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July 21, 2015, 12:15:01 PM
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Yes, Monero is considered by many legendary/hero members to be the next step in crypto.  No other coin even comes close.

citation needed?


https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=583449.msg8737736#msg8737736


thanks for the link.

I have to main points about it, firstly I don't know how thread ranks distribution is correlated to users opinion about the thread itself.

Secondly, even if we get some way to say that a particular ranks distribution means a general approval for the thread among hero/legendary users, going from this to say that "Monero is considered by many legendary/hero members to be the next step in crypto" is quite a big jump, isn't it?

Your request for citation was reasonable.

Gainsaying and nit-picking at the requested citation, upon it it being graciously provided, is not reasonable.

Nobody is stopping you from investigating "how thread ranks distribution is correlated to users opinion about the thread itself."

RTFA.  Stop moving the goal posts because you don't like the fact my assertion has a reasonable basis, demonstrated with empirical data.

I'll save you the trouble.  The Hero/Legendary posts in the XMR thread are positive and supportive, while the ones in the other threads are significantly less so.

Notice the number of hero and legendary members? Darkcoin has 57 (2.23%) hero and 9 (0.35%) legendary versus Monero with 56 (3.94%) hero and 12 (0.85%) legendary. Percent wise monero has attracted more than twice legendary members and almost twice hero members.

In other words, it seems oldtimers gravitate towards monero/cryptonote and ignore darkcoin.

Sorry but posts frequency don't say anything about the opinions of thread's participants.

TheKoziTwo's chosen the right word: gravitate.

Mind you even JorgeStolfi gravitates a lot towards Btctalk "Speculation" section with more than 4K posts, but this does not mean that he's a bull... on the contrary.

I'm not moving the goal posts I'm just saying that posts frequency by hero/legendary members can't say anything about the contents of such posts.

As you already acknowledged to estimate if those hero/legendary users support the thread you need to perform a qualitative analysis, I.e. you have to read those posts.

That said if you're interested in my opinion I wouldn't touch DRK with a ten foot pole, and as I've already said, a mix of due diligence and gut feeling, ascribe myself among the group of people that have a quantity > O of XMR in their crypto currencies portfolio.

I've read the posts, and so can you.  I also wrote many of them, as I was participating in the thread.

Yes, Monero is considered by many legendary/hero members to be the next step in crypto.  No other coin even comes close.

so we agree on the fact that posts freq are useless to validate the affirmation at hand, whilst a qualitative measures (i.e. read the posts) is needed. fair.

Bitcoin is a participatory system which ought to respect the right of self determinism of all of its users - Gregory Maxwell.
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July 21, 2015, 03:16:56 PM
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$DJI continuing the process of catching down to the $DJT:

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July 21, 2015, 03:32:55 PM
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How would the block be accepted by nodes and other miners if the block was validated using different policies than the attacking miner? IE the size policy would invalidate that block on the rest of the nodes.

Isn't that the point? To introduce extra validation that eventually all the nodes will use (once super-majority threshold reached).
Why cant they simply be discarded because they are too big? No sig checks.

The threat block is not "too big", it gets validated.

We are discussing one of the implications of an increased block size, and noticing one of the issues that may be compounded by the prospects of larger blocks being valid.
Ahh I see makes sense in that case.
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July 21, 2015, 03:37:37 PM
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ah, iCE coming to his senses.  thank you.

tvbcof, otoh, still a flaming idiot troll little dog:

https://people.xiph.org/~greg/cypherdoc_fraud_hearing_1.mp3

Primary sources are our friends; gossip is not.   Smiley

Guess im not trained enough in hearing english in order to understand this really. Maybe some other reader can write what the file is about? Its long too.  Roll Eyes

But maybe you can tell why you think that payment is justified. You are the only one yet, i read of, that thinks he could deliver anything near or over 3000Bitcoins worth.

Best I can tell, iCEBREAKER is saying that cypherdoc helped scam people fair and square, and attempts to use 'violence' to clawback the ill-begotten 'nobly achieved' gains from him are improper.

This seems to be the standard party line from the hard-core Libertarian wing throughout the history of Bitcoin (or at least since I've been involved.)  I've actually come around to this viewpoint somewhat relative to my initial stance.  That said, I don't really believe that calling attention to cypherdoc's malfeasance are 'violence' in the standard form (such as use/mis-use of the state sponsored judicial system.)  Cypherdoc made a big thing of all the due dilligence he did before pumping Hashfast (and nothing at all of the money he was making shilling for them which, in fact, he tried to hide to the extent that he would flat-out lie to Maxwell about it.)

