[2.5+ EH] Slush Pool (slushpool.com); World's First Mining Pool

[e46btc]

So Slush and other relatively fair  pools lack blocks

How you can measure this?  Pool can be only "fair" or "not fair", there is no intermediate value.
Or "relatively fair" means that it stole money once a month? Lol )

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[naska21]

So Slush and other relatively fair  pools lack blocks

How you can measure this?  Pool can be only "fair" or "not fair", there is no intermediate value.
Or "relatively fair" means that it stole money once a month? Lol )

Try to get the point of my post above. Relatively fair in the sense they do not cheat network as probably  Antpool does . Stoling money from miners is another story and that is why I have used "relatively"

[HarryKPeters]

I think the problem is not in Slush's pool but in that the big pools like Antpool are cheating somehow.

Look the whole network should generate 144 blocks roughly in 24 hrs. The power of whole network is around 700 PH. The power of say Ant pooll is ~ 160 PH. So it should generate around 32 - 33 blocks per 24 hrs but it generates 56 - 58 the last week.

So Slush and other relatively fair  pools lack blocks

That's not cheating, but it is called pool luck. So yeah maybe they were on a strike. The whole concept of mining is determined by luck (statistics) sure they can be off when your timeframe is just a few days, but overal if you compare the luck in 3 months. You should get a prety acurate figure.

[j1pvt]

I think the problem is not in Slush's pool but in that the big pools like Antpool are cheating somehow.

Look the whole network should generate 144 blocks roughly in 24 hrs. The power of whole network is around 700 PH. The power of say Ant pooll is ~ 160 PH. So it should generate around 32 - 33 blocks per 24 hrs but it generates 56 - 58 the last week.

So Slush and other relatively fair  pools lack blocks

Interesting point.
This could be a valid reason.
Antpool are definitely cheaters.

[Captain-Karacho]

The poor pool luck @Slush lately was too anoying to take anymore. Switched to Antpool and will see how it goes.

[Pug]

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[sishendaoye]

I used antpool and slush, and let me tell you, antpool got many blocks, but slush is more reliable and fair. Remember antpool cheated a lot of their miners by hiding blocks etc.
Slush would never do that.. never.

[d57heinz]

well i finally had to move away.. i didnt want to as i thougth for sure it would come back around. But the more i watch this pool the more i think this thread needs moved to the altcoin section.. All slush mines is nmc which is worthless moreless.. Sad to see it in such trouble.. Is what it is. And the Captain as he puts it just keeps sailing away like its normal.. idk but i did what i think is best for me.. have to be able to pay the bills. I expect variance like this on a 15 ph pool not 40ph .. if it comes back around then great  but i will keep my eye on this and be the first to say i was wrong about this pool..

Best regards
d57heinz

[smracer]

Ugh, I hate variance.

[Nikethemutt]

Add me to the list of Slush defectors as well.   

I didn't want to........I just had to.   

I've only ever mined in Slush and Discus.  95% of all my mining has been in Slush, but I've always measured it's daily success against Discus' fixed rate.

Back in the 12PH-16PH days, Slush could beat Discus with 4-5 blocks a day.  In the 36PH-40PH range, it takes 11-12 blocks to beat the Fish......and there are many days we can't seem to hit that mark.  I agree with the earlier poster who said we'd probably fare just as good if we were back in the 12-16PH range.

Any Hoo, I keep checking in to see what's going on in the old Slush Pool.   I wish the statistics were more accurate.  Slush's way of calculation luck seems very odd and not linked to reality.   

[usukan]

well i finally had to move away.. i didnt want to as i thougth for sure it would come back around. But the more i watch this pool the more i think this thread needs moved to the altcoin section.. All slush mines is nmc which is worthless moreless.. Sad to see it in such trouble.. Is what it is. And the Captain as he puts it just keeps sailing away like its normal.. idk but i did what i think is best for me.. have to be able to pay the bills. I expect variance like this on a 15 ph pool not 40ph .. if it comes back around then great  but i will keep my eye on this and be the first to say i was wrong about this pool..

Best regards
d57heinz

I have moved everything over to another pool 5 days ago - glad I did

was that 18 hrs between blocks today - wooo.........
The hash must plummet soon. Nobody can afford to wait this out for this long.

Agree with you on the 15PH/s - thats about the effective return for weeks now.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1976.msg13191397#msg13191397

[Lucko]

Unless I see BIP101 reenabled soon you can add me too...

[-ck]

Unless I see BIP101 reenabled soon you can add me too...

However, irrespective of the political debate regarding BIP101, no pool has BIP101 unless you roll your own with p2pool.

[adaseb]

Jesus Christ today is a horrible horrible day. Basically 3 blocks in the last 24 hours.


33% luck.

WHAT IS GOING ON?

[Lucko]

Unless I see BIP101 reenabled soon you can add me too...

However, irrespective of the political debate regarding BIP101, no pool has BIP101 unless you roll your own with p2pool.

Slush is saying he will reenable it...

[d57heinz]

Jesus Christ today is a horrible horrible day. Basically 3 blocks in the last 24 hours.


33% luck.

WHAT IS GOING ON?

well i think i see what it is.. Look at this graph.. http://data.bitcoinity.org/bitcoin/hashrate/30d?c=m&t=a   hover across the graph and it shows the speeds of the pool.. You can see the unknown miner(solo?) grows as slush declines been watching this for a while.. Starting to see a pattern..I dont think this is coincidence  the fucked up thing is neither are finding blocks(the solo miner or slush) lol  i look thru last several hundred blocks i see no solo miner.  

