Showdown: Trump Vs Haley. Bitcoin betting on the 2024 US Presidential Election

[safari88]

It's nice that it's possible to gamble on the elections again. But from last time I can remember that it was quite a hassle, because there were problems with the voting round and the final result was not yet final. Back then you could still bet on the result while the ballot papers were already being counted? I can't remember the name of the bookmaker. But seriously, should someone of Biden's age still be allowed to fly the lance? That cannot be justified.

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[Slow death]

One thing Trump could do that others wouldn't is to quit ties with NATO. As he alreasy haa threaten to do so. This could lead to full blown war with Europe and Russia that would spread like a wild fire towards ww3. I am not even kidding, i know people like to use ww3 as a cliche scare tactic, but this war would in a whole different scale, like something we haven't ever seen before.

I am not sure if his voters care as lot's of them wouldn't understand that it would very much affect them.

However i can't see this affecting betting ratios.

I don't think that Trump supports the dissolution of NATO. What he wants is more contribution from the EU nations. US spends close to $600 billion every year on defense purposes, while the military budget of nations such as Germany and England remains as a small percentage if their national GDP. Trump wants the EU nations to contribute in terms of funds, equipment and manpower. And I don't think that there is anything wrong in what he says. Why should the US subsidize the national defense of EU nations? Doesn't make any sense.

Donald Trump is a person who chooses to be very capitalist, and every capitalist likes to be in control and leave power to those who are convenient for themselves, at the political level we know very well that it is convenient for those who leave everything in the hands of NATO's power belongs to the USA, because it is convenient for them to have allies and that gives that nation much more power, on the other hand, it is convenient for Russia to leave everything behind because a grand coalition would put them in trouble, then it would The only thing I see here is that Trump comes in to advocate for Russia, but I don't know if this would bring more economic problems, Europe and the USA would recover, but countries that are selling oil, it would be quite a strong thing, the market would be eliminated.

if trump wants to win the next elections he needs to change his stance on many issues, for example in relation to the ukraine war, he needs to take a strong position favorable to ukraine, but from what i see he is more on the russian side, and that will do though he is not well regarded by the international community and many people, including Americans, he must also abandon his radical ideas about immigrants, if he doesn't change on certain points, he will not win these elections, some Democrat will win again. It's true that in Trump's times you didn't see much of the US getting involved in wars beyond which they were already involved and even with Biden the US is not directly sending soldiers to Ukraine they only support military equipment, if it were 10 years with former presidents would already be seeing OTAN getting directly involved in this conflict

[Sithara007]

It's nice that it's possible to gamble on the elections again. But from last time I can remember that it was quite a hassle, because there were problems with the voting round and the final result was not yet final. Back then you could still bet on the result while the ballot papers were already being counted? I can't remember the name of the bookmaker. But seriously, should someone of Biden's age still be allowed to fly the lance? That cannot be justified.

In the United States, the election system is very shitty. Here in India, we have more than a billion voters and the election results will be out in a few hours after the counting starts. But in the US, there is chance of voter fraud through absentee and early voting and in some cases the result won't be finalized one month after the elections. And I remember the 2008 United States Senate election in Minnesota. When the counting completed, Coleman of GOP was ahead by a few thousand votes. But then Democrats suddenly discovered ballots from waste bins, toilets and all sort of places, all marked for Franken. In the end Franken "won" by a margin of 300 or so votes.

[Timelord2067]

Something similar happened in Western Australia a decade ago where cartons of ballot papers for the senate were uncovered after voting concluded.

In the end the election was reheld a couple of months later.

[Sithara007]

Something similar happened in Western Australia a decade ago where cartons of ballot papers for the senate were uncovered after voting concluded.

In the end the election was reheld a couple of months later.

Nowadays voter fraud is more common in the developed world, when compared to the developing countries. US is the prime example, although others are not far behind. I still don't understand why many of the developing countries don't use electronic voting machines (EVM). They can't be manipulated, and the results can be known in quick time. But for some unknown reason, a number of politicians are against using the EVMs. And in the US they have further complicated the system by adding in mail-in ballots and absentee votes, which are highly susceptible to fraud.

[Agbe]

Though the thread was created since January 2021 but betting can be predicted at anytime. Some people are saying that it was too early to predict but I will say, it is not too early to predict. You predict what you know that will happen in the particular event. Biden won the election because the election was not free and fair. And now that Trump is still coming to the presidential race in USA, I believed this time, Trump will win the election. That is my prediction. Trump is more sound than Biden by far both in health wise and smartness.

