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Just like with beggars on the street, I would be willing to give to a beggar that’s creative. I would give this guy $10.



Of course, a creative beggar is providing a service which should be rewarded. However, I'm afraid 10$ would solve only a few micron of that beggar's problem Smiley
So should we open a CREATIVE MERIT BEGGING thread? Wink
That would open the way to a whole new ecology of merit-rewarding games and competitions, even though I am afraid that the true spirit of the reform could get *slightly* twisted in the process...

That’s probably the most positive thing someone has said in this thread yet. It would be interesting to see an off-topic thread devoted to games and competitions that paid in merit. Creative begging could pull beggars from other sections of the forum and let them go nuts in off-topic without being banned. LOL

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January 26, 2018, 05:10:10 PM
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Merit can be turn into a purchasable commodity in the future. Instead, a method should be developed that forbids sending messages of less than 75 or more characters for quality. This may be a more convenient solution

One can post essays of 750 words instead of 75 to bypass this. That is not going to ensure any quality.
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January 26, 2018, 05:18:09 PM
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Merit can be turn into a purchasable commodity in the future. Instead, a method should be developed that forbids sending messages of less than 75 or more characters for quality. This may be a more convenient solution
who knows about the future! But, gotta sure that coming days there more accusation will be building up shorty regarding on this topic.



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January 26, 2018, 05:25:22 PM
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I have a long list of reasons why i detest this new system:

1. It DOES NOT IN ANY WAY REDUCE SPAMMING, it only changes the game to hustling, begging and trading the so called shit merit
2. I already foresee these so called merits becoming some high value market commodity...i hear people are already buying and selling the damned thing! Well, I for one do not have a dime to give to anyone in the name of trying to rank up.
3. What happens to true lovers of the community like me who have been ranking up through honest and detailed as well as informative posts all this while? Suddenly that motivation has gone out the window.
4. It has officially killed the ability of anyone to genuinely rank up cos even if one deserves to be 'merited', no one is willing to give them out freely.

In summary, MERIT SUCKS AND THIS DECISION SHOULD BE REVERSED TO PRESERVE THIS COMMUNITY from going into half communism, half capitalism mode.

There!! I just posted a very long non spammy write up but thanks to the new system, it doesn't count for dust!  Sad
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January 26, 2018, 05:27:59 PM
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I came here to see what in the hell was this new merit thing, to find that there is already a +50 pages thread about it Cheesy hilarious...

Why you people care so much about "ranking"? AFAIK it's only useful for scamming noobs. (I'm genuinely asking)

Are you serious or what ? Many airdrops and bounties depends on of your rank profile in this forum, do you know that?
Honestly I'm still a bit confused about that, there were obviously too much scams and a solution had to be found, but honestly this way is really hard for common users, we'll see how this innovation will work.

some noobs just feel they have been scammed, just after 1 week they register and make a lot of new account to be sell
and now with this new system they feel, all of their hardwork are for nothing, spamming on the threads, now its become nothing because their rank were stuck.

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January 26, 2018, 05:28:21 PM
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The quality of post does not depend on the length but on the content.

Wrong. It depends in reality upon subjective sympathy, mainly that of the chosen few with super merit powers. Just like the trust system.
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January 26, 2018, 05:31:02 PM
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Merit can be turn into a purchasable commodity in the future. Instead, a method should be developed that forbids sending messages of less than 75 or more characters for quality. This may be a more convenient solution

No!

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Having a limit of 75 characters in my opinion is not such a good idea because it can be simply abused by anybody that might just type a long phrase with little meaning just to bypass this filter
194 characters.

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That filter can easily be abused.
32 characters.

See what I did here? Cheesy

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January 26, 2018, 05:31:46 PM
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some noobs just feel they have been scammed, just after 1 week they register and make a lot of new account to be sell
and now with this new system they feel, all of their hardwork are for nothing, spamming on the threads, now its become nothing because their rank were stuck.
You're a member and hardly of higher rank than a noob yourself. And chances are high that you will never reach the full member status. Though the going along with the Legendary's opinion of course is in your merit advantage.
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January 26, 2018, 05:34:20 PM
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The quality of post does not depend on the length but on the content.

