President Donald Trump's performance in the presidency.

In an average of polls taken since the election result, conducted live, pointed to an 89% approval rating for Trump among Republicans.

So the theory is that Trump's 2020 defeat should, "lead to a power vacuum" in the Republican ranks, however, Trump has been in an exceptionally strong position to maintain his grip on the party and until proven otherwise. , Trump should be considered the frontrunner for the 2024 Republican Party bid for president.

I also believe that Trump will beat Biden this time, should the two face each other in the race for the presidency.

[Sithara007]

The latest poll from Economist/YouGov once again shows Donald Trump with a considerable lead for the 2024 nomination. And I believe that this is bad news for the Republican Party. Trump is at 44%, while DeSantis is training with 32%. None of the other candidates are above the 5% mark. In the next few months, I expect supporters of Pence, Cruz and Haley to consolidate behind DeSantis. And then it needs to be seen whether this is enough to take him past Trump. Although it is too early to talk about it, at this point Trump is well behind Biden (42% vs 46% according to Economist/YouGov), while DeSantis is at a tie (43% vs 43%).

[LUCKMCFLY]

It was a bad decision on their part, if Sanders was the president candidate that year, we would never have Trump. This dude is the biggest grassroots movement leader USA has ever seen, he didn't come from any political family or anything, he started his career by protesting with the people back in the 60's and being on the right side of history each and every time, even things that considered "bad" back in the day and good now, and he supported the right thing and that's how he built his career for this long.

At the end of the day, political powers of USA didn't want an anti-wealth person to be in charge, hence why they didn't care about the results, even Trump was better for moderate Democrats than a Sanders win would be.

Sanders was able to mobilize a lot of the younger voters, especially in the swing states. Clinton could have reached out to him after her primary win and made a deal, but she was too arrogant to do that. She even ignored some of the democrat leaning states such as Wisconsin and Michigan, and as a result these states went for Trump in 2016. But I agree with your argument that Sanders has an unblemished record in politics. The prospect of having Sanders as the POTUS spooked a lot of people, including Wall Street sharks and big corporates.

This intrigues me a lot, I almost don't understand the politics they have in the USA, I know that now they have strong competition with Trump. Even though we know that if Trump becomes president again, I think it would be total chaos, I don't know if people in the USA now think like this, the disaster that Trump caused at one point, that he even took out some intelligence files and he took home that is something that should be punished, but I don't know, I think that money moves to another level, in the same way I see politics as very dirty in terms of everything being more unethical (at least where I live is like this) but I no longer see much difference with the countries that are first world.

[Sithara007]

This intrigues me a lot, I almost don't understand the politics they have in the USA, I know that now they have strong competition with Trump. Even though we know that if Trump becomes president again, I think it would be total chaos, I don't know if people in the USA now think like this, the disaster that Trump caused at one point, that he even took out some intelligence files and he took home that is something that should be punished, but I don't know, I think that money moves to another level, in the same way I see politics as very dirty in terms of everything being more unethical (at least where I live is like this) but I no longer see much difference with the countries that are first world.

Well.. I am not a resident of the United States, so I don't know much about this. But the choice for 2024 seems to be between two elderly men (who are close to 80 years of age). On one side we have Biden, who can't walk on his own, and has dementia. On the other hand, we have Donald Trump, who seems to be mentally handicapped. At this point, other candidates such as Kamala Harris and Ron DeSantis are trailing behind these two for the nomination battle. And since you were talking about intelligence files, here is something even better:

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-64362655

[RealMalatesta]

This intrigues me a lot, I almost don't understand the politics they have in the USA, I know that now they have strong competition with Trump. Even though we know that if Trump becomes president again, I think it would be total chaos, I don't know if people in the USA now think like this, the disaster that Trump caused at one point, that he even took out some intelligence files and he took home that is something that should be punished, but I don't know, I think that money moves to another level, in the same way I see politics as very dirty in terms of everything being more unethical (at least where I live is like this) but I no longer see much difference with the countries that are first world.

What you need to understand about American politics is not that far off from most other nations, usually it's not this dire and aggressive in west, but it is quite valid for many nations. The idea is that "if the other side wins, our nation will go into total chaos and we will all die!!", I am not joking, if you are not from a western nation, then you will know that it's like that in many parts of the world, in my nation it's like that too, if the other side wins then we will all die, but it's very much so in USA as well.

Hell, look at lockdown and pandemic period, democrats are saying if Hilary won, they would have more lockdowns and more mask mandates and this many people wouldn't die, so it's literally death or life situation to manage to vote for your president over there, and that's why it's so aggressive between two parties.

[Sithara007]

Hell, look at lockdown and pandemic period, democrats are saying if Hilary won, they would have more lockdowns and more mask mandates and this many people wouldn't die, so it's literally death or life situation to manage to vote for your president over there, and that's why it's so aggressive between two parties.

