Meizirkki
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October 24, 2013, 03:31:06 PM |
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KnC provoded the safest bet with people's funds that's all.
Sorry. I couldn't resist
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Phoenix1969
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October 24, 2013, 03:33:21 PM Last edit: October 24, 2013, 04:15:41 PM by Phoenix1969 |
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24 hrs after 0.97 still problem with 1 machine... one of the sats went back to 250 tried reflash, nada
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edgar
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October 24, 2013, 03:37:10 PM |
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KNC GUI & puTTy both show me at 541 all day - BTCG shows 480-500 most of the day.
am i missing something?
Yes you are. Stop measuring speeds at cgminer or go through Kano's posts for how to get the hashrate numbers using the hardware error numbers and so on. It's really annoying all these people posting meaningless hashrates... i think it is even easier, look at cgminer output (GH/s), then go to your pool server stats and look at that hash rate and if they are the same, you are doing very well, if they are not even close then you have a problem. Except the pool number jumps around. I saw a difference of 20 within two minutes at the pool. Average hashrate at the status screen barely moved. I do have 19% HW errors on 9.7 though. Fiatkiller, when other KNC Saturn owners are reporting 260GH/s-275GH/s at the server(and on CGminer), while my Saturn reports 215-235GH/s max, I feel that it has something to do with that high error rate our Saturns suffer from. Yes! It's all about the hardware error rate. The values on KNC's cgminer do not seem to take that into account. I don't know if other versions do. The difference between machines seem to come mostly from the level of hardware errors so when someone says "my jupiter/saturn is doing X/Y in hashrate with this FW" you end up empty handed because you don't know if they are measuring that at cgminer or and actually getting much less at the pool (as you would measure from averages). In fact it misleads other people and possibly devs into thinking that they are progressing with the software. 0.97 for me and other people seems to ramp up the hardware rate and the reported hashrate at cgminer (depending how bad your machine actually is) but you see all these pointless reports of "yey +10 GH/s" without stating the source. edgar: cry me a river! i dont know who you are referring to with your vague waffle about meaningless hashrates & not knowing what information has been given but i personally gave all the info regarding cgminer, KNCs GUI and BTCGs pool rate. i also asked specifically where to find the HW% and you prefer to troll the tread rather than give a knowledgeable response. i'll cry you a river mate!! so long as u hop in a canoe & fuck off down stream in it
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soy
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October 24, 2013, 03:50:43 PM |
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KNC GUI & puTTy both show me at 541 all day - BTCG shows 480-500 most of the day.
am i missing something?
Yes you are. Stop measuring speeds at cgminer or go through Kano's posts for how to get the hashrate numbers using the hardware error numbers and so on. It's really annoying all these people posting meaningless hashrates... i think it is even easier, look at cgminer output (GH/s), then go to your pool server stats and look at that hash rate and if they are the same, you are doing very well, if they are not even close then you have a problem. Except the pool number jumps around. I saw a difference of 20 within two minutes at the pool. Average hashrate at the status screen barely moved. I do have 19% HW errors on 9.7 though. Fiatkiller, when other KNC Saturn owners are reporting 260GH/s-275GH/s at the server(and on CGminer), while my Saturn reports 215-235GH/s max, I feel that it has something to do with that high error rate our Saturns suffer from. Yes! It's all about the hardware error rate. The values on KNC's cgminer do not seem to take that into account. I don't know if other versions do. The difference between machines seem to come mostly from the level of hardware errors so when someone says "my jupiter/saturn is doing X/Y in hashrate with this FW" you end up empty handed because you don't know if they are measuring that at cgminer or and actually getting much less at the pool (as you would measure from averages). In fact it misleads other people and possibly devs into thinking that they are progressing with the software. 0.97 for me and other people seems to ramp up the hardware rate and the reported hashrate at cgminer (depending how bad your machine actually is) but you see all these pointless reports of "yey +10 GH/s" without stating the source. edgar: cry me a river! i dont know who you are referring to with your vague waffle about meaningless hashrates & not knowing what information has been given but i personally gave all the info regarding cgminer, KNCs GUI and BTCGs pool rate. i also asked specifically where to find the HW% and you prefer to troll the tread rather than give a knowledgeable response. i'll cry you a river mate!! so long as u hop in a canoe & fuck off down stream in it I go with (HW*100)/A
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sickpig
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October 24, 2013, 03:57:00 PM |
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I go with (HW*100)/A
HW error % = HW/A+R+HW where HW = number of hw errors A = number of accepted R = number of rejected with 0.97 I got something like 10-11% after almost 20 hours, whereas before the same miner running with 0.95 I used to have 5-7%
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ASIC-K
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October 24, 2013, 03:57:05 PM |
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I think they will right their ship, but for many customers they are left in tough waters
I'm 9BTC down and still no miner. Not even going to get 1 day on current difficulty it looks like. Next difficulty is probably going to mean we are down to mining only 0.5BTC/day on a jupiter. So 2 days per bitcoin. In a couple of weeks, it'll take a week+/1btc. And KNC don't even as much as apologise, just say "We learned stuff", "you ain't getting shit from us for the losses we caused you - read the T&C's" and set up other business ventures for themselves. Sick of waiting and sick of KNC. man, you fucking whine a lot.