[Pierre 2]

I think Biden's career will be determined with his performance through current global crisis we are experiencing. Especially issues with Russia caused inflation anywhere in world. If Biden can somehow convince Russia to establish peace I think he will very likely win. Otherwise I am not sure, is Trump still popular in USA? I feel like his loss wasn't cool for him at all. That kind of politicians generally lose momentum when they lose once.

[SquallLeonhart]

Something similar happened in Western Australia a decade ago where cartons of ballot papers for the senate were uncovered after voting concluded.

In the end the election was reheld a couple of months later.

Nowadays voter fraud is more common in the developed world, when compared to the developing countries. US is the prime example, although others are not far behind. I still don't understand why many of the developing countries don't use electronic voting machines (EVM). They can't be manipulated, and the results can be known in quick time. But for some unknown reason, a number of politicians are against using the EVMs. And in the US they have further complicated the system by adding in mail-in ballots and absentee votes, which are highly susceptible to fraud.

While being talked about as "fraud" by republicans, it has to be noted that there has not been found any fraud going on at all with any of that. Voting is as legit as it gets and the last time we had elections in 2020 it was 4 fraud attempts if I am not wrong, all came from republicans funny enough. So, I am sorry but there is nothing wrong with voting.

One thing is for sure, when people vote a lot, democrats win and that has been true for 30+ years which means we need a reason to go out and vote. Last time, people voted because they wanted to vote against Trump, if republicans nominate Trump again, they will lose again, but considering how terrible Biden is, if republicans show another person, someone even just a little decent, then they will for sure win.

[Hispo]

I think Biden's career will be determined with his performance through current global crisis we are experiencing. Especially issues with Russia caused inflation anywhere in world. If Biden can somehow convince Russia to establish peace I think he will very likely win. Otherwise I am not sure, is Trump still popular in USA? I feel like his loss wasn't cool for him at all. That kind of politicians generally lose momentum when they lose once.

Trump unlike their Republican predecessors, never admitted his defeat and he still have power over the both the republican party and the base.
I also believe it is very unlikely Biden will negotiate with Russia and Russia would only negotiate so the Kremlin can get legitimacy to their annexed territories, something I don't see Biden doing.

I believe Biden will be worn out politically and physically by the end of his first term, I would not bet on his victory if he ends up being the Democrat candidate.

[Sithara007]

Trump unlike their Republican predecessors, never admitted his defeat and he still have power over the both the republican party and the base.
I also believe it is very unlikely Biden will negotiate with Russia and Russia would only negotiate so the Kremlin can get legitimacy to their annexed territories, something I don't see Biden doing.

I believe Biden will be worn out politically and physically by the end of his first term, I would not bet on his victory if he ends up being the Democrat candidate.

Right now the single-most impediment to a Republican win in 2024 is neither Biden not Harris or anyone else. It is Donald Trump. On one hand he is driving away independent voters and women from the Republican party, and on the other hand he is sabotaging the chances of moderate republicans in swing states. If it is Biden vs DeSantis, or Harris vs DeSantis in 2024, then I am sure that Republicans will win the POTUS elections. But it needs to be seen whether Trump will allow that to happen. Most of the polls show DeSantis trailing behind Trump for GOP nomination.

[Hispo]

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Right now the single-most impediment to a Republican win in 2024 is neither Biden not Harris or anyone else. It is Donald Trump. On one hand he is driving away independent voters and women from the Republican party, and on the other hand he is sabotaging the chances of moderate republicans in swing states. If it is Biden vs DeSantis, or Harris vs DeSantis in 2024, then I am sure that Republicans will win the POTUS elections. But it needs to be seen whether Trump will allow that to happen. Most of the polls show DeSantis trailing behind Trump for GOP nomination.

We are talking about Biden, Trump, Harris, etc. But we are also ignoring the surprise candidates who could suddenly appear and take over the parties candidatures, I think Obama did so back during his first presidential campaign. I would expect to see some young candidate appearing out of nowhere and start gaining traction within the democrat party. It would be something which could put everyone's bets in disarray.

Also, the fact the Republican Party isn't calling out Trump for his latest behavior just shows they still fear a big come back and takeover.

[Sithara007]

We are talking about Biden, Trump, Harris, etc. But we are also ignoring the surprise candidates who could suddenly appear and take over the parties candidatures, I think Obama did so back during his first presidential campaign. I would expect to see some young candidate appearing out of nowhere and start gaining traction within the democrat party. It would be something which could put everyone's bets in disarray.

Also, the fact the Republican Party isn't calling out Trump for his latest behavior just shows they still fear a big come back and takeover.

