Showdown: Trump Vs Haley. Bitcoin betting on the 2024 US Presidential Election

[swogerino]

The thing about Sanders is a thing that surprises me, what I didn't know was that all this aroused in US politics, I find it interesting, and since Donald Trump was splashed all at once, what concerns me is that Trump is a person who can stay again, I don't know, I think things are focusing very much in his favor, according to the news as I have seen it, the approach they have now, I think they are heading to recover the economy global and they want to take it to a different level, perhaps they want to recover everything that is lost due to the high inflation that has existed, it is something that can occur as a consequence of the decision of the Americans, which will undoubtedly have repercussions in all countries economies.

Sanders is no longer in contention for 2024. He is 81 years old and I don't think that he will go for Democrat nomination during the next POTUS elections. So the Democrat candidate is either going to be Joe Biden or Kamala Harris, two of the most unpopular choices possible. I juts checked the odds in Stake, and Joe Biden is at 1.57 for Democrat nomination. Kamala is at 7.50. Others are lagging far behind, with Newsom at 11.00, Buttigieg at 16.90 and Michelle Obama at 20.90. Sanders is at 41.00. So it is fair to say that the next Democrat nominee would be either Biden or Kamala.

Most likely it is them,Joe Biden or Kamela Harris but I think we are quite early in 2023 and many things can happen that can dramatically change the course of such elections.God forbid but it can be possible that Biden dies because of his old age and so Kamela Harris to go from 7.5 to 1.3 in odds so I think a good option to choose is exactly her.

I think the same can happen to Trump as he is old also but he looks like much more vital and ready to take on another challenge while Biden I have seen him in meetings,he barely moves and walks,a really bad sign in my opinion.

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[RealMalatesta]

I don't know how much difference it could have made, if Dems were in power instead of the GOP. In the end, it was left to the State governments and City administrations to decide the extent of lockdown measures. And have no doubt here. Both GOP and Democrats support big-pharma. Pfizer and Moderna both made tens of billions of USD (if not hundreds of billions) in profits from this pandemic. The mRNA COVID vaccination is the biggest healthcare scandal that we saw in recent years. Pfizer hid the fact that their vaccine loses it's efficacy after 2-3 months and recipients need to get booster shots very often.

BTW, I just checked Stake.com. GOP is still favored to win POTUS 2024 (Ron DeSantis at 3.25 vs Joe Biden at 3.80).

It sort of was, and wasn't at the same time. There were small periods of federal lockdown as well, and if you do that, you save a lot more people. I know some people out there do not believed the whole pandemic thing, and they didn't believe the vaccination and didn't get it etc etc.

However, I am not one of those people, I believe millions died because of it and could have been saved with strict regulations and lockdowns, don't care what anyone else thinks, it should have been done. In my nation we had it, strict lockdowns I mean, and it was mandated and nobody went to work and we worked from home etc, and we had much much much smaller number and smaller percentage of people died thanks to that, I am glad I lived in my nation and not USA during this pandemic.

[aesma]

You don't get what I'm saying, of course Bernie Sanders doesn't care about Russia. But for US politics, Bernie is ultra far left, same as a communist. And a communist can't win a national election in the US.

Aside from that, I don't see Trump winning in 2024, but it will be fun to watch him try. He has a lot of support, but he has also lost a significant amount of it.

So you are saying that if Bernie was the Democrat nominee for 2016 POTUS elections, he could have never won? I am confused, because most of the opinion polls back then showed Bernie with a sizable lead over Trump. And more importantly, Bernie was performing exceptionally well in the rust-belt region, where Trump made most of his gains. His only drawback was that the African American voters refused to support him. But then no one cares about these votes, that are concentrated mostly in the deep-red states such as Alabama, Oklahoma and Mississippi. Democrats never win there.

Hillary Clinton also won all polls.

Still she lost the election.

Bernie was out long before then so knowing what polls would have looked like just before the election is impossible.

Hillary didn't get some of Bernie's supporters votes, but Bernie would have faced the same issue, he would have lost the center left vote.

[FanEagle]

The biggest issue here would be who the republican candidate will be. I keep saying that Trump would have a very hard time winning, but USA would face 4 years of Biden as well, which would be not so great for Biden, a sad fact for USA. It is a shame for the choices to be these old idiots, but at the very least one will win. However, if DeSantis gets the nomination? Lets see how it will be when it gets closer.

The fact that republicans lost the senate says a lot, and definitely caused a lot of trouble for them, and even though the house is still theirs, which is an achievement, it is not even by that much of a large margin neither. So, it is definitely a tough spot. Look at how they treated their own speaker, and you will see why it is tough.

