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December 08, 2015, 07:55:28 AM
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I'm not going to spam this forum by making specific recommendations but there is another good pool to move your hash to.

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December 08, 2015, 08:57:24 AM
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can Slush rep come on here and explain whats wrong please
No official slush support is on this forum any more. He uses facebook instead...

Oh good - so who seriously mining would be on FB?

Alena - get your company back to focus please.



                                                   
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December 08, 2015, 12:26:17 PM
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The naivety and loyalty of those here is quite unsettling,
Every big pool starts out cracking plenty blocks and building a happy client base.
Somewhere down the line the luck miraculously changes and everybody gets screwed.
It's all a load of bullshnit ..
How is a 9 or 12 hour block even possible.
These pool operators all learn the tricks eventually and all of a sudden the luck changes and no one can be held accountable.
The pool operators are just filling up their personal bank accounts at our expense.
It's the same with all big business , greed and self importance take over and integrity flies out the window.
Bad luck my ..s
Be sure somebody at the top is making a fat profit and screwing over all the rest of us.

Im not saying slush is doing this..but I know its possible to move a stratum port to another pool  >> say a pps pool for a few hours.. Then swap it back.. All within the time so your machine will never notice.. This is a major issue i have with putting trust into another pool.. This should never have had to be an issue if we all stayed more decentralized!! ie solo mining.  

this could explain the odd swings in hashrate we been experiencing idk..

If you look at this chart you can see the general decline in "luck" for two of the largest pools. http://organofcorti.blogspot.com/2015/12/december-6th-2015-mining-pool-statistics_7.html . Wish f2pool was included aswell for better reference.. But it looks to me like the bigger you get the worse your luck gets.. Starting at the 52 wk chart and working your way to last week you can see th general direction the luck is headed for the largest of the pools .. Not to say it wont pick up but sure isnt looking good...

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December 08, 2015, 01:20:42 PM
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What stands out to me on this last stretch of bad luck..    It took us with over 40 ph over 7 hours to solve a nmc block.. and 12 hours in that same time frame to solve a btc block.. WhaT the pool was doing for those 7 hours is a bit questionable for sure..   Bad luck on both coins seems a bit of a stretch to me.. On nmc thats just outright terrible luck considering its diff is less than half of btc!!



5058   2015-12-08 07:07    9 minutes   42.62 Ph/s   24.13 Th/s   0.01398228 NMC   0.00001631 BTC   0.00116624 BTC
5057   2015-12-08 06:57    7 hours   42.41 Ph/s   23.99 Th/s   0.01555230 NMC   0.00001814 BTC   0.00116625 BTC
5056   2015-12-07 23:43    3 minutes   41.52 Ph/s   24.50 Th/s   0.01450796 NMC   0.00001692 BTC   0.00116624 BTC

Btc reward

25667   2015-12-08 08:31   20 minutes   42.13 Ph/s   24.07 Th/s   0.01415229 BTC   25.27481108 BTC   73
25666   2015-12-08 08:10   12 hours   44.94 Ph/s   24.38 Th/s   0.01330547 BTC   25.02811157 BTC   71
25665   2015-12-07 20:02   48 minutes   40.77 Ph/s   24.21 Th/s   0.01478686 BTC   25.40365920 BTC   Confirmed

Im starting to become a bit suspicous to say the least.. I know its possible but the odds of this happening over and over is starting to become a little hard to take.

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December 08, 2015, 05:07:07 PM
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What stands out to me on this last stretch of bad luck..    It took us with over 40 ph over 7 hours to solve a nmc block.. and 12 hours in that same time frame to solve a btc block.. WhaT the pool was doing for those 7 hours is a bit questionable for sure..   Bad luck on both coins seems a bit of a stretch to me.. On nmc thats just outright terrible luck considering its diff is less than half of btc!!



