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November 10, 2014, 10:47:29 PM
Last edit: November 10, 2014, 11:01:23 PM by MrGreenHat
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What I was curious about is how long it takes for payment to be confirmed and they send an email to me?  I already received an email telling me I have one hour to make my purchase before cancelation.  I completed that purchase about 2 minutes after receiving that email.
Within a few hours, usually. Don't worry, as long as you sent the correct amount of BTC to the address they provided, you'll be fine.

What did you buy, S3 or S4? I am sitting on 13 S3 coupons you could have used as well as S4 coupons probably won't use. We could have reached a deal both would have been happy with.
LOL. Are you upset with this guy for not contacting you in order to buy a coupon from you before he made his purchase?  Cheesy

Not that it is any of your business but he mines at a pool I do and I have had several conversations with him and would have given him a coupon NC.

Not sure if it was you or not, sic, who had the S4 coupon that expired like October 24th, which was no good for me.  Oh well, too late now.  Probably too late for the next one.  I will get another S4 as soon as I earn enough to get one.  I should earn BTC a little faster than before.  It's like adding 4 and a half S3's to my farm when I get one of these S4's.  

I hope I have no issues with this S4 when I receive it.  I have been a bit hesitant after seeing a youtube video of an S4 smoking and the difficulty issue on pools that start low and slowly wind up higher.  I was going to wait for batch 3 but I just couldn't wait any longer.  LOL

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At this point, I don't think you are going to have any problems at all with your S3 (edit: S4, not S3) when you receive it. BITMAIN has sorted out the bad PSUs. Just make sure that you don't try to power it with a circuit that is already using a decent amount of wattage. In fact, I would recommend dedicating just one single circuit to the S4 and the S4 only. 1400W can be a lot for some residences to handle (Im assuming you are a home miner), especially if you already have a bunch of S3s connected to the same circuit.

EDIT: You will have no issues with vardiff pools as long as you use ckolivas's firmware, its somewhere buried in this thread, I think somewhere between pages 40 and 50. you just ssh into your miner and:
Code:
wget http://ck.kolivas.org/apps/cgminer/antminer/s4/4.6.1-141018/cgminer
mv /usr/bin/cgminer /usr/bin/cgminer.bak
chmod +x cgminer
mv cgminer /usr/bin/cgminer
/etc/init.d/cgminer.sh restart

I think that's it. I typed it all from memory, because any time you do a power cycle, the firmware goes back to the original, and you have to repeat the above process. Hopefully at some point down the road BITMAIN will release firmware that will fix this.
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November 10, 2014, 10:48:37 PM
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No problem, David it is and these are good to the 13th and 15th if you need one pm me.

Damn, wish I would have known.  I will not get another till approximately 3 to 4 weeks from now.  The coupon will be expired by then.  Maybe someone else looking at this forum will know you have some available if they are in the market for an S4 before the 15th.

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November 10, 2014, 10:51:47 PM
Last edit: November 10, 2014, 11:08:40 PM by dmwardjr
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I will delete the pictures and all shortly.

Thank you.



What I was curious about is how long it takes for payment to be confirmed and they send an email to me?  I already received an email telling me I have one hour to make my purchase before cancelation.  I completed that purchase about 2 minutes after receiving that email.
Within a few hours, usually. Don't worry, as long as you sent the correct amount of BTC to the address they provided, you'll be fine.

What did you buy, S3 or S4? I am sitting on 13 S3 coupons you could have used as well as S4 coupons probably won't use. We could have reached a deal both would have been happy with.
LOL. Are you upset with this guy for not contacting you in order to buy a coupon from you before he made his purchase?  Cheesy

Not that it is any of your business but he mines at a pool I do and I have had several conversations with him and would have given him a coupon NC.

Not sure if it was you or not, sic, who had the S4 coupon that expired like October 24th, which was no good for me.  Oh well, too late now.  Probably too late for the next one.  I will get another S4 as soon as I earn enough to get one.  I should earn BTC a little faster than before.  It's like adding 4 and a half S3's to my farm when I get one of these S4's.  