[Hispo]

The biggest issue here would be who the republican candidate will be. I keep saying that Trump would have a very hard time winning, but USA would face 4 years of Biden as well, which would be not so great for Biden, a sad fact for USA. It is a shame for the choices to be these old idiots, but at the very least one will win. However, if DeSantis gets the nomination? Lets see how it will be when it gets closer.

The fact that republicans lost the senate says a lot, and definitely caused a lot of trouble for them, and even though the house is still theirs, which is an achievement, it is not even by that much of a large margin neither. So, it is definitely a tough spot. Look at how they treated their own speaker, and you will see why it is tough.

I personally believe there is no way the democrat party allows Biden to run again and DeSantis is waiting for an opportunity for him to announce his run for the presidency, however he may feel intimidated enough by Trump that he may try to go for the position once Trump becomes politically irrelevant.

The Democrat candidate will likely be a surprise, just like Obama was, back in the day.
If Biden somehow gets his nomination, I would not bet on him.

[STT]

Kamala is at 7.50.

Those are good odds if you think about it, that is literally the next in line should any reason at all be there for Biden not to run again and so thats a bet win I presume.

I keep saying that Trump would have a very hard time winning,

He is no longer the transformative candidate that he was when he first ran.   I cant remember anyone losing an election then winning later, its beyond living memory to do so.    He shouldnt get the nomination but might I suppose, if I was betting here (right now) I'd go for the man from Florida somehow making it on a long shot as a bet.

[Sithara007]

Kamala is at 7.50.

Those are good odds if you think about it, that is literally the next in line should any reason at all be there for Biden not to run again and so thats a bet win I presume.

I believe that the odds for Kamala are fair. Her political views are extreme and she is considered my many as "unelectable". Although odds for other democrat candidates such as Pete Buttigieg and Raphael Warnock are currently not that favorable, as the primaries near these candidates may gain enough traction to overtake Kamala. The current odds (7.50) looks reasonable for me. And these odds are for winning the 2024 POTUS elections and not for winning the Democrat primaries. Kamala, in case she wins the primary, has approximately 30% chance of becoming the POTUS. On the other hand, Buttigieg has a 70% chance, in case he wins the primaries.

[LUCKMCFLY]

Regarding how politics is in the USA, I think that everything will revolve around Biden and Trump, I don't see another option that is more viable, also from what I have seen of Terrump he is in very red numbers and that is something that subtracts many points from him When it comes to considering a presidency, upon reaching the presidency I think that many things would get worse, but I have seen a certain part of the USA that is very biased towards Trump's ideas, I really do not understand it, although there is a something very different from how politics is handled in South America, I see similar things, a lot of radicalization in terms of a political ideology and that for me is a mistake, when it falls into ideologies it is that things do not look good for the future.

It's really crazy how both parties are not trying to buildup new candidates for the 2024 elections. I am only watching the political spectacle from the other side of the Atlantic, and it really baffles me that no one is trying to bring in a much younger politician for the race. The mid-terms where a debacle, like voting the new speaker. There is no clear majority for either one of the two parties. In my opinion this only shows how unhappy the voters are with their two candidates. Realistically I don't think that Joe Biden could be president for another 6 years, he already seems so lost sometimes now. Can't imagine how that would be in a couple of years. And then there is Trump, we already have seen 4 years Trump and it wasn't as bad as some people expected it, but also not much changed for the good. A much younger candidate would have a very good chance to beat either one of them, that's why I would not bet yet on the election. It's better to wait and see what will change in the next 1.5 years.

Well, it is not because I am an skeptic and believe in what some gurus say, but according to some they say that Trump will repeat his mandate, and that is something that can be very strong for the world, what Biden has achieved so far will be totally erased by Trump, now the immigration policies will also be erased, I think that all these things will have great repercussions throughout the world, some businesses with countries that have an alliance with the USA will also go down, the bad thing about Trump is that he is a very radical, and that makes many political currents very much against him, one of the things that he could not do was the wall against Mexico and that was one of the things that he most proclaimed in his presidential campaign at that time.

The biggest issue here would be who the republican candidate will be. I keep saying that Trump would have a very hard time winning, but USA would face 4 years of Biden as well, which would be not so great for Biden, a sad fact for USA. It is a shame for the choices to be these old idiots, but at the very least one will win. However, if DeSantis gets the nomination? Lets see how it will be when it gets closer.