Yes.. we can't actually discount that possibility. There is a good chance that some surprise candidate may popup. Trump himself surprised everyone in 2016, when he announced his candidacy and then gained a lot of momentum in short time. And back in 2020, it was Michael Bloomberg and Pete Buttigieg who surprised everyone during the Democrat primaries. And we don't know what will happen in 2024. Trump is more like a headache for the Republicans. They need to find a way to deal with him. As of now, Trump is more of an issue for the Republicans when compared to Democrats.

[wiss19]

Trump unlike their Republican predecessors, never admitted his defeat and he still have power over the both the republican party and the base.
I also believe it is very unlikely Biden will negotiate with Russia and Russia would only negotiate so the Kremlin can get legitimacy to their annexed territories, something I don't see Biden doing.

I believe Biden will be worn out politically and physically by the end of his first term, I would not bet on his victory if he ends up being the Democrat candidate.

Right now the single-most impediment to a Republican win in 2024 is neither Biden not Harris or anyone else. It is Donald Trump. On one hand he is driving away independent voters and women from the Republican party, and on the other hand he is sabotaging the chances of moderate republicans in swing states. If it is Biden vs DeSantis, or Harris vs DeSantis in 2024, then I am sure that Republicans will win the POTUS elections. But it needs to be seen whether Trump will allow that to happen. Most of the polls show DeSantis trailing behind Trump for GOP nomination.

This is by far the best outcome we could guess, however we should not limit the alternatives to DeSantis alone. I mean Republican party has been missing a "leader" figure for a long time now, a guy they could rally behind, a guy that would take the party from far right to middle grounds again and get all those women and independent votes.

Look at last time, Trump got the highest votes out of any other person in history aside from Biden who he was competing, so it's not just scaring of voters for him, he doesn't do that, but it is about him making the other side vote even harder. They need someone that can not only get votes but also doesn't insist fear into public enough to make the opponent highest voted person ever.

[gunhell16]

Something similar happened in Western Australia a decade ago where cartons of ballot papers for the senate were uncovered after voting concluded.

In the end the election was reheld a couple of months later.

I thought that only in our country do these cheating scenarios happen every time the election is held. Even in other countries, it's different when greed gets into the desired position.

Because I remembered that here in our country, the same thing happened, after the election, the cheater was already sitting but later there were found ballot boxes were piled up in a river and of course, the paper ballots were broken. But it's a good thing now and that's not the case anymore, the election is now clean and orderly here this year.

[Sithara007]

This is by far the best outcome we could guess, however we should not limit the alternatives to DeSantis alone. I mean Republican party has been missing a "leader" figure for a long time now, a guy they could rally behind, a guy that would take the party from far right to middle grounds again and get all those women and independent votes.

Look at last time, Trump got the highest votes out of any other person in history aside from Biden who he was competing, so it's not just scaring of voters for him, he doesn't do that, but it is about him making the other side vote even harder. They need someone that can not only get votes but also doesn't insist fear into public enough to make the opponent highest voted person ever.

I am not denying the fact that Donald Trump has got massive support behind him. And at this point, he is the most popular Republican politician in the United States. But the problem is that he is a very polarizing figure and there is a net loss of votes to the GOP because of him. His support base is mostly in the deep red states, where the outcome is already clear. Trump doesn't have the ability to win swing states such as Georgia, Pennsylvania and New Hampshire. Only someone like Ron Desantis has that ability. Let DeSantis be the GOP nominee for 2024. In order to pacify Trump, they can have Ivanka as the VP candidate.

[babygun]

I think Biden's career will be determined with his performance through current global crisis we are experiencing. Especially issues with Russia caused inflation anywhere in world. If Biden can somehow convince Russia to establish peace I think he will very likely win. Otherwise I am not sure, is Trump still popular in USA? I feel like his loss wasn't cool for him at all. That kind of politicians generally lose momentum when they lose once.

I sometimes work in the US (Georgia) and from I can tell, Trump is still quite popular and many still believe the previous elections were rigged. But honestly, I don't think that Biden will get re-elected again, he is already very old (80 years) and has some big problems to tackle that are far from easy (very high inflation, ...).

[tygeade]

We are talking about Biden, Trump, Harris, etc. But we are also ignoring the surprise candidates who could suddenly appear and take over the parties candidatures, I think Obama did so back during his first presidential campaign. I would expect to see some young candidate appearing out of nowhere and start gaining traction within the democrat party. It would be something which could put everyone's bets in disarray.

Also, the fact the Republican Party isn't calling out Trump for his latest behavior just shows they still fear a big come back and takeover.