5058   2015-12-08 07:07    9 minutes   42.62 Ph/s   24.13 Th/s   0.01398228 NMC   0.00001631 BTC   0.00116624 BTC
5057   2015-12-08 06:57    7 hours   42.41 Ph/s   23.99 Th/s   0.01555230 NMC   0.00001814 BTC   0.00116625 BTC
5056   2015-12-07 23:43    3 minutes   41.52 Ph/s   24.50 Th/s   0.01450796 NMC   0.00001692 BTC   0.00116624 BTC

Btc reward

25667   2015-12-08 08:31   20 minutes   42.13 Ph/s   24.07 Th/s   0.01415229 BTC   25.27481108 BTC   73
25666   2015-12-08 08:10   12 hours   44.94 Ph/s   24.38 Th/s   0.01330547 BTC   25.02811157 BTC   71
25665   2015-12-07 20:02   48 minutes   40.77 Ph/s   24.21 Th/s   0.01478686 BTC   25.40365920 BTC   Confirmed

Im starting to become a bit suspicous to say the least.. I know its possible but the odds of this happening over and over is starting to become a little hard to take.

best Regards
d57heinz


Agreed...

That's why I left.  It's just too damn suspicious for me as well.

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Agreed...

That's why I left.  It's just too damn suspicious for me as well.

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December 08, 2015, 05:52:47 PM
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Im not saying slush is doing this..but I know its possible to move a stratum port to another pool  >> say a pps pool for a few hours.. Then swap it back.. All within the time so your machine will never notice.. This is a major issue i have with putting trust into another pool.. This should never have had to be an issue if we all stayed more decentralized!! ie solo mining.  

this could explain the odd swings in hashrate we been experiencing idk..

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eleuthria [The creator of BTC Guild] will tell you about the times Slush pool had moved their stratum port to BTC Guild when they were online.  I wouldn't be surprised.

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December 09, 2015, 12:12:07 AM
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What stands out to me on this last stretch of bad luck..    It took us with over 40 ph over 7 hours to solve a nmc block.. and 12 hours in that same time frame to solve a btc block.. WhaT the pool was doing for those 7 hours is a bit questionable for sure..   Bad luck on both coins seems a bit of a stretch to me.. On nmc thats just outright terrible luck considering its diff is less than half of btc!!



5058   2015-12-08 07:07    9 minutes   42.62 Ph/s   24.13 Th/s   0.01398228 NMC   0.00001631 BTC   0.00116624 BTC
5057   2015-12-08 06:57    7 hours   42.41 Ph/s   23.99 Th/s   0.01555230 NMC   0.00001814 BTC   0.00116625 BTC
5056   2015-12-07 23:43    3 minutes   41.52 Ph/s   24.50 Th/s   0.01450796 NMC   0.00001692 BTC   0.00116624 BTC

Btc reward

25667   2015-12-08 08:31   20 minutes   42.13 Ph/s   24.07 Th/s   0.01415229 BTC   25.27481108 BTC   73
25666   2015-12-08 08:10   12 hours   44.94 Ph/s   24.38 Th/s   0.01330547 BTC   25.02811157 BTC   71
25665   2015-12-07 20:02   48 minutes   40.77 Ph/s   24.21 Th/s   0.01478686 BTC   25.40365920 BTC   Confirmed

Im starting to become a bit suspicous to say the least.. I know its possible but the odds of this happening over and over is starting to become a little hard to take.

best Regards
d57heinz


Agreed...

That's why I left.  It's just too damn suspicious for me as well.

 I didnt know that slush was ever caught doing that.. Be nice if you can see the end destination of the mining wallet someway.. I know you can setup a proxy that would be on the same port as your pool.. then within 30 seconds shut down the pool stratum .. fire up the proxy. and bam  you are now mining with everyone hash at a pps pool.. so easy that it makes it awfully tempting.. 

