[ANN][CLAM] CLAMs, Proof-Of-Chain, Proof-Of-Working-Stake, a.k.a. "Clamcoin"

[SuperClam]

x11 has been added to the kHashier.com multi-pool

Everything looks to be humming along nicely; will check on it again tomorrow!

[tryphe]

Here you go =]

https://github.com/tryphe/clams-importwalletgui

Works for me but needs testing. Most of the code is around line 870 in bitcoingui.cpp if anyone wants to see the actual password handling. It's very short. The password dialog is NOT the one used to encrypt your wallet, so don't get sketched out if it doesn't look identical. Reason being, I didn't want to dig too much code from rpcdump without it being practical(ie. safety checks). In other words, a one liner QInput call replaces what would be like 20+ more lines from rpc.

Please tell me if you find any issues or have any suggestions. I won't hesitate to attempt more features to make it easier to roll the coin out.

Note: This isn't really the most eloquent solution, it's just convenient for now.
**You probably do not want to pull my .qrc file, I removed broken translations that qt-5.2 does not like and stopped me from compiling the master branch.

[almightyruler]

Block 68455 minted 950.2716788

Possibly the largest lottery reward yet?

[dooglus]

Block 68455 minted 950.2716788

Possibly the largest lottery reward yet?

That was me!

According to the bot in the IRC channel, yes:

11:06 < creativecuriosit> &lotto.top5
11:06 < SuperClam> Height  |  Reward
11:06 < SuperClam> -------------------------
11:06 < SuperClam> 68455      950.27157880
11:06 < SuperClam> 54989      773.07535090
11:06 < SuperClam> 37893      704.66066719
11:06 < SuperClam> 54088      580.22232479
11:06 < SuperClam> 38886      571.24572027

That's the only reward I have in the top 5, although my 2nd biggest reward (567.51201935) only just fails to get 5th place.

[garthkiser]

Poloniex has an API to pull candlestick chart data. Here's CLAMS: https://poloniex.com/public?command=returnChartData&currencyPair=BTC_CLAM&start=1405699200&end=9999999999&period=14400

[Thirdspace]

@dooglus
congrats... I guess you're making alot ฿฿ or perhaps $$ out of CLAMs
If I may know, how many of your outputs getting staked everyday?
---

I just got done sync-ing the other altcoin, so I'm planning to focus on this one now
first, can anyone tell me how big is CLAM blockchain?
second, I know I can check beforehand what-could-be-my clam address balance by going to khashier explorer
but is there another way claiming clams other than using wallet.dat
maybe something like converting my btc priv key to clam priv key (if that even possibe) then importing it to the CLAM qt client

[SuperClam]

Block 68455 minted 950.2716788
Possibly the largest lottery reward yet?

That was me!
According to the bot in the IRC channel, yes:

11:06 < creativecuriosit> &lotto.top5
11:06 < SuperClam> Height  |  Reward
11:06 < SuperClam> -------------------------
11:06 < SuperClam> 68455      950.27157880
11:06 < SuperClam> 54989      773.07535090
11:06 < SuperClam> 37893      704.66066719
11:06 < SuperClam> 54088      580.22232479
11:06 < SuperClam> 38886      571.24572027

That's the only reward I have in the top 5, although my 2nd biggest reward (567.51201935) only just fails to get 5th place.

Oh, the envy
We sure could use some more CLAMS for bounties at the donation address *wink wink*

@dooglus
congrats... I guess you're making alot ฿฿ or perhaps $$ out of CLAMs
If I may know, how many of your outputs getting staked everyday?
---
I just got done sync-ing the other altcoin, so I'm planning to focus on this one now
first, can anyone tell me how big is CLAM blockchain?
second, I know I can check beforehand what-could-be-my clam address balance by going to khashier explorer
but is there another way claiming clams other than using wallet.dat
maybe something like converting my btc priv key to clam priv key (if that even possibe) then importing it to the CLAM qt client

That is essentially what the CLAMClient does -> though 'converting' isn't exactly the right word.

