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September 17, 2020, 07:59:52 PM
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The confirmed science and math that Satoshi didn't understand has to do with how poorly this system functions as a currency. We tried it for a few years. It doesn't work. It's only a bad speculative vehicle, which now people realize and have been dumping for 4 years. The project failed. Neat idea, but fractional reserve banking is clearly better based on all proven and confirmed science and math. I'm glad Satoshi tried this out, but now we know it doesn't work and we can go back to the way things are proven to work best.

Too bad Satoshi wasn't a smart guy like Craig Wright.

To be fair, for the entire interval of satoshi's public involvement, transaction volume never came anywhere near the (relatively very high level for the time) blocksize cap that he enacted under prodding from his most significant collaborator.

Plus, he explicitly explained exactly how trivial it would be to increase said blocksize cap such that transaction volume was never artificially throttled. Extending to exemplary code. To the eventual exasperation of those of us who would like the system to exceed such exceedingly tiny limits. As reliance on such economicallly braindead external exigencies is extreme folly.
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September 17, 2020, 08:13:43 PM

My little fishy seems to have swum in to some cold water  Roll Eyes
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I've been there.

Though the label be-ith green. I like my Bulleit in the Rye variant.
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September 17, 2020, 08:28:55 PM

Some of us are well into the divestment phase.

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Laf it up, funny guy/gal. You have absolutely no fckin clue.

Incidentally, did yer momma not teach you that casting grotesque humor at others' phenotypes is rong?
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September 17, 2020, 09:05:31 PM

Race to 12800 continues...



Really hope that 2020 top tops the 2019 top... still have 3.5 months for that.

Now Phil_S, if you had started each of those lines at the same place, on your nearly 2 year trajectory, you would likely see a bit of a different visual - not that I am suggesting that January of 2019 would be a good starting point (in terms of how representative, such starting point would be).

Here is an approximation of a chart that goes back 2 years and each starts at the same place.   

However, i do believe that anywhere between mid-2016 and September 2017 would, more or less, serve as a relatively fair starting point to start them each out at the same place and then to show percentage changes in each of them... from that point to present.  Correlated, or no?  I don't think so.

Here is an approximation of a chart that goes back 4 years and each starts at the same place.   

Another good starting point might be anywhere in 2012  - or even 2013 (though mid 2013 would probably be more representative than the March /April 2013 price peak.

Here is an approximation of a chart that goes back 8 years and each starts at the same place.   

Do you notice a pattern?

The further that you go back with the data, the more it appears that they lines are diverging from one another... even though they might look like they line up on shorter time horizons.

Sure, some peeps are going to want to argue that any of the starting points for measuring would be unfair, and part of the point is that bitcoin remains a fucking unfair investment.  Bitcoin remains an asymmetric bet that, so far, has been paying off quite stupendously for those who have been adventurous enough to create a plan, start to execute such plan and to stick with it, and in that regard, king daddy shows little to no signs that such asymmetric bet is going to stop or to slow down in its tendency to pay off for those with patience, willingness to act and to stick to a plan while maybe at the same time able to look at how the longer terms play out.   

In fact, to me, there seems to be a bit of a coiling going on currently in bitcoinlandia... Can you see it?  Can you see it?
 
I understand that maybe there can be some frustrations in showing BTC comparative data for longer periods of time because there seems to be a tendency that the price movements on the BTC part of the chart shows a lot of movements, and the equities and the gold portions have tendencies to remain relatively flat and to get dwarfed by BTC with the passage of time.

Sure those other assets, such as gold and equities are tending to trend upwards, but still... dwarfed,** right?

**Dwarfed means that you can barely see the equities and gold portions of the chart relative to the BTC portion.


What does all of this mean?  hm?



Coiling?  Correlated?

 Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
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We’re certainly having to be far more patient this time around, compared to previous bull runs. I’m not the most patient person IRL but when it comes to The Corn, I have developed over the years an unfathomably strong ability to patience-HODL.

If you can develop a similarly strength, it seems guaranteed that the rewards will be immense. It’s just a matter of time. More specifically, how long can you remain patient? That variable will determine the degree to which btc will reward you. How big a reward you need is up to you.

That was my thought for the day while out for a run and microdosing
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I know money does not buy happiness.  In fact it sort of seems like it might challenge it, lol.  But it *DOES* allow one to stop being a slave making someone else money.

money buys convenience and time (as in time to gauge the situation and plan accordingly..) and sometimes health. but happiness is where you find it and mainly a state of mind,. ive been poor and happy. well not poor as in starving to the point of deaths door but poor to the point where i did wonder what the next meal would consist of and when it would happen.. that is the suck im the 1st to admit.

anyway sorry to hear about that. i wont pull the "dont worry youll be fine" bit; thats an insult. but hang in there, we coiners have the advantage, we just need to ride it out a bit more.  doesnt mean its easy in the now though or that it will be guaranteed. just better odds than the nocoiners have.

Well, yes.

