Bitcoin Forum
August 24, 2024, 11:40:43 PM *
News: Latest Bitcoin Core release: 27.1 [Torrent]
 
   Home   Help Search Login Register More  
Poll
Question: When will BTC get back above $70K:
7/14 - 0 (0%)
7/21 - 1 (1.1%)
7/28 - 11 (11.6%)
8/4 - 16 (16.8%)
8/11 - 7 (7.4%)
8/18 - 5 (5.3%)
8/25 - 7 (7.4%)
After August - 48 (50.5%)
Total Voters: 95

Pages: « 1 ... 27077 27078 27079 27080 27081 27082 27083 27084 27085 27086 27087 27088 27089 27090 27091 27092 27093 27094 27095 27096 27097 27098 27099 27100 27101 27102 27103 27104 27105 27106 27107 27108 27109 27110 27111 27112 27113 27114 27115 27116 27117 27118 27119 27120 27121 27122 27123 27124 27125 27126 [27127] 27128 27129 27130 27131 27132 27133 27134 27135 27136 27137 27138 27139 27140 27141 27142 27143 27144 27145 27146 27147 27148 27149 27150 27151 27152 27153 27154 27155 27156 27157 27158 27159 27160 27161 27162 27163 27164 27165 27166 27167 27168 27169 27170 27171 27172 27173 27174 27175 27176 27177 ... 33673 »
  Print  
Author Topic: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion  (Read 26447482 times)
This is a self-moderated topic. If you do not want to be moderated by the person who started this topic, create a new topic. (174 posts by 3 users with 9 merit deleted.)
Last of the V8s
Legendary
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 1652
Merit: 4392


Be a bank


View Profile
September 16, 2020, 07:36:48 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WrR95PFYDFQ Pomp Podcast #385: Michael Saylor On Buying Bitcoin With His Balance Sheet

really fascinating stuff
Cryptotourist
Hero Member
*****
Offline Offline

Activity: 1190
Merit: 755


Homo Sapiens Bitcoinerthalensis


View Profile
September 16, 2020, 07:41:01 PM

From what I've read, isn't the Ukraine pretty big into Bitcoin? Including many members of the govt there?

Probably talking about Bulgaria. In Ukraine it's illegal. Tongue

https://www.coindesk.com/bulgarian-government-sitting-3-billion-bitcoin
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legality_of_bitcoin_by_country_or_territory#Northern_Europe
Last of the V8s
Legendary
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 1652
Merit: 4392


Be a bank


View Profile
September 16, 2020, 07:44:50 PM

Or beautiful Belarus, where it's largely untaxed, or Kazakhstan, where the gov is mining... One of these places.
btw the Bulgarian btc was reportedly snaffled by a bureaucrat
JL0
Full Member
***
Offline Offline

Activity: 817
Merit: 158


Bitcoin the Digital Gold


View Profile
September 16, 2020, 07:50:52 PM

Kraken Becomes First Crypto Exchange to Become a US Bank

https://www.coindesk.com/kraken-crypto-exchange-secures-bank-charter-under-wyoming-law
Torque
Legendary
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 3668
Merit: 5232



View Profile
September 16, 2020, 07:52:03 PM
Last edit: September 16, 2020, 08:18:58 PM by Torque

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WrR95PFYDFQ Pomp Podcast #385: Michael Saylor On Buying Bitcoin With His Balance Sheet

really fascinating stuff

Fast forward to 22:30 if you want to hear his explanation of why he tweeted against Bitcoin in 2013 vs. now.

Basically he says "I really don't remember tweeting it then. Yes, I'm an idiot."  Cheesy

I also stand corrected, he mentions building up $600M cash reserve on the balance sheet over the years. Wow. That's being super frugal as a small company.  Shocked

@45:30 he discusses finally "getting Bitcoin".

So his company has all this cash in the bank, and he starts seeing inflation and zero interest rates eating it away (7-8% per year). That was his impetus for swapping the cash balance for Bitcoin. Interesting. Smart.
JayJuanGee
Legendary
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 3822
Merit: 10739


Self-Custody is a right. Say no to"Non-custodial"


View Profile
September 16, 2020, 07:59:31 PM
Merited by LFC_Bitcoin (1), AlcoHoDL (1)

