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April 09, 2018, 03:24:19 AM
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All of the members could still rank up they just have to prove that they are worth it,
They just have to prove that they aren't one of those spammer's who are just spamming nonsense in this forum.
And I think if their comment,thread or post is really informative or helpful there would be a forum member that would surely give them a merit.
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April 09, 2018, 04:27:53 AM
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All of the members could still rank up they just have to prove that they are worth it,
They just have to prove that they aren't one of those spammer's who are just spamming nonsense in this forum.
And I think if their comment,thread or post is really informative or helpful there would be a forum member that would surely give them a merit.
Users don't have to prove anything. Just be themselves. Then they will get what they deserved to have.
Don't try to be someone else. If they want to learn, just keep learning; want to help others, just help them. Don't do anything to demonstrate they are constructive users; don't do anything, don't help others because they think that they will get merits from those stuffs.
It is my opinion, so please don't fall into aggressive argument with me.

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April 09, 2018, 06:38:35 AM
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@tuanytcc

I know how to deal with it, but sometimes i searched and i didnt find anything, thats why i asked the question, maybe @TheQuin have another trick how to do it which i dont know.

Just good old simple Google search taking a small sample text enclosed in "" usually finds it pretty quick. That particular one was so obviously a news article with "Is it true" written in front of it.

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April 09, 2018, 06:50:09 AM
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Just good old simple Google search taking a small sample text enclosed in "" usually finds it pretty quick. That particular one was so obviously a news article with "Is it true" written in front of it.

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April 10, 2018, 01:04:56 AM
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In addition to activity, everyone now has a merit score, and you need both a certain activity level and a certain merit score in order to reach higher member ranks. The required scores are:

RankRequired activityRequired merit
Brand new00
Newbie10
Jr Member300
Member6010
Full Member120100
Sr. Member240250
Hero Member480500
LegendaryRandom in the range 775-10301000

You get merit points when someone sends you some for one of your posts. Additionally, when someone sends you merit points, half of those points can be sent by you to other people.

Certain users are designated as "merit sources". They can create new merit out of nothing, up to a limited number per month (which differs per source). I will not be posting a definitive list of merit sources (so that people don't bug them too much), though you'll soon figure out who they are if you pay attention.

There is currently no such thing as a "demerit". I'm hoping that the positive merits alone will be fine. I could add demerits pretty easily later on if necessary, though.

I'm hoping that this system will increase post quality by:
 - Forcing people to post high-quality stuff in order to rank up. If you just post garbage, you will never get even 1 merit point, and you will therefore never be able to put links in your signature, etc.
 - Highlighting good posts with the "Merited by" line.

While we will not be directly moderating this, I encourage people to give merit to posts that are objectively high-quality, not just posts that you agree with.

Do not beg for merit excessively.

Useful infographics

Forum users have helpfully created some infographics to explain the merit system:
paxmao's infographic
ibminer's infographic
8Habits's infographic
JetSet11's infographic
zentdex's infographic
alia_armelle's infographic

If you want to be a merit source:

 1. Be a somewhat established member.
 2. Collect TEN posts written in the last couple of months by other people that have not received nearly enough merit for how good they are, and post quotes for them all in a new Meta thread. The point of this is to demonstrate your ability to give out merit usefully.
 3. We will take a look at your history and maybe make you a source.

I am especially eager to have merit sources in sub-communities such as the local sections.

Trivia:

For current members, your initial merit score is equal to the minimum required to your rank. Of that, a certain amount (less than the usual half) is spendable. The spendable amount was calculated based on your current rank and the number of activity points you earned in the last year. A Legendary member who hasn't posted in the last year would still be Legendary, but would not have any spendable merit.

If someone sends you 1 merit, the 0.5 sMerit is not wasted; it is just not shown until you get another merit point.

There are stats here, and you can find someone's merit summary by clicking the "merit" link on their profile.


