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[nullius]

Not your keys Not your coins.
Personally I dont know why people are selling?
Just take your BTC off the exchange.

Good point.

I suppose that now, we get to see how many traders on Bitmex and other exchanges are just in it to stack more dollars, and don’t give a hoot about Bitcoin.  Those will probably be the ones who panic-sell on the news—regardless of whether or not their own coins are even at risk.

Or do most people using Bitmex dont have personal wallets?
What gives?

Personal Wallet?  Keys?  What’s that?

Apparently they hold 193K BTC in their wallets!
[...]
Apparently it's a 3 of 4 setup, so yes, one more arrest and those coins are gone (not really, but you got that one)

Wow.  It seems somebody forgot the engineering balance between security and availability.  Whereas availability is a security issue.  Locking 193k BTC of Other People’s Money into a wallet that can be lost with the loss of 2 individuals—that sounds like a vulnerability to DOS a fortune!

Do any two keyholders ever travel together?  Perhaps on an airplane?  Are any two keyholders ever in the same room?

Security and availability is another one of those issues that I intended to write about, on the subject of using seed phrases with ostensibly strong passphrases.  Re AlcoHoDL, et al.  Have not yet gotten to it.  In a nutshell:  If you care about your heirs, don’t use passphrases!  Use Shamir’s Secret Sharing to back up secret pieces in some way that mitigates risk of compromise while you are alive, but also has a high probability of surviving your death or otherwise incapacitation.

[Wexlike]

Apparently it's a 3 of 4 setup, so yes, one more arrest and those coins are gone (not really, but you got that one)

Then they have still enough time to update their setup to a 2 of 3.

[Last of the V8s]

sure Dabs would be happy to hang on to it for them

[Phil_S]

US Treasury Secretary Mnuchin: We Have Reached Agreement On Direct Payments To Americans
https://twitter.com/LiveSquawk/status/1311445259906318342

[JayJuanGee]

I have a feeling, BTC gonna cross 11k once again, Elwar making me more bullish 

Yes... of course (well duh), our lil buddy gonna cross $11k, but BIG question seems to be "when?"

Also, is $11k even within any kind of realm of meaningful interest?.. In other words, reaching or breaching $11k to the upside seems to be currently within the realm of mostly noize.

Aren't we more interested in "when" BTC might be crossing its most recent medium term local high of $13,880?  Or getting close to such medium local term high in order to cause such $13,880 to be inevitably crossed?

I am actually thinking that BTC price have to get meaningfully above $13,880 (maybe even supra $15k, or maybe $14,250 would be enough?) in order for us to really get excited about such $13,880 being breached to the upside.

[criptix]

Not your keys Not your coins.
Personally I dont know why people are selling?
Just take your BTC off the exchange.
Or do most people using Bitmex dont have personal wallets?
What gives?

This is because derivatives on mex (in this case futures) can not only be used for degen trading but to hedge positions on spot markets as a risk management tool.

This is usually what big traders do and when they unwind the trade on one side (bitmex) it has implications on the other side (spot market).

[qwizzie]

https://twitter.com/stephendpalley/status/1311694266389929986

BREAKING: CFTC sues Bitmex, Arthur Hayes "to enjoin their ongoing illegal offering of commodity derivatives to U.S. persons, their acceptance of funds to margin derivatives transactions from individuals and entities in the U.S., & their operation of a derivatives trading platform

yay the drama we need

Who is this Hayes character??

Crypto Trading Platform BitMEX ‘Attempted to Evade’ US Regulations, CFTC, DOJ Charge
https://www.coindesk.com/bitmex-cftc-enforcement

[Biodom]

https://twitter.com/stephendpalley/status/1311694266389929986

BREAKING: CFTC sues Bitmex, Arthur Hayes "to enjoin their ongoing illegal offering of commodity derivatives to U.S. persons, their acceptance of funds to margin derivatives transactions from individuals and entities in the U.S., & their operation of a derivatives trading platform

yay the drama we need

Who is this Hayes character??

you are kidding, right....he is one 'smart-ass' guy wearing jobs-style turtleneck (has kind of super huge mouth/smile).
look for pics with sunglasses (Alps?)

The joke was real indeed 

could care less about that guy

[nullius]

Apparently it's a 3 of 4 setup, so yes, one more arrest and those coins are gone (not really, but you got that one)

Then they have still enough time to update their setup to a 2 of 3.

That seems to be moving in the wrong direction.  Perhaps try instead expanding 3/4 to (e.g.) 3/7, with fiduciaries distributed in different jurisdictions and geographic regions such that it is unlikely that collusion could result in theft, but also unlikely that too many keyholders could be lost at once due to government action, earthquake, war, cataclysmic asteroid strike, etc.

[rolling]

Looks like Coinbase just added REN and BAL to be traded against USD and BTC.

