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December 04, 2015, 06:43:17 PM
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What are talking about?  I do not care of overall diff raise, it is absolutely clear and inevitably.
But about bad luck will be never covered with such raise now +10% per 2 weeks.  It is 90% for last months here.

What's past is past.  What matters is whether or not pool performance will continue to be poor. If you believe the recent performance reflects bad luck then the best bet may be to stay.  If you think some other reason accounted for the poor performance then it may be a better bet to move elsewhere.  Moving to another pool without a good reason may prove, with the benefit of hindsight, to have been a poor decision.

You can probably get better odds if you solo mine or use a good solo mining pool. At least you won't be subject to block withholding attacks.  However, this won't be an good choice if you don't have a lot of resources to pay your electricity bills, buy new miners if they become obsolete before you hit the jackpot, etc... because of the "gambler's ruin problem".
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December 05, 2015, 05:01:34 PM
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What are talking about?  I do not care of overall diff raise, it is absolutely clear and inevitably.
But about bad luck will be never covered with such raise now +10% per 2 weeks.  It is 90% for last months here.

A Major problem is we are having way to many orphans!!!  5.56% just this week.. Honestly im wondering if its time to shut down nmc merged mining.. As its causing to much network strain.. OR the pool has issues with the 40 ph.  it never used to be like this when we were at 15 ph steady.. this all started with the 15 ph user that jumped on .. just saying.. Been with slush off and on since march 2014.  Left a while back due to low monthly percentage.. now looks like we are headed that direction again.. im giving it till january to figure this out and then ill reavaluate ..

http://organofcorti.blogspot.com/2015/11/november-29th-2015-mining-pool.html

You can see here with the latest onslaught of orphans we are avg over 1 per week.. thats a lot of btc lost!!!  250k usd at current market value. id say thats more then enough incentive to get this sorted out!!
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December 05, 2015, 08:09:09 PM
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Would have been nice to ask Slush about the merged mining, orphans and if the pool is having issues with the 40 PH during his AMA on December 3rd.

Worker monitoring is the number one reason I'm staying with Slush as it's important to me since I host a number of miners at off site locations. The email alerts have saved me a number of times when my miners went down due to a loss of power so I knew to move them to another area to mine till the power issues were resolved. Places like Antpool I have to monitor my workers to see the drop in hash to know something is wrong.

I just started mining in November so I'm still trying to learn the ropes and what luck means etc, but if Antpool has over 100PH and they aren't having issues, then I have to ask myself other than hash rate, what makes Slush pool have such a low luck percentage?
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December 06, 2015, 04:37:48 PM
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Would have been nice to ask Slush about the merged mining, orphans and if the pool is having issues with the 40 PH during his AMA on December 3rd.

Worker monitoring is the number one reason I'm staying with Slush as it's important to me since I host a number of miners at off site locations. The email alerts have saved me a number of times when my miners went down due to a loss of power so I knew to move them to another area to mine till the power issues were resolved. Places like Antpool I have to monitor my workers to see the drop in hash to know something is wrong.

I just started mining in November so I'm still trying to learn the ropes and what luck means etc, but if Antpool has over 100PH and they aren't having issues, then I have to ask myself other than hash rate, what makes Slush pool have such a low luck percentage?

Yeah i sure missed that.. Wish i would have known it was the third.  I did just check slush news which i should have checked prior to posting.. It looks like They are still activily trying to mitigate the issue. I know a month or so ago he had issues with teh relay network which i thought was fixed but maybe that wasnt so.. Slush pool has been around a very long time. I believe the first actual mining pool. I feel confident the issues will subside thats why im not quick to jump ship. with the recent network jumps in diff it may be that his way of calculating the amount you should have in the month is affected by the diff. idk..   i really am expecting one day soon that we hit a crazy streak of blocks..  Be a nice xmas present..  Anyway hold tight and see how it goes.. could be a bad string of variance coupled with some orphans that very well could fall well within the variance of orphans a pool might expect to get.. I think under 1 or 2 percent per year is expected. .  https://mining.bitcoin.cz/news/

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December 07, 2015, 08:40:03 AM
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Would have been nice to ask Slush about the merged mining, orphans and if the pool is having issues with the 40 PH during his AMA on December 3rd.

Worker monitoring is the number one reason I'm staying with Slush as it's important to me since I host a number of miners at off site locations. The email alerts have saved me a number of times when my miners went down due to a loss of power so I knew to move them to another area to mine till the power issues were resolved. Places like Antpool I have to monitor my workers to see the drop in hash to know something is wrong.