I hope I have no issues with this S4 when I receive it.  I have been a bit hesitant after seeing a youtube video of an S4 smoking and the difficulty issue on pools that start low and slowly wind up higher.  I was going to wait for batch 3 but I just couldn't wait any longer.  LOL

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At this point, I don't think you are going to have any problems at all with your S3 when you receive it. BITMAIN has sorted out the bad PSUs. Just make sure that you don't try to power it with a circuit that is already using a decent amount of wattage. In fact, I would recommend dedicating just one single circuit to the S4 and the S4 only. 1400W can be a lot for some residences to handle (Im assuming you are a home miner), especially if you already have a bunch of S3s connected to the same circuit.

I deleted the pictures.

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November 10, 2014, 11:00:26 PM
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Nice setup! I'm very impressed! I don't think you will run into any problems, but if you do, this thread isn't going anywhere anytime soon.
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November 10, 2014, 11:05:11 PM
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Nice setup! I'm very impressed! I don't think you will run into any problems, but if you do, this thread isn't going anywhere anytime soon.

Thank you!

I will be running four (4) 30 AMP circuits this week to prepare for S4's.  These circuits require 10/3 wiring and 30 AMP receptacle.  I will also use a special cord to plug in two (2) S4's into one 30 AMP circuit.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000NVRT2I/ref=ox_sc_sfl_title_9?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER



This is the 30 AMP receptacle I'm using: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00002NATX/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1



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Last edit: November 11, 2014, 01:33:04 AM by dmwardjr
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Just got my "Bitmain Order Paid Confirmation" from bitmaintech.com.

Sweeeeeeeeeeeet

Thanks again for the heads up about no more than a couple of hours so I was not pulling my hair out wondering what was taking so long.

Now, I feel like a little boy counting down the days to Christmas morning.  LOL   Cheesy

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November 11, 2014, 02:34:58 AM
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Nice setup! I'm very impressed! I don't think you will run into any problems, but if you do, this thread isn't going anywhere anytime soon.

Thank you!

I will be running four (4) 30 AMP circuits this week to prepare for S4's.  These circuits require 10/3 wiring and 30 AMP receptacle.  I will also use a special cord to plug in two (2) S4's into one 30 AMP circuit.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000IUHA28/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o01_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

This is the 30 AMP receptacle I'm using: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00002NATX/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

I'm deleting the the pictures of my farm from a previous post.  They can be viewed again at:  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=766998.40

You're under-utilizing those circuits.

240v x 30a = 7200w

7200w derated by 20% for safety =  5760w of usable power per circuit.

You could power 4x S4s per circuit, without issue. In my opinion it would also be safer in the event of a short or a blown PSU. That 30a breaker will be a lot harder to trip if you're only using ~2800w out of 7200w in the event of a fault with one of the S4s.
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Nice setup! I'm very impressed! I don't think you will run into any problems, but if you do, this thread isn't going anywhere anytime soon.

Thank you!

I will be running four (4) 30 AMP circuits this week to prepare for S4's.  These circuits require 10/3 wiring and 30 AMP receptacle.  I will also use a special cord to plug in two (2) S4's into one 30 AMP circuit.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000IUHA28/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o01_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

This is the 30 AMP receptacle I'm using: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00002NATX/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

I'm deleting the the pictures of my farm from a previous post.  They can be viewed again at:  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=766998.40

 That 30a breaker will be a lot harder to trip if you're only using ~2800w out of 7200w in the event of a fault with one of the S4s.
I assume you mean ~1400W instead of ~2800?
And yes, I concur with the rest of the content of your post.
[dmwardjr]- I didn't realize you were operating at 240V, made the assumption that you were operating at 120V. Disregard my comment about dedicating  a single circuit for one S4
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Nice setup! I'm very impressed! I don't think you will run into any problems, but if you do, this thread isn't going anywhere anytime soon.

Thank you!

