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August 20, 2015, 02:00:48 PM
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did the second XT block also came from slush's pool?
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August 20, 2015, 02:04:56 PM
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did the second XT block also came from slush's pool?
Yes.  For future reference, see: https://www.blocktrail.com/BTC/blocks/1
They're tracking both coinbase sigScript (including BIP100) type 'votes' as well as BIP101 (Bitcoin-XT) votes and include pool attribution.

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August 20, 2015, 02:09:07 PM
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did the second XT block also came from slush's pool?
Yes.  For future reference, see: https://www.blocktrail.com/BTC/blocks/1
They're tracking both coinbase sigScript (including BIP100) type 'votes' as well as BIP101 (Bitcoin-XT) votes and include pool attribution.

thank you for the link. what are this 8MB votes from some chinese miner pools?
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August 20, 2015, 02:32:50 PM
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did the second XT block also came from slush's pool?
Yes.  For future reference, see: https://www.blocktrail.com/BTC/blocks/1
They're tracking both coinbase sigScript (including BIP100) type 'votes' as well as BIP101 (Bitcoin-XT) votes and include pool attribution.

thank you for the link. what are this 8MB votes from some chinese miner pools?
Voting with coinbase(not exchange)... Saying we would like to see 8MB blocks. But they are not doing it with XT but QT... For now they are waiting for devs to do something...
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August 20, 2015, 02:38:31 PM
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thank you for the link. what are this 8MB votes from some chinese miner pools?
Wrong thread for that.  Summary below, but if you have follow-up questions on a specific portion, try to find an appropriate thread.
Back when the block size discussion was starting to heat up, a proposal was made for 20MB blocks, something that Chinese pools felt would affect them negatively too much.  Parallel to the Chinese pools' concerns, the proposal was already reduced to 8MB.  Several Chinese pools felt that was acceptable, made an official statement (English) to that effect, and some started signing their coinbase scriptSig (already used by many to mark pool attribution) using BIP100 style block voting ("/BVsizeinbytes/"), though others just put in "8M/" or even just threw in "8M" somewhere (e.g. BW's "BW Support 8M").  They have more recently stated that while they support larger blocks, they have no desire to support Bitcoin-XT. Whether that's borne out of concerns of the other modifications or just a preference to keep a centralized codebase, who knows.

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August 20, 2015, 04:22:44 PM
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Seems like an alternative set of URLs is the only way to realistically implement a voting system. If they made it account based (for example) then there would be overhead forwarding mining traffic to the appropriate stratum server.

It would actually be trivial to implement it via an account flag.  The only thing changing if you want to vote for XT is a version number on the block header.


And with that, it's obvious that the pool operators should indeed be more specific in what exactly is on the back-end of the 3301 port.  There's at least 3 readily accessible possibilities;
1. Bitcoin-XT, which has the block vote but also already contains the additional other changes.
2. Big-block only, which has the block vote and all code to handle big blocks, but does not contain the additional other changes.
3. Not-XT, which only pretends to be XT and sets the version number (thus voting), but does not actually have the code to handle big blocks (or any of the parts that take votes into account)

#1 and #2 are the same.  Bitcoin-XT is a CLIENT for a BIP101 Hardfork.  All the bullshit people keep raising over blacklisting and IP tracking is CLIENT SIDE denial of service measures.  They are not protocol level changes.  They could be implemented in a Bitcoin Core client and probably have been by people already that have been trying to do blockchain analysis and de-anonymization analysis.

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August 20, 2015, 05:16:39 PM
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Seems like an alternative set of URLs is the only way to realistically implement a voting system. If they made it account based (for example) then there would be overhead forwarding mining traffic to the appropriate stratum server.

It would actually be trivial to implement it via an account flag.  The only thing changing if you want to vote for XT is a version number on the block header.
That would be a lot better... It took me 20+ minutes. I'm sure that someone will not take the time to do it... So yes if it is easy please add it... I came hire to ask if it would be posible to add a marker to workers so you can be sure on what core is it. QT or XT. But that is better...
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August 20, 2015, 05:30:55 PM
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Seems like an alternative set of URLs is the only way to realistically implement a voting system. If they made it account based (for example) then there would be overhead forwarding mining traffic to the appropriate stratum server.

It would actually be trivial to implement it via an account flag.  The only thing changing if you want to vote for XT is a version number on the block header.
That would be a lot better... It took me 20+ minutes. I'm sure that someone will not take the time to do it... So yes if it is easy please add it... I came hire to ask if it would be posible to add a marker to workers so you can be sure on what core is it. QT or XT. But that is better...
Slush don't live here anymore! Make your request via their facebook page and it will be more likely to get a response. Even better, put that request in the developement corner centre (its more likely to get their attention faster if it is voted up!).

PS. I recomend the last option ...

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August 20, 2015, 05:39:06 PM
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Seems like an alternative set of URLs is the only way to realistically implement a voting system. If they made it account based (for example) then there would be overhead forwarding mining traffic to the appropriate stratum server.

It would actually be trivial to implement it via an account flag.  The only thing changing if you want to vote for XT is a version number on the block header.
That would be a lot better... It took me 20+ minutes. I'm sure that someone will not take the time to do it... So yes if it is easy please add it... I came hire to ask if it would be posible to add a marker to workers so you can be sure on what core is it. QT or XT. But that is better...
Slush don't live here anymore! Make your request via their facebook page and it will be more likely to get a response. Even better, put that request in the developement corner centre (its more likely to get their attention faster if it is voted up!).