Sometimes we do just need to plod along in the here and now.   There was one point in my life that I had hung a goal on my bedpost, and my idea was to look at that goal every day and to make sure that every day I was doing something to make progress towards that goal.  The early stages of my engaging in that goal oriented behavior was to help me to go to university and to get through university - but surely, these days there are a lot of people who believe that university is not necessary - and surely for some people they might not need university, and other people may be helped by university... at least, helping them to be able to help themselves.  I am not proclaiming to have been the most productive in the world, but sometimes we can toil day by day and attempt to make progress little by little.. towards whatever goal(s) we make for ourselves (individually chosen, of course).
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This is another one of those news items that kind of just drifts by us as the world drastically changes.

I think soon we leave the gradually part of gradually, then suddenly.
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I've been there.

Though the label be-ith green. I like my Bulleit in the Rye variant.

Oh yeah alcohol in the pool.... That's a good idea if you like accidentally drowning. Roll Eyes

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September 17, 2020, 11:45:28 PM



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re:Now what?


#dyor
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SARS-CoV-2 genetically engineered .... confirmed

https://zenodo.org/record/4028830#.X19xByXZglR

... and probably Sars-CoV original in 2002-03.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ETkxOTDT1_M

As I said at the outset, humans are historically only known to be susceptible a total of 4 coronaviruses (in ~ million years of evolutionary co-existent with coronaviruses), in reality only really 2 coronaviruses historically have been well-adapted to humans. .... until genetic recombination engineering comes along ... the rest is history, suddenly fucking 'novel' coronaviruses infecting humans every decade. Virologists should be hanged for monkeying (playing god) with humanity's genetic evolutionary future.
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September 18, 2020, 12:48:17 AM

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Its so good two C you’re hi regard for proper use of the English language!  I like it alot.

Some of us are well into the divestment phase.

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Laf it up, funny guy/gal. You have absolutely no fckin clue.

Incidentally, did yer momma male, female, or non-binary gender identified parent not teach you that casting grotesque humor at others' phenotypes is rong?

Please don’t use offensive, exclusionary, cis-normative language that implies outdated gender rôles and cis-normative, heteronormative family structures.  Thank you.

I am so very, beary sorry that I hurt your feelings with my racially insensitive image of a dead bear.  Would it be better if I were to keep it along the lines of, “An Irishman, a Jew, and an Ursine Divestor walk into a bar...”?  The punch line must involve one being drunk, one being rich, and one getting killed selling his bitcoins—zing!



Whoops, not sorry.





Time for other replies later—I hope (famous last words).  Interesting posts are flying by...
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So long as nullius pleases nullius, then who gives any shits?

Oh yeah, i forgots mi lil selfie about dee off-springenings.

Oops.  Embarrassed

If Apple and Microsoft announce a long term holding position in BTC

Along with Samsung ,AMD and Nvidia.

500k a coin could happen.

Something to dream about.

Grin you forgot to add Berkshire Hathaway
And I'm not sarcastic.
They've just stepped into gold at least indirectly: 560M$ or something like that ( https://www.marketwatch.com/story/warren-buffett-undergoes-a-conversion-on-gold-should-you-follow-him-2020-08-17 ).

A similarly sized position in BTC is not out of the question, and apart from mechanical market effects, it would certainly have huge "marketing" consequences when it gets disclosed at the end of the quarter.

Would be the smarter move, but who said that Warren Buffet is smart?   Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
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SARS-CoV-2 genetically engineered .... confirmed

https://zenodo.org/record/4028830#.X19xByXZglR


I have no strong opinion either way (and I'm bored to death with this topic continually returning to the WO) but I'm curious to know why you have decided to believe a non-peer reviewed article which accuses peer-reviewed scientific journals of being censored? An honest curiosity.

Also, the very first line of this paper undermines its own credibility by stating that "COVID-19 has caused a world-wide pandemic, the scale and severity of which are unprecedented." The authors either don't understand the meaning of the word unprecedented, or are deliberately ignoring precedents in the form of previous pandemics of greater scale and severity.

But anyway, I'm now even more bored of this topic than before, and slightly ashamed of having responded. As such, I'm off for a sleep hodl.
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September 18, 2020, 01:51:00 AM
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You would think an MIT grad and subsequent computer simulations modeler would've understood Bitcoin back in 2013.

I'm no MIT grad and I got it almost immediately back then.

Hell within a few days of research, I completely understood how groundbreaking a breakthrough it was, and how it would fundamentally change the financial world.

While that all makes sense, one must first actually stick their head in the rabbit hole before one can start to understand.

edit: 'tis one of my regrets that I did not give the rabbit hole more than a cursory glance at first sight. Oh well. C'est la guerre.

Huh, jbreher?

What's your rabbit hole story?  You may have said.  I cannot remember specifics.

You did not start buying BTC right away?  At least small amounts?  You may have sold too many too soon.  I think that i heard you reveal something like that, previously.

I have probably been interacting with you since mid-to-late 2014.. perhaps early 2015, and seems that you had accumulated some BTC in Bitcoin's pre-2013 era.