We will have a test build floating around, likely later today, with the new in-client GUI import mechanism.
A big thanks to tryphe for the Qt work.

[tryphe]

first, can anyone tell me how big is CLAM blockchain?
second, I know I can check beforehand what-could-be-my clam address balance by going to khashier explorer
but is there another way claiming clams other than using wallet.dat
maybe something like converting my btc priv key to clam priv key (if that even possibe) then importing it to the CLAM qt client

The blockchain takes up around ~230MB of disk space at the current height of 69600 blocks.
I see what you're getting at with having to import a wallet.dat, and that's essentially what's being done. Your wallet keys are basically converted to clam keys on import, and there's virtually no danger here unless your machine is compromised. The once imported data is not stored anywhere in the CLAM client, but that's not to say you shouldn't use multiple btc/ltc/doge wallets (you should). However, there's no way to tell if you own or owned the coin without full key pairs (unless I'm seriously missing something here).

[dooglus]

@dooglus
congrats... I guess you're making alot ฿฿ or perhaps $$ out of CLAMs
If I may know, how many of your outputs getting staked everyday?

I've never sold any CLAMs - so what I'm making out of CLAMs is a lot of CLAMs. lol.

I'll probably hold them until they're worthless, or worth a fortune - same as I do with BTC.

I don't know how to count the number of stakes per day without counting them myself - there are lots.

Here's a screenshot of the most recent stakes to give you an idea of the frequency of staking:



Then nothing staked until 17:21. So I guess about 20 per hour, or around 500 per day. I have a feeling that the screenshot shows an unusually good hour though, so maybe it's half that. But with the lotto wins as well I'm sure the average is higher.

first, can anyone tell me how big is CLAM blockchain?

Here are the sizes of the big things in my .clam/ folder, in Mb:

11   database
69   txleveldb
139   blk0001.dat

so it's pretty tiny - my whole .clam/ folder is 256 Mb in total, and includes 43 backups of my wallet.dat.

second, I know I can check beforehand what-could-be-my clam address balance by going to khashier explorer
but is there another way claiming clams other than using wallet.dat
maybe something like converting my btc priv key to clam priv key (if that even possibe) then importing it to the CLAM qt client

Yes. Your BTC privkey *is* your CLAM privkey; they are the same thing. Just export it from your bitcoin wallet and import it into the CLAM wallet.

[dooglus]

The blockchain takes up around ~230MB of disk space at the current height of 69600 blocks.

I think it's 145 Mb to download. The rest is indexes which your client will create from the 145 Mb it downloads.

Your wallet keys are basically converted to clam keys on import, and there's virtually no danger here unless your machine is compromised. The once imported data is not stored anywhere in the CLAM client, but that's not to say you shouldn't use multiple btc/ltc/doge wallets (you should). However, there's no way to tell if you own or owned the coin without full key pairs (unless I'm seriously missing something here).

I think you have this wrong.

The CLAM client stores your private keys, which are THE SAME as your Bitcoin private keys.

If someone gains access to your CLAM wallet (and the password, if encrypted), then they also have access to the BTC, LTC, or DOGE at the addresses you imported.

It's possible to convert from BTC addresses to CLAM addresses (and back again) without knowing the private keys. I posted a short Python script which does exactly that not long ago. See this post:

It's a small Python script that takes any number of BTC, LTC, DOGE, and CLAM addresses and gives links to the corresponding blockchain explorer pages for the equivalent BTC, LTC, DOGE, and CLAM addresses.

[gjhiggins]

If someone gains access to your CLAM wallet (and the password, if encrypted), then they also have access to the BTC, LTC, or DOGE at the addresses you imported.

A precise identification of the address as the lynchpin. IIRC, the original instructions suggested that, for maximum peace of mind, any balance in a qualifying BTC/LTC/DOGE wallet should be transferred to a newly-created BTC/LTC/DOGE wallet/address and the now-empty qualifying wallet/address used for the CLAM import. I couldn't pick any holes in that but IANAC (C=Cryptographer).