Cypherdoc can keep his money as far as I'm concerned (which is easy for me to say as someone who didn't even bother to know what-the-fuck Hashfast was much less send them (and cypherdoc) a bunch of my BTC.)  What comes around goes around.  In the mean time, informing people of his reliability in terms research and suggestions and the like should offend no one.  Not even uber-Libertarians.

Don't believe tvbcof's malicious, defamatory gossip.  His distorted version of events is not supported by the primary source.

It's not about what *I'm* saying, it's about what the Judge is saying.

Clue for clueless tvbcof: the Judge didn't mention "the standard party line from the hard-core Libertarian wing throughout the history of Bitcoin."

We know you hate Ayn Rand with the fiery intolerance of a supervolcano, but please don't flat-out lie to SebastianJu about what was said and decided at the hearing.

All that happened was that cypherdoc got a 10% sales commission for helping HF fund their ASIC.

Unfortunately BTC's price and difficulty shot up faster than HF could build their machines.  But cypherdoc had nothing to do with that.

That's why the judge ruled the lawyers, having destroyed the company itself and now desperately looking for a way to pay themselves, could not take his coins (at this time).
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July 21, 2015, 03:45:21 PM
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you realize i can't even bother to read the content of what you write any more; it's so bad.  all i can do is think of these images of you and little iCEBLOW:



I'm pretty happy to be a little dog if the alternative would entail ripping people off by participating in a mining gear scam involving none-existent and never-to-be-existent hardware.  At least you could have been original and teamed up with Josh and Sonny at BFL.  You probably would have done much better.



Excuse me?

Hashfast User's Thread

yeah, not a hint of apology, not a hint of remorse from tvbcof for latching on to any suggestion of anti-cypherdoc sentiment (ala gmax's version of his negative rating) to post outright lies and slander.  this is what you get from him; unfounded bullshit and innuendo.  what a shameful, illiterate, irresponsible, little dog tvbcof:

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wow, i am really impressed.  thank you iCE:

My comment about cypherdoc being a lieing piece of shit had nothing to do with the court system.  It had everything to do with him whining and crying to Maxwell about being a loser who lost money in order to get him to retract his negative rating when in reality he was sitting on a cool 3000 BTC which used to be in Hashfast victims wallets.

As for the court, I guess I am more of a Libertarian than you at this point.  I have close to zero confidence in them and by-n-large don't give a shit about what these corrupt asswipes say.

It is the case that I fund the justice system through my taxes and I would not shed a tear if they make cypherdoc squeal.  The enemy of my enemy is my friend sometimes.  Same goes for other Libertarian scammers who didn't pay attention to the old adage "If you cannot stand the heat, stay out of the kitchen."

I happen to agree with the court that it is inappropriate for what's left of Hashfast to attach cypherdoc's 3000 BTC at the present time.  Again, if they rightly or wrongly do him much greater 'violence' in the future, well, golly gee wilikers...couldn't have happened to a nicer guy.

Cypherdoc made no allowance for his being a clueless jackoff when he was shilling hard for Hashfast.  Yes, those who didn't do their own due diligence on the guy (and the company and Bitcoin itself) and lost money (edit: or lost something) and they are primarily to blame, but I'm certainly not going to shed any tears if cypherdoc takes a hit for his own (very optional) role in the smoking crater that the endeavor very predictably became.

So you prefer to believe gmax's gossip rather than consult primary sources and form your own opinion?  Good luck with that!

This isn't the first time we've seen someone hypocritically selectively declare how little they care for courts' and judges' opinions, just because the court/judge in question failed to confirm their preexisting prejudgments.  When you lose on the facts, pound the table and attack the venue, right?   Roll Eyes

Plenty of people (including myself and presumably gmax) did their due diligence before ordering from HF.  But that is no guarantee of success when objective business conditions later become unfavorable to an insurmountable degree.

You are certainly not "more of a Libertarian" than I.  A real Libertarian would not ignore court proceedings/findings/rulings simply because, and only after, they failed to reinforced his preferred narrative.  You seem to think that Libertarians are anarchists, who despise courts and judges.  Big mistake, you amateur.