Bakkt Tuesday's numbers: Volume: 17 745 BTC ($192.84 million, +61%)  (New ATH)

https://twitter.com/BakktBot/status/1306115788995260424

Remember the dissapointment of the first day with volume of several bitcoins? Well, this escalated quite fast to the levels of the biggest exchanges! And this is still unnoticed among the other 'hot' news about defi and microshares. Defi is having currently around 100 000BTC locked into smart contracts and rising of course. More and more serious investors and companies are accumulating bitcoins causing a shortage on the spot exchanges. Good times are coming and the bears know it! Of course they will fight desperately between 10K and 20K to be able to buy cheap coins as long as possible. But when the ATH is breached, the real FOMO will start. Then the SEC morons like Jay Clayton will realise that invetstors do not need their approval to invest in Bitcoin. The obstacles they've built are not applied for Bitcoin. Peeps like Clayton and Mnuchin are bastards of the fiat adultery, while we are the true heirs of the only asset that will survive and get stronger with time.

So, are there any knife catchers left trying to gain from 5 min 1-2% drops? They must be completely blinded and not being able to see the big picture. It is funny how such plankton is coming here to boast with a leverage short profit. It is like a child boasting with his 2+2=4 calculation to a professor who invented a new branch in math. I don't know to laugh or to pity such n00bs. Especially, considering that 90% of the Binance trades are of sums below 0.01 BTC. And even if they make a profit on the first trade, the second will  be a loss to devour both their profit and their investment. Patetik and Haaalerius!

Best post I’ve seen in days, love it. The bold bit really made me genuinely laugh, it reminds me of this -

Humpback Whale = 5000 BTC or more
Whale = 1000 - 5000 BTC
Shark = 500 - 1000 BTC
Dolphin = 100 - 500 BTC
Fish = 50 - 100 BTC
Octopus = 10 - 50 BTC
Crab = 1 - 10 BTC
Shrimp = less then 1 BTC
https://www.deeponion.org/community/threads/what-kind-of-bitcoin-holder-are-you.9129/%3famp=1510623395




Where my shrimps at?

Here's a working thread:
https://deeponion.org/community/threads/what-kind-of-bitcoin-holder-are-you.9129/

That's a November 2017 thread - and seems to me that we need new categories.. I am not sure how far down, maybe down to 1 satoshi?

And, crabs, octopussies and fishes are likely to be quite a BIG category and with decent difficulties to acquire for normies in the coming years (if NOT already difficult to acquire in current times, as I type for those who are just hearing about king daddy)
nullius
Copper Member
Hero Member
*****
Offline Offline

Activity: 630
Merit: 2614


If you don’t do PGP, you don’t do crypto!


View Profile WWW
September 16, 2020, 08:00:56 PM

You know why an IT company like Snowflake (SNOW) can IPO with a stock price ~$250/share, instead of something like $1/share or even $0.01/share?

Doesn’t the name of the company say it all?


Snowflake investors are smart, mature, individually empowered people with high self-esteems and excellent Mental Health™.  They don’t have their heads in the cloud.  It’s not as if they could get caught up in an avalanche of FOMO, or anything like that.

#thestockmarketisafraud

That, too.

Anyway, isn’t it well-known that many Wall Street types are addicted to SNOW?
Hueristic
Legendary
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 3920
Merit: 5249


Doomed to see the future and unable to prevent it


View Profile
September 16, 2020, 08:09:49 PM

New poll. Sorry I've been slacking on my WO duties  Kiss



Might have to pull out a rusty pipe for you slacking in them there unpaid duties.
nullius
Copper Member
Hero Member
*****
Offline Offline

Activity: 630
Merit: 2614


If you don’t do PGP, you don’t do crypto!


View Profile WWW
September 16, 2020, 08:15:04 PM

Humpback Whale = 5000 BTC or more
Whale = 1000 - 5000 BTC
Shark = 500 - 1000 BTC
Dolphin = 100 - 500 BTC
Fish = 50 - 100 BTC
Octopus = 10 - 50 BTC
Crab = 1 - 10 BTC
Shrimp = less then 1 BTC
https://www.deeponion.org/community/threads/what-kind-of-bitcoin-holder-are-you.9129/%3famp=1510623395

Here's a working thread:
https://deeponion.org/community/threads/what-kind-of-bitcoin-holder-are-you.9129/

Deeponion is a red-tag scam, and I think that I have seen that taxonomy elsewhere; I haven’t tried to track it down, but I doubt that it be original to their forum.
Searing
Copper Member
Legendary
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 2898
Merit: 1464


Clueless!