I will be running four (4) 30 AMP circuits this week to prepare for S4's.  These circuits require 10/3 wiring and 30 AMP receptacle.  I will also use a special cord to plug in two (2) S4's into one 30 AMP circuit.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000IUHA28/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o01_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

This is the 30 AMP receptacle I'm using: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00002NATX/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

I'm deleting the the pictures of my farm from a previous post.  They can be viewed again at:  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=766998.40

 That 30a breaker will be a lot harder to trip if you're only using ~2800w out of 7200w in the event of a fault with one of the S4s.
I assume you mean ~1400W instead of ~2800?
And yes, I concur with the rest of the content of your post.
[dmwardjr]- I didn't realize you were operating at 240V, made the assumption that you were operating at 120V. Disregard my comment about dedicating  a single circuit for one S4

Sorry, I wasn't clear. I meant ~2800w, considering 2x S4s per circuit with each drawing ~1400w.
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For those with S4 coupons, are they $50 or $200 coupons?
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For those with S4 coupons, are they $50 or $200 coupons?

200 good to the 15th.

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November 11, 2014, 03:22:27 AM
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Nice setup! I'm very impressed! I don't think you will run into any problems, but if you do, this thread isn't going anywhere anytime soon.

Thank you!

I will be running four (4) 30 AMP circuits this week to prepare for S4's.  These circuits require 10/3 wiring and 30 AMP receptacle.  I will also use a special cord to plug in two (2) S4's into one 30 AMP circuit.


why are you using 125V wires though? 250V (or 220v more likely) is slighlty safer and more power-efficient to use.

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The problem was finding 30 AMP receptacle for a regular IEC-320-C13 3 prong cord to plug into, which is normally used for 15 AMP or 20 AMP circuit.  I could not find one.  I don't think they even make one.  So, I decided to get an L14-30P 4 prong circular receptacle that will push 30 AMPS so that two S4's can be put on one circuit.

One S4 is 1400 watts. Two S4's would be 2800 watts.  240 volts or 120 volts is not what is important.  The amperage is what is important in this application.  Each AMP can push 120 watts of power.  1400 watts divided by 120 watts per amp = 11.6666667 AMPS for one S4.  2800 watts divided by 120 watts per amp = 23.3333333 AMPS for two S4's.

With a 30 AMP circuit, yes, this would leave 6.6666666 AMPS remaining for the circuit if I was powering two S4's.  However, I do not want to push the circuit and the wiring to its limits.  I want to keep the heat down and have less chance of tripping the breaker.  I have approximately 800 watts per setup of two S3's with one 860 watt PSU.  Just because it can push 860 does not mean I'm using 860.  Theoretically, I could have 3 sets of S3's (6 of them) with three (3) 800 watt PSU's on a 20 AMP circuit.  800 watts x 3 = 2400 watts.  A 20 AMP circuit x 120 watts per AMP is 2400 watts.  That would be pushing that 20 AMP circuit to its max which would heat up the wiring more.

The way I feel we need to look at it is this way:

Push your circuits no more than 75 to 80 percent [if you can help it] to keep from heating up your inside wiring, especially, in a residence.  I have 240 Volts coming into the house to the main breaker.  The main breaker panel is 200 AMPS.  However, we split up our amperage in our residence/business with breakers.  We don't have all 200 AMPS on one circuit in our house.  We split it up according to what is required for the equipment/appliances.  

I have a choice, run multiple 14/2 wiring with 15 AMP breakers having only one 15 AMP circuit for each S4.  Doing so would require me to spend more money on wire and more time with labor to run the wiring and wire up each receptacle.  Why?  If I want eight S4's, that would mean eight runs of 14/2 wiring going into eight 15 AMP receptacles.  Lot more money and labor.

A 20 AMP circuit with 12/2 wiring capable of 2400 watts leaves me 1000 watts of un-used power.  That did not seem like the right thing to do.  It was basically the same as a 15 AMP circuit with the same problem of running more wiring and hooking up more receptacles.  20 AMPS was not able to power two S4's.

