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March 24, 2015, 09:26:56 AM
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And the winner is  Cool
10 Blocks in the last 12 hours...not bad!
I have splitted my four S3 miner few weeks ago 2 at Eligius and 2 at Slush
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March 24, 2015, 09:38:24 PM
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Nice streak again!

Out of curiosity, do you guys split your hashes over different pools?  I have about half on Slush and half on BTC Guild for now.  I did like the consistently of Antpool (in terms of blocks being found), but with all of the DDoS issues they have been having recently, I've been staying way.
If by splitting on one device? No.
I just set backup pools incase one or two have problems...


I have 4 s3s on slush's and 4 s3s  on kano's. Seems to be working out so far.
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March 26, 2015, 08:27:40 PM
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Nice streak again!

Out of curiosity, do you guys split your hashes over different pools?  I have about half on Slush and half on BTC Guild for now.  I did like the consistently of Antpool (in terms of blocks being found), but with all of the DDoS issues they have been having recently, I've been staying way.
If by splitting on one device? No.
I just set backup pools incase one or two have problems...


I have 4 s3s on slush's and 4 s3s  on kano's. Seems to be working out so far.

Which pool has paid more since you started this method?

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March 26, 2015, 08:46:42 PM
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Nice streak again!

Out of curiosity, do you guys split your hashes over different pools?  I have about half on Slush and half on BTC Guild for now.  I did like the consistently of Antpool (in terms of blocks being found), but with all of the DDoS issues they have been having recently, I've been staying way.
If by splitting on one device? No.
I just set backup pools incase one or two have problems...


I have 4 s3s on slush's and 4 s3s  on kano's. Seems to be working out so far.

Which pool has paid more since you started this method?

I'd like to know as well.

I currently have 4.6T total split between 3 miners using Slush, BTC Guild, and Discus Fish.  If I point everything to Discus Fish, I would get .047538 BTC / day and not worry about the pool luck factor of PPLNS.  Any reason why I shouldn't just do that?  I will say that over the past few days, I get about that much anyways...
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March 27, 2015, 03:53:05 AM
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Nice streak again!

Out of curiosity, do you guys split your hashes over different pools?  I have about half on Slush and half on BTC Guild for now.  I did like the consistently of Antpool (in terms of blocks being found), but with all of the DDoS issues they have been having recently, I've been staying way.
If by splitting on one device? No.
I just set backup pools incase one or two have problems...


I have 4 s3s on slush's and 4 s3s  on kano's. Seems to be working out so far.

Which pool has paid more since you started this method?

I'd like to know as well.

I currently have 4.6T total split between 3 miners using Slush, BTC Guild, and Discus Fish.  If I point everything to Discus Fish, I would get .047538 BTC / day and not worry about the pool luck factor of PPLNS.  Any reason why I shouldn't just do that?  I will say that over the past few days, I get about that much anyways...
In general, PPLNS doesn't "underpay" or "overpay" you, what it does is pay you based on the pool luck less the pool fee ... i.e. when a miner does something effective to help the bitcoin network.
(the same luck for EVERY pool that actually mines blocks)
Thus the PPLNS pool has no requirement to keep (literally) many 100's of BTC in storage to pay people who want payment for completely ineffective work.
... that's what PPS does Smiley

PPS pays you based on the shares you submit so it does (literally) need many 100's of BTC in storage to ensure it can always pay the miners due to the same luck risk as the PPLNS luck payout i.e. a PPS pool gets BTC based on the same block finding as all other pools - which is what PPLNS uses to be able to always pay the miners for when a miner produces effective work (and distributes that to all the ineffective miners also)

What does that mean in terms of actual payout?
Well PPS thus requires either a pool OP who is happy to give away LOTS of BTC to the miners every time the luck is bad enough (i.e. all the miners have done nothing to help the bitcoin network - that's what a "bad luck" streak is), or a pool fee high enough to cover that block luck risk.
Thus the PPS fee should normally be higher than a PPLNS fee (or you are swimming in unsafe waters)

Thus over time a PPS pool is statistically expected to pay you less.
With PPLNS that expected payout is of course not your exact, today, payout.
That's an expected average over a long time.
Over the short term (days, weeks, even months is short term for all but the largest pools) pool luck will be what you will see in the payout.
It can be higher or lower ... but is expected to average out based on the pool fee.

Pool luck is different every single time a block is found ... on every single pool.
That's the nature of bitcoin mining.

