Showdown: Trump Vs Haley. Bitcoin betting on the 2024 US Presidential Election

[darkangel11]

so whoever wins, If crypto-friendly and doesn't like the war, I will support him.

He may not support war but that doesn't mean there won't be one. If China attacks Taiwan, or if North Korea attack the South there will be a war in which the US will take part, despite of whoever they choose to be the president. There will also be a war if Russia uses nukes or of Russia attacks a NATO country...
IMO Biden has no chance for reelection. He's too old and is proving to be weak. A weak president makes the country look weak.

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[ChiBitCTy]

so whoever wins, If crypto-friendly and doesn't like the war, I will support him.

He may not support war but that doesn't mean there won't be one. If China attacks Taiwan, or if North Korea attack the South there will be a war in which the US will take part, despite of whoever they choose to be the president. There will also be a war if Russia uses nukes or of Russia attacks a NATO country...
IMO Biden has no chance for reelection. He's too old and is proving to be weak. A weak president makes the country look weak.

Yeah there is of course always going to be situations where war might unfortunately be necessary that is out of the control of any NATO or UN member nation.  North Korea attacking the south would absolutely spark a war..I"m not sure about China attacking Taiwan, because that likely means WW3.

I think Biden has a chance if Trump were to win the Republican nod.  They are both so heavily disliked nationwide that I think it could turn out just like the last election did.

[coolcoinz]

I think Biden has a chance if Trump were to win the Republican nod.  They are both so heavily disliked nationwide that I think it could turn out just like the last election did.

You're right. Biden probably won only because people had enough of Trump and his constant boasting. I'm the best at this, I'm the best at that, grab them by the pussy.

IMO this time there's very high chance of a woman president. People had enough of war mongering white, conservative, rich guy, so they voted for a black liberal, then again for something completely opposite, which was another rich white guy, and then again a rich, white conservative, because this is what they wanted but unfortunately the guy is too old for the job. There's a chance people will again want the complete opposite, which is a liberal woman, preferably not white.

[wheelz1200]

I think Biden has a chance if Trump were to win the Republican nod.  They are both so heavily disliked nationwide that I think it could turn out just like the last election did.

You're right. Biden probably won only because people had enough of Trump and his constant boasting. I'm the best at this, I'm the best at that, grab them by the pussy.

IMO this time there's very high chance of a woman president. People had enough of war mongering white, conservative, rich guy, so they voted for a black liberal, then again for something completely opposite, which was another rich white guy, and then again a rich, white conservative, because this is what they wanted but unfortunately the guy is too old for the job. There's a chance people will again want the complete opposite, which is a liberal woman, preferably not white.

Don't think trumpy boy is gonna get the nod this year for the republican party.  I could see de santis getting the nod.  Doesn't matter trump will run anyway lol.  If that's the case than I don't see anyone winning the popular vote and would end up coming down to a few key states again.  Florida was key for trump no way he could win that state this time around.  Either way I'm ready for the popcorn worthy debates and then the ultimate deflating election in which we ALL get someone who doesn't represent the people anyway.

[Sithara007]

He may not support war but that doesn't mean there won't be one. If China attacks Taiwan, or if North Korea attack the South there will be a war in which the US will take part, despite of whoever they choose to be the president. There will also be a war if Russia uses nukes or of Russia attacks a NATO country...
IMO Biden has no chance for reelection. He's too old and is proving to be weak. A weak president makes the country look weak.

Theses two scenarios (Taiwan and Korea) are not 100% guaranteed. If China invades Taiwan, then we can expect a retaliation from the Americans. But I am not sure whether the US will declare full fledged war against China or not. Same with the case of Korea. The US in all probability will send military and financial aid, similar to the way they are doing in Ukraine. Any direct conflict with China or DPRK will result in hundreds of thousands of American casualties, and at this point the US can't afford that that many casualties.

Now coming to Biden, I would say that his chances look much brighter now. GOP is in shambles. The situation is similar to what we had with Dems, after the 2016 primaries. Back then, Sanders supporters stayed at home, resulting in Trump winning the elections. This time, it is going to be the opposite. Irrespective of who wins the primaries (Trump or DeSantis), the losing candidate will refuse to support the nominee, and this will result in Biden winning the 2024 POTUS elections.

[FanEagle]

It's basically a known thing at this point that; if DeSantis gets the nomination, he will be the president, if Trump gets it then Biden will win, and if Biden decides not to run (which is unlikely) or unable to run at that point and Kamala runs, any republican will win.