Wrong. It depends in reality upon subjective sympathy, mainly that of the chosen few with super merit powers. Just like the trust system.

The hell are you saying? It appears you're a butthurt Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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January 26, 2018, 05:35:35 PM
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I have a long list of reasons why i detest this new system:

1. It DOES NOT IN ANY WAY REDUCE SPAMMING, it only changes the game to hustling, begging and trading the so called shit merit
2. I already foresee these so called merits becoming some high value market commodity...i hear people are already buying and selling the damned thing! Well, I for one do not have a dime to give to anyone in the name of trying to rank up.
3. What happens to true lovers of the community like me who have been ranking up through honest and detailed as well as informative posts all this while? Suddenly that motivation has gone out the window.
4. It has officially killed the ability of anyone to genuinely rank up cos even if one deserves to be 'merited', no one is willing to give them out freely.

In summary, MERIT SUCKS AND THIS DECISION SHOULD BE REVERSED TO PRESERVE THIS COMMUNITY from going into half communism, half capitalism mode.

There!! I just posted a very long non spammy write up but thanks to the new system, it doesn't count for dust!  Sad

1) Trading will result in negative trust. Already being given.

2) This merits are finite and eventually become scarce. It will be in hands of more responsible people with time.

3) You should  feel more motivated to gain those merits.

4) I got some and they were for free. I think you can do better.
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January 26, 2018, 05:36:14 PM
Merited by bill gator (1)
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Another request:

Besides the +Merit button, I'd like to see some common, immediate actions like "+1", "+2" and "+5".
Ideally with jQuery so that no other window is opened, or at least a JS alert (like when we click "Watch"),
or a jQuery UI Dialog which could have those 3 buttons, besides "Cancel".

I think this would increase the usage of this feature, as it would be much faster and easier.


Request:

I'd like to see a link to download raw data regarding the latest merit activity.
Basically this https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=merit;stats=recent but as txt, json, csv or similar format including name/id of sender, name/id of receiver and post ID.

When the DT was provided as text some interesting processing was possible.
With merit raw data we could easily write scripts to find suspicious activity, to show it graphically, advanced stats, among other things.

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January 26, 2018, 05:41:31 PM
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Oh sweet Jesus 68 pages in a day wow. I guess I can't trudge through this all lol. So in a nutshell this new merit system is similar to what the Reddit karma is, right? Upvoting comments we really like?
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January 26, 2018, 05:44:54 PM
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According to my mind this is a good idea.But not for me.
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January 26, 2018, 05:45:19 PM
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I have a long list of reasons why i detest this new system:

1. It DOES NOT IN ANY WAY REDUCE SPAMMING, it only changes the game to hustling, begging and trading the so called shit merit
2. I already foresee these so called merits becoming some high value market commodity...i hear people are already buying and selling the damned thing! Well, I for one do not have a dime to give to anyone in the name of trying to rank up.
3. What happens to true lovers of the community like me who have been ranking up through honest and detailed as well as informative posts all this while? Suddenly that motivation has gone out the window.
4. It has officially killed the ability of anyone to genuinely rank up cos even if one deserves to be 'merited', no one is willing to give them out freely.

In summary, MERIT SUCKS AND THIS DECISION SHOULD BE REVERSED TO PRESERVE THIS COMMUNITY from going into half communism, half capitalism mode.

There!! I just posted a very long non spammy write up but thanks to the new system, it doesn't count for dust!  Sad

1) Trading will result in negative trust. Already being given.

2) This merits are finite and eventually become scarce. It will be in hands of more responsible people with time.

3) You should  feel more motivated to gain those merits.

4) I got some and they were for free. I think you can do better.

To resolve this cos I'm not in the mood to defend my comments as I think they make maximum sense to anyone who's been here even a short while. Go to my profile (if you have the time, and see my posts history).

That said, I think you can do better.
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January 26, 2018, 05:46:58 PM
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Oh sweet Jesus 68 pages in a day wow. I guess I can't trudge through this all lol. So in a nutshell this new merit system is similar to what the Reddit karma is, right? Upvoting comments we really like?