Best Regards
d57heinz

edit>> well anyway I cant determine with certainty what the hell is wrong here IF anything at all.. Good luck to all that remain..maybe its just a big swing in variance lets just hope it doesnt keep jumping 20 % diff jumps so you can make up your losses!

Best regards
d57heinz

[-ck]

You're right that there's something wrong and it appears to be related to block propagation speed from the pool which would lead to more orphans and possibly lost blocks entirely.

I've been monitoring block change speed at pools here:
http://poolbench.antminer.link/

and there are some occasional glitches that are unique to slush. Every so often he'll get a block like Block 388165 and the pool will issue an update but no other pools will see the block for a long time afterwards meaning it hasn't propagated across the bitcoin p2p network. My pool was the first one to see his block and propagate a block change but it was 17 seconds later.

Found by slush

Code:

1. us-east.stratum.bitcoin.cz:3333 2015-12-13 05:29:36.698000
2. solo.ckpool.org:3333 2015-12-13 05:29:53.658000

[d57heinz]

You're right that there's something wrong and it appears to be related to block propagation speed from the pool which would lead to more orphans and possibly lost blocks entirely.

I've been monitoring block change speed at pools here:
http://poolbench.antminer.link/

and there are some occasional glitches that are unique to slush. Every so often he'll get a block like Block 388165 and the pool will issue an update but no other pools will see the block for a long time afterwards meaning it hasn't propagated across the bitcoin p2p network. My pool was the first one to see his block and propagate a block change but it was 17 seconds later.

Found by slush

Code:

1. us-east.stratum.bitcoin.cz:3333 2015-12-13 05:29:36.698000
2. solo.ckpool.org:3333 2015-12-13 05:29:53.658000

i took a  good look at that site and ill tell ya what stands out to me.. I don't see all slush stratums on there.  Would that site show private stratums that slush has or do btc pools have to install an api for that site to poll the data?.. reason i ask is a few months ago i got an email from slush stating that i was one of his top miners. Which at the time i was at slush back in late 2014 early 2015 i was at 80 th/s.  In that email he gave me a private stratum port to mine to. I threw my s4's to it as they were easiest to swap to it. And i swapped a few s3's. What im wondering if this new private stratum is to blame here.  I dont want to give out the address but i wonder how many got  that email and just how much of slush hash is on these new private stratums.. What he told me was that it was for ddos protection.  Also i know he is using This relay network.  not sure if its reliable or if its also part of the issue?  http://bitcoinrelaynetwork.org/   http://bitcoinrelaynetwork.org/stats.html

Best Regards
d57heinz

[Lucko]

You're right that there's something wrong and it appears to be related to block propagation speed from the pool which would lead to more orphans and possibly lost blocks entirely.

I've been monitoring block change speed at pools here:
http://poolbench.antminer.link/

and there are some occasional glitches that are unique to slush. Every so often he'll get a block like Block 388165 and the pool will issue an update but no other pools will see the block for a long time afterwards meaning it hasn't propagated across the bitcoin p2p network. My pool was the first one to see his block and propagate a block change but it was 17 seconds later.

Found by slush

Code:

1. us-east.stratum.bitcoin.cz:3333 2015-12-13 05:29:36.698000
2. solo.ckpool.org:3333 2015-12-13 05:29:53.658000

Yes orphans are really hi... I was about to point that out again... But I think that there is also a big miner on a pool that is withholding blocks... Since this bad luck is now lasting really long at really low levels... Also I'm 100% sure that statistic on a dashboard are wrong... Day average hashrate is not 1 day average. It is probably about 12 hours...(know that since I moved some of miners) Not sure about the rest... But seeing 1 block in 18 hours and luck of 70% makes me think... But that could be down to recalculation when block is found... Last time I left the pool from exact same reason. It looked like Slush didn't have time to check on it from time to time... And I'm seeing more and more gleaches...

[bitsolutions]

i took a  good look at that site and ill tell ya what stands out to me.. I don't see all slush stratums on there.  Would that site show private stratums that slush has or do btc pools have to install an api for that site to poll the data?.. reason i ask is a few months ago i got an email from slush stating that i was one of his top miners. Which at the time i was at slush back in late 2014 early 2015 i was at 80 th/s.  In that email he gave me a private stratum port to mine to. I threw my s4's to it as they were easiest to swap to it. And i swapped a few s3's. What im wondering if this new private stratum is to blame here.  I dont want to give out the address but i wonder how many got  that email and just how much of slush hash is on these new private stratums.. What he told me was that it was for ddos protection.  Also i know he is using This relay network.  not sure if its reliable or if its also part of the issue?  http://bitcoinrelaynetwork.org/   http://bitcoinrelaynetwork.org/stats.html

Best Regards
d57heinz

The site does not use a pool specific API, it is just cgminer connecting to many pools at the same time using stratum protocol monitoring for blockhash changes, as for private stratum servers that would be a bad idea to put on the site as it would expose their IP's, it only monitors public pool stratum servers and a few testing pools that have requested to be added. Most pools use relay network, this doesn't monitor through relay network it connects directly to the pools stratum server(this is more useful since it shows the times actual miners are given the updates). You can use the calculations on the site to estimate orphan rates, using (Ave Delta From First Pool/600) should give you a rough estimate of the orphan rate percent.