Why do Atheists Hate Religion?

[BADecker]

I'm sure Jesus is alive in heaven but He's not here on earth. And we, here, on earth, deal in real, objective, palpable things.

Can we at least agree on the God of the Old Testament before coming to the one in the New Testament?


Best regards.

So there are two different Gods? Well well - things get interesting.

And to top it off, you throw in silliness?   

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[CjMapope]

"You mean to say that if 2000 years from now someone will discover a copy of The Lord Of the Rings, they'll have proof that Elves existed?
We now have fragments of something someone sometime wrote. So what? "


this is also my view on it haha

[mrflibblehat]

I'm sure Jesus is alive in heaven but He's not here on earth. And we, here, on earth, deal in real, objective, palpable things.

Can we at least agree on the God of the Old Testament before coming to the one in the New Testament?


Best regards.

So there are two different Gods? Well well - things get interesting.

And to top it off, you throw in silliness?   

From what I see the user BitNow did differentiate one God from another, so? Is it one or is it two?

[BitNow]

I'm sure Jesus is alive in heaven but He's not here on earth. And we, here, on earth, deal in real, objective, palpable things.

Can we at least agree on the God of the Old Testament before coming to the one in the New Testament?


Best regards.

So there are two different Gods? Well well - things get interesting.

And to top it off, you throw in silliness?   

Wise words.


Best regards.

[BitNow]

From what I see the user BitNow did differentiate one God from another, so? Is it one or is it two?

It is a cave full of snakes.


Best regards.

[mrflibblehat]

"You mean to say that if 2000 years from now someone will discover a copy of The Lord Of the Rings, they'll have proof that Elves existed?
We now have fragments of something someone sometime wrote. So what? "


this is also my view on it haha

Oh, no! Someone agrees with me! You should attack him before there will be more people that agree with me. Maybe we'll start some kind of logical sect of something.
Atheists of the world unite!  The Sect of the Logical Mind awaits. Donations not required.

[BADecker]

The validity comes about because of the fact that it exists as it does??
What does that even mean?
Something is because something is? The fact that the Harry Potter exists (it is written) doesn't mean the accounts in it are true.
And tradition and word of mouth are not proof.

I quote that.

Can we agree on the God of the Old Testament: is the God of the Old Testament the same of all 3 monotheistic religions (Christianity, Judaism, Islam)?


Best regards.

As a philosophical experiment I will agree that theoretically all religions worship the same God using different names for it.

That's true deep down inside themselves. That's why Jesus says wording to the effect of, "Unless you repent and become like little children, you will not enter into the Kingdom of Heaven."

After people become adults, and start formulating what they think God is like, if their formulation doesn't match the truth, they have formed a false god for themselves.

This is why the Bible says, "Faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the Word of God." Fill yourself on the Bible, so that you have an accurate picture of God in your mind, so that you are worshiping the true God.

[BitNow]

Logic is not logic? That seems logical. At least in your church. I mean God can make anything possible, right?

I never said the word logic once!

Logic is about philosophy not Faith.

Are you talking with yourself?


Best regards.

[BADecker]

Let me tell you something, as a theology major, that is: theology is nonsense. And I can and am allowed to say that because mine is an informed opinion. I'm not just talking out of my ass. And after 5 years my opinion (doesn't have to be yours too) is that it's just a bunch of hooey. How easy it is to make nonsense up, make people believe it, and then live out of people's ignorance. It's genius!

Perhaps if you had been a spiritual major, all that theology would have made some sense to you. Too bad. All that training, and what good did it do you. Essentially none... at least in the ways that are worth anything of eternal value.

Go study science with a focus on finding out how cause and effect, complex universe, and universal entropy combine to prove the existence of God. Then go back and review your theological training. You just might come to understand that even you can be saved for eternal life in pleasure and joy.

Yeah - it took me 5 years of studying theology to finally understand that it's all nonsense. That's my opinion, please respect it, I'll respect your and that's it. Don't force your ideas upon others. Go be with Jesus.

In Hell you will be saying for eternity, "Please God, let that guy force faith in you on me."

If God is so powerful and full of mercy and love He will forgive me, because I'm small and limited and He is all powerful. If not then He is spiteful and keeps spite like a small child.

He is trying to forgive you. But you will receive none of it.

The retarded black person over in Africa, who never learned to read or write, and who is not saved because he worships the idol his family taught him to worship, will be punished less in Hell than you, a theology major, who intentionally rejected God after you found out all about Him.

[BADecker]

God will never be one and the same with allah (God in Arabic). This is because God has 3 distinct, separate persons making up one God. This is not at all like allah. (We are wrong to capitalize the word "allah." "Allah" simply means "god." Since it is a false god, it should not be capitalized.)

Judaism would be the same as Christianity if the Jews basically did not reject that Jesus is God. At one time they had not rejected the Messiah. But now they have by rejecting Jesus. With that rejection, they have made their god to be a god of two persons rather than the three that the Christians have.

One God, three separate, distinct persons. Difficult to understand.

Too easy to talk like that.

Did you ever fight your father?!?


Best regards.

Perhaps, sometime, you should learn how to express yourself so that other people can understand what you are talking about. Just a thought.

[mrflibblehat]

Let me tell you something, as a theology major, that is: theology is nonsense. And I can and am allowed to say that because mine is an informed opinion. I'm not just talking out of my ass. And after 5 years my opinion (doesn't have to be yours too) is that it's just a bunch of hooey. How easy it is to make nonsense up, make people believe it, and then live out of people's ignorance. It's genius!