Good day sir theymos. In any means I just want to suggest about ranking system in this forum. With this merit system, some or rather most of us can hardly gain some merits not because we dont posts something informational but because no ones care about it, because some here only give merits to their alt accounts or the one they knew or to their friends or some were selling (i guess) or some reciprocate merits to each other. We rarely gain some for some of us who were alone in this forum.

 Yes I am a bounty hunter, Ive made a lot of reports but here's what Ive been thinking all along. My suggestion is to remove the merit system and go back to the old school but this time all the made "posts" of every member of this forum wouldnt be automatically converted into "activity" unless the moderator of that particular topic would agree to convert it into "activity", and for that, every non sense posts, report posts or spams and etc wouldnt become "activity" in someone's account, the only "posts" that will be converted into "activity" are those who were constructive, informative and have sense accordingly to the topic.

By all means I am just suggesting Smiley good day everyone. More power to each and everyone one of us and especially to this forum. God Bless y'all..

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April 10, 2018, 04:45:18 AM
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Boom, just in a blink of an eye, an attempt to get merit turned into a chance to be banned. Plagiarism is bad thing to do even if it just in the internet.

Wonder if he is banned already. By the way, how do you check plagiarism things @TheQuin??

There are a number of ways to find out copied content. There re paid services for this purpose like copyscape and also there are some free ways to check this. You can simply copy 2-3 lines of the post and paste it inn Google to see if it is copied from some website. This will work in most cases as the website which posted it first should appear higher in the search engines. Also, some websites have time of post made listed and you can check using that information.
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April 10, 2018, 04:50:53 AM
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You should use < snip > as I did to save more space for readers and make them feel more comfortable when they watch your thread. Using snip for un-used contents in the threads you quote. I don't see the need to quote the OP after the topic has passed over 200 pages after its launch.  Roll Eyes
Please remember do it next time.
< snip >

I don't think users in the forum should spend their money to buy and use such service you mentioned.
It is something like intentionally efforts to beg for merits by spending money to buy softwares to find out plagiarists, reporting them and waiting for merits.
It's ridiculous to spend all your time in the forum to do this.

Spending your time, your efforts to earn more knowledge is better choice.
There are a number of ways to find out copied content. There re paid services for this purpose like copyscape and also there are some free ways to check this. You can simply copy 2-3 lines of the post and paste it inn Google to see if it is copied from some website. This will work in most cases as the website which posted it first should appear higher in the search engines. Also, some websites have time of post made listed and you can check using that information.

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April 10, 2018, 11:05:39 PM
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Well how much you get depends on the mood of the forum members too. In some forums you can get easier as it is faster to use.
Bitcointalk is a little bit slower forum for use so I don't expect many merit points, but it definitely brings out the quality.
I hope that need for quality will not bring out unnatural quality when someone tries to force the quality when there's none.
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April 10, 2018, 11:28:33 PM
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Bitcointalk is a little bit slower forum for use so I don't expect many merit points
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What is this? To be honest, I do not understand what you wrote. Slower forum. What? And if it is actually slower forum, is this characteristics really correlated with merit circulation? I don't think so, my friend.
Only good users can earn merits, naturally.
Please be good user, then see when merits come.

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April 11, 2018, 01:45:51 AM
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Are the merit sources on vacation?  It seems like there aren't many merits going around these days.  Maybe people are just lazy to give them out or don't really care for the system. 
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April 11, 2018, 04:13:40 AM
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Are the merit sources on vacation?  It seems like there aren't many merits going around these days.  Maybe people are just lazy to give them out or don't really care for the system. 

Could you be a bit more specific in your analysis?  What is your basis and evidence for your assertions?

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April 11, 2018, 06:01:59 AM
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Are the merit sources on vacation?  It seems like there aren't many merits going around these days.  Maybe people are just lazy to give them out or don't really care for the system. 

Could you be a bit more specific in your analysis?  What is your basis and evidence for your assertions?