These are not guaranteed, these are of course still quite risky and sensitive subjects and there is a good chance that we may not end up seeing or hearing about these odds being settled for at least another 6 months, and the elections are not like in 1st of January neither, so it's going to take a while. I bet that it's going to be changing a lot from now until the elections, but this is how it looks so far.

[Sithara007]

It's basically a known thing at this point that; if DeSantis gets the nomination, he will be the president, if Trump gets it then Biden will win, and if Biden decides not to run (which is unlikely) or unable to run at that point and Kamala runs, any republican will win.
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LOL.. that sums up the current scenario. There are four possibilities:

Trump getting nominated from GOP, Biden from Dem: Easy win for Biden
Trump getting nominated from GOP, Kamala from Dem: Tough, but chances are higher for Trump
DeSantis from GOP vs Biden/Kamala from Dem: Two scenarios - 1. Trump supports DeSantis - easy win for DeSantis 2. Trump doesn't support DeSantis - easy win for Biden/Kamala

Given how Trump has behaved so far, I would say that he is the no.1 threat for a potential GOP win in 2024. He is too selfish and in case he doesn't get nominated, then he will make sure that the GOP candidate loses.

[Chikito]

It's basically a known thing at this point that; if DeSantis gets the nomination, he will be the president, if Trump gets it then Biden will win, and if Biden decides not to run (which is unlikely) or unable to run at that point and Kamala runs, any republican will win.

Basic with your opinion, seem like Republic Party is very strong right now, except for Biden if he wants to run again. I don't know what makes the democrat party aren't popular since Obama. Maybe they must reform the policy to do not support war or siding with a warring country. The economic effect is more important thing than the election, the public wants the government to focus on that issue. Maybe Ron DeSantis can do that, we know how he policy with not support Mask, WFH and Vaccinate. His opinion is much liked by the public, because that he have the best odds than Biden and trumph.

[LUCKMCFLY]

In the USA, what political current is dominating right now? because I think that Trump's is quite radical and I don't think he can win, although I have seen some programs used that are from some predictors who say and affirm that the winner will be Trump,. Although I don't see the Americans, seeing themselves with such a political current, I think Biden has not done badly, he has had many things, I know it's a pity that what happened in Russia could not be avoided, I know that they could have entered into more conversations with them to avoid the attacks on Ukraine, but that's something else, I think the main thing here is that, that something worse doesn't unleash for them and for the world, whoever promises to end that war can win.

[FanEagle]

It's basically a known thing at this point that; if DeSantis gets the nomination, he will be the president, if Trump gets it then Biden will win, and if Biden decides not to run (which is unlikely) or unable to run at that point and Kamala runs, any republican will win.
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LOL.. that sums up the current scenario. There are four possibilities:

Trump getting nominated from GOP, Biden from Dem: Easy win for Biden
Trump getting nominated from GOP, Kamala from Dem: Tough, but chances are higher for Trump
DeSantis from GOP vs Biden/Kamala from Dem: Two scenarios - 1. Trump supports DeSantis - easy win for DeSantis 2. Trump doesn't support DeSantis - easy win for Biden/Kamala

Given how Trump has behaved so far, I would say that he is the no.1 threat for a potential GOP win in 2024. He is too selfish and in case he doesn't get nominated, then he will make sure that the GOP candidate loses.

I would say no matter what Trump does, if Kamala runs, DeSantis would easily do better than her, even if Trump runs an anti-DeSantis campaign and talks badly about him everywhere he goes, it won't matter because Kamala is nowhere near DeSantis. If Trump does that but Biden runs? There is definitely a good chance he could still with, Biden is too old and not many people trust him.

Basically that is why I said if DeSantis runs, no matter what happens, he would probably get the win, highly unlikely for him to lose, still could happen but unlikely. The reason why Biden was elected was because people didn't want Trump, if they got rid of Trump, then DeSantis is not someone they are against that much. Not as much as Trump at least.

[mindrust]

DeSantis will probably support Trump and Trump is going o win, again. Kamala shouldn't even bother. She cannot win. Biden cannot win too. The dems are simply out of options here. If DeSantis runs, Trump will probably support him and another easy win for the Reps. No matter who runs for the dems, they are going to lose the upcoming elections.

[nullama]

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IMO this time there's very high chance of a woman president. People had enough of war mongering white, conservative, rich guy, so they voted for a black liberal, then again for something completely opposite, which was another rich white guy, and then again a rich, white conservative, because this is what they wanted but unfortunately the guy is too old for the job. There's a chance people will again want the complete opposite, which is a liberal woman, preferably not white.