I don't know how much difference it could have made, if Dems were in power instead of the GOP. In the end, it was left to the State governments and City administrations to decide the extent of lockdown measures. And have no doubt here. Both GOP and Democrats support big-pharma. Pfizer and Moderna both made tens of billions of USD (if not hundreds of billions) in profits from this pandemic. The mRNA COVID vaccination is the biggest healthcare scandal that we saw in recent years. Pfizer hid the fact that their vaccine loses it's efficacy after 2-3 months and recipients need to get booster shots very often.

BTW, I just checked Stake.com. GOP is still favored to win POTUS 2024 (Ron DeSantis at 3.25 vs Joe Biden at 3.80).

[LUCKMCFLY]

Sanders was able to mobilize a lot of the younger voters, especially in the swing states. Clinton could have reached out to him after her primary win and made a deal, but she was too arrogant to do that. She even ignored some of the democrat leaning states such as Wisconsin and Michigan, and as a result these states went for Trump in 2016. But I agree with your argument that Sanders has an unblemished record in politics. The prospect of having Sanders as the POTUS spooked a lot of people, including Wall Street sharks and big corporates.

That's the power of being true to your word. If Sanders got the nomination, we all knew what he was about and he wasn't some politician who would compromise to just get more votes or liked/loved by more people. He has some ideas, he had them for the past 50 years and he believes in them very much so.

Even Republicans respect that, maybe not like him or dislike his ideas but at least he is not a corrupted disgusting person, that's what they are aware, so that type of respect for your opponent makes it harder to support Trump the same way. All in all, combine these all, and you got yourself a president. I believe AOC is the new version of that, and she will probably be in senate after a while and then who knows.

The thing about Sanders is a thing that surprises me, what I didn't know was that all this aroused in US politics, I find it interesting, and since Donald Trump was splashed all at once, what concerns me is that Trump is a person who can stay again, I don't know, I think things are focusing very much in his favor, according to the news as I have seen it, the approach they have now, I think they are heading to recover the economy global and they want to take it to a different level, perhaps they want to recover everything that is lost due to the high inflation that has existed, it is something that can occur as a consequence of the decision of the Americans, which will undoubtedly have repercussions in all countries economies.

This intrigues me a lot, I almost don't understand the politics they have in the USA, I know that now they have strong competition with Trump. Even though we know that if Trump becomes president again, I think it would be total chaos, I don't know if people in the USA now think like this, the disaster that Trump caused at one point, that he even took out some intelligence files and he took home that is something that should be punished, but I don't know, I think that money moves to another level, in the same way I see politics as very dirty in terms of everything being more unethical (at least where I live is like this) but I no longer see much difference with the countries that are first world.

What you need to understand about American politics is not that far off from most other nations, usually it's not this dire and aggressive in west, but it is quite valid for many nations. The idea is that "if the other side wins, our nation will go into total chaos and we will all die!!", I am not joking, if you are not from a western nation, then you will know that it's like that in many parts of the world, in my nation it's like that too, if the other side wins then we will all die, but it's very much so in USA as well.

Hell, look at lockdown and pandemic period, democrats are saying if Hilary won, they would have more lockdowns and more mask mandates and this many people wouldn't die, so it's literally death or life situation to manage to vote for your president over there, and that's why it's so aggressive between two parties.

Well, you are right, what happens is that in the USA things are very different from how things are handled in politics, sometimes some people say that it is very easy to give an opinion from abroad, that it is another thing to live things from where they are originating Everything, the truth is that for some third world countries or even in South America, they see Hilary as a good ally, of course, because she is a woman, they believe that there is more option to enter to have a better condition of diplomacy and opportunities, compared to Trump They see him as that person who is very tough and who has many objections against this type of country, particularly that is the fear that some heads of state present, it is better to deal with someone who is not so radical.

[Sithara007]

The thing about Sanders is a thing that surprises me, what I didn't know was that all this aroused in US politics, I find it interesting, and since Donald Trump was splashed all at once, what concerns me is that Trump is a person who can stay again, I don't know, I think things are focusing very much in his favor, according to the news as I have seen it, the approach they have now, I think they are heading to recover the economy global and they want to take it to a different level, perhaps they want to recover everything that is lost due to the high inflation that has existed, it is something that can occur as a consequence of the decision of the Americans, which will undoubtedly have repercussions in all countries economies.

Sanders is no longer in contention for 2024. He is 81 years old and I don't think that he will go for Democrat nomination during the next POTUS elections. So the Democrat candidate is either going to be Joe Biden or Kamala Harris, two of the most unpopular choices possible. I juts checked the odds in Stake, and Joe Biden is at 1.57 for Democrat nomination. Kamala is at 7.50. Others are lagging far behind, with Newsom at 11.00, Buttigieg at 16.90 and Michelle Obama at 20.90. Sanders is at 41.00. So it is fair to say that the next Democrat nominee would be either Biden or Kamala.