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February 20, 2014, 11:33:50 PM |
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Lot's of theories floating around these days about the pool.
One fact is that the old timers (well if 6 months mining is an old timer) are lying low and by looks of the cluster performance the preponderance of evidence says those big rigs the "old timers" have are staying connected to the pool. Now if I were a betting man I'd put my money on the old timers knowing that things are ok in a general sense and problems will sort themselves out in time.
To look to the pool as the major fault when you still have training wheels on your rig is probably looking in the wrong place.
The "old timers" used GPUs , all this is brand new. Huge ASICs, massive difficulty, all new, always will be now. Work with evidence and facts not with mystical witchdoctor of bitcoin mining theories. I could spend all night quoting really fucking stupid things that "old timers" have said about mining and bitcoin, but an obvious one was the recent poll where the majority on this forum thought that XBT would hit 5k by the end of 2014, or Google / Paypal / Apple adopting bitcoin...none of which look likely now if you go on actual evidence. Here's some more "old timers" predictions involving tech. http://www.techhive.com/article/155984/worst_tech_predictions.html Fuck old timers, use your logic. ![Wink](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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February 20, 2014, 11:44:48 PM |
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Looks like the Processing......... has caught up Yep. Anyone else noticing very inconsistent rewards? I'm trying to tell if its my new miners or the pool. From the past few blocks its varying as much as 20% 21711 2014-02-20 21:38:34 0:17:10 186595076 46065 0.00587115 286948 25.09469911 92 confirmations left 21710 2014-02-20 21:21:24 1:08:22 756999055 193510 0.00699399 286944 25.03910512 88 confirmations left 21709 2014-02-20 20:13:02 0:25:51 284891266 66230 0.00538017 286932 25.05930000 76 confirmations left 21708 2014-02-20 19:47:11 0:36:26 392076851 106930 0.00690352 286927 25.12374100 71 confirmations left 21707 2014-02-20 19:10:45 3:23:23 2264329898 565545 0.00667764 286923 25.05155156 67 confirmations left 21706 2014-02-20 15:47:22 2:18:10 1546733558 382580 0.00608317 286899 25.16281611 43 confirmations left 21705 2014-02-20 13:29:12 12:10:58 8158887290 2073480 0.00600212 286887 25.00857475 31 confirmations lef Assuming that you had steady mining at your side (ruling out the peculiar time effects of Slush's unique exponential 'anti-hopping' algorithm), you are at the mercy of fluctuations in the total pool behavior. Looking at your results, without doing any calculations, they seem fine. You can calculate your share as a proportion of the total shares (deducting the 2% pool fee) For block 21711 25.09469911*46065/186595076*(1-0.02)=0.006071262 your actual reward was 0.00587115, which is quite close. Note that the pool total share does not include the 'score' which has some time domain effects due to Slush's exponential thing. You may repeat this calculation for your other blocks, but I don't think that you'll find anything alarming there either. Cheers
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February 21, 2014, 12:13:50 AM Last edit: February 21, 2014, 12:27:38 AM by kabopar |
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Just noticed a dip in my Estimated reward on the Account page, it dropped to something like 0.0056 of the calculated reward based on my hash rate (no problems at my end with either mining rigs or internet connectivity). This looks like another 'hiccup' at the pool end, similar to what we had recently causing incorrect reward calculations that took a while to be 'readjusted'.
Cheers
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February 21, 2014, 12:23:37 AM |
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I'd probably have slightly less rejected shares if I moved my various miners onto the same router as my proxy but I'm not putting all the whirring S#$t that runs the backend squarely into the middle of the man cave for a few bucks lost profit. I see some stale shares but the rejects aren't a high enough percentage to alarm me and I'm not convinced that extra hop in the house makes a significant impact.