I just started mining in November so I'm still trying to learn the ropes and what luck means etc, but if Antpool has over 100PH and they aren't having issues, then I have to ask myself other than hash rate, what makes Slush pool have such a low luck percentage?

Yeah i sure missed that.. Wish i would have known it was the third.  I did just check slush news which i should have checked prior to posting.. It looks like They are still activily trying to mitigate the issue. I know a month or so ago he had issues with teh relay network which i thought was fixed but maybe that wasnt so.. Slush pool has been around a very long time. I believe the first actual mining pool. I feel confident the issues will subside thats why im not quick to jump ship. with the recent network jumps in diff it may be that his way of calculating the amount you should have in the month is affected by the diff. idk..   i really am expecting one day soon that we hit a crazy streak of blocks..  Be a nice xmas present..  Anyway hold tight and see how it goes.. could be a bad string of variance coupled with some orphans that very well could fall well within the variance of orphans a pool might expect to get.. I think under 1 or 2 percent per year is expected. .  https://mining.bitcoin.cz/news/

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there is nothing new on Slush news - its 6 weeks old

https://mining.bitcoin.cz/news/

Slush please update - the luck is lousy

what is the issue/s

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December 07, 2015, 02:31:29 PM
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Would have been nice to ask Slush about the merged mining, orphans and if the pool is having issues with the 40 PH during his AMA on December 3rd.

Worker monitoring is the number one reason I'm staying with Slush as it's important to me since I host a number of miners at off site locations. The email alerts have saved me a number of times when my miners went down due to a loss of power so I knew to move them to another area to mine till the power issues were resolved. Places like Antpool I have to monitor my workers to see the drop in hash to know something is wrong.

I just started mining in November so I'm still trying to learn the ropes and what luck means etc, but if Antpool has over 100PH and they aren't having issues, then I have to ask myself other than hash rate, what makes Slush pool have such a low luck percentage?

Yeah i sure missed that.. Wish i would have known it was the third.  I did just check slush news which i should have checked prior to posting.. It looks like They are still activily trying to mitigate the issue. I know a month or so ago he had issues with teh relay network which i thought was fixed but maybe that wasnt so.. Slush pool has been around a very long time. I believe the first actual mining pool. I feel confident the issues will subside thats why im not quick to jump ship. with the recent network jumps in diff it may be that his way of calculating the amount you should have in the month is affected by the diff. idk..   i really am expecting one day soon that we hit a crazy streak of blocks..  Be a nice xmas present..  Anyway hold tight and see how it goes.. could be a bad string of variance coupled with some orphans that very well could fall well within the variance of orphans a pool might expect to get.. I think under 1 or 2 percent per year is expected. .  https://mining.bitcoin.cz/news/

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there is nothing new on Slush news - its 6 weeks old

https://mining.bitcoin.cz/news/

Slush please update - the luck is lousy

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ahh my bad.. i seen the facebook feed on the right of dec 3rd.  I knew he posted that he was having issues on his facebook back in late october..  guess that is the last bit of news he posted.. Its been a really rough couple months here to say the least..

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December 08, 2015, 04:28:59 AM
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The naivety and loyalty of those here is quite unsettling,
Every big pool starts out cracking plenty blocks and building a happy client base.
Somewhere down the line the luck miraculously changes and everybody gets screwed.
It's all a load of bullshnit ..
How is a 9 or 12 hour block even possible.
These pool operators all learn the tricks eventually and all of a sudden the luck changes and no one can be held accountable.
The pool operators are just filling up their personal bank accounts at our expense.
It's the same with all big business , greed and self importance take over and integrity flies out the window.
Bad luck my ..s
Be sure somebody at the top is making a fat profit and screwing over all the rest of us.
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December 08, 2015, 07:21:44 AM
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can Slush rep come on here and explain whats wrong please

One or more of the switches are off  - please check your controls

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December 08, 2015, 07:26:46 AM
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can Slush rep come on here and explain whats wrong please
No official slush support is on this forum any more. He uses facebook instead...

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December 08, 2015, 07:55:28 AM
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I'm not going to spam this forum by making specific recommendations but there is another good pool to move your hash to.

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December 08, 2015, 08:57:24 AM
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can Slush rep come on here and explain whats wrong please
No official slush support is on this forum any more. He uses facebook instead...

Oh good - so who seriously mining would be on FB?

Alena - get your company back to focus please.