Cheers

Graham

Edit, use a more precise reference

[tryphe]

The blockchain takes up around ~230MB of disk space at the current height of 69600 blocks.

I think it's 145 Mb to download. The rest is indexes which your client will create from the 145 Mb it downloads.

Your wallet keys are basically converted to clam keys on import, and there's virtually no danger here unless your machine is compromised. The once imported data is not stored anywhere in the CLAM client, but that's not to say you shouldn't use multiple btc/ltc/doge wallets (you should). However, there's no way to tell if you own or owned the coin without full key pairs (unless I'm seriously missing something here).

I think you have this wrong.

The CLAM client stores your private keys, which are THE SAME as your Bitcoin private keys.

If someone gains access to your CLAM wallet (and the password, if encrypted), then they also have access to the BTC, LTC, or DOGE at the addresses you imported.

It's possible to convert from BTC addresses to CLAM addresses (and back again) without knowing the private keys. I posted a short Python script which does exactly that not long ago. See this post:

It's a small Python script that takes any number of BTC, LTC, DOGE, and CLAM addresses and gives links to the corresponding blockchain explorer pages for the equivalent BTC, LTC, DOGE, and CLAM addresses.

Thanks for clarifying that.

[SuperClam]

If someone gains access to your CLAM wallet (and the password, if encrypted), then they also have access to the BTC, LTC, or DOGE at the addresses you imported.

A precise identification of the address as the lynchpin. IIRC, the original instructions suggested that, for maximum peace of mind, any balance in a qualifying BTC/LTC/DOGE wallet should be transferred to a newly-created BTC/LTC/DOGE wallet/address and the now-empty qualifying wallet/address used for the CLAM import. I couldn't pick any holes in that but IANAC (C=Cryptographer).
Cheers
Graham
Edit, use a more precise reference

Re: dooglus,
All accurate information, as usual


Re: gjhiggins.
For users who are particularly concerned, the process you outlined remains possible and recommended.

[istvandv]

I've never sold any CLAMs - so what I'm making out of CLAMs is a lot of CLAMs. lol.

I'll probably hold them until they're worthless, or worth a fortune - same as I do with BTC.

Then nothing staked until 17:21. So I guess about 20 per hour, or around 500 per day. I have a feeling that the screenshot shows an unusually good hour though, so maybe it's half that. But with the lotto wins as well I'm sure the average is higher.

congratulation on the lottery win, at least we know for sure that those 900+ clams wont be dumped

even without the lottery win with ~500 stakes a day thats 50 clams a day, awesome

im currently only at 1 stake a day and still waiting for that lottery so i can increase my daily number of stakes  

[almightyruler]

even without the lottery win with ~500 stakes a day thats 50 clams a day, awesome

im currently only at 1 stake a day and still waiting for that lottery so i can increase my daily number of stakes  

That's the downside with this form of PoS... your chance of winning grows exponentially as you stake and your balance grows, thus giving you more staking power. The more you win, the more you CAN win.

[undergroundgeek]

Is nobody else concerned with the price these days? Noticed someone cleared out a bunch of the buy orders.

[SuperClam]

even without the lottery win with ~500 stakes a day thats 50 clams a day, awesome
im currently only at 1 stake a day and still waiting for that lottery so i can increase my daily number of stakes  

That's the downside with this form of PoS... your chance of winning grows exponentially as you stake and your balance grows, thus giving you more staking power. The more you win, the more you CAN win.

I don't agree, entirely.
Do more CLAMS == more stakes? Yes, same as plain-ole' Proof-Of-Stake.

The primary difference, imho, is that with Proof-Of-Pearl this effect is less significant than with conventional Proof-Of-Stake.

With conventional proof-of-stake, not only does more more coins = more stakes (and additional compound interest); but the amount of the reward itself is based on the size of the pile.

At least with proof-of-pearl the reward per block is not greater for those with more coins.