PS. I recomend the last option ...
Thanks but I don't use FB and the last time I used this pool was when it was 1.0. I must say I like this 2.0 staff. Need to figure out how things are now hire... But I must say I'm it is nice to return...
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August 20, 2015, 10:31:13 PM
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I suggest that everyone should read Mike Hearn's article on why we should fork. This is a crossroads in history and I hope that we collectively will make the right decision. So think carefully and please be rational and apply reason and decide for your self what kind of a Bitcoin you want.

https://medium.com/@octskyward/why-is-bitcoin-forking-d647312d22c1
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August 21, 2015, 10:27:02 AM
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I dont want to be part in this BitcoinXT nonsense and after 3 years i have drop machine from this pool. All the people that didnt support the fork of Bitcoin and the destruction of this cryptocurrency revolution must stop mining in slush pool asap

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August 21, 2015, 01:30:28 PM
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me too, half of my hash is there, i dont wanna give a chance to XT so my miners are not there right now, bad move Slush....

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August 21, 2015, 02:09:15 PM
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Can you both read?
By default your hashrate is a vote for Core/QT not XT.
If you want to support XT, you need to change your miners to different port.

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August 21, 2015, 04:53:00 PM
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Can you both read?
By default your hashrate is a vote for Core/QT not XT.
If you want to support XT, you need to change your miners to different port.
Indeed Slush just gives us the choice, that is a good thing. Also hard forks like this are sometimes necessary for Bitcoin to remain free and decentralized, so it is good that Slush supports it. The ability to hard fork in this way represents the check that we have against the power that a core development team could hold. If you think that we should never hard fork it is the equivalent of saying that the core developers have absolute power over the development of the Bitcoin protocol. Or as Mike Hearn said "they believe that the only mechanism that Bitcoin has to keep them in check should never be used".

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August 21, 2015, 04:58:15 PM
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Can you both read?
By default your hashrate is a vote for Core/QT not XT.
If you want to support XT, you need to change your miners to different port.
Indeed Slush just gives us the choice, that is a good thing. Also hard forks like this are sometimes necessary for Bitcoin to remain free and decentralized, so it is good that Slush supports it. The ability to hard fork in this way represents the check that we have against the power that a core development team could hold. If you think that we should never hard fork it is the equivalent of saying that the core developers have absolute power over the development of the Bitcoin protocol. Or as Mike Hearn said "they believe that the only mechanism that Bitcoin has to keep them in check should never be used".

https://medium.com/@octskyward/why-is-bitcoin-forking-d647312d22c1

and to be against the power of the core developer team the solution is to give the power to only one developer Tongue Ok.. yeah..  Huh

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August 21, 2015, 05:09:58 PM
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and to be against the power of the core developer team the solution is to give the power to only one developer Tongue Ok.. yeah..  Huh

One can be right amongst a crowd, let alone a "team" of five, but that is besides the point (and the choice offered by slush). That debate, though, belongs to another thread.

The vote offered by slush is an inspired one on many levels, given that there are options available to the one peddled by the "majority core dev team" (and known to the entire bitcoin world). By the looks of it, more hashes than not seem to agree with the "minority of 2" in the bitcoin core developement "team" (pool rate is now past 17PH and growing ..... not to mention improving luck!).

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August 21, 2015, 05:12:51 PM
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One to rule them all. this is not bitcoin. You just describe something else. If you dont like how bitcoin works why you dont create an altcoin with your rules and isntead of that you try to capture and hijack bitcoin?

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August 21, 2015, 11:46:38 PM
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There are only 3 "XT blocks" in the last 500 - all 3 slush - and only slush.
https://www.blocktrail.com/BTC/blocks/1

Edit: well actually it is 2 (as I first posted) the 3rd one is just outside 500 Smiley

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August 22, 2015, 03:16:12 AM
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One to rule them all. this is not bitcoin. You just describe something else. If you dont like how bitcoin works why you dont create an altcoin with your rules and isntead of that you try to capture and hijack bitcoin?
That is how Bitcoin works, actually being intrinsically against a hard fork is more like trying to capture and hijack Bitcoin. Furthermore increasing the block size is more in line with the origonal vision of Satoshi Nakamoto so it would be more accurate to say that the Core developers should create an alt coin instead. The ability to hard fork ensures that the development can ultimately be decided on by the users and the miners of Bitcoin.

I support BIP101 because I think that bigger blocks are better then being “forced” to rely on third party payment processors, which is what not increasing the block size would lead to.

To put it simply, if we do not increase the block size it will be more expensive and less people will be able to use it, that is to transact on the main chain directly. It would be better to keep the network as inclusive and inexpensive as possible from the users perspective since it would be more important to increase mass adoption before developing a fee market, since the block reward is still high and adoption is still relatively low.

However if we increase the block size then it will be less expensive and more people will be able to use it. I think that increasing the block size is the most decentralized option, even if full nodes will only be able to be hosted on powerful computers, since miners do not run full nodes, the pools do. I do not think that confining Bitcoin to the role of a clearing house so to speak would necessary provide enough incentive for mining far into the future if we want Bitcoin to be the largest and therefore the most secure proof of work blockchain. So think carefully and please be rational and use reason and decide for your self what kind of a Bitcoin you want.
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August 22, 2015, 05:11:02 AM
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There are only 3 "XT blocks" in the last 500 - all 3 slush - and only slush.
https://www.blocktrail.com/BTC/blocks/1

Edit: well actually it is 2 (as I first posted) the 3rd one is just outside 500 Smiley
Moot point (and offtopic).
There are many more (bigger) 8MB blocks, and not many from slush, actually none from slush. (now go spam somewhere else!)

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