Yes.. we can't actually discount that possibility. There is a good chance that some surprise candidate may popup. Trump himself surprised everyone in 2016, when he announced his candidacy and then gained a lot of momentum in short time. And back in 2020, it was Michael Bloomberg and Pete Buttigieg who surprised everyone during the Democrat primaries. And we don't know what will happen in 2024. Trump is more like a headache for the Republicans. They need to find a way to deal with him. As of now, Trump is more of an issue for the Republicans when compared to Democrats.

It is quite difficult in this circumstances, that's why it is not talked about all that much. During Obamas first term, he ran against all clean slate opponents. Bush couldn't be elected again, so Republicans had to pick someone that could win, they had to provide a brand new nominee, and same with democrats as well. So both sides had to find a "new" person, and the "first black president" made everyone go out to vote, he got the highest votes out of anyone until Biden did this last time.

So, it is clear that we are talking about a bit of an advantage there. Now? We may have 2 presidents running for re-election, it's hard to crack that.

[SquallLeonhart]

I am not denying the fact that Donald Trump has got massive support behind him. And at this point, he is the most popular Republican politician in the United States. But the problem is that he is a very polarizing figure and there is a net loss of votes to the GOP because of him. His support base is mostly in the deep red states, where the outcome is already clear. Trump doesn't have the ability to win swing states such as Georgia, Pennsylvania and New Hampshire. Only someone like Ron Desantis has that ability. Let DeSantis be the GOP nominee for 2024. In order to pacify Trump, they can have Ivanka as the VP candidate.

Lol, ivanka as VP would be the best case of Nepotism, and I mean USA had some huge cases of it as well, and even in that reality, this wouldn't happen.

DeSantis would 100% be better at swing states, but Republicans just gave 4 years to a figure that polarized the whole nation, it's not going to be so simple to just hope for anyone to come out and clean all of that dirty air. They "lost" the midterms, the senate is now democratic, and maybe they did better at house but worse than expected there as well. Why? Why would they be worse at congress? I mean it's not trump nominated there?

It's a proof that people just hate republicans a lot more and go out to vote democrat on anything possible because they hated trump so much that anyone who has R next to their name looks like not just opponent, or option, but like an enemy to them.

[LUCKMCFLY]

We are talking about Biden, Trump, Harris, etc. But we are also ignoring the surprise candidates who could suddenly appear and take over the parties candidatures, I think Obama did so back during his first presidential campaign. I would expect to see some young candidate appearing out of nowhere and start gaining traction within the democrat party. It would be something which could put everyone's bets in disarray.

Also, the fact the Republican Party isn't calling out Trump for his latest behavior just shows they still fear a big come back and takeover.

Yes.. we can't actually discount that possibility. There is a good chance that some surprise candidate may popup. Trump himself surprised everyone in 2016, when he announced his candidacy and then gained a lot of momentum in short time. And back in 2020, it was Michael Bloomberg and Pete Buttigieg who surprised everyone during the Democrat primaries. And we don't know what will happen in 2024. Trump is more like a headache for the Republicans. They need to find a way to deal with him. As of now, Trump is more of an issue for the Republicans when compared to Democrats.

It is quite difficult in this circumstances, that's why it is not talked about all that much. During Obamas first term, he ran against all clean slate opponents. Bush couldn't be elected again, so Republicans had to pick someone that could win, they had to provide a brand new nominee, and same with democrats as well. So both sides had to find a "new" person, and the "first black president" made everyone go out to vote, he got the highest votes out of anyone until Biden did this last time.

So, it is clear that we are talking about a bit of an advantage there. Now? We may have 2 presidents running for re-election, it's hard to crack that.

The truth is that I have always wanted to understand the political reality of the USA, I don't know how the common American looks for a president, for now the biggest problem I have seen is that they need to quickly get out of the exorbitant inflation levels that exist, according to what I have read, I think that they are going to use the strategy of the bonds offered by the banks and by the end of 2024 they can carry them out, however, this can change according to the policies of each president and what he approves or not, but if that is the case, I do not know what option is better, it is known that Trump is a person who is not very well accepted by the majority, but since Biden has done it, I don't know if things have turned out well, it is difficult because we are spectators, nothing better than living there for to know what are the true shortcomings of the country that is considered first world and more developed with much more power.

[Hispo]

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They need to find a way to deal with him. As of now, Trump is more of an issue for the Republicans when compared to Democrats.

That depends whom your ask.
In general, I think the issue with Trump is the fact he had scared away the moderate Republicans and the centrists (those whose vote tend to switch according to the candidate, that explains the performance of the midterms). That is why I would not put money on betting for Trump, unless the democrat candidate turns out to be Joe Biden or Kamala Harris.