Perhaps if you had been a spiritual major, all that theology would have made some sense to you. Too bad. All that training, and what good did it do you. Essentially none... at least in the ways that are worth anything of eternal value.

Go study science with a focus on finding out how cause and effect, complex universe, and universal entropy combine to prove the existence of God. Then go back and review your theological training. You just might come to understand that even you can be saved for eternal life in pleasure and joy.

Yeah - it took me 5 years of studying theology to finally understand that it's all nonsense. That's my opinion, please respect it, I'll respect your and that's it. Don't force your ideas upon others. Go be with Jesus.

In Hell you will be saying for eternity, "Please God, let that guy force faith in you on me."

If God is so powerful and full of mercy and love He will forgive me, because I'm small and limited and He is all powerful. If not then He is spiteful and keeps spite like a small child.

He is trying to forgive you. But you will receive none of it.

The retarded black person over in Africa, who never learned to read or write, and who is not saved because he worships the idol his family taught him to worship, will be punished less in Hell than you, a theology major, who intentionally rejected God after you found out all about Him.

Now that's one of the most racist thing I've read in some time.
You mean to say that black people are retarded?
Or that he will go to Hell because he can't or did not learn to read?
Or because his parents taught him something and not about your God that he will go to Hell even if he hasn't never heard about God?
Dude... That's wrong on so many levels, i don't even know what to say...

[BADecker]

Validity of the new testament is attested by tradition and eye reports? I mean you're joking right?

Much (maybe most) of the New Testament is eye-witness reports. The validity comes about because of the fact that it exists as it does, being backed by people who hang onto tradition (Christians of Israelite ancestry) more than they hold onto life itself. Their tradition is that the New Testament is truth.

The validity comes about because of the fact that it exists as it does??
What does that even mean?
Something is because something is? The fact that the Harry Potter exists (it is written) doesn't mean the accounts in it are true.
And tradition and word of mouth are not proof.

The "as it does" part includes the history of it. As I have mentioned in a previous post, we now have fragments of the New Testament that go back to before the destruction of Jerusalem in 70AD.

You mean to say that if 2000 years from now someone will discover a copy of The Lord Of the Rings, they'll have proof that Elves existed?
We now have fragments of something someone sometime wrote. So what?

"The Lord Of the Rings" was distinctly expressed as fantasy with no eye witness reports.

The New Testament is expressed as fact, with many eye witness reports.

[BitNow]

Perhaps, sometime, you should learn how to express yourself so that other people can understand what you are talking about. Just a thought.

Than I will lose my masculinity.

Now I know.


Best regards.

[BitNow]

Now that's one of the most racist thing I've read in some time.
You mean to say that black people are retarded?
Or that he will go to Hell because he can't or did not learn to read?
Or because his parents taught him something and not about your God that he will go to Hell even if he hasn't never heard about God?
Dude... That's wrong on so many levels, i don't even know what to say...

I know what to say: ATHEISM IS A SIN

Also: STOP BLAMING PEOPLE FOR YOUR FAULTS.


Best regards.

[BADecker]

It seems that logic hurts sometimes. Sorry for hurting you. It'll pass. The Lord will help you.

That's better. You finally understand the logic that proves the existence of God.

Well, you said^...

[mrflibblehat]

Validity of the new testament is attested by tradition and eye reports? I mean you're joking right?

Much (maybe most) of the New Testament is eye-witness reports. The validity comes about because of the fact that it exists as it does, being backed by people who hang onto tradition (Christians of Israelite ancestry) more than they hold onto life itself. Their tradition is that the New Testament is truth.

The validity comes about because of the fact that it exists as it does??
What does that even mean?
Something is because something is? The fact that the Harry Potter exists (it is written) doesn't mean the accounts in it are true.
And tradition and word of mouth are not proof.

The "as it does" part includes the history of it. As I have mentioned in a previous post, we now have fragments of the New Testament that go back to before the destruction of Jerusalem in 70AD.

You mean to say that if 2000 years from now someone will discover a copy of The Lord Of the Rings, they'll have proof that Elves existed?
We now have fragments of something someone sometime wrote. So what?

"The Lord Of the Rings" was distinctly expressed as fantasy with no eye witness reports.

The New Testament is expressed as fact, with many eye witness reports.

So now eyewitness reports are fact? Do you also believe UFO's exist?

[BitNow]

So now eyewitness reports are fact? Do you also believe UFO's exist?

The Vatican is open to Aliens:
"The extraterrestrial is my brother"
Source: http://www.vatican.va/news_services/or/or_quo/interviste/2008/112q08a1.html


Best regards.

[mrflibblehat]

Would it have any point whatsoever to mention the obvious fact that I was ironic? Or the fact that I even have to say that speaks a lot for itself?

[mrflibblehat]

So now eyewitness reports are fact? Do you also believe UFO's exist?

The Vatican is open to Aliens:
"Aliens there is a possibility that they do exist"


Best regards.

Well then in turn, I will paraphrase the vatican and say that there is a possibility God exists. Seems fair.

[BADecker]

There is too much pain and suffering in this world that so many innocents endure to believe there is a God that loves us like a parent would.
Why does He allow it? Or, seeing as how He knows the future, He did so from the beginning. Is it some kind of sadistic thing?

Mankind rejected God in the Garden, and brought this pain and death on us. Jesus salvation is the way out. We will never understand the reasons why it works like it does. at least not outside of Heaven. The point is getting there. Once this world is destroyed, it will never be brought to remembrance again.