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March 29, 2015, 05:27:19 AM
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I rented some hash power at WestHash tonight (just a little bit: 100TH :-) and pointed the order at Slush's pool tonight and it got auto-canceled after about 15 minutes.

The "Pool verificator" said Slush's pool was compatible, but right after the order started the order status page kept saying something like "pool connection problems, pool diff too low, minimum difficulty is 127" which is a problem, since i have the worker configured for 1024 difficulty pool-side.

Then it started hashing and managed to get up to about 30TH before the order suddenly got auto-canceled.  it refunded the charges, which is good at least.  I was able to do this last week on CKPool (kano.is)...

Is slush's pool known to work with westhash rented rigs?  Is it incompatible?

From this it looks like it should be supported:

Which mining pools are supported?
https://www.westhash.com/index.jsp?p=faq#faqb2

thanks in advance for any insight, tips or tricks!

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March 29, 2015, 06:31:12 AM
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I rented some hash power at WestHash tonight (just a little bit: 100TH :-) and pointed the order at Slush's pool tonight and it got auto-canceled after about 15 minutes.

The "Pool verificator" said Slush's pool was compatible, but right after the order started the order status page kept saying something like "pool connection problems, pool diff too low, minimum difficulty is 127" which is a problem, since i have the worker configured for 1024 difficulty pool-side.

Then it started hashing and managed to get up to about 30TH before the order suddenly got auto-canceled.  it refunded the charges, which is good at least.  I was able to do this last week on CKPool (kano.is)...

Is slush's pool known to work with westhash rented rigs?  Is it incompatible?

From this it looks like it should be supported:

Which mining pools are supported?
https://www.westhash.com/index.jsp?p=faq#faqb2

thanks in advance for any insight, tips or tricks!

-dave

Not sure if this was issue, but with 100TH you should set a starting difficulty of about 71000. 1024 is way too low, though vardiff should have kicked it up fairly quickly.
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March 29, 2015, 12:35:52 PM
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I rented some hash power at WestHash tonight (just a little bit: 100TH :-) and pointed the order at Slush's pool tonight and it got auto-canceled after about 15 minutes.

The "Pool verificator" said Slush's pool was compatible, but right after the order started the order status page kept saying something like "pool connection problems, pool diff too low, minimum difficulty is 127" which is a problem, since i have the worker configured for 1024 difficulty pool-side.

Then it started hashing and managed to get up to about 30TH before the order suddenly got auto-canceled.  it refunded the charges, which is good at least.  I was able to do this last week on CKPool (kano.is)...

Is slush's pool known to work with westhash rented rigs?  Is it incompatible?

From this it looks like it should be supported:

Which mining pools are supported?
https://www.westhash.com/index.jsp?p=faq#faqb2

thanks in advance for any insight, tips or tricks!

-dave

Not sure if this was issue, but with 100TH you should set a starting difficulty of about 71000. 1024 is way too low, though vardiff should have kicked it up fairly quickly.

I use Nicehash (Europe version) and have never had a problem.  I just set up a worker just for Nicehash with a min diff of 128 to get the ball rolling.  It currently at 33334 diff at 30TH.  Runs 24/7.  Should be jumping to 50TH soon.  Are you using the bot?

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March 29, 2015, 12:38:29 PM
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Also, if you're going to rent and use on Slush I recommend you spread your BTC / hash thin so you keep mining 24/7.  If you sink your funds into loads of hashing for only a few hours you'll probably lose out if the pool is struggling with a long block.

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March 29, 2015, 04:43:06 PM
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I use Nicehash (Europe version) and have never had a problem.  I just set up a worker just for Nicehash with a min diff of 128 to get the ball rolling.  It currently at 33334 diff at 30TH.  Runs 24/7.  Should be jumping to 50TH soon.  Are you using the bot?

Ah, that was the problem -- Westhash is for pools on this (U.S.) side of the pond :-) I switched to nicehash.com and slush seems to be working much better!

No bot, yet.  I'm still in training ... :-)

Thanks!

-dave
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March 29, 2015, 05:00:32 PM
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I use Nicehash (Europe version) and have never had a problem.  I just set up a worker just for Nicehash with a min diff of 128 to get the ball rolling.  It currently at 33334 diff at 30TH.  Runs 24/7.  Should be jumping to 50TH soon.  Are you using the bot?

Ah, that was the problem -- Westhash is for pools on this (U.S.) side of the pond :-) I switched to nicehash.com and slush seems to be working much better!

No bot, yet.  I'm still in training ... :-)

Thanks!