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February 21, 2014, 01:03:33 AM |
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February 21, 2014, 02:42:19 AM |
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Looks like the Processing......... has caught up Yep. Anyone else noticing very inconsistent rewards? I'm trying to tell if its my new miners or the pool. From the past few blocks its varying as much as 20% 21711 2014-02-20 21:38:34 0:17:10 186595076 46065 0.00587115 286948 25.09469911 92 confirmations left 21710 2014-02-20 21:21:24 1:08:22 756999055 193510 0.00699399 286944 25.03910512 88 confirmations left 21709 2014-02-20 20:13:02 0:25:51 284891266 66230 0.00538017 286932 25.05930000 76 confirmations left 21708 2014-02-20 19:47:11 0:36:26 392076851 106930 0.00690352 286927 25.12374100 71 confirmations left 21707 2014-02-20 19:10:45 3:23:23 2264329898 565545 0.00667764 286923 25.05155156 67 confirmations left 21706 2014-02-20 15:47:22 2:18:10 1546733558 382580 0.00608317 286899 25.16281611 43 confirmations left 21705 2014-02-20 13:29:12 12:10:58 8158887290 2073480 0.00600212 286887 25.00857475 31 confirmations lef Assuming that you had steady mining at your side (ruling out the peculiar time effects of Slush's unique exponential 'anti-hopping' algorithm), you are at the mercy of fluctuations in the total pool behavior. Looking at your results, without doing any calculations, they seem fine. You can calculate your share as a proportion of the total shares (deducting the 2% pool fee) For block 21711 25.09469911*46065/186595076*(1-0.02)=0.006071262 your actual reward was 0.00587115, which is quite close. Note that the pool total share does not include the 'score' which has some time domain effects due to Slush's exponential thing. You may repeat this calculation for your other blocks, but I don't think that you'll find anything alarming there either. Cheers You hit the nail on the head.. Slushes over sensitive pool hopping algorithm it taking its toll on slow miners "and even some big ones" .. I've tested it and compared it to other pools and have to admit it IS in my opinion WAY over sensitive... For this reason I think it tends to drive away more than just pool hoppers.. I really noticed it when my stratum proxy would flake out every now and then .. That's one of the things that prompted me to test with other pools..
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February 21, 2014, 02:47:30 AM |
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You hit the nail on the head.. Slushes over sensitive pool hopping algorithm it taking its toll on slow miners "and even some big ones" .. I've tested it and compared it to other pools and have to admit it IS in my opinion WAY over sensitive... For this reason I think it tends to drive away more than just pool hoppers.. I really noticed it when my stratum proxy would flake out every now and then .. That's one of the things that prompted me to test with other pools..
If you have any moderate amount of hashing speed, then the exponential algorithm doesn't play that large a factor. . if the hashing speed isn't able to make a difference that offsets the normal number of shares that you would hash - then it will make a difference. I don't pool hop, but my payouts the last 20 rounds are all within about 8% of each other.
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February 21, 2014, 04:40:57 AM |
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My stats are for a 200 GH/s miner that is connected via wired ethernet. They varied up to 23% so I'm not sure whats thats all about. I will have 400 GH/s up tomorrow, and 600 GH/s by next week.
What do you consider moderate?
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February 21, 2014, 06:29:28 AM |
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You get the chance to roll again - not being smug or anything but 800TH max - no fancy calculations or theories - you just have to have been here a little - now to find the low point - my moneys on 740TH - just a guess -y'all have a great day miningI shall now predict the next lottery result and the date of the second coming. What about 'next round in 3h 15min prediction' ![Tongue](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/tongue.gif) EDIT: Folowed by sub 1h round Close - 3h 23min Any takers for the next one? And a 36min one ... what did I won?
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necro_nemesis
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February 21, 2014, 11:36:38 AM |
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We're almost at 800. Let's wait and see what happens. ![Grin](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/grin.gif)
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February 21, 2014, 11:43:09 AM |
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My stats are for a 200 GH/s miner that is connected via wired ethernet. They varied up to 23% so I'm not sure whats thats all about. I will have 400 GH/s up tomorrow, and 600 GH/s by next week.
What do you consider moderate?
I ran 2 antminer s1 2 x 200 GH/s allready AVG 1.8 BTC monthly, i plan to connect another one after one month... i hope the rate will fix till few weeks ... 568 dollar really low :-( compare few month past... and unlucky crazy 12 hours 1 block but now slush looks good
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necro_nemesis
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February 21, 2014, 11:55:14 AM |
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We just tipped over 8 and nabbed another block.
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February 21, 2014, 12:38:53 PM |
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My stats are for a 200 GH/s miner that is connected via wired ethernet. They varied up to 23% so I'm not sure whats thats all about. I will have 400 GH/s up tomorrow, and 600 GH/s by next week.
What do you consider moderate?
I would say when you get to 400 would be about where moderate is these days to smooth out the amount of shares that you'll receive.. I'm at 1.4 I think in slush's pool and my rewards are all fairly consisten in that they have not gone out over 8% in any given round in the last 10 to 20 rounds. They have edged up a bit in the last week when we lost alot of hashing power in the pool and started to edge back down as we are climbing back over 800, but other than that, fairly consistent.