View Profile
September 16, 2020, 08:18:15 PM

New poll. Sorry I've been slacking on my WO duties  Kiss



We on WO all really know what is going on ...and how you are making the 'big bucks' on here....with the rubber room/whips and the extreme torture

of making folk (for $$$) endure such while making them read aloud all the WO posts as we post on WO in real-time.....

devilishly clever as a torture and S & M business...well played, well played indeed! Smiley

ack!...the horror! ..which reminds me I have to setup my next *cough* appointment. Smiley
Toxic2040
Legendary
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 1792
Merit: 4141



View Profile
September 16, 2020, 08:24:46 PM

New poll. Sorry I've been slacking on my WO duties  Kiss



We on WO all really know what is going on ...and how you are making the 'big bucks' on here....with the rubber room/whips and the extreme torture

of making folk (for $$$) endure such while making them read aloud all the WO posts as we post on WO in real-time.....

devilishly clever as a torture and S & M business...well played, well played indeed! Smiley

ack!...the horror! ..which reminds me I have to setup my next *cough* appointment. Smiley



JayJuanGee
Legendary
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 3822
Merit: 10739


Self-Custody is a right. Say no to"Non-custodial"


View Profile
September 16, 2020, 08:26:32 PM


moonshot 14k by oct 1

and ath soon after.


I thought about this a lot. And i am pretty sure that is going to happen.

Don't tell me that your thoughts are able to predict the future.  I am not going to believe it.    Tongue

[ edited out]

I trust this prediction, @philipma1957
..so that segwit wasn't the end of btc, after all Wink

My take: short term traders will push btc up 40-50% pretty soon with a plan to then switch over to 'another coin' and ride the up wave another 50%. I don't particularly care about this strategy...staying put, but the outlined scenario would likely to happen (either fully or to a degree).

You have a similar outline in your thinkenings.  Shocked

Must be dee true, den.
bkbirge
Sr. Member
****
Offline Offline

Activity: 1197
Merit: 482



View Profile
September 16, 2020, 08:30:34 PM
Merited by JayJuanGee (1), LFC_Bitcoin (1)

Humpback Whale = 5000 BTC or more
Whale = 1000 - 5000 BTC
Shark = 500 - 1000 BTC
Dolphin = 100 - 500 BTC
Fish = 50 - 100 BTC
Octopus = 10 - 50 BTC
Crab = 1 - 10 BTC
Shrimp = less then 1 BTC
seems to me that we need new categories.. I am not sure how far down, maybe down to 1 satoshi?

Shrimp = 0.1 < BTC <= 1 BTC
Krill = 0.01 < BTC <= 0.1 BTC
Bacterioplankton = 0 < BTC <= 0.01
Brain eating amoeba = 0 BTC

philipma1957
Legendary
*
Online Online

Activity: 4228
Merit: 8383


'The right to privacy matters'


View Profile WWW
September 16, 2020, 08:32:30 PM


moonshot 14k by oct 1

and ath soon after.


I thought about this a lot. And i am pretty sure that is going to happen.

Don't tell me that your thoughts are able to predict the future.  I am not going to believe it.    Tongue

Yes they can and very often do so. I know it is hard to believe so I don't talk about it a lot as most people would think I am kidding or I am crazy.

In this case I am simply giving all on the thread a chance to load up.

  Especially proudhon this post is dedicated to him with an honorable mention to mindrust as they both could make some nice profit here.
aesma
Hero Member
*****
Offline Offline

Activity: 2506
Merit: 946


fly or die


View Profile
September 16, 2020, 08:35:37 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WrR95PFYDFQ Pomp Podcast #385: Michael Saylor On Buying Bitcoin With His Balance Sheet

really fascinating stuff

Fast forward to 22:30 if you want to hear his explanation of why he tweeted against Bitcoin in 2013 vs. now.

Basically he says "I really don't remember tweeting it then. Yes, I'm an idiot."  Cheesy

I also stand corrected, he mentions building up $600M cash reserve on the balance sheet over the years. Wow. That's being super frugal as a small company.  Shocked

@45:30 he discusses finally "getting Bitcoin".

So his company has all this cash in the bank, and he starts seeing inflation and zero interest rates eating it away (7-8% per year). That was his impetus for swapping the cash balance for Bitcoin. Interesting. Smart.

At an average of 100$ in 2013 he could have saved his company 470$ millions ^^
vapourminer
Legendary
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 4438
Merit: 3853


what is this "brake pedal" you speak of?