The analysis of some people like these are :
1. I have good posts/some people in my favorite board have good posts
2. I dont get merit/they dont get merit
3. = Merit sources on vacation or broken system or unfair system
4. Repeat every time

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April 11, 2018, 06:14:23 AM
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Are the merit sources on vacation?  It seems like there aren't many merits going around these days.  Maybe people are just lazy to give them out or don't really care for the system.  

Could you be a bit more specific in your analysis?  What is your basis and evidence for your assertions?

The analysis of some people like these are :
1. I have good posts/some people in my favorite board have good posts
2. I dont get merit/they dont get merit
3. = Merit sources on vacation or broken system or unfair system
4. Repeat every time

Surely Soke deserves merit, right?  

He has nearly 100 1-liner posts, and half of them have come into creation since the merit system was implemented.  

I don't regret giving Soke a merit in an attempt to encourage him, but surely, the encouragement does not seemed to have created substantive or quality posts or even a "go getter" attitude out of him, which could be helpful to anyone who really is interested in attempting to attract the interest of other members to give them a merit... and yeah, we all know that merits can come from anyone, they do not have to come from merit sources...   Maybe Soke will provide some evidence for his assertion?  

On the other hand, probably I would be waiting for a long time before some kind of meaningful and substantively backed perspective actually comes from him?

I might be looking like this if I were to wait?


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April 11, 2018, 06:18:08 AM
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The analysis of some people like these are :
1. I have good posts/some people in my favorite board have good posts
2. I dont get merit/they dont get merit
3. = Merit sources on vacation or broken system or unfair system
4. Repeat every time


Simple inference for those cases, they are merit beggars.
I don't deny the fact that they tried composing as good threads as possible (I don't want to fall into discussion on whether their threads are really good ones or not; but most cases, their threas fall further behind good threads).
After publishing each 'good' thread, they watch it again and again, every hours, every day to see whether the thread received merits or not. The approach makes them tired (and me too, if I do it), then they jumped directly to Meta board and started complaining, moaning, crying about merit system, merit sources, drawbacks of the system

Just for fun, and hope that my thread won't make readers feel annoying.
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April 11, 2018, 06:45:57 AM
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Surely Soke deserves merit, right?  

He has nearly 100 1-liner posts, and half of them have come into creation since the merit system was implemented.  

I don't regret giving Soke a merit in an attempt to encourage him, but surely, the encouragement does not seemed to have created substantive or quality posts or even a "go getter" attitude out of him, which could be helpful to anyone who really is interested in attempting to attract the interest of other members to give them a merit... and yeah, we all know that merits can come from anyone, they do not have to come from merit sources...   Maybe Soke will provide some evidence for his assertion?  

On the other hand, probably I would be waiting for a long time before some kind of meaningful and substantively backed perspective actually comes from him?

I might be looking like this if I were to wait?



I get what you said. Sometimes our action doesnt meet to the purpose, like your encouragement to this man to be better in the future, but that is life, no?, lets hope he realizes it sooner.

No man, if we want to be detailed, even your skull will be gone if you are waiting people like this to give some evidence for his assertion.
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April 11, 2018, 07:06:44 AM
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I think merit should be removed, and default red trusting restored to people like Lauda, ATH, ThePharmacist etc.

There are countless posts made everywhere, especially topics tens of pages long, that are good quality and are not merited. The system of meriting every good quality post is an impossible one.

Rather, once a shitposter is identified, they can have their account permanently flagged as was the case before. I found the former system to be much more effective. Putting EVERYTHING the way it was before will just generally be better for everyone, and still discourage shitposting due to the "one time red flag" nature of things.
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April 11, 2018, 08:18:09 AM
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There are countless posts made everywhere, especially topics tens of pages long, that are good quality and are not merited. The system of meriting every good quality post is an impossible one.
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Please give me links to amazing ten-paged threads. I am curious to check them.
In addition, longer threads don't means they have higher quality than shorter threads.
It doesn't make sense.

Merit system will be here, never gone.
God luck with your dream.