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February 21, 2014, 03:22:28 PM |
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As Long a we don't go too far over the 800TH we should be fine - All eat garlic and blow the Hoppers away... I really should have listened at school so I could come up with a fancy calculation but hey I didn't and I'm still right I could become quite insufferable if I'm not careful...We're almost at 800. Let's wait and see what happens. ![Grin](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/grin.gif)
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February 21, 2014, 05:58:36 PM |
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I could become quite insufferable if I'm not careful...We're almost at 800. Let's wait and see what happens. ![Grin](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/grin.gif) If it comes to that we're fortunate enough to have the infamous "ignore" option but you; well your just going to have to live with yourself. ![Grin](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/grin.gif)
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February 21, 2014, 07:33:59 PM |
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Looks like the Processing......... has caught up Yep. Anyone else noticing very inconsistent rewards? I'm trying to tell if its my new miners or the pool. From the past few blocks its varying as much as 20% 21711 2014-02-20 21:38:34 0:17:10 186595076 46065 0.00587115 286948 25.09469911 92 confirmations left 21710 2014-02-20 21:21:24 1:08:22 756999055 193510 0.00699399 286944 25.03910512 88 confirmations left 21709 2014-02-20 20:13:02 0:25:51 284891266 66230 0.00538017 286932 25.05930000 76 confirmations left 21708 2014-02-20 19:47:11 0:36:26 392076851 106930 0.00690352 286927 25.12374100 71 confirmations left 21707 2014-02-20 19:10:45 3:23:23 2264329898 565545 0.00667764 286923 25.05155156 67 confirmations left 21706 2014-02-20 15:47:22 2:18:10 1546733558 382580 0.00608317 286899 25.16281611 43 confirmations left 21705 2014-02-20 13:29:12 12:10:58 8158887290 2073480 0.00600212 286887 25.00857475 31 confirmations lef by your reward per block I would say u r around 180gh/s but .0069x would be high for that so maybe 200gh/s with the .0053x u have 25minutes of bad luck
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February 21, 2014, 07:38:33 PM |
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Looks like the Processing......... has caught up Yep. Anyone else noticing very inconsistent rewards? I'm trying to tell if its my new miners or the pool. From the past few blocks its varying as much as 20% 21711 2014-02-20 21:38:34 0:17:10 186595076 46065 0.00587115 286948 25.09469911 92 confirmations left 21710 2014-02-20 21:21:24 1:08:22 756999055 193510 0.00699399 286944 25.03910512 88 confirmations left 21709 2014-02-20 20:13:02 0:25:51 284891266 66230 0.00538017 286932 25.05930000 76 confirmations left 21708 2014-02-20 19:47:11 0:36:26 392076851 106930 0.00690352 286927 25.12374100 71 confirmations left 21707 2014-02-20 19:10:45 3:23:23 2264329898 565545 0.00667764 286923 25.05155156 67 confirmations left 21706 2014-02-20 15:47:22 2:18:10 1546733558 382580 0.00608317 286899 25.16281611 43 confirmations left 21705 2014-02-20 13:29:12 12:10:58 8158887290 2073480 0.00600212 286887 25.00857475 31 confirmations lef by your reward per block I would say u r around 180gh/s but .0069x would be high for that so maybe 200gh/s with the .0053x u have 25minutes of bad luck 190Gh is approximately 0.0058 per round, based on my average over the last 20 rounds. . This looks to be an average of around 0.0061 with an 0.0069 outlier, so maybe 200Gh ?? an overclocked to 375 antminer at 192gh or so doesn't average 0.006 but just a bit below. .
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February 21, 2014, 07:53:03 PM |
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We're almost at 800. Let's wait and see what happens. ![Grin](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/grin.gif) yeah, we are way too small. ADD Hashers!!! NOW!
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February 21, 2014, 07:54:35 PM |
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I could become quite insufferable if I'm not careful...We're almost at 800. Let's wait and see what happens. ![Grin](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/grin.gif) If it comes to that we're fortunate enough to have the infamous "ignore" option but you; well your just going to have to live with yourself. ![Grin](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/grin.gif) If it comes to that I'll hit the button myself and hope i go away.. We are getting dangerously close to a the 800TH mark again and nearly 8hrs - somebody sacrifice a 10 - 15 TH farm for the sake of the rest of us - ya know it makes sense...
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