The fact that republicans lost the senate says a lot, and definitely caused a lot of trouble for them, and even though the house is still theirs, which is an achievement, it is not even by that much of a large margin neither. So, it is definitely a tough spot. Look at how they treated their own speaker, and you will see why it is tough.

I personally believe there is no way the democrat party allows Biden to run again and DeSantis is waiting for an opportunity for him to announce his run for the presidency, however he may feel intimidated enough by Trump that he may try to go for the position once Trump becomes politically irrelevant.

The Democrat candidate will likely be a surprise, just like Obama was, back in the day.
If Biden somehow gets his nomination, I would not bet on him.

Well, personally, I feel sorry for Biden, because he wants to keep everything in peace, he has taken certain steps using what he has at his disposal, so if I see that they were at fault it was allowing the war that is taking place. brewing with Russia and Ukraine, but it hurts because many innocent lives have been lost, children, that represents the future, we don't know how many children, how many promises of possible doctors, engineers, nurses, and countless children who represented the future in this nation and in the world, this is what should be taken into consideration, but in general terms it is very difficult for a president of the USA not to be involved in the management of a war or similar, what I really do not want is for him to grab Trump again for how radical he is, and at this point in life, anyone of that kind is capable of quickly generating a stronger warfare.

[alegotardo]

The biggest issue here would be who the republican candidate will be. I keep saying that Trump would have a very hard time winning, but USA would face 4 years of Biden as well, which would be not so great for Biden, a sad fact for USA. It is a shame for the choices to be these old idiots, but at the very least one will win. However, if DeSantis gets the nomination? Lets see how it will be when it gets closer.

In fact, but I still believe Trump is the overwhelming favorite to win the 2024 Republican presidential nomination, even though DeSantis is rising in national profile, he is unlikely to catch up with Trump

According to the latest poll taken by the Harvard CAPS-Harris Poll and released by The Hill, 48% of Republican voters said they would support Trump for the nomination, while only 28% would support DeSantis. He's up a mere 3 points, still a long way from catching up with Trump.
Trump definitely managed to maintain his popularity, although DeSantis' strength is well recognized, he is far from representing any risk to Trump's candidacy.

Does anyone here know of any site that accepts bets on these preliminary injunctions?

[Sithara007]

In fact, but I still believe Trump is the overwhelming favorite to win the 2024 Republican presidential nomination, even though DeSantis is rising in national profile, he is unlikely to catch up with Trump

According to the latest poll taken by the Harvard CAPS-Harris Poll and released by The Hill, 48% of Republican voters said they would support Trump for the nomination, while only 28% would support DeSantis. He's up a mere 3 points, still a long way from catching up with Trump.
Trump definitely managed to maintain his popularity, although DeSantis' strength is well recognized, he is far from representing any risk to Trump's candidacy.

Does anyone here know of any site that accepts bets on these preliminary injunctions?

Those numbers look quite different from the polls which I have seen. There was a poll from Cygnal, which put Ron DeSantis 5 points away from Donald Trump. You can find the details here:

https://www.cygn.al/poll-midterm-shakeup-desantis-within-5-percent-of-trump/

And in the coming months, I expect DeSantis to close the gap with Trump. He may win the support from other potential nominees such as Pence, Cruz, Rubio and Ryan and may become the consensus candidate for the anti-Trump camp. At this point, it would be safe to say that the Republican nominee for 2024 will be one out of these two - Donald Trump or Ron DeSantis.

[Die_empty]

I personally believe there is no way the democrat party allows Biden to run again and DeSantis is waiting for an opportunity for him to announce his run for the presidency, however, he may feel intimidated enough by Trump that he may try to go for the position once Trump becomes politically irrelevant.

The Democrat candidate will likely be a surprise, just like Obama was, back in the day.
If Biden somehow gets his nomination, I would not bet on him.

I think Biden performed well economically but he failed to handle the issue of migration. He is also seen as a weak and his age is also affecting his performance but for now he is the best candidate for the democratic except a generally acceptable candidate emerges. But if  Ron Desantis emerges as the candidate of the Republican, there is the possibility of the Republicans winning the elections. But Donald Trump is already attacking the young Florida governor. The former president stated that he made Ron the governor of Florida and that it will be a betrayal if the young politicians attempt to stand elections against him. I will bet on Ron Desantis if he gets the GOP nomination.

[Hispo]

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I think Biden performed well economically but he failed to handle the issue of migration. He is also seen as a weak and his age is also affecting his performance but for now he is the best candidate for the democratic except a generally acceptable candidate emerges. But if  Ron Desantis emerges as the candidate of the Republican, there is the possibility of the Republicans winning the elections. But Donald Trump is already attacking the young Florida governor. The former president stated that he made Ron the governor of Florida and that it will be a betrayal if the young politicians attempt to stand elections against him. I will bet on Ron Desantis if he gets the GOP nomination.