 
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April 11, 2018, 08:40:26 AM
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I think merit should be removed, and default red trusting restored to people like Lauda, ATH, ThePharmacist etc.

There are countless posts made everywhere, especially topics tens of pages long, that are good quality and are not merited. The system of meriting every good quality post is an impossible one.

Rather, once a shitposter is identified, they can have their account permanently flagged as was the case before. I found the former system to be much more effective. Putting EVERYTHING the way it was before will just generally be better for everyone, and still discourage shitposting due to the "one time red flag" nature of things.

ThePharmacist already said that he will review his negative trust based on "shitposter" tag, even theymos stated that giving negative trust based on other's low capabilities on talking english is kinda wrong and you want to against the flow now? If the system is back to the past system, then it would be hard to tag the shitposter because of theymos' statement, but with merit, shitposter can not rank up and they tend to cheat the merit system thus if they are identified cheating, they will be tagged. In my opinion this system is better in discouraging shitposting.
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April 11, 2018, 10:30:06 AM
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I think merit should be removed, and default red trusting restored to people like Lauda, ATH, ThePharmacist etc.

There are countless posts made everywhere, especially topics tens of pages long, that are good quality and are not merited. The system of meriting every good quality post is an impossible one.

Rather, once a shitposter is identified, they can have their account permanently flagged as was the case before. I found the former system to be much more effective. Putting EVERYTHING the way it was before will just generally be better for everyone, and still discourage shitposting due to the "one time red flag" nature of things.

ThePharmacist already said that he will review his negative trust based on "shitposter" tag, even theymos stated that giving negative trust based on other's low capabilities on talking english is kinda wrong and you want to against the flow now? If the system is back to the past system, then it would be hard to tag the shitposter because of theymos' statement, but with merit, shitposter can not rank up and they tend to cheat the merit system thus if they are identified cheating, they will be tagged. In my opinion this system is better in discouraging shitposting.

You see, with the old system a lot of the Hero/Legendary accounts now that are bought/sold and are owned by teams of shitposters in sweatshops will never be flagged. The old system flagged them. It's discouraging for a lot of people to put in the effort when you can see a lot of low quality high rank accounts that are obviously bought/sold that never would have gained the free grandfathered merit naturally. If ranking up is going to be this difficult, then let's make it so for everyone.
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April 11, 2018, 11:11:18 AM
Last edit: April 11, 2018, 12:46:21 PM by ogoowinner
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I think merit should be removed, and default red trusting restored to people like Lauda, ATH, ThePharmacist etc.

There are countless posts made everywhere, especially topics tens of pages long, that are good quality and are not merited. The system of meriting every good quality post is an impossible one.

Rather, once a shitposter is identified, they can have their account permanently flagged as was the case before. I found the former system to be much more effective. Putting EVERYTHING the way it was before will just generally be better for everyone, and still discourage shitposting due to the "one time red flag" nature of things.

ThePharmacist already said that he will review his negative trust based on "shitposter" tag, even theymos stated that giving negative trust based on other's low capabilities on talking english is kinda wrong and you want to against the flow now? If the system is back to the past system, then it would be hard to tag the shitposter because of theymos' statement, but with merit, shitposter can not rank up and they tend to cheat the merit system thus if they are identified cheating, they will be tagged. In my opinion this system is better in discouraging shitposting.

You see, with the old system a lot of the Hero/Legendary accounts now that are bought/sold and are owned by teams of shitposters in sweatshops will never be flagged. The old system flagged them. It's discouraging for a lot of people to put in the effort when you can see a lot of low quality high rank accounts that are obviously bought/sold that never would have gained the free grandfathered merit naturally. If ranking up is going to be this difficult, then let's make it so for everyone.

Sometimes, some new rules are made to favour some people. I prefer the old system though it has its own flaws. We all know early birds are the luckiest in everything. The newbies and those working their way up have to be more strict. What if this merits are given to people who don't merit it?
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