A 30 AMP circuit with the potential of running 3600 watts (30 AMPS x 120 watts per amp).  Two S4's [2800 watts] from 3600 would leave 800 watts left over instead of 1000 watts like it would with a 20 AMP circuit.  I'm using 77% of my amperage in a 30 AMP circuit with two S4's on that 30 AMP circuit.  Also, I'm spending less money on wiring and wiring up fewer receptacles at the wall [less labor].

The voltage did not matter in this case.  The S4 is made for 120 volt or 240 volt circuit AT 30 AMPS.  So, what mattered most was the amperage.  What also mattered was how much money I spend on wiring and receptacles and how much labor I expend to install the wiring and receptacles.

It made more sense to me to have four (4) runs of 10 AWG wiring going to four (4) 30 AMP receptacles.  Then, have four (4) cords to split from a 30 AMP circular plug in to two 15/20 AMP 3 prong female plug in's going in each 30 AMP receptacle.  That would give me a total of eight 15/20 AMP 3 prong female plug in's to plug in eight  S4's.  

The splitter cord I'm purchasing will also break down the voltage from 240 to 120.  How?  It will use the Red/White for one 15 AMP/120 Volt circuit and the Black/White for the other 15 AMP/120 Volt Circuit.

As for waste of amperage or wattage: there is very little waste here.  We have to consider what we are willing to spend on wiring and what is available at the other end of the wiring to plug our equipment into.  We also need to consider the amount of labor involved when installing the wiring and plug (receptacle) we plug into.  Unfortunately, there is no 30 AMP IEC-C13 3 prong outlet.  The max it goes to is 20 AMP; that I could find in the U.S.A.  If we go anything over 20 AMP in the U.S.A. we have to use a specialized outlet other than C13 3 prong outlet.

30 AMPS was the OBVIOUS choice for two (2) S4's to run on.  Since it is the obvious amperage for two (2) S4's to run on, I needed to look at what 30 AMP outlets were available for me to use.  These are what is available in the U.S.A. :  http://www.lowes.com/Electrical/Electrical-Outlets-Adapters/Electrical-Outlets/_/N-1z0yt2j/pl?Ns=p_product_qty_sales_dollar|1#!&N%5B%5D=1z0v8l3&N%5B%5D=1z0yt2j

Now, if you see what is available, you understand the dilemma I was in.  I needed to get something to break down to a regular 3 prong C13 plug.  That's when I found the following:http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000IUHA28/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o01_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1  That was the ticket.

So, I will use 10/3 wiring to a 30 AMP receptacle to split with a special cord to power two S4's.  That was the cheapest, easiest and safest way to do it in my opinion.  However, I'm open to other opinions.

If you say, "Amperage or wattage is being wasted," actually it's very little compared to 20 AMP circuit.  Yes, I could have had multiple 15 AMP circuits.  However, they would have powered only one S4 and I would have spent more time with labor as well as more money on multiple runs of wiring to those receptacles.

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November 11, 2014, 04:33:32 AM
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Does anyone have a direct link to the S4 complete image??
My SD card corrupted and I need to reimage one fast.
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November 11, 2014, 05:15:14 AM
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Nice setup! I'm very impressed! I don't think you will run into any problems, but if you do, this thread isn't going anywhere anytime soon.

Thank you!

I will be running four (4) 30 AMP circuits this week to prepare for S4's.  These circuits require 10/3 wiring and 30 AMP receptacle.  I will also use a special cord to plug in two (2) S4's into one 30 AMP circuit.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000IUHA28/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o01_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

This is the 30 AMP receptacle I'm using: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00002NATX/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

I'm deleting the the pictures of my farm from a previous post.  They can be viewed again at:  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=766998.40

You're under-utilizing those circuits.

240v x 30a = 7200w

7200w derated by 20% for safety =  5760w of usable power per circuit.

You could power 4x S4s per circuit, without issue. In my opinion it would also be safer in the event of a short or a blown PSU. That 30a breaker will be a lot harder to trip if you're only using ~2800w out of 7200w in the event of a fault with one of the S4s.