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Bargraphics
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October 24, 2013, 04:00:15 PM |
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I think they will right their ship, but for many customers they are left in tough waters
I'm 9BTC down and still no miner. Not even going to get 1 day on current difficulty it looks like. Next difficulty is probably going to mean we are down to mining only 0.5BTC/day on a jupiter. So 2 days per bitcoin. In a couple of weeks, it'll take a week+/1btc. And KNC don't even as much as apologise, just say "We learned stuff", "you ain't getting shit from us for the losses we caused you - read the T&C's" and set up other business ventures for themselves. Sick of waiting and sick of KNC. man, you fucking whine a lot. Last in Lines always do. (If he is even in line hah)
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Meizirkki
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October 24, 2013, 04:00:50 PM |
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I think they will right their ship, but for many customers they are left in tough waters
I'm 9BTC down and still no miner. Not even going to get 1 day on current difficulty it looks like. Next difficulty is probably going to mean we are down to mining only 0.5BTC/day on a jupiter. So 2 days per bitcoin. In a couple of weeks, it'll take a week+/1btc. And KNC don't even as much as apologise, just say "We learned stuff", "you ain't getting shit from us for the losses we caused you - read the T&C's" and set up other business ventures for themselves. Sick of waiting and sick of KNC. man, you fucking whine a lot. with all the right tho
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soy
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October 24, 2013, 04:07:48 PM |
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I go with (HW*100)/A
HW error % = HW/A+R+HW where HW = number of hw errors A = number of accepted R = number of rejected with 0.97 I got something like 10-11% after almost 20 hours, whereas before the same miner running with 0.95 I used to have 5-7% Thanks. That changes mine from ~4.4% down to ~4.1%. Although it doesn't agree with BertMod: Device Hardware%=4.9875 Device Rejected%=4.1048 Pool Rejected%=4.3372 Pool Stale%=0.0000
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sbfree
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October 24, 2013, 04:15:10 PM |
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I go with (HW*100)/A
HW error % = HW/A+R+HW where HW = number of hw errors A = number of accepted R = number of rejected with 0.97 I got something like 10-11% after almost 20 hours, whereas before the same miner running with 0.95 I used to have 5-7% Thanks. That changes mine from ~4.4% down to ~4.1%. Although it doesn't agree with BertMod: Device Hardware%=4.9875 Device Rejected%=4.1048 Pool Rejected%=4.3372 Pool Stale%=0.0000 thanks, that means I am still at 21%, spinning my wheels it feels
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sbfree
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October 24, 2013, 04:16:38 PM |
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is there a syslog on these things that i can forward to knc...figure out this 20% Hardware Error rate.....ridonkulous.
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soy
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October 24, 2013, 04:20:37 PM |
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I go with (HW*100)/A
HW error % = HW/A+R+HW where HW = number of hw errors A = number of accepted R = number of rejected with 0.97 I got something like 10-11% after almost 20 hours, whereas before the same miner running with 0.95 I used to have 5-7% Thanks. That changes mine from ~4.4% down to ~4.1%. Although it doesn't agree with BertMod: Device Hardware%=4.9875 Device Rejected%=4.1048 Pool Rejected%=4.3372 Pool Stale%=0.0000 thanks, that means I am still at 21%, spinning my wheels it feels Did you try firmware 0.90 then enablecores.bin? Are you forcing air onto the BBB? A warmish BBB will drop your hashrate.