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December 08, 2015, 12:26:17 PM
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The naivety and loyalty of those here is quite unsettling,
Every big pool starts out cracking plenty blocks and building a happy client base.
Somewhere down the line the luck miraculously changes and everybody gets screwed.
It's all a load of bullshnit ..
How is a 9 or 12 hour block even possible.
These pool operators all learn the tricks eventually and all of a sudden the luck changes and no one can be held accountable.
The pool operators are just filling up their personal bank accounts at our expense.
It's the same with all big business , greed and self importance take over and integrity flies out the window.
Bad luck my ..s
Be sure somebody at the top is making a fat profit and screwing over all the rest of us.

Im not saying slush is doing this..but I know its possible to move a stratum port to another pool  >> say a pps pool for a few hours.. Then swap it back.. All within the time so your machine will never notice.. This is a major issue i have with putting trust into another pool.. This should never have had to be an issue if we all stayed more decentralized!! ie solo mining.  

this could explain the odd swings in hashrate we been experiencing idk..

If you look at this chart you can see the general decline in "luck" for two of the largest pools. http://organofcorti.blogspot.com/2015/12/december-6th-2015-mining-pool-statistics_7.html . Wish f2pool was included aswell for better reference.. But it looks to me like the bigger you get the worse your luck gets.. Starting at the 52 wk chart and working your way to last week you can see th general direction the luck is headed for the largest of the pools .. Not to say it wont pick up but sure isnt looking good...

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December 08, 2015, 01:20:42 PM
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What stands out to me on this last stretch of bad luck..    It took us with over 40 ph over 7 hours to solve a nmc block.. and 12 hours in that same time frame to solve a btc block.. WhaT the pool was doing for those 7 hours is a bit questionable for sure..   Bad luck on both coins seems a bit of a stretch to me.. On nmc thats just outright terrible luck considering its diff is less than half of btc!!



5058   2015-12-08 07:07    9 minutes   42.62 Ph/s   24.13 Th/s   0.01398228 NMC   0.00001631 BTC   0.00116624 BTC
5057   2015-12-08 06:57    7 hours   42.41 Ph/s   23.99 Th/s   0.01555230 NMC   0.00001814 BTC   0.00116625 BTC
5056   2015-12-07 23:43    3 minutes   41.52 Ph/s   24.50 Th/s   0.01450796 NMC   0.00001692 BTC   0.00116624 BTC

Btc reward

25667   2015-12-08 08:31   20 minutes   42.13 Ph/s   24.07 Th/s   0.01415229 BTC   25.27481108 BTC   73
25666   2015-12-08 08:10   12 hours   44.94 Ph/s   24.38 Th/s   0.01330547 BTC   25.02811157 BTC   71
25665   2015-12-07 20:02   48 minutes   40.77 Ph/s   24.21 Th/s   0.01478686 BTC   25.40365920 BTC   Confirmed

Im starting to become a bit suspicous to say the least.. I know its possible but the odds of this happening over and over is starting to become a little hard to take.

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December 08, 2015, 05:07:07 PM
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What stands out to me on this last stretch of bad luck..    It took us with over 40 ph over 7 hours to solve a nmc block.. and 12 hours in that same time frame to solve a btc block.. WhaT the pool was doing for those 7 hours is a bit questionable for sure..   Bad luck on both coins seems a bit of a stretch to me.. On nmc thats just outright terrible luck considering its diff is less than half of btc!!



5058   2015-12-08 07:07    9 minutes   42.62 Ph/s   24.13 Th/s   0.01398228 NMC   0.00001631 BTC   0.00116624 BTC
5057   2015-12-08 06:57    7 hours   42.41 Ph/s   23.99 Th/s   0.01555230 NMC   0.00001814 BTC   0.00116625 BTC
5056   2015-12-07 23:43    3 minutes   41.52 Ph/s   24.50 Th/s   0.01450796 NMC   0.00001692 BTC   0.00116624 BTC

Btc reward

25667   2015-12-08 08:31   20 minutes   42.13 Ph/s   24.07 Th/s   0.01415229 BTC   25.27481108 BTC   73
25666   2015-12-08 08:10   12 hours   44.94 Ph/s   24.38 Th/s   0.01330547 BTC   25.02811157 BTC   71
25665   2015-12-07 20:02   48 minutes   40.77 Ph/s   24.21 Th/s   0.01478686 BTC   25.40365920 BTC   Confirmed

Im starting to become a bit suspicous to say the least.. I know its possible but the odds of this happening over and over is starting to become a little hard to take.

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Agreed...