Ideally the president should be elected based on what they bring to the table, the ideas, how they think, how can they lead a country, etc.

I find it a bit silly to elect a president based on their appearance, gender, etc. Makes no sense to me really, although apparently it's how a lot of people vote.

[Sithara007]

I would say no matter what Trump does, if Kamala runs, DeSantis would easily do better than her, even if Trump runs an anti-DeSantis campaign and talks badly about him everywhere he goes, it won't matter because Kamala is nowhere near DeSantis. If Trump does that but Biden runs? There is definitely a good chance he could still with, Biden is too old and not many people trust him.

Basically that is why I said if DeSantis runs, no matter what happens, he would probably get the win, highly unlikely for him to lose, still could happen but unlikely. The reason why Biden was elected was because people didn't want Trump, if they got rid of Trump, then DeSantis is not someone they are against that much. Not as much as Trump at least.

Back in 2016 and 2020, the pollsters underestimated GOP support. In both cases, GOP won more electoral college votes, than those predicted by the pollsters. But the situation changed completely in 2022. During the midterms, GOP lost 2-3 senate seats which they would have easily won. For the United States House of Representatives elections, I was expecting the GOP to win 240-250 seats and they ended up with just 222 (a bare majority). And then we had all the drama with Kevin McCarthy's speaker election. I am not getting too excited about GOP's chances in 2024. At this point, if the party is united then they have a 50% chance. That gets reduced to almost nothing, if there is infighting.

BTW, Harris is no longer the no.2 for Democrat nomination:

[jaberwock]

Back in 2016 and 2020, the pollsters underestimated GOP support. In both cases, GOP won more electoral college votes, than those predicted by the pollsters. But the situation changed completely in 2022. During the midterms, GOP lost 2-3 senate seats which they would have easily won. For the United States House of Representatives elections, I was expecting the GOP to win 240-250 seats and they ended up with just 222 (a bare majority). And then we had all the drama with Kevin McCarthy's speaker election. I am not getting too excited about GOP's chances in 2024. At this point, if the party is united then they have a 50% chance. That gets reduced to almost nothing, if there is infighting.

BTW, Harris is no longer the no.2 for Democrat nomination:

The fact that ocasio-cortez looks to be candidate, when she can barely be the president because of the age requirement. Which always confused me, why have age requirement for the bottom but not at the top, you can be 80 years old and be a candidate but not lets say 25 years old? I understand experience matters but at 80 years old you are not an expert, you are focusing on having clean diapers. Okay, maybe not that much but I would trust the nation to a 30 year old than an 80 year old who would be 84 when the cycle is done, 84 years old! That's way too old to be a president.

But right now, there is a 35 year old requirement and Ocasio-Cortez will be 35 in 2025, which she might be when she is sworn in, or basically when she starts, but it is clear that it's too close of a call. Hence, she won't even be a candidate, maybe later, like after one or two more terms here, a few more terms in senate, and then presidency?

[Sithara007]

The fact that ocasio-cortez looks to be candidate, when she can barely be the president because of the age requirement. Which always confused me, why have age requirement for the bottom but not at the top, you can be 80 years old and be a candidate but not lets say 25 years old? I understand experience matters but at 80 years old you are not an expert, you are focusing on having clean diapers. Okay, maybe not that much but I would trust the nation to a 30 year old than an 80 year old who would be 84 when the cycle is done, 84 years old! That's way too old to be a president.

But right now, there is a 35 year old requirement and Ocasio-Cortez will be 35 in 2025, which she might be when she is sworn in, or basically when she starts, but it is clear that it's too close of a call. Hence, she won't even be a candidate, maybe later, like after one or two more terms here, a few more terms in senate, and then presidency?

I agree that this minimum limit of 35 years is all bull shit. Actually there should be a maximum age like 80 years or so (just a suggestion, and I don't fully support it), and no minimum age apart from the default limit of 18 years when an individual can become a voter. BTW, this minimum age and maximum age requirement is like discriminating people based on their age. If I need to chose between Kamala Harris and Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, then I would go for the latter at any time of the day. But I really hope that the American voters don't have to go for a choice between these two. And even for the Democrat establishment, AOC's links with Sanders will be a hot topic. BTW, at least in looks, AOC scores better than the other Dems.