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sickpig
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October 24, 2013, 04:23:23 PM |
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I go with (HW*100)/A
HW error % = HW/A+R+HW where HW = number of hw errors A = number of accepted R = number of rejected with 0.97 I got something like 10-11% after almost 20 hours, whereas before the same miner running with 0.95 I used to have 5-7% Thanks. That changes mine from ~4.4% down to ~4.1%. Although it doesn't agree with BertMod: Device Hardware%=4.9875 Device Rejected%=4.1048 Pool Rejected%=4.3372 Pool Stale%=0.0000 I use this formula because kano say so ;P don't remember where thou. Now i'm on my way home but as soon as i get there i'll search the link of the post where he explained how to compute varoius ratios.
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xyzzy099
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October 24, 2013, 04:23:57 PM |
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Did you try firmware 0.90 then enablecores.bin? Are you forcing air onto the BBB? A warmish BBB will drop your hashrate.
Why would a "warmish" BBB drop your hashrate?
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sickpig
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October 24, 2013, 04:28:23 PM |
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Did you try firmware 0.90 then enablecores.bin? Are you forcing air onto the BBB? A warmish BBB will drop your hashrate.
Why would a "warmish" BBB drop your hashrate? Field experience. Several board members report that adding intake airflow at the front bottom improve prformance. Look for DPoS posts in this and "knc jupiter first impression" thread
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xyzzy099
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October 24, 2013, 04:30:05 PM |
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Did you try firmware 0.90 then enablecores.bin? Are you forcing air onto the BBB? A warmish BBB will drop your hashrate.
Why would a "warmish" BBB drop your hashrate? Field experience. Several board members report that adding intake airflow at the front bottom improve prformance. Look for DPoS posts in this and "knc jupiter first impression" thread I would be interested to hear what the theory is behind that "field experience". On the face of it, that sounds ridiculous. I have seen stranger things though, so I am not gonna call BS just yet.
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Phoenix1969
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October 24, 2013, 04:33:23 PM |
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Did you try firmware 0.90 then enablecores.bin? Are you forcing air onto the BBB? A warmish BBB will drop your hashrate.
Why would a "warmish" BBB drop your hashrate? Field experience. Several board members report that adding intake airflow at the front bottom improve prformance. Look for DPoS posts in this and "knc jupiter first impression" thread I would be interested to hear what the theory is behind that "field experience". On the face of it, that sounds ridiculous. I have seen stranger things though, so I am not gonna call BS just yet. I think it was a lone customer... yes... others?
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DPoS
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October 24, 2013, 04:35:25 PM |
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i also asked specifically where to find the HW% and you prefer to troll the tread rather than give a knowledgeable response.
if want a few more stats on the status page do this: ( you'll need to move them to the /www dirs after each reboot) create a file named mining_stat.html_tmpl2 and place it in /config/ <div id="result" class="section"> <div class="col span_6_of_12"> <h4>Mining Status</h4> <table border="1"> <tr><td>CGMiner Status</td><td>#%#Status#%#</td></tr> <tr><td>Last Checked</td><td>#%#time#%#</td></tr> <tr><td>Avg. Hash Rate</td><td>#%#hashrate#%#</td></tr> <tr><td>WU</td><td>#%#workUtility#%#</td></tr> <tr><td>Hardware Error Rate</td><td>#%#deviceHardware#%#</td></tr> <tr><td>Difficulty Accepted</td><td>#%#difficultyAccepted#%#</td></tr> <tr><td>Hardware Errors</td><td>#%#hardwareErrors#%#</td></tr> <tr><td>Device Rejected Rate</td><td>#%#deviceRejected#%#</td></tr> <tr><td>Pool Rejected Rate</td><td>#%#poolRejected#%#</td></tr> <tr><td>PBS_comments</td><td>#%#pbsComments#%#</td></tr> </table> </div> <div class="col span_6_of_12"> <h4>HW Status</h4> #%#ASIC_STATUS#%# </div> </div>