[bitcoinPsycho]

YFI LOL

[600watt]

That's all good and fine and okay. There are many different car manufacturers, but they all make vehicles to get us from point A to point B. I think Bitcoin and everything around it works similarly.

this is an excellent point you made. during the industrial style revolution, when a new invention was created - let's stay with cars in this example - a consumer who wanted the product could easily check if it did as it was supposed to. it not only needed to look like a car, it needed to actually drive to find buyers. all of a sudden there were hundreds of car manufacturers, a car market emerged, the good car makers survived.

in the digital revolution of our days this mostly still worked. even with software: if you bought MSWord to be able to write a text on your desktop it was trivial to find out if it really did what it was supposed to.

but how on earth is a consumer supposed to know if the "blockchain-tech" does what it should do? how does immutability look like? decentralization? how can a no coiner experience digital scarcity?

what bitcoin does was thought to be impossible for decades. it was an iron wall, could not be penetrated. then bitcoin drilled a hole in that wall of impossibility.  for some unknown reason everyone thought that with this little hole in this massive iron wall that the wall is gone now. but it is still there and only bitcoin went to the other side. folks believing that "blockchain" has torn down that wall altogether. but it is still there.

[Last of the V8s]

https://twitter.com/nobsbitcoin/status/1311730626471567363?s=20

[JayJuanGee]

The more coins locked-out for a long time, the better. Right ?

No.

Security and availability is another one of those issues that I intended to write about, on the subject of using seed phrases with ostensibly strong passphrases.  Re AlcoHoDL, et al.  Have not yet gotten to it.  In a nutshell:  If you care about your heirs, don’t use passphrases!  Use Shamir’s Secret Sharing to back up secret pieces in some way that mitigates risk of compromise while you are alive, but also has a high probability of surviving your death or otherwise incapacitation.

Well, whenever you are writing further on this particular topic (perhaps in the form of a tome or treatise? - #nohomo), hopefully you keep in mind practicality of regular joes - reminds me a bit of how trace mayer used to recommend people hold their keys.. ... Yeah, right, works for technical geniuses, but not necessarily for regular joes.

In other words, not everyone is ready, willing and able to learn, even if they might meet part of that formula.. they need all of it... including the action and even time components.

Not everyone is as technical as you, and the fact of the matter remains that the vast majority of regular joes (and the jane or two that is in this space) need to have simple as fuck.. and prefer to have simple as fuck.

In recent times, I had been making some changes to my security and back up.. and while I was making such changes, I had to make considerable adjustments that kind of caused rethinking and re-jiggering of the whole previous plan(s)... almost like a shit-ton of make-shift work.... and surely, even causing me to consider some future changes that I am going to make again, "when I get a chance."

The shit continues to be complicated as fuck, even when putting time into various systems that are in place and even changes that take place from time to time, and sure, Shamir secret sharing is somewhat new too, at least in terms of some hardware wallets just starting to allow for that function.. and some people have older devices (and systems too, such as paper methods)

[cAPSLOCK]

https://twitter.com/stephendpalley/status/1311694266389929986

BREAKING: CFTC sues Bitmex, Arthur Hayes "to enjoin their ongoing illegal offering of commodity derivatives to U.S. persons, their acceptance of funds to margin derivatives transactions from individuals and entities in the U.S., & their operation of a derivatives trading platform

yay the drama we need

Oof.  So that's the why behind the dip.

That's a silly reason to dip I think.  Plus didn't we all know this was coming.  I figure we recover fairly quickly.

I...
Hope...

[Last of the V8s]

Arthur didn't tell Sam not to go to the US, either didn't even know this was coming (which we all did, just not when) or sacrificial lamb...

[marcus_of_augustus]

aka the crime of sneering at a banana republic

go after them for rigging the market, a true crime? nah

... swamp creature slave masters don't accept coconuts, only plantation bananas

[cAPSLOCK]

https://twitter.com/stephendpalley/status/1311694266389929986

BREAKING: CFTC sues Bitmex, Arthur Hayes "to enjoin their ongoing illegal offering of commodity derivatives to U.S. persons, their acceptance of funds to margin derivatives transactions from individuals and entities in the U.S., & their operation of a derivatives trading platform

yay the drama we need

Who is this Hayes character??

He has teeth like JJG has words...

[explorer]

https://twitter.com/stephendpalley/status/1311694266389929986

BREAKING: CFTC sues Bitmex, Arthur Hayes "to enjoin their ongoing illegal offering of commodity derivatives to U.S. persons, their acceptance of funds to margin derivatives transactions from individuals and entities in the U.S., & their operation of a derivatives trading platform

yay the drama we need

Who is this Hayes character??

He has teeth like JJG has words...

Big collection, no particular order?   

[JayJuanGee]

https://twitter.com/nobsbitcoin/status/1311730626471567363?s=20

So, currently, Bitmex is processing withdrawals in a way that is more regular than regularly?

In other words, we (royal?) do not need to worry about the earlier fear expressed by WhalePanda that was reflected in your earlier post (depicted below)?

https://twitter.com/WhalePanda/status/1311718980206329856

9am Eastern = 1pm UTC = 2pm London

https://countingdownto.com/?c=3245384 lol