Sure, maybe a lot of us do not accumulate as many BTC as we retroactively conclude that we should have, and of course, June 2011 would have given you a whole year to accumulate single digit BTC and then a bit more than another 1/2 year to acquire BTC in the teens (below $20).

So, sure, there could have been some selling too much too soon (to the extent that you acquired very many).  

Another problem that seems to have been present in those early days would have been feeling comfortable with locations to buy, and by the time I got in late 2013, Coinbase had been decently established and in operation for a bit over a year from what I can see from my research..  So, Coinbase was pretty easy for me, even though they had buy limits, I don't recall running too heavily up against those limits, for some reason (although the first 30 days or so was the worst, while they were validating my account).
 Anyhow, the introduction of exchanges like Coinbase, and then Circle in 2014 and Gemini in 2015 (and sure some other exchanges, depending on location, too) did seem to help some peeps onboarding quite a bit easier in those early days of uncertainty regarding just how to safely to get a hold of some little fiends.

Some of us are well into the divestment phase.  

Probably one of the first times that you mentioned that mostly "divestment phase" perspective of yourself.   Shocked Shocked

Could be one of the reasons that you seem to have a decent amount of relative valuing of dollars rather than bitcoin?  Can't completely blame you for that without knowing many mOAR details.

On the other hand, such a purported status would not seem to justify your seeming tendency to have been spending many years gambling with long shot bcash nonsenses.

But, hey, many of us retain some amounts of internal contradictions in order to stay "interesting."  

Likely, I presuming that many of us are also familiar with that expression about consistency and hobgoblins.  Wink

The confirmed science and math that Satoshi didn't understand has to do with how poorly this system functions as a currency. We tried it for a few years. It doesn't work. It's only a bad speculative vehicle, which now people realize and have been dumping for 4 years. The project failed. Neat idea, but fractional reserve banking is clearly better based on all proven and confirmed science and math. I'm glad Satoshi tried this out, but now we know it doesn't work and we can go back to the way things are proven to work best.

Too bad Satoshi wasn't a smart guy like Craig Wright.

To be fair, for the entire interval of satoshi's public involvement, transaction volume never came anywhere near the (relatively very high level for the time) blocksize cap that he enacted under prodding from his most significant collaborator.

Plus, he explicitly explained exactly how trivial it would be to increase said blocksize cap such that transaction volume was never artificially throttled. Extending to exemplary code. To the eventual exasperation of those of us who would like the system to exceed such exceedingly tiny limits. As reliance on such economicallly braindead external exigencies is extreme folly.

Those appeal to authority (attempted) BIG block arguments should be recognized as long rejected in terms of the costs of BIG blocks outweigh much if any benefits that could be derived from such BIG blocks, even if there were supposed benefits to such seemingly nonsensical and ongoing persistent disingenuous claims.

In other words, pretty much long settled that BIG blocks are not the way to go, whether we are talking about propagation times or inclusiveness of "little people."

I think that BIG blockers continue to persist with such nonsense arguments is that they are trying to preserve value in their bcash bags and justify any further pumpenings of either of those crap coins, to the extent that there are anyone willing to pump them (or to get retail interested in unwittingly supporting such scams).
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September 18, 2020, 02:16:45 AM

My little fishy seems to have swum in to some cold water  Roll Eyes

Not good.  Angry

You better warm up such "lil fishy" or take some drugs at ur age (I mean get dee lil fishy to take some drugs).

Maybe you could get jbreher to help you out...? #nohomo.



We’re certainly having to be far more patient this time around, compared to previous bull runs. I’m not the most patient person IRL but when it comes to The Corn, I have developed over the years an unfathomably strong ability to patience-HODL.

If you can develop a similarly strength, it seems guaranteed that the rewards will be immense. It’s just a matter of time. More specifically, how long can you remain patient? That variable will determine the degree to which btc will reward you. How big a reward you need is up to you.

That was my thought for the day while out for a run and microdosing

Having personally lived through 2014/2015 and 2016, I feel way more relieved this time around as compared with that phase.

Sure, we had our lil Covid correction of March12 - but other than that, we have had some stupendous rebounds - including 3.5x price appreciation April to June 2019.. .Holy fucking shit.. never got anything like that in 2015.  On October 25, 2019, we also got a $3,000 price bump in 12 hours from $7,200 to $10,300.. which felt good man...   

I just don't feel that this particular situation has been as grueling, and for some reason, it seems as if the BTC price could have gone lower or stayed lower for longer, and it did not.

I just cannot consider this particular time around to have been grueling, so far, and sure, I would like some alt coins to get purged a bit more, but does not really seem to be happening, and I am not really sure if such purging is necessary.. I will be o.k. either way.. .
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I feel like many here are simply jelly of @jbreher and his whale-ness.
I am always eager to hear a person with a different (chain) point of view.
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September 18, 2020, 02:35:25 AM

I feel like many here are simply jelly of @jbreher and his whale-ness.
I am always eager to hear a person with a different (chain) point of view.


Of course.  Coddle the

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