Now this could actually be about luck.. Organofcorti did a pc on this back in july  about mining luck  http://organofcorti.blogspot.com/2015/07/faq-bitcoin-mining-and-luck-statistic.html.. You will see 75 % bad luck vs 25% good luck as the bad luck streaks last much longer.  Now according to him in time you should get to neutral luck.. well here is a scenario i have that will keep you from ever getting a chance at catching your luck back... So if a pool is say 10 peta for arguments sake and we have the rest of the network growing at exponential rate.. If the small pool get a streak of bad luck it can be devastating and here is why i think so.. if it say takes 10000 blocks to even out for arguments sake.. by even out i mean neutral luck.  If the network was steady that is no growth or decline in speed we will then have a steady diff.. This allows a smaller pool who might experience a ruff patch to catch up.. Yes it will take them 10 times longer than the other two pools time wise to go thru 10k blocks.. But according to statistics over time we should even out our luck.  But the problem we have is a growing network.. But its not across the board. its only a few pools.. and whats worse is its the largest of the pools.. So what happens is the diff keeps increasing. never allowing for the smaller pools to catch up on there blocks.. now with the halving coming close and there seems to be a huge push from the big boys on hashrate.. i think if a smaller pool sees a bad streak it could possibly never recover as we keep decreasing reward every 2 years roughly.  i hope im not off the wall here in my thinking.  what you all think??

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December 09, 2015, 12:36:25 AM
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Luck isn't time based, it's share based.

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December 09, 2015, 12:45:11 AM
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i moved on over to other pools 3-4 mths ago from slush to other pools & now @ K pool.

no support or reply me no likey.
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December 09, 2015, 12:46:56 AM
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I am probably going to switch permantely to a PPS pool because lately this pool has horrible horrible luck.

I really wish this pool would go PPS because their servers are good but its costing me alot of loss from the bad luck.

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December 09, 2015, 12:56:02 AM
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I left pool when  invalid  blocks started showing up.

 People are are crying  because  of the loss of Bitcoins but they still mine there, Explain the logic.

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December 09, 2015, 05:18:45 AM
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I left pool when  invalid  blocks started showing up.

 People are are crying  because  of the loss of Bitcoins but they still mine there, Explain the logic.

Yes that beats me - the luck plummets for an extended period - but the hash keeps rising?

Simple explanation is they (we until yesterday) expect luck to change.

But it just does not change.................I have sat with it for weeks but NOTHING Cry

I have gone to Kano - see how it goes

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December 09, 2015, 05:52:33 AM
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Don't listen to all these phising dimwits mumbling about the inferior puny pools.
The ONLY reason pool hash rate keeps steady (and growing) at slush is because it simply is the better pool. Luck shall turn and, as always, you'll get the full payout that you've earned at slush, which is not the case with those inferior pools (whose operators have resorted to spamming the network with corrupt headers).

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December 09, 2015, 06:15:47 AM
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I've been a Slush supporter for a very long time - and stuck through many bad times

But

I am now convinced that the effective hashrate is about 12-15PH/s - not 40 plus

This is my working hypothesis

Is it possible for Slush to report this incorrectly?


                                                   
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December 09, 2015, 06:17:46 AM
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Don't listen to all these phising dimwits mumbling about the inferior puny pools.
The ONLY reason pool hash rate keeps steady (and growing) at slush is because it simply is the better pool. Luck shall turn and, as always, you'll get the full payout that you've earned at slush, which is not the case with those inferior pools (whose operators have resorted to spamming the network with corrupt headers).

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December 09, 2015, 06:19:08 AM
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Well, there is a new phenomenon where puny pools spam the bigger pools with corrupt block headers ... that may explain the seemingly inferior effective hashrate (and reduced luck). Slush always susses these things out and it is just a matter of time before all is good and dandy.

EDIT: Ignore: yes - says the kano alt ....

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December 09, 2015, 06:24:07 AM
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Well, there is a new phenomenon where puny pools spam the bigger pools with corrupt block headers ... that may explain the seemingly inferior effective hashrate (and reduced luck). Slush always susses these things out and it is just a matter of time before all is good and dandy.

EDIT: Ignore: yes - says the kano alt ....
Heh funny how you has to resort to lies to try and cover for slush.

... or are you saying slush is SPV mining? Cheesy

A bad block header has no effect on any pool that isn't SPV mining.

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December 09, 2015, 06:28:16 AM
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Proof by admission, if any was needed, that puny pools are spamming the bitcoin network with bad block headers.
Take your trite back to your whingeing threads ...

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December 09, 2015, 06:33:44 AM
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Heh someone should tweet slush an say that he is SPV mining according to slush supporting posts in this thread Smiley

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