Libertarians don't believe simply doing your own due diligence guarantees you won't lose money on a venture (especially an ultra-high-risk gamble involving a brand new, very ambitious BTC ASIC start-up).  That's another big amateur mistake.

The broad problem of Deep Capture does not necessarily mean everything done by the courts (or police, etc.) is automatically wrong.  EG, in the narrow example of Frap.doc's coins we saw the court reject its Capturer's (Katten Muchen Rosenman) demand to jam their blood funnel into the nearest thing that smells like money.  

That's your third big amateur mistake.  I suggest you read Anarcy, State, and Utopia and get a clue about what "libertarian" actually means.

"very predictably became?"

Please, point out where you (psychically?) predicted HF would become a "smoking crater" or STFU about your asinine 20/20 hindsight and egregious Monday Morning Quarterbacking.  You don't get to say 'I told you so' when you did not, in fact, tell us so.

If the bankruptcy was so very predictable, why did gmax and dozens of others of old time and expert Bitcoiners fail to notice?

I swear to God...you people...with your retroactive, after-the-fact, so-called predictions...   Cheesy
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July 21, 2015, 03:56:28 PM
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From my admittedly tangential read, there is a hypothesis floated in legal circles that cypherdoc's involvement is somewhat more complex than simple shilling.  That is, his wallet acts as a protected buffer and his shilling fees exist as an excuse and to escape future legal 'violence'.  Whether I like or trust the legal system or not, I'd rather see the funds I put in to support it (my taxes) used to tug at this string than to help resolve disputes between other faceless corporate giants which is where most of the money goes.  That's only because I happen to be into Bitcoin though.  Ideally the court system and government generally would studiously ignore Bitcoin, but that ship has already sailed.

At least you admit repeating gossip and narrative, rather than primary sources.   Tongue

Cypherdoc's involvement as a paid endorser, who took on the role of a proxy for the community by visiting HF in person, started and stopped long before anyone knew business conditions for 3rd gen ASIC companies was about to take a turn for the worse.
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Funny how correcting you on the facts (commission != equity) made absolutely no difference to your conclusion... Grin

Have no dog in this fight, but did cypher really get commission?  As in "for the miners he personally sold"?  Or did he get 10% of total sales?  10% commission seems reasonable.  Paying out 10% of (total) sales is not, strictly speaking,  a commission, and paying 10% of gross sales (did HF sell much of anything other than BJs?) to some nobody posting on a forum?

He was paid commission in the form of 10% of Batch 1 Baby Jets sold.  Not total sales.

We've seen the actual '10% of Batch 1 Baby Jets' commission mutate into unfounded rumors of 10% of total sales and even 10% of equity.

That is ridiculous.  Am I the only one here capable of reading legalese?

https://cases.processgeneral.com/cases/document/case/5/hashfast-technologies-llc/120867/
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July 21, 2015, 04:31:38 PM
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geezuz, what i've been missing.  and btw, i am hereby replacing iCE with M_O_A as tvbcof's partner little dog:

cypher.doc has dragged down the whole reputation of bitcointalk.org standing with his shennagins.

What nonsense.  Could you possibly strain any harder to exaggerate?

Nobody, except for a few lawyers and windfall-obsessed dead-enders, care about an old endorsement thread.

Remember when Bargraphics traveled to MO and reported positively on Activemining, which turned out to be a fraud?

No?  Good, neither does anyone else.

And Lord knows how many people endorsed ASICMINER ("Friedcat for President").

Ditto for a dozen other ASIC companies.  Not to mention pirate@40, etc.

Where is your (apparently highly selective) outrage over them?  Don't rush, I'll wait...

To make Frap.doc the poster child for BTCT scams is ludicrous, especially as the court has yet to declare his coins anything other than legally earned sales commission, and HF anything other than a victim of changing business conditions.

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you realize i can't even bother to read the content of what you write any more; it's so bad.  all i can do is think of these images of you and little iCEBLOW:

http://fabelhaftfrenchbulldogs.com/wp-content/themes/TheCorporation/timthumb.php?src=http://fabelhaftfrenchbulldogs.com/wp-content/uploads/2_slider_puppies.jpg&h=220&w=330&zc=1

I'm pretty happy to be a little dog if the alternative would entail ripping people off by participating in a mining gear scam involving none-existent and never-to-be-existent hardware.  At least you could have been original and teamed up with Josh and Sonny at BFL.  You probably would have done much better.