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Are you from the United States?

I need to know what outlet I need and what special extension cord I need in the U.S. to plug in four S4's into a 240 Volt outlet?

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The problem was finding 30 AMP receptacle for a regular IEC-320-C13 3 prong cord to plug into, which is normally used for 15 AMP or 20 AMP circuit.  I could not find one.  I don't think they even make one.  So, I decided to get an L14-30P 4 prong circular receptacle that will push 30 AMPS so that two S4's can be put on one circuit.

One S4 is 1400 watts. Two S4's would be 2800 watts.  240 volts or 120 volts is not what is important.  The amperage is what is important in this application.  Each AMP can push 120 watts of power.  1400 watts divided by 120 watts per amp = 11.6666667 AMPS for one S4.  2800 watts divided by 120 watts per amp = 23.3333333 AMPS for two S4's.

With a 30 AMP circuit, yes, this would leave 6.6666666 AMPS remaining for the circuit if I was powering two S4's.  However, I do not want to push the circuit and the wiring to its limits.  I want to keep the heat down and have less chance of tripping the breaker.  I have approximately 800 watts per setup of two S3's with one 860 watt PSU.  Just because it can push 860 does not mean I'm using 860.  Theoretically, I could have 3 sets of S3's (6 of them) with three (3) 800 watt PSU's on a 20 AMP circuit.  800 watts x 3 = 2400 watts.  A 20 AMP circuit x 120 watts per AMP is 2400 watts.  That would be pushing that 20 AMP circuit to its max which would heat up the wiring more.

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I'm on my cell so I didn't read your whole post and I'm going to be brief as posting with it is annoying.

You're making an error. You are running 240v to your outlets, right? Just to be sure.

1A on 120v = 120w
1A on 240v = 240w

Thus:

1 S4 on 120v = 1400w / 120v = 11.66a
1 S4 on 240v = 1400w / 240v = 5.83a

Big difference. You're doubling your capacity by using 240v vs 120v. IE only 2x S4 if 30a @ 120v, but 4x S4 if 30a @240v.

30a derated by 20% = 24a usable safely.

4 x 5.83a = 23.33a

Also, while I'm not endorsing this, I did all of my own electrical work and know that I used the best quality equipment. I've run a 30a 240v circuit 24/7 at 30a (7200w) without any issues. The wire was warm, but still well in what I would consider safe. Continually maxing the line out like that would likely wear the breaker out faster, though. Again, I'm not saying people should max out their amperage ratings, stick to -20%.

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If you believe this would be better, please let me know:

Yes, that would be perfect.
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November 11, 2014, 05:25:53 AM
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Prelude,

Are you from the United States?

I need to know what outlet I need and what special extension cord I need in the U.S. to plug in four S4's into a 240 Volt outlet?

Canada, but our electrical specs are the same. What you posted was perfect, especially the 6 outlet extension that you removed. NEMA L6-30 is the connector style you want. You should also look into used 240v 30a server PDUs on ebay. That would be the best option, but possibly a little more costly.
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November 11, 2014, 05:27:10 AM
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Does anyone have a direct link to the S4 complete image??
My SD card corrupted and I need to reimage one fast.
Thanks

If nobody else posts one before I can rip one from one of my S4s for you tomorrow.
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November 11, 2014, 05:29:34 AM
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For those with S4 coupons, are they $50 or $200 coupons?

200 good to the 15th.

Sweet, I thought they all expired on the 25th of October. If you (or anybody) want to hook a brother up, my bitmain ID = Prelude

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November 11, 2014, 05:32:51 AM
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Thanks I appreciate it.
I was not expecting the card to corrupt.  Pulled it out it is a class 4 no wonder why it did not last long.

Does anyone have a direct link to the S4 complete image??
My SD card corrupted and I need to reimage one fast.
Thanks

If nobody else posts one before I can rip one from one of my S4s for you tomorrow.

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