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February 12, 2016, 06:46:34 PM
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its clearely withholding attacks look at that today the pool peak at 50ph and found 2 blocks 18 hours

when there is lower hash there is more blocks 5 / 7 a day
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February 12, 2016, 06:53:55 PM
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I do wonder what the hell an "Almost Block" is?
It's a result of "almost mining", like "Oops, I was almost mining at slush until I did some actual research."

Many things to ponder here, but it's the little things that get me, like if the thread title can't bother to be updated with the pool hash rate in who knows how long, what does that say?  Says a lot to me.

the thread title is there to let you know how much is being used for the withholding attack.

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February 12, 2016, 07:02:49 PM
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https://bitcoinmagazine.com/articles/slush-pool-introduces-provably-fair-bitcoin-mining-1455217308

LMFAO.. of all the pools to come with this article.. WTF.. i swear this world has gone bonkers!!

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The so called "Captain" has obviously paid someone to do this article.  He's in "repair" mode to try to gain back a tarnished reputation.  I KNOW he reads this thread but doesn't have the balls to face his naive members.



you'd think it would be in his best interest to just ban this guy altogether. i mean shit its at 50 ph and just doing horrible again.. like its at really 15 ph.  so slush still only making what he was then as he only gets paid per block.. all he is doing now is pissing off the community with his inability to run a pool.  its obvious the guy withholding is using a proxy and can just turn on and off. Hell what if in his code he only submits blocks that are just a fraction under the diff.  so slush stupid "almost blocks" solution wont really matter.. the with holder can easily write code to check bitcoind for the diff and only submit blocks if its under .05 % of the difficulty  .. its crazy that he would come out with such info and then allow the miner to continue what they are obviously still doing.. ahh well..many have been warned but when i check the stats page there are so many small miners left.. crazy to me..

https://mining.bitcoin.cz/stats/
thousands of small miners still with no clue? i tried to post on that article to bring light to this thread but they wont let it submit .. imagine that.. such a great democracy within bitcoin  Roll Eyes

heres what i posted on the bottom in the comment section.

"https://mining.bitcoin.cz/news/
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1976.msg13804018#msg13804018
if you have time the real story is here.. not this bs! read thru the last 10 -20 pages on the bitcointalk thread starting at that link go forward but especially back when we started to worry about slush pool performance and he ignored us for months only for miners to lose their asses in mining income.!!"

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February 12, 2016, 07:36:50 PM
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Slush pool was my very first mining pool and I was on it for a good while. There has been many shady things in the past where miners did not get paid the right amounts, some got over paid, some under paid and a few times the blocks did not show up on the pool but people seen the pool found a block on Blockchain, but also many times when the pools hash rate jumped up the pool would quit hitting blocks. At first when some brought it up I did not believe them, but after so long a pattern starts to show that could not be ignored. Trying to get help on here from the operator was impossible. Needless to say I left.
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February 12, 2016, 10:50:28 PM
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My way is: Slush - Eligius - Antpool - Slush - Kano
And I'm going to stay with Kanos Pool till I'll stop mining  Cool

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February 13, 2016, 01:02:14 AM
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This pool is so dry! 52 PH/s and hardly 2 blocks! Eligius with 9PH/s had more blocks! Its really frustrating that this SO called Captain is silent like a Russian KGB!
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February 13, 2016, 01:12:07 AM
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he wont even answer back on facebook wall so sent this via facebook

cmon slush at least let the dedicated miners know whats goin on every one have a look here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1976.21660;topicseen at least have the decenty to reply to the topic instead of hiding !!!!!! as most of the bitcoin community is on this forum Kano.is the way forward at least the pool op posts updates and answers any question !!! pull ur finger out !
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February 13, 2016, 06:00:51 AM
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This pool is so dry! 52 PH/s and hardly 2 blocks! Eligius with 9PH/s had more blocks! Its really frustrating that this SO called Captain is silent like a Russian KGB!

So is there really 52PH pointed here then?  Might be the reported hash rate is the problem, not the blocks the pool is (not) solving.  /shrug
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February 13, 2016, 06:03:16 AM
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This pool is so dry! 52 PH/s and hardly 2 blocks! Eligius with 9PH/s had more blocks! Its really frustrating that this SO called Captain is silent like a Russian KGB!

So is there really 52PH pointed here then?  Might be the reported hash rate is the problem, not the blocks the pool is (not) solving.  /shrug
Yes but if the claimed hashrate is 52PH then miners will only get a proportion of rewards relative to the 52PH.