It seems that Biden in general does not want to address the issues related to immigration that the Republican party mentions so regularly. Not idea why, though.  I would say he does not want to give the image of a harsh person against inmigrants.

De Santis would have my bets if he faces Biden.

If somehow the Republican Senator George Santos lies and convinces the Country he is a American born citizen, I would certainly bet on him for the presidency  

[ChiBitCTy]

Ugh, a bunch of politicians who sucks at their jobs and are dividing our country (the United States) like crazy.  As an independent I don't like any of the candidates, and that will make it difficult to bet on I think.  When it was Hilary Clinton versus Donald Trump I was absolutely positive that Hilary was going to win and put some bitcoin down on a bet, and as we all know that didn't happen.  So I'm not sure I'll be betting this race.  Just depends I suppose.

[Sithara007]

I think Biden performed well economically but he failed to handle the issue of migration. He is also seen as a weak and his age is also affecting his performance but for now he is the best candidate for the democratic except a generally acceptable candidate emerges. But if  Ron Desantis emerges as the candidate of the Republican, there is the possibility of the Republicans winning the elections. But Donald Trump is already attacking the young Florida governor. The former president stated that he made Ron the governor of Florida and that it will be a betrayal if the young politicians attempt to stand elections against him. I will bet on Ron Desantis if he gets the GOP nomination.

LOL.. I disagree.

Biden completely failed with his economic policies. The first thing that he did after getting elected was to cancel the Keystone XL pipeline and to ban fracking in federal lands. This resulted in crude oil prices rallying from levels of $40 per barrel to almost $120 per barrel. Inflation in the US is now close to double digits and almost twice as high as it was during the Trump era. Federal debt has ballooned to record levels. As far as I am concerned, Biden has been a complete failure in almost all the sectors. Even his COVID handling was pathetic.

[savetheFORUM]

I believe that the odds for Kamala are fair. Her political views are extreme and she is considered my many as "unelectable". Although odds for other democrat candidates such as Pete Buttigieg and Raphael Warnock are currently not that favorable, as the primaries near these candidates may gain enough traction to overtake Kamala. The current odds (7.50) looks reasonable for me. And these odds are for winning the 2024 POTUS elections and not for winning the Democrat primaries. Kamala, in case she wins the primary, has approximately 30% chance of becoming the POTUS. On the other hand, Buttigieg has a 70% chance, in case he wins the primaries.

We love to imagine USA as this improved and developed nation with high regard of freedom. But in reality, they are lacking that so much, they are a backwards nation, which means a female that is coloured would be pretty difficult to hit. Hell they preferred Trump over a women, although that woman was Hillary Cliton so I do not really blame them.

Long story short, Kamala would lose if she was the candidate, because she is a woman, and she is a person of colour, and it is greatly obvious that USA doesn't like that in bulk. Maybe it would be possible if she got the votes of millions of women who didn't voted, but that is a tough task and would require a lot of hard work on campaign.

[alegotardo]

Ugh, a bunch of politicians who sucks at their jobs and are dividing our country (the United States) like crazy.  As an independent I don't like any of the candidates, and that will make it difficult to bet on I think.  When it was Hilary Clinton versus Donald Trump I was absolutely positive that Hilary was going to win and put some bitcoin down on a bet, and as we all know that didn't happen.  So I'm not sure I'll be betting this race.  Just depends I suppose.

The disputes for the presidency of the United States of America have always had this history of being very accentuated and with great division among the population.
This is really not a good thing for a country, because the more divided it is, the greater the people's "temperamental" problems.

In a scenario that proves to be more favorable to a given candidate, the minority is already beginning to accept defeat before the elections, and when it arrives, spirits are more stable.
However, when there is a very fierce clash, the surprise is left for the last few moments and a large part of the population cannot accept defeat or it takes a long time to process it.

In the last US elections we saw vandalism, recently in Brazil, which also had a very close election (50.9% x 49.10%) there was also unprecedented depredation in the capital.

We hope that the upcoming US elections will be an example to the world and not another disappointment with scenes of vandalism.

[uneng]

Ugh, a bunch of politicians who sucks at their jobs and are dividing our country (the United States) like crazy.  As an independent I don't like any of the candidates, and that will make it difficult to bet on I think.  When it was Hilary Clinton versus Donald Trump I was absolutely positive that Hilary was going to win and put some bitcoin down on a bet, and as we all know that didn't happen.  So I'm not sure I'll be betting this race.  Just depends I suppose.