Excuse me?

Hashfast User's Thread

yeah, not a hint of apology, not a hint of remorse from tvbcof for latching on to any suggestion of anti-cypherdoc sentiment (ala gmax's version of his negative rating) to post outright lies and slander.  this is what you get from him; unfounded bullshit and innuendo.  what a shameful, illiterate, irresponsible, little dog tvbcof:

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTnfCoiWTiktwAd99bKoxD-yDcDDSCQ2fJqzh4wP6FS7vCBOhHAXQ

I was doing something else besides screwing around on bitcointalk.org yesterday.  I formally apologize.  I've no trouble doing so.

I apologize for not realizing that Hashfast actually did eventually get something delivered (apparently.)  I've not researched things enough to figure out whether Hashfast just bought a few of obsolete chips left over from the old days for a few cents and shipped them to fulfill some obligation and help them get by in court.  Doesn't matter since nobody can make a dime one way or another.

As is the case since I got involved, it just makes sense to either buy Bitcoin or sit on cash waiting to do so.  By the laws of economics few if any people are going to make any money mining except in temporary and corner-case scenarios.  Any semi-competent analyst could tell you that (and I have a number of times.)

Naturally it is very possible to make a ton of money scamming people who are not bright enough to see why mining economically futile.  Lots of people have made a ton doing so.  If cypherdoc had publicly informed people of this opportunity to put other people's money into their own pockets I would have some respect for him as a human being.  That he kept it to himself and put ton of other people's money into is own pocket by this means makes it so that I have to respect his ability to correctly read the ecosystem.  It only makes him more of a Lowelife in my book though.

Cypherdoc displays the worst aspects of Libertarianism and none of the good ones.  Big fish scam little fish in a cold hard world and any attempts for the little fish to form schools to mitigate the threat are bad.  At the same time he fully adopts the Socialist line that everyone should be subsidized in order to enjoy the benefits of Bitcoin without paying for them.  Just like most real Socialists he is likely just wishing to fatten up the small fish to they are a more fulfilling mouthful at some point in the future and much easier to catch.


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you realize i can't even bother to read the content of what you write any more; it's so bad.  all i can do is think of these images of you and little iCEBLOW:

http://fabelhaftfrenchbulldogs.com/wp-content/themes/TheCorporation/timthumb.php?src=http://fabelhaftfrenchbulldogs.com/wp-content/uploads/2_slider_puppies.jpg&h=220&w=330&zc=1

I'm pretty happy to be a little dog if the alternative would entail ripping people off by participating in a mining gear scam involving none-existent and never-to-be-existent hardware.  At least you could have been original and teamed up with Josh and Sonny at BFL.  You probably would have done much better.



Excuse me?

Hashfast User's Thread

yeah, not a hint of apology, not a hint of remorse from tvbcof for latching on to any suggestion of anti-cypherdoc sentiment (ala gmax's version of his negative rating) to post outright lies and slander.  this is what you get from him; unfounded bullshit and innuendo.  what a shameful, illiterate, irresponsible, little dog tvbcof:

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTnfCoiWTiktwAd99bKoxD-yDcDDSCQ2fJqzh4wP6FS7vCBOhHAXQ

I was doing something else besides screwing around on bitcointalk.org yesterday.  I formally apologize.  I've no trouble doing so.

I apologize for not realizing that Hashfast actually did eventually get something delivered (apparently.)  I've not researched things enough to figure out whether Hashfast just bought a few of obsolete chips left over from the old days for a few cents and shipped them to fulfill some obligation and help them get by in court.  Doesn't matter since nobody can make a dime one way or another.

As is the case since I got involved, it just makes sense to either buy Bitcoin or sit on cash waiting to do so.  By the laws of economics few if any people are going to make any money mining except in temporary and corner-case scenarios.  Any semi-competent analyst could tell you that (and I have a number of times.)

Naturally it is very possible to make a ton of money scamming people who are not bright enough to see why mining economically futile.  Lots of people have made a ton doing so.  If cypherdoc had publicly informed people of this opportunity to put other people's money into their own pockets I would have some respect for him as a human being.  That he kept it to himself and put ton of other people's money into is own pocket by this means makes it so that I have to respect his ability to correctly read the ecosystem.  It only makes him more of a Lowelife in my book though.