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February 13, 2016, 10:44:43 AM
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and now 3 blocks in less than 40 min

its was the withholded blocks from yesterday look the chart on the stats 3 blocks after a drop of hashrate from the pool

theyr waiting a drop of hash to realease them so theyr more paid when the scoring hash is low =)

i think this is from the 2 users with the most of hash routly they have 15 ph
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February 13, 2016, 10:02:27 PM
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and now 3 blocks in less than 40 min

its was the withholded blocks from yesterday look the chart on the stats 3 blocks after a drop of hashrate from the pool

theyr waiting a drop of hash to realease them so theyr more paid when the scoring hash is low =)

i think this is from the 2 users with the most of hash routly they have 15 ph
Sounds possible. So i guessed, they use high hash rate to collect blocks, then use low rate to hash.
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February 15, 2016, 05:37:21 PM
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well still no answer from the late great captain.. Guess if you stick your head in the sand long enough you'll all just forget about this ever happening.. well come to find out slush should have been able to detect this long before now at the scale this attack was/is occurring. what he should do is compensate those that can prove they mined here from the time he announced support for xt(when the pool went down hill) and the time he announced that it was a block withholding attack.. here is an article for you to read slush since i know you read this thread.. http://organofcorti.blogspot.com/2016/02/detecting-unintentional-block.html

Looking forward to how you address this with those that lost their asses mining at your pool. > Why should the miner that had these problems be allowed to continue mining here?  Why should the entire pool be punished for this miners bad hw?  Shouldn't the miner have to compensate the pool for this unintentional or not?    And i find it funny that you have yet to tell us what miners(brand) they are and what software was on them.. Seems to me there is much more to this story than you are letting us know!.. If you want this to all go away im sure compensating the miners from your 50k a month youve been making on fees would go a long way in rectifying this situation along with the info on the attack for other pool OPS!.. Lets see who slush is looking out for!  Himself? or the community?

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EDIT even funnier yet.. "By allowing the public to examine block hashes, Slushes pool will allow you to check for block withholding too. If they also include an anonymised user account identifier, the pool difficulty for that block hash and the number of block hashes returned by that user at that pool difficulty, you'll also be able to check for unintentional block withholding. I hope other pools follow suit."

Slush gets pool fees yet he expects us to babysit it for him. If it wasnt for a group of us letting him know this wouldnt have even been an issue. Slush said it was luck! FFS. what a joke.. slush needs to take some damn accountability here.. UFF WTF


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February 15, 2016, 08:33:02 PM
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EDIT even funnier yet.. "By allowing the public to examine block hashes, Slushes pool will allow you to check for block withholding too. If they also include an anonymised user account identifier, the pool difficulty for that block hash and the number of block hashes returned by that user at that pool difficulty, you'll also be able to check for unintentional block withholding. I hope other pools follow suit."

Slush gets pool fees yet he expects us to babysit it for him. If it wasnt for a group of us letting him know this wouldnt have even been an issue. Slush said it was luck! FFS. what a joke.. slush needs to take some damn accountability here.. UFF WTF



You misunderstand. "Babysitting" wasn't the point, rather that instead of just assuming a problem exists you can actually check to see if it exists. Regardless of how you think this recent problem at Slush's pool has been handled, the idea that blockhashes will be published to improve pool transparency seems to me to be a big step forward for pooled mining.



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February 16, 2016, 10:16:41 AM
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30 hours / 4 blocks . @ 60 % day and sub again ^^
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February 16, 2016, 01:42:31 PM
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EDIT even funnier yet.. "By allowing the public to examine block hashes, Slushes pool will allow you to check for block withholding too. If they also include an anonymised user account identifier, the pool difficulty for that block hash and the number of block hashes returned by that user at that pool difficulty, you'll also be able to check for unintentional block withholding. I hope other pools follow suit."

Slush gets pool fees yet he expects us to babysit it for him. If it wasnt for a group of us letting him know this wouldnt have even been an issue. Slush said it was luck! FFS. what a joke.. slush needs to take some damn accountability here.. UFF WTF



You misunderstand. "Babysitting" wasn't the point, rather that instead of just assuming a problem exists you can actually check to see if it exists. Regardless of how you think this recent problem at Slush's pool has been handled, the idea that blockhashes will be published to improve pool transparency seems to me to be a big step forward for pooled mining.




i think its a step in the right direction but total silence from slush on this should be a BIG RED FLAG>> NOW its shit again .. there is too much of a pattern to this to ignore!.. Now he is pushing 50 peta.. If you ask me.. this is all smoke and mirrors for a piss poor server setup.. This pool needs to be shut down to the public if this is how its going to be operated!  

Edit.. just so you know for the longest time slush block propagation was very poor which caused us how many lost blocks. he even admits it saying he didnt have matt corralos relay network configured right.. https://mining.bitcoin.cz/news/recent-orphaned-blocks-explanation/   This was goin on 4 months ago now. that this pool has had problems of all sorts.. Seems to be a pattern emerging there aswell..  