View Profile
September 16, 2020, 09:10:03 PM

Humpback Whale = 5000 BTC or more
Whale = 1000 - 5000 BTC
Shark = 500 - 1000 BTC
Dolphin = 100 - 500 BTC
Fish = 50 - 100 BTC
Octopus = 10 - 50 BTC
Crab = 1 - 10 BTC
Shrimp = less then 1 BTC
seems to me that we need new categories.. I am not sure how far down, maybe down to 1 satoshi?

Shrimp = 0.1 < BTC <= 1 BTC
Krill = 0.01 < BTC <= 0.1 BTC
Bacterioplankton = 0 < BTC <= 0.01
Brain eating amoeba = 0 BTC


mindrust fish = used to have btc
nullius
Copper Member
Hero Member
*****
Offline Offline

Activity: 630
Merit: 2614


If you don’t do PGP, you don’t do crypto!


View Profile WWW
September 16, 2020, 09:11:08 PM
Last edit: September 16, 2020, 09:35:54 PM by nullius
Merited by JayJuanGee (1)

At an average of 100$ in 2013 he could have saved his company 470$ millions ^^
could have

Hey.  At negligible extra electricity cost on computers running anyway, I “could have” made more than that (anonymously!) by idle-mining a mere 855 blocks back in 2009–10.  Figuring at current USD/BTC rates—on a total HoDLing that “would have” exceeded MicroStrategy’s current total acquisitions.

So many people “could have”!

Hindsight, etc.

So, Saylor is now doing what he can do now.  So am I.  So are you.

Basically he says "[...] Yes, I'm an idiot."  Cheesy

[...] @45:30 he discusses finally "getting Bitcoin".

Edited to add:

Many people missed out just by not paying attention.  (For my part, I don’t want to say exactly when I became conscious of Bitcoin—but I was aware of the cryptography list, and an occasional lurker there.  Thus, I “could have” even been in Bitcoin from 2009-01-03—while we are on the subject of “could have”.)

To have idle-mined even one block, and just backed up the keys (an easy concept for anyone familiar with PGP, etc.), would now be worth $550k.  And growing.  For a cost that would have been, as a practical matter, effectively zero.  Even those who saw Bitcoin as a toy “could have” hedged that way—just in case it turned into something valuable.

Everybody in the world potentially has a “could have” story here.  So, Saylor’s is that his company could have bought the same amount of Bitcoin for $470m less.  Eh.  Big deal.  He didn’t do it.
xhomerx10
Legendary
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 3948
Merit: 8501



View Profile
September 16, 2020, 09:38:22 PM

Oh, I could do more.  I could probably eat every other day, sell the car, sell the home, live in a tent and cycle to work.
Hmmm...
aesma
Hero Member
*****
Offline Offline

Activity: 2506
Merit: 946


fly or die


View Profile
September 16, 2020, 09:40:16 PM

Yeah I also heard about it (or rather read something on the internet) early on but I didn't open that link, or maybe I opened the tab but saved it for later... When I finally got to it it was about 350$, still cheap, however I was poor back then, on benefits in fact, so not ideal to buy a bag.

Depending on where the price is going in the next decade or two, I could still have a life changing amount.

Of course for Saylor it's not life changing either way.

edit : the worst part is that from my teen years end of the 1990s up to 2013 I was running a couple of CPUs and GPUs on SETI@home, and when at school I installed that on dozens of computers... Not that I regret doing SETI, it's still what led me to mining, but what I was doing was so close to mining already !
JayJuanGee
Legendary
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 3822
Merit: 10739


Self-Custody is a right. Say no to"Non-custodial"


View Profile
September 16, 2020, 11:06:11 PM
Last edit: September 16, 2020, 11:30:48 PM by JayJuanGee

Wow... The price seems to have held up really well over 11k even through some pretty heavy selling over the previous hour.  The buyers are definitely there at 11.  Interesting.

Very interesting indeed.



Must be more buyers than sellers.  



I don't know.

Most people think a government ban is the biggest risk to bitcoin. But with MicroStrategy now having a third of it's market cap in bitcoin, do you really think governments will tank stock markets? Risk of ban will get smaller and smaller when more listed companies follow MSTR.

https://twitter.com/100trillionusd/status/1306119800255639559?s=21

If Apple and Microsoft announce a long term holding position in BTC

Along with Samsung ,AMD and Nvidia.

500k a coin could happen.

Something to dream about.

I am sorry to be such a miserable pleb.  But I really need that to happen.  My job is killing me today.  It is sucking the soul out of me through my ass and grinding it into a fine pulp.  And I have never been a trader, and am probably almost as good at the titanium plates exercise as Bob, and have lived through all the booms and busts, and have very rarely complained.