-dave

Download the bot.  It's a game changer.  If you want any help just send me a PM.

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March 29, 2015, 05:19:29 PM
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I use Nicehash (Europe version) and have never had a problem.  I just set up a worker just for Nicehash with a min diff of 128 to get the ball rolling.  It currently at 33334 diff at 30TH.  Runs 24/7.  Should be jumping to 50TH soon.  Are you using the bot?

Ah, that was the problem -- Westhash is for pools on this (U.S.) side of the pond :-) I switched to nicehash.com and slush seems to be working much better!

No bot, yet.  I'm still in training ... :-)

Thanks!

-dave

Ahh darn it.  I spoke too soon.  The nicehash order was auto-canceled too, after about a half an hour, saying "Action" Cancelled - placeholder order" with a link to their FAQ:

  Why was my order canceled (placeholders)?
  https://www.nicehash.com/?p=faq#faqb13

Ah well, back to CKPool I guess

thanks,

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March 29, 2015, 08:10:36 PM
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I use Nicehash (Europe version) and have never had a problem.  I just set up a worker just for Nicehash with a min diff of 128 to get the ball rolling.  It currently at 33334 diff at 30TH.  Runs 24/7.  Should be jumping to 50TH soon.  Are you using the bot?

Ah, that was the problem -- Westhash is for pools on this (U.S.) side of the pond :-) I switched to nicehash.com and slush seems to be working much better!

No bot, yet.  I'm still in training ... :-)

Thanks!

-dave

Ahh darn it.  I spoke too soon.  The nicehash order was auto-canceled too, after about a half an hour, saying "Action" Cancelled - placeholder order" with a link to their FAQ:

  Why was my order canceled (placeholders)?
  https://www.nicehash.com/?p=faq#faqb13

Ah well, back to CKPool I guess

thanks,

-dave

Might want to ask in the nicehash thread, not sure if the dev keeps up with all the pool threads.
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March 30, 2015, 10:09:22 AM
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Nice streak again!

Out of curiosity, do you guys split your hashes over different pools?  I have about half on Slush and half on BTC Guild for now.  I did like the consistently of Antpool (in terms of blocks being found), but with all of the DDoS issues they have been having recently, I've been staying way.
If by splitting on one device? No.
I just set backup pools incase one or two have problems...



I have 4 s3s on slush's and 4 s3s  on kano's. Seems to be working out so far.

Which pool has paid more since you started this method?

With slush's I get ~.0035 per round. With kano I get ~.021 per round. I would like to point them all at kano's but I like the way they supplement each other.(Slush is a lot bigger than kano, so does more rounds per day.) So my agenda is to get more rigs instead.
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March 30, 2015, 10:56:53 AM
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Most of them balance out similar in the end.

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March 30, 2015, 05:34:05 PM
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Most of them balance out similar in the end.
Like the three blocks found in an hour period will balance out later on during the week or month.

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March 30, 2015, 05:47:35 PM
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Most of them balance out similar in the end.
Like the three blocks found in an hour period will balance out later on during the week or month.

Truth be told, you earn way more on slush on any average day than on kano.is
I know th theory is "luck" evens out over the long term, but I am begining to believe luck increases the higher the pool hash-rate, and that does not seem to even out in the short to medium term.

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March 30, 2015, 07:55:02 PM
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last week slush have extremy luck i earn near 80% more ws calculator i earn 0,5963 BTC in 7 days whit 4,4 th. in next cople days is time to switch to antpool or f2
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March 30, 2015, 07:59:54 PM
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I know th theory is "luck" evens out over the long term, but I am begining to believe luck increases the higher the pool hash-rate, and that does not seem to even out in the short to medium term.

That's not luck increasing, that's the result of higher hash rates.  Of course a pool with high hash is going to find more blocks, that's math, not luck.
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March 30, 2015, 08:08:20 PM
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I know th theory is "luck" evens out over the long term, but I am begining to believe luck increases the higher the pool hash-rate, and that does not seem to even out in the short to medium term.

That's not luck increasing, that's the result of higher hash rates.  Of course a pool with high hash is going to find more blocks, that's math, not luck.

You speak with a hint of ignorance, at least in as far as I have been educated in the art of bitcoin mining. Pool luck is just that and, theoretically, not influenced by hash speeds / rates. That is borne out with the recent prevalence of solo mining "pools", i.e its a lottery! Maths may be the basis of the blockchain / algorithm, but luck decides determines who finds (and reports to the blockchain) "the block" first.

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