The disputes for the presidency of the United States of America have always had this history of being very accentuated and with great division among the population.
This is really not a good thing for a country, because the more divided it is, the greater the people's "temperamental" problems.

In a scenario that proves to be more favorable to a given candidate, the minority is already beginning to accept defeat before the elections, and when it arrives, spirits are more stable.
However, when there is a very fierce clash, the surprise is left for the last few moments and a large part of the population cannot accept defeat or it takes a long time to process it.

In the last US elections we saw vandalism, recently in Brazil, which also had a very close election (50.9% x 49.10%) there was also unprecedented depredation in the capital.

We hope that the upcoming US elections will be an example to the world and not another disappointment with scenes of vandalism.

It doesn't seem like the polarization is going to cease soon. The political scenario turns around Trump and any sockpuppet the democrat party brings to the competition. The country is between two agendas, which are the same since 2016. People don't wake up from this mass hysteria political has become and are completely manipulated by any fake and conspiratorial news posted on social medias, making it impossible any kind of logical and reasonable debate around ideas and proposals.

For betting reasons that is pretty good, though, because the results are completely unpredictable and odds balanced in every directions.

[Sithara007]

We love to imagine USA as this improved and developed nation with high regard of freedom. But in reality, they are lacking that so much, they are a backwards nation, which means a female that is coloured would be pretty difficult to hit. Hell they preferred Trump over a women, although that woman was Hillary Cliton so I do not really blame them.

Long story short, Kamala would lose if she was the candidate, because she is a woman, and she is a person of colour, and it is greatly obvious that USA doesn't like that in bulk. Maybe it would be possible if she got the votes of millions of women who didn't voted, but that is a tough task and would require a lot of hard work on campaign.

This is the most ridiculous excuse that I have ever heard regarding the POTUS election. Kamala is unelectable not because of her color or gender. She is unelectable because of her extreme-leftist views. Her gender and color actually helps her in the election, as the opponents are scared of attacking her due to the fear of being branded as racist or patriarchist. The same with Hillary as well. I would rate Hillary as one of the most corrupt politicians in the United States. She couldn't even win the primaries and had resorted to rigging the election in the end, in order to defeat Sanders.

There are female democrats of color, who are electable. I am talking about moderates such as Nikema Williams and Mary Peltola. But these members are considered as too low in the picking order to have a chance at POTUS. And if the Americans were that racist, they would have never elected Barack Obama as the POTUS (and that too two times).

[RealMalatesta]

This is the most ridiculous excuse that I have ever heard regarding the POTUS election. Kamala is unelectable not because of her color or gender. She is unelectable because of her extreme-leftist views. Her gender and color actually helps her in the election, as the opponents are scared of attacking her due to the fear of being branded as racist or patriarchist. The same with Hillary as well. I would rate Hillary as one of the most corrupt politicians in the United States. She couldn't even win the primaries and had resorted to rigging the election in the end, in order to defeat Sanders.

There are female democrats of color, who are electable. I am talking about moderates such as Nikema Williams and Mary Peltola. But these members are considered as too low in the picking order to have a chance at POTUS. And if the Americans were that racist, they would have never elected Barack Obama as the POTUS (and that too two times).

Hillary wasn't extreme leftist, and she was still considered unfit to rule, and Kamala is extreme leftist and she is considered unfit to rule, are we entirely sure this is about their ideas and not about the fact that they are women?

I am pretty sure that no matter who you find, it will always look like there is a reason for them to be unfit to rule. On top of that, Kamala doesn't even have extreme leftist ideas, AOC even doesn't have it, nobody in the USA has "extreme leftist" ideas, the most extreme leftist person in the USA was Bernie Sanders, and he got closer to being elected than any other women that has ever tried before. Hence, we can say that you could be a literal self proclaimed socialist, and if you are a man, you could get close to being elected.

[STT]

In fact, but I still believe Trump is the overwhelming favorite to win the 2024 Republican presidential nomination,

Thats the reason not to bet him ironically, he is too well known vs his actual prospects in the race.    Trump might also be motivated to run purely for the side benefits it gives of some immunity to prosecution or just general harassment from his former political 'colleagues' .  Im not convinced he actually wants to do another term at this pace as again like Bernie he is not getting any younger and its a full job entirely occupying every waking moment.  If I was a billionaire, I'd have a hundred different things more interesting then constant criticism in politics and he already holds the gravitas for life as a president in office or not.