But I might not be able to make it to the moon.  I can't take much more than this.  I think I am going to either go insane and end up on the news, and in jail or dead, or just in the water under some tall bridge.

I know money does not buy happiness.  In fact it sort of seems like it might challenge it, lol.  But it *DOES* allow one to stop being a slave making someone else money.


What is your fuck you level that you would need?  $6million, like Biodom?

At $500k per coin, you would need 12 coins bare minimum, but recently, I had been suggesting that it is better to use the 200 Week moving average as the calculator for whether you have reached fuck you status.. assuming that you can project what level you need.

The 200 week moving average is moving up pretty quick, it is like $100 to $200 per week, and currently it is at about $6,700.. so that would be good for some peeps with at least 298.5 coins.  I have been using $2 million as a good approximation of fuck you status.. perhaps 10 years ago, $1 million could have been sufficient, but times have changed a bit.

Of course, if we were to go up to $500k quickly, there is no way in hell that the 200 week moving average would catch up very quickly... especially since the 200 week moving average represents approximately a  4 year average (on the weekly candle).

Even if it took 4 years to go from here to $500k, probably the moving average would still be somewhere in the middle, if NOT a bit on the lower side of the middle, so anyhow, I am still currently thinking that giving bitcoin's ongoing volatility and ongoing likelihood to continue to be volatile, we need to use something like the 200 week moving average to figure our bottom - of course, unless we are completely cashing out of BTC, and personally, I do not recommend that kind of nonsense.

I am sorry to be such a miserable pleb.  But I really need that to happen.  My job is killing me today.  It is sucking the soul out of me through my ass and grinding it into a fine pulp.  And I have never been a trader, and am probably almost as good at the titanium plates exercise as Bob, and have lived through all the booms and busts, and have very rarely complained.

But I might not be able to make it to the moon.  I can't take much more than this.  I think I am going to either go insane and end up on the news, and in jail or dead, or just in the water under some tall bridge.

I know money does not buy happiness.  In fact it sort of seems like it might challenge it, lol.  But it *DOES* allow one to stop being a slave making someone else money.

How much fiat do you need to take out during the expected parabolic stage next year?

$2,000,000 - $3,000,000?

Money doesn’t buy happiness but it gives you options. Being broke doesn’t make you happy either.

That is a decently BIG question.  Personally, I would expect that the amount that any of us might take out should not exceed what we would need within the next 3-4 years, and that would be extreme... Of course, if there is some kind of BIG expense item, then that would end up skewing the amount with a lump sum amount too.. and I suppose that is precalculated to be a reasonable amount of withdrawal.   

Personally, I would be willing to keep more in bitcoin and maybe if nervous take out 2-3 years worth of living expenses rather than a BIGGER chunk.

I have not completely thought about these kinds of withdrawals because my expected strategy was going to continue to be to merely take out between 1-3 months at a time, as needed... but I can see why it might be practical to take out up to two years at a time..

I will have to give some further thoughts to these ideas a bit more when I start to think about withdrawing more.. and sure there is some potential need to think about cashflow considerations for 2-4 years in advance and perhaps longer.. but I am thinking that if the cashflow horizon is 4 years or more, then why not just keep that portion in BTC and let BTC do its thingie-ma-jiggie, whatever that might be, but I am personally thinking that i don't even really feel any need to take out great quantities in this particular upcoming 4-year cycle. 

Will I regret it?  Not sure.  Might be worth some potential tweakening thoughts.
Pages: « 1 ... 27077 27078 27079 27080 27081 27082 27083 27084 27085 27086 27087 27088 27089 27090 27091 27092 27093 27094 27095 27096 27097 27098 27099 27100 27101 27102 27103 27104 27105 27106 27107 27108 27109 27110 27111 27112 27113 27114 27115 27116 27117 27118 27119 27120 27121 27122 27123 27124 27125 27126 [27127] 27128 27129 27130 27131 27132 27133 27134 27135 27136 27137 27138 27139 27140 27141 27142 27143 27144 27145 27146 27147 27148 27149 27150 27151 27152 27153 27154 27155 27156 27157 27158 27159 27160 27161 27162 27163 27164 27165 27166 27167 27168 27169 27170 27171 27172 27173 27174 27175 27176 27177 ... 33673 »
  Print  
 
Jump to:  

Powered by MySQL Powered by PHP Powered by SMF 1.1.19 | SMF © 2006-2009, Simple Machines Valid XHTML 1.0! Valid CSS!