Regardless, fairness is a primary concept for CLAMS.
C. L. A(equitas). M.

There are some great ideas being bandied about to level the playing field even more-so, while still preserving what is justifiably a greater return for a greater investment.

More importantly, we are always listening to ideas; stop by #clams @ irc

[dooglus]

I recently made a huge mistake with my CLAM wallet which resulted in ~70% of my old CLAM outputs getting merged together into large new outputs.

So my ability to stake has been hugely reduced.

Oops!

[Thirdspace]

thanks @SuperClam @tryphe @dooglus for answering my questions promptly
and as I understand it if we do it via wallet.dat, we need to do the --salvagewallet option
so if we do the importprivkey [btcprivkey] on the CLAM client, do we need to do something else
what should I expect to happen? I haven't downloaded the client, so I cannot try it myself

It's possible to convert from BTC addresses to CLAM addresses (and back again) without knowing the private keys. I posted a short Python script which does exactly that not long ago. See this post:

It's a small Python script that takes any number of BTC, LTC, DOGE, and CLAM addresses and gives links to the corresponding blockchain explorer pages for the equivalent BTC, LTC, DOGE, and CLAM addresses.

I have no way to try that script out but isnt doing a search on khashier give me the same result?
btw I couldn't open khashier blockchain for some unknown reason occasionally, anyone experiencing it too?
anyway, what I do was:
go to http://khashier.com:2750/ and enter my btc address there
on the result page I clicked on the first link with btc address on it
then it brings up another page with a CLAM balance and a link to its CLAM address
am I wrong assuming this CLAM address corresponding to my btc priv key? 

Then nothing staked until 17:21. So I guess about 20 per hour, or around 500 per day. I have a feeling that the screenshot shows an unusually good hour though, so maybe it's half that. But with the lotto wins as well I'm sure the average is higher.

woooowww 500/day is equal min 50 CLAMs
and sorry for your recent mishap, but that would be just a minor setback
just need to split them up and wait another 8 hours to mature, right?

Yes. Your BTC privkey *is* your CLAM privkey; they are the same thing. Just export it from your bitcoin wallet and import it into the CLAM wallet.

meaning it is the only way to claim ownership of my CLAM address and not the actual priv key of that CLAM address, right?
because if I were to dumpprivkey that CLAM addr, the priv key would be completely different from the btc priv key I entered, right?
ok this is becoming too long for a simple post... I will try to join the irc see if I can learn more over there

[dooglus]

if we do the importprivkey [btcprivkey] on the CLAM client, do we need to do something else
what should I expect to happen?

Depending on whether you tell it to rescan or not, it will add the private key, and either rescan (taking a few minutes) or not.

If you have several to add, you should tell it not to rescan on all but the last import, to save time.

Then you'll see the CLAMs in your wallet

I have no way to try that script out but isnt doing a search on khashier give me the same result?
btw I couldn't open khashier blockchain for some unknown reason occasionally, anyone experiencing it too?
anyway, what I do was:
go to http://khashier.com:2750/ and enter my btc address there
on the result page I clicked on the first link with btc address on it
then it brings up another page with a CLAM balance and a link to its CLAM address
am I wrong assuming this CLAM address corresponding to my btc priv key? 

I never tried giving khashier a BTC address, so I'm not sure what it does with them.

and sorry for your recent mishap, but that would be just a minor setback
just need to split them up and wait another 8 hours to mature, right?

Yeah. I'm back in business.

meaning it is the only way to claim ownership of my CLAM address and not the actual priv key of that CLAM address, right?
because if I were to dumpprivkey that CLAM addr, the priv key would be completely different from the btc priv key I entered, right?

No, your CLAM privkey is the same as your BTC privkey. The public keys are the same too. The addresses are only different because of the byte added at the start to make BTC addresses start with a '1' and CLAM addresses with an 'x'.

If you dumpprivkey you'll get the same from the BTC wallet as from the CLAM one if you use addresses which correspond to each other.