Cypherdoc displays the worst aspects of Libertarianism and none of the good ones.  Big fish scam little fish in a cold hard world and any attempts for the little fish to form schools to mitigate the threat are bad.  At the same time he fully adopts the Socialist line that everyone should be subsidized in order to enjoy the benefits of Bitcoin without paying for them.  Just like most real Socialists he is likely just wishing to fatten up the small fish to they are a more fulfilling mouthful at some point in the future and much easier to catch.



i still don't get you:

"I am pleased to announce that I have been selected as a paid sponsor for HashFast Technologies LLC."


https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=270363.0
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Bitgold has made i  think the gold more popular to the online currencies. The bitcoin is perfect so far

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i still don't get you:

"I am pleased to announce that I have been selected as a paid sponsor for HashFast Technologies LLC."


https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=270363.0

Could you save me the time of looking and provide a link to where you described how and why your analysis was woefully wrong and lots of people lost money a fair bit of which you now control?  I didn't notice such a thing when I skimmed that thread.

Also, how much longer do you think we'll need to wait before you figure out how to 'pay people back' who took your advice and got a shaft up the ass for it?  I mean, surely that wallet with 3000 BTC is sitting there in waiting for you to do so (voluntarily), right?


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i still don't get you:

"I am pleased to announce that I have been selected as a paid sponsor for HashFast Technologies LLC."


https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=270363.0

Could you save me the time of looking and provide a link to where you described how and why your analysis was woefully wrong and lots of people lost money a fair bit of which you now control?  I didn't notice such a thing when I skimmed that thread.

Also, how much longer do you think we'll need to wait before you figure out how to 'pay people back' who took your advice and got a shaft up the ass for it?  I mean, surely that wallet with 3000 BTC is sitting there in waiting for you to do so (voluntarily), right?



as i am in the middle of a dispute with HF, i can't talk about any details of the case, as you can well imagine.

but if you think about it very carefully, i'm sure you can figure out the answer to your question.
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gold $1097 and dropping.
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gold rejecting off resistance.  should resume downtrend:



1310! Its just where the candlesticks are pointing.. we shall see.

Said this in 2012... probably earlier too... http://www.forexfactory.com/news.php?do=news&id=380828#post5957650

USDx and Stock market leaving the station together... probably 32k dow and 90-95 usdx atleast.

Recap from last sept:

gold hit $1305ish and topped out and USD now above 95usdx.. DOW still to get its head out from its ass.
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my, my.  the anger is getting obvious.  no wonder tvbcof is going off:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3e34x7/do_you_remember_gold_it_was_kind_of_an_analog/ctb3zwz
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  That he kept it to himself and put ton of other people's money into is own pocket by this means makes it so that I have to respect his ability to correctly read the ecosystem.  It only makes him more of a Lowelife in my book though.


To denounce someone without knowing anything is a case of a real Lowlife.

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  That he kept it to himself and put ton of other people's money into is own pocket by this means makes it so that I have to respect his ability to correctly read the ecosystem.  It only makes him more of a Lowelife in my book though.


To denounce someone without knowing anything is a case of a real Lowlife.

tvbcof is willing to make all sorts of accusations, wild claims & extrapolations, along with slanderous statements while fully admitting that he hasn't gone over the case or it's details whatsoever.  what kinda person does that?  answer:  someone who is mean & reckless and who has a malicious agenda. 

i deny all the allegations made in the complaint and on this forum and fully expect to prevail.
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  That he kept it to himself and put ton of other people's money into is own pocket by this means makes it so that I have to respect his ability to correctly read the ecosystem.  It only makes him more of a Lowelife in my book though.


To denounce someone without knowing anything is a case of a real Lowlife.

tvbcof is willing to make all sorts of accusations, wild claims & extrapolations, along with slanderous statements while fully admitting that he hasn't gone over the case or it's details whatsoever.  what kinda person does that?  answer:  someone who is mean & reckless and who has a malicious agenda. 

i deny all the allegations made in the complaint and on this forum and fully expect to prevail.

Oh, I'm sorry.

 - Is there any question that cypherdoc accepted money to shill for Hashfast?

 - Is there any question that people who sent money to Hashfast didn't get what they expected in return?

 - Is there any question that some of that money which victims used to control is now controlled by cypherdoc?

No?  Didn't think so. 

Is there any question that Zarathursa is a slimy little fuck?  Let me check the magic 8-ball.  Magic 8-ball says "It's highly likely."  So the jury is still out on that one.


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