then make another file called fetch_mining_stat.cgi and place it in /config/ #!/bin/sh #set -x
asic_status="<table border=\"1\">"
asic_stat_file=/var/run/stats.knc if [ -f $asic_stat_file ] ; then i=1 OIFS=$IFS IFS="=" while read status ; do set -- $status if [ "$1" != "" ] ; then if [ "$2" != "OFF" ] ; then asic_status="${asic_status}<tr><td>ASIC slot #$i</td><td>$2 \℃</td></tr>" i=`expr $i + 1` else asic_status="${asic_status}<tr><td>ASIC slot #$i</td><td>-</td></tr>" i=`expr $i + 1` fi fi done < $asic_stat_file IFS=$OIFS else for line in 1 2 3 4 5 6 ; do asic_status="${asic_status}<tr><td>ASIC slot #$i</td><td>-</td></tr>" done fi
asic_status="${asic_status}</table>"
killall -0 cgminer 2&> /dev/null if [ $? = 0 ] ; then pid=`pidof cgminer` tasks=`ls /proc/$pid/task/|wc -l` if [ $tasks -gt 1 ] ; then proc_running="Running (pid="$pid")" else proc_running="Halted (Check Miner Settings)" fi else proc_running="Stopped" fi
if [ "`echo $proc_running | grep Running`" != "" ] ; then data=`/usr/bin/api-cgminer -o` # check that connect to cgminer was ok if [ "$data" = "Socket connect failed: Connection refused" ] ; then proc_running="Running (Connect to CGMiner API failed)" break fi
IFS="," set -- $data for d in $data ; do IFS="=" set -- $d if [ "$1" = "When" ] ; then probe_time=`date -d @"$2"` elif [ "$1" = "MHS av" ] ; then hashrate="`expr ${2/.*} / 1000` Gh/s" elif [ "$1" = "Work Utility" ] ; then work_utility=${2/.*} elif [ "$1" = "Device Hardware%" ] ; then device_hardware=${2/.2*} elif [ "$1" = "Difficulty Accepted" ] ; then difficulty_accepted=${2/.*} elif [ "$1" = "Hardware Errors" ] ; then hardware_errors=${2/.*} elif [ "$1" = "Device Rejected%" ] ; then device_rejected=${2/.2*} elif [ "$1" = "Pool Rejected%" ] ; then pool_rejected=${2/.2*} elif [ "$1" = "Elapsed" ] ; then pbs_comments=${2/.*} fi done fi
sed ' s/#%#Status#%#/'"$proc_running"'/g s/#%#time#%#/'"$probe_time"'/g s!#%#hashrate#%#!'"$hashrate"'!g s/#%#workUtility#%#/'"$work_utility"'/g s/#%#deviceHardware#%#/'"$device_hardware"'/g s/#%#difficultyAccepted#%#/'"$difficulty_accepted"'/g s/#%#hardwareErrors#%#/'"$hardware_errors"'/g s/#%#deviceRejected#%#/'"$device_rejected"'/g s/#%#poolRejected#%#/'"$pool_rejected"'/g s/#%#pbsComments#%#/'"$pbs_comments"'/g s!#%#ASIC_STATUS#%#!'"$asic_status"'!g' < /www/tmpl/mining_stat.html_tmpl2
now copy the first file to /www/tmpl/ that won't change anything yet.. current one still being used. now copy the second file to /www/pages/cgi-bin/ once you do that, it will add some extra fields to show this:
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opentoe
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Personal text my ass....
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October 24, 2013, 04:37:22 PM |
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Is it me or does anyone think KNC not showing up here or in their own forums a bit odd? I mean literally missing in action here through-out this whole process with us. All we have had is very limited support through email and that's it. This really puts a sting on me and would really make me think about ordering anything from them again in the future. Granted, we have had some firmware updates but I don't believe cgminer is even fully %100 compatible with their miners. I bought 2 Saturn's from them. One for me and one for my Dad. My Dad contributed a little money into it and I feel horrible that he may not get his money back, because two months ago I kept telling him KNC will deliver on time for us. I guess I can't blame KNC %100 on that, since the difficulty is rising so fast who would of expecting going from $200/day to less then $25/day in 2 months.
Not sure why I'm even writing this, I guess I'm just venting a little and sorry about that.
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DPoS
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October 24, 2013, 04:38:42 PM |
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I would be interested to hear what the theory is behind that "field experience". On the face of it, that sounds ridiculous. I have seen stranger things though, so I am not gonna call BS just yet.
which was the main reason I didn't post it to the boards for 3 days and kept it to myself....
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