[Emitdama]

I would guess that democratic primary isn't even going to happen, I get that there could be some people who could run a campaign and all, but to be a nominee when the sitting president is a candidate would be a big trouble for anyone who wants to run.

I get it, Biden is not looking good for even some democrats, but no sitting president who ran for reelection lost the nomination as far as I can ever remember, hell until Trump most people who were presidents ended up running for a second term, bush had one, Clinton had one (cut short) bush Jr had one, and Obama had one, they all went for reelection and not just got the nomination, but won the election as well. So, it would be quite difficult for anyone if Biden runs again.

[jaberwock]

this minimum limit of 35 years is all bull shit. Actually there should be a maximum age like 80 years or so (just a suggestion, and I don't fully support it), and no minimum age apart from the default limit of 18 years when an individual can become a voter. BTW, this minimum age and maximum age requirement is like discriminating people based on their age. If I need to chose between Kamala Harris and Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, then I would go for the latter at any time of the day. But I really hope that the American voters don't have to go for a choice between these two. And even for the Democrat establishment, AOC's links with Sanders will be a hot topic. BTW, at least in looks, AOC scores better than the other Dems.

The idea should be if you are capable of voting, you should be represented and the people who you vote for should be exactly the same rights as the ones who vote for those people. So, if you are 18 years old and can vote, you should be able to also get voted as well, if you are 80 and vote, then you should be voted for as well.

AOC is an example, but I still think she is not ready, at least one term as a senator would be a lot better for her and with the amount of support she gets, I am 100% certain she can do it one day, afterwards she can maybe go for the nomination. I think she would be something different, not sure if better, but we had same kind of presidents at USA for many years now, something different could be good.

[LUCKMCFLY]

I believe that the odds for Kamala are fair. Her political views are extreme and she is considered my many as "unelectable". Although odds for other democrat candidates such as Pete Buttigieg and Raphael Warnock are currently not that favorable, as the primaries near these candidates may gain enough traction to overtake Kamala. The current odds (7.50) looks reasonable for me. And these odds are for winning the 2024 POTUS elections and not for winning the Democrat primaries. Kamala, in case she wins the primary, has approximately 30% chance of becoming the POTUS. On the other hand, Buttigieg has a 70% chance, in case he wins the primaries.

We love to imagine USA as this improved and developed nation with high regard of freedom. But in reality, they are lacking that so much, they are a backwards nation, which means a female that is coloured would be pretty difficult to hit. Hell they preferred Trump over a women, although that woman was Hillary Cliton so I do not really blame them.

Long story short, Kamala would lose if she was the candidate, because she is a woman, and she is a person of colour, and it is greatly obvious that USA doesn't like that in bulk. Maybe it would be possible if she got the votes of millions of women who didn't voted, but that is a tough task and would require a lot of hard work on campaign.

Well, I can't deny one thing, as far as Trump is concerned, he has a super spectacular oratory, everyone understands that, that's something I really admire and his side of non-acceptance of the communist current is something that can help a lot, however , I have noticed that sometimes things can get complicated when you go only in a single political current because it is something that goes against many things and you do not cover many thoughts, and that can throw you back, but even so, I see strong Trump for these elections, regardless of the fact that he says that many people are big fans of him, I even think that they have created a kind of Pro Trump sect, which is not good, because it generates a lot of fanaticism.

[ChiBitCTy]

I would guess that democratic primary isn't even going to happen, I get that there could be some people who could run a campaign and all, but to be a nominee when the sitting president is a candidate would be a big trouble for anyone who wants to run.

I get it, Biden is not looking good for even some democrats, but no sitting president who ran for reelection lost the nomination as far as I can ever remember, hell until Trump most people who were presidents ended up running for a second term, bush had one, Clinton had one (cut short) bush Jr had one, and Obama had one, they all went for reelection and not just got the nomination, but won the election as well. So, it would be quite difficult for anyone if Biden runs again.

I am starting to think that Biden might not even run. The guy is not doing a very good job by anyone’s standards (I’m an independent for the record so no bias here) and I think his party is going to make sure he understands that he shouldn’t be running again. I don’t think Trump will win the nomination either, I think that will go towards Ron D’s way.

What a joke either way all the way around.

[Hispo]

In case some of you missed the news: Nikki Haley (former Trump's ambassador at the United Nations) is officially running for the Republican Party nomination.
I have read somewhere on the internet that she may have about 3% of the support of the Republican base, One needs to wonder why this woman would even run against Trump.

Anyways, does anyone around here dare to bet in favor of Nikki going far during the Republican primaries?