Edit moreso the problems probably started about this time frame https://mining.bitcoin.cz/news/update-bip101-voting-disabled-because-of-ddos-attack/
then he tries to fix his servers after the community gave him a thank you for switching to 8 mb vote!.  https://mining.bitcoin.cz/news/short-website-maintenance-23-9-24-9/

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February 16, 2016, 03:39:24 PM
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32 hours / 4 blocks . insane

Slushpool down ohh yeaaa . too much hashrate 56% pool luck / day - Holy shit
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February 16, 2016, 05:52:42 PM
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Edit moreso the problems probably started about this time frame https://mining.bitcoin.cz/news/update-bip101-voting-disabled-because-of-ddos-attack/
then he tries to fix his servers after the community gave him a thank you for switching to 8 mb vote!.  https://mining.bitcoin.cz/news/short-website-maintenance-23-9-24-9/

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Hello d57heinz

I do not understand how this attack could permanently disrupt the pool.

Do not you think that a bug in the NMC merged mining software could be the cause of some of the problems?

I feel that the troubles of the pool is started then.  But it's just feeling...

I totally agree with you on that slush seems to not care about us!...
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February 16, 2016, 06:27:23 PM
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Edit moreso the problems probably started about this time frame https://mining.bitcoin.cz/news/update-bip101-voting-disabled-because-of-ddos-attack/
then he tries to fix his servers after the community gave him a thank you for switching to 8 mb vote!.  https://mining.bitcoin.cz/news/short-website-maintenance-23-9-24-9/

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Hello d57heinz

I do not understand how this attack could permanently disrupt the pool.

Do not you think that a bug in the NMC merged mining software could be the cause of some of the problems?

I feel that the troubles of the pool is started then.  But it's just feeling...

I totally agree with you on that slush seems to not care about us!...

You very much could be right. the extra strain merged mining causes could be part of it.For what nmc worth its a joke to even bother!  looking further back on his news and you can see that he started merged aswell just before this all went to shit.. So i feel its a number of factors but the greatest one being that he doesnt seem to give a shit about the damage he has caused and continues to inflict on the miners that still mine there(while he haphazardly works out the problems). Also he has yet to come with what brand miners supposedly had the bad code.. Should make for a good story there im sure!  if you look at the blocks found on the dashboard  click the nmc button on the top right of the graph and watch it for the next couple weeks.. Slush finds shit tons of nmc blocks. but what is odd to me is that the pool hardly ever finds a nmc block along with a btc block.. i could see once n a while being orphaned on nmc but its my understanding that nmc being about 1/4 the diff of btc you should almost always find a block of nmc when you find a block of btc  but with slush that isn't the case..  Most likely server issues or propagation issues with nmc as well..  I know about a month ago he was getting block notifications up to 30 seconds after the rest of the pools on btc(this alone attributes to 72 min of mining on old work every day for who knows how long!).. That's a shitload of lost work on old blocks!  anyway its like beating a dead horse at this point. Im working on submitting what im owed from sept to dec when i finally said hell with this i'm moving to kano. Good luck with this.. Hope your captain gets his shit together.. Just know that lost blocks due to bad luck in theory should hopefully get caught up with good luck.. but when its server issues and block withholdings.. you will never regain back your losses.

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February 17, 2016, 01:43:21 AM
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I agree that it wasn't a good idea of Slush (or whoever is in charge) to stop posting in here. This is either poor customer service, or there was simply too much trolling at some time and he gave up keeping this thread tidy.
I do not agree with some of your technical statements, though:

the extra strain merged mining causes
Could you please elaborate?
How many microseconds of CPU time you think it takes to process and insert an incoming NMC tx into the mempool, for example?


For what nmc worth its a joke to even bother!
Miners at this pool asked for re-activating merged mining a while ago. Not because of the extra money, but because they wanted a few NMCs for free, to be able to experiment with decentralized key/value storage on the NMC blockchain, for example, or for registering a NameId for Bitmessage and OpenID.



but what is odd to me is that the pool hardly ever finds a nmc block along with a btc block.
What do you mean with "hardly ever"? At a merged-mining pool a BTC block always comes along with an NMC block. I recommend you take a look at the auxPoW data in a merged-mined block, see https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Merged_mining_specification

By the way, this pool found 91 NMC blocks und 31 BTC blocks (or 34%) since the last difficulty change on either chain (i.e. 2016-02-11 22:30:59 UTC on the NMC blockchain).
The current NMC/BTC difficulty ratio is 45789403314 to 144116447847 which means that this pool should find BTC blocks at a rate of 32% compared to the NMC block rate.
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February 17, 2016, 12:29:42 PM
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Two blocks appeared in less than 2mins Huh?
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