That's why I left.  It's just too damn suspicious for me as well.

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Agreed...

That's why I left.  It's just too damn suspicious for me as well.

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December 08, 2015, 05:52:47 PM
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Im not saying slush is doing this..but I know its possible to move a stratum port to another pool  >> say a pps pool for a few hours.. Then swap it back.. All within the time so your machine will never notice.. This is a major issue i have with putting trust into another pool.. This should never have had to be an issue if we all stayed more decentralized!! ie solo mining.  

this could explain the odd swings in hashrate we been experiencing idk..

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eleuthria [The creator of BTC Guild] will tell you about the times Slush pool had moved their stratum port to BTC Guild when they were online.  I wouldn't be surprised.

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December 09, 2015, 12:12:07 AM
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What stands out to me on this last stretch of bad luck..    It took us with over 40 ph over 7 hours to solve a nmc block.. and 12 hours in that same time frame to solve a btc block.. WhaT the pool was doing for those 7 hours is a bit questionable for sure..   Bad luck on both coins seems a bit of a stretch to me.. On nmc thats just outright terrible luck considering its diff is less than half of btc!!



5058   2015-12-08 07:07    9 minutes   42.62 Ph/s   24.13 Th/s   0.01398228 NMC   0.00001631 BTC   0.00116624 BTC
5057   2015-12-08 06:57    7 hours   42.41 Ph/s   23.99 Th/s   0.01555230 NMC   0.00001814 BTC   0.00116625 BTC
5056   2015-12-07 23:43    3 minutes   41.52 Ph/s   24.50 Th/s   0.01450796 NMC   0.00001692 BTC   0.00116624 BTC

Btc reward

25667   2015-12-08 08:31   20 minutes   42.13 Ph/s   24.07 Th/s   0.01415229 BTC   25.27481108 BTC   73
25666   2015-12-08 08:10   12 hours   44.94 Ph/s   24.38 Th/s   0.01330547 BTC   25.02811157 BTC   71
25665   2015-12-07 20:02   48 minutes   40.77 Ph/s   24.21 Th/s   0.01478686 BTC   25.40365920 BTC   Confirmed

Im starting to become a bit suspicous to say the least.. I know its possible but the odds of this happening over and over is starting to become a little hard to take.

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Agreed...

That's why I left.  It's just too damn suspicious for me as well.

 I didnt know that slush was ever caught doing that.. Be nice if you can see the end destination of the mining wallet someway.. I know you can setup a proxy that would be on the same port as your pool.. then within 30 seconds shut down the pool stratum .. fire up the proxy. and bam  you are now mining with everyone hash at a pps pool.. so easy that it makes it awfully tempting.. 

Now this could actually be about luck.. Organofcorti did a pc on this back in july  about mining luck  http://organofcorti.blogspot.com/2015/07/faq-bitcoin-mining-and-luck-statistic.html.. You will see 75 % bad luck vs 25% good luck as the bad luck streaks last much longer.  Now according to him in time you should get to neutral luck.. well here is a scenario i have that will keep you from ever getting a chance at catching your luck back... So if a pool is say 10 peta for arguments sake and we have the rest of the network growing at exponential rate.. If the small pool get a streak of bad luck it can be devastating and here is why i think so.. if it say takes 10000 blocks to even out for arguments sake.. by even out i mean neutral luck.  If the network was steady that is no growth or decline in speed we will then have a steady diff.. This allows a smaller pool who might experience a ruff patch to catch up.. Yes it will take them 10 times longer than the other two pools time wise to go thru 10k blocks.. But according to statistics over time we should even out our luck.  But the problem we have is a growing network.. But its not across the board. its only a few pools.. and whats worse is its the largest of the pools.. So what happens is the diff keeps increasing. never allowing for the smaller pools to catch up on there blocks.. now with the halving coming close and there seems to be a huge push from the big boys on hashrate.. i think if a smaller pool sees a bad streak it could possibly never recover as we keep decreasing reward every 2 years roughly.  i hope im not off the wall here in my thinking.  what you all think??

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December 09, 2015, 12:36:25 AM
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Luck isn't time based, it's share based.

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December 09, 2015, 12:45:11 AM
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i moved on over to other pools 3-4 mths ago from slush to other pools & now @ K pool.

no support or reply me no likey.
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December 09, 2015, 12:46:56 AM
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I am probably going to switch permantely to a PPS pool because lately this pool has horrible horrible luck.

I really wish this pool would go PPS because their servers are good but its costing me alot of loss from the bad luck.

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