Naaa...if it was like Reddit's Karma there would be a lot more happy genuine users of this forum after that announcement was made.
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January 26, 2018, 05:51:22 PM
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Basically I do not give a fuck about merit. It does not affect me in any way. I am registered since 2012 and still full member only. I do not care about user ranks, why should anybody anyway? There are no posting restrictions, so stop complaining.

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January 26, 2018, 05:52:39 PM
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Just like with beggars on the street, I would be willing to give to a beggar that’s creative. I would give this guy $10.



Of course, a creative beggar is providing a service which should be rewarded. However, I'm afraid 10$ would solve only a few micron of that beggar's problem Smiley
So should we open a CREATIVE MERIT BEGGING thread? Wink
That would open the way to a whole new ecology of merit-rewarding games and competitions, even though I am afraid that the true spirit of the reform could get *slightly* twisted in the process...

That’s probably the most positive thing someone has said in this thread yet. It would be interesting to see an off-topic thread devoted to games and competitions that paid in merit. Creative begging could pull beggars from other sections of the forum and let them go nuts in off-topic without being banned. LOL

I'm happy you've appreciated it.
But if this is allegedly "the most positive thing someone has said in this thread yet", why did I not receive any single merit by anyone? I'm afraid that begging will really become a much better way of receiving merits than just doing your good sincere posts. That's because there are so many form of begging - direct ones, indirect ones, implicit ones, suggested ones, and I won't mention butt-licking - hooops... I did it. It's true that this new merit criteria will probably slow down spam, but in the best case scenario it will also push most people who are not legendary yet to conformism and thus to express only opinions which are likely to get rewarded with merit.

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Just like with beggars on the street, I would be willing to give to a beggar that’s creative. I would give this guy $10.



Of course, a creative beggar is providing a service which should be rewarded. However, I'm afraid 10$ would solve only a few micron of that beggar's problem Smiley
So should we open a CREATIVE MERIT BEGGING thread? Wink
That would open the way to a whole new ecology of merit-rewarding games and competitions, even though I am afraid that the true spirit of the reform could get *slightly* twisted in the process...

That’s probably the most positive thing someone has said in this thread yet. It would be interesting to see an off-topic thread devoted to games and competitions that paid in merit. Creative begging could pull beggars from other sections of the forum and let them go nuts in off-topic without being banned. LOL

I'm happy you've appreciated it.
But if this is allegedly "the most positive thing someone has said in this thread yet", why did I not receive any single merit by anyone? I'm afraid that begging will really become a much better way of receiving merits than just doing your good sincere posts. That's because there are so many form of begging - direct ones, indirect ones, implicit ones, suggested ones, and I won't mention butt-licking - hooops... I did it. It's true that this new merit criteria will probably slow down spam, but in the best case scenario it will also push most people who are not legendary yet to conformism and thus to express only opinions which are likely to get rewarded with merit.

Maybe, but there are people that don’t like conformity and will give you merit. I think like minded people will support each other by giving each other merit. That’s the same problem the Reddit karma system has. It doesn’t foster good debates it forms cliques. I’ve seen groups of the same people move into a thread on reddit and crush someone that has a different view from their own. This system may actually curtail spam and abuse or it may force people into little groups that form into larger beasts by increasing the like minded membership in their clique. Only time will tell.

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January 26, 2018, 06:08:27 PM
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We can apply for a "position" as a Merit Source, by gathering 10 posts for evaluation.



What are you trying to say here? That is not a suggestion, my suggestions are at the end of the post.
What you quoted is actually the procedure that needs to be done for someone to try to become a merit source.
You can actually read that in the OP of this thread:



Exactly, bud. I wasn't commenting on your suggestion but on the policy in place, hence the analogy and expressing how much work will be required by mods in maintaining the sM system of things, equating to less time modding rogue agents and more time dedicated to advancing the sM thingy for non-rogue(?) agents [who enjoy corned beef hash].

Apologies for any confusion.

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January 26, 2018, 06:10:35 PM
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Hoвыe пpaвилa к зaчeтy и нoвoмy paнгy зaмeщaют cтapыe пpaвилa или лишь дoпoлняют?

I just gave you 1 sM, bud. Use it to purchase a English primer.  Tongue Tongue Tongue

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