Official Thread: AMT

[FrictionlessCoin]

Can someone ping Bitmine.ch and Technobit for detailed contact information about AMT.  They signed contracts with these manufacturers,  I think they have full details to assist on legal matters.

reading through bitmine's thread it sounds as if they are being as silent as AMT

You can say the same thing about HashFast.

and....

ButterflyLabs.

I'm surprised that ButterflyLabs tried a second time to create a new product.  Did they not learn anything from the first time?

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[Stan-O]

Antminer S1 ordered from Bitmaintech on Monday.  Its is currently on the UPS truck, on its way to me.  UPS guy is taking his sweet time with it.

From China to California, in the span of a week.  how hard is it?  easy if you actually have a working product........

[FrictionlessCoin]

Antminer S1 ordered from Bitmaintech on Monday.  Its is currently on the UPS truck, on its way to me.  UPS guy is taking his sweet time with it.

From China to California, in the span of a week.  how hard is it?  easy if you actually have a working product........

Damn hard if this is the first time you've done this.

Still damn hard even if it is the 2nd time you've done this (ask ButterflyLabs).

I really don't know why these miner manufacturers even bother to get into the business.

[MrTeal]

Antminer S1 ordered from Bitmaintech on Monday.  Its is currently on the UPS truck, on its way to me.  UPS guy is taking his sweet time with it.

From China to California, in the span of a week.  how hard is it?  easy if you actually have a working product........

Damn hard if this is the first time you've done this.

Still damn hard even if it is the *4th time you've done this (ask ButterflyLabs).

I really don't know why these miner manufacturers even bother to get into the business.

FTFY

[FrictionlessCoin]

Okay... got an email response from AMT"

The miners are being tested over the last week as there was some slight technical issue with the firmware.
 As you know our chip supplier delayed the chips delivery and we ran few week behind schedule but we are catching up now.
 Little more patience and your miner will be with you.

Well, plausible.  

But doesn't matter,  I am requesting a full refund.  

Let us see if they will accomodate my request today.  Otherwise,  going to have the legal system do the work for me.

[clenell]

Josh and Alyson said they issued me a refund back on the 4th. As usual this has turned out to be another AMT lie. It does not take 10 days to get from PA to NC. If you folks still believe in AMT you are assholes and deserve everything you have coming to you. I wish I never heard of AMT. Everything that comes out of their mouths is a lie - its crazy.

So you are telling us that we are assholes because we bought from AMT?

That we deserve to be punished for doing so?

If you are to vent your anger,  do it against AMT and not the poor customers here.

Why don't you vent some anger towards AMT? Oh wait, you are too busy trying to reassure some poor sap here about AMT delivering so you can unload your pre-orders and get out while you still can.

I think the responsible thing to do at this point is:

1> Wait until you receive your miner THEN sell it
2> Take legal action

But I don't expect you to heed my advice. You obviously have no issue with unloading your "miners" to some unsuspecting fool.  These same miners that no one can prove actually exist yet.

Guess I can't blame you for trying to sell them before you have them in hand, as they lose value every passing day now.

You folks have your priorities all wrong.  The highest priority it to get as much BTC that we can get for our investment.  

Trying to prove that you are right,  or that AMT is incompetent or a scam does not improve anyone's probability of success.

The only options we have left are (with probabilities of success) and (upside).

(1) Ask and demand a refund (35%) (0%).
(2) Sell your miner pre-order to someone else (70%) (-5%).
(3) Wait till you get your miner and sell it (30%) (10%).
(4) Go to small claims court to extract a refund (80%) (-5%).
(5) Wait for the miner and hope to mine enough BTC to ROI (15%) (-30%)

wasting time criticizing AMT... smearing AMT...  comparing AMT with other better option.  (0% probability of success) (0% upside).

That's why I think folks like sirminesalot, clenell, losia are all a bunch of losers because they don't take actions that lead to profit,  just a lot of hot air.

let's just say you aren't doing any better than myself so why don't you shut your mouth.

Josh with AMT emailed me again today and said that my check is in the mail... here we go again.

[FrictionlessCoin]

Antminer S1 ordered from Bitmaintech on Monday.  Its is currently on the UPS truck, on its way to me.  UPS guy is taking his sweet time with it.

From China to California, in the span of a week.  how hard is it?  easy if you actually have a working product........

Damn hard if this is the first time you've done this.

Still damn hard even if it is the *4th time you've done this (ask ButterflyLabs).

I really don't know why these miner manufacturers even bother to get into the business.

FTFY

Fourth?    You mean they had 4 different product lines and all of them delayed?

[FrictionlessCoin]

let's just say you aren't doing any better than myself so why don't you shut your mouth.

Josh with AMT emailed me again today and said that my check is in the mail... here we go again.

Well, maybe it is in the mail!

I'm doing better than you,  I've unloaded 1/2 of my AMT investment.  

Now I'm asking for the remaining check to be in the mail.  

Hopefully, I get my check before you do!  ;-)

BTW... I had to go through this once with Cointerra.  They hesitated a bit, but eventually delivered without issue.  Yes,  check in the mail.   Let's see if AMT is on the up-and-up here. 

[sirminesalot]

let's just say you aren't doing any better than myself so why don't you shut your mouth.

Josh with AMT emailed me again today and said that my check is in the mail... here we go again.

Well, maybe it is in the mail!

I'm doing better than you,  I've unloaded 1/2 of my AMT investment.  

Now I'm asking for the remaining check to be in the mail.  

Hopefully, I get my check before you do!  ;-)

BTW... I had to go through this once with Cointerra.  They hesitated a bit, but eventually delivered without issue.  Yes,  check in the mail.   Let's see if AMT is on the up-and-up here. 

Either way they are obligated to issue refunds. This 'dig up another buyer, than have AMT facilitate the transfer of the order" is complete bullshit.

After this mess, it should only take 1 email to AMT stating "I want a refund" and they must comply. Otherwise, time to sick a lawyer on them.

I'm not here to "root for AMT". If they fail and fuck all of the investors over : it won't be due to my comments, or anyone elses' in this thread.

[FrictionlessCoin]

let's just say you aren't doing any better than myself so why don't you shut your mouth.

Josh with AMT emailed me again today and said that my check is in the mail... here we go again.

Well, maybe it is in the mail!

I'm doing better than you,  I've unloaded 1/2 of my AMT investment.  

Now I'm asking for the remaining check to be in the mail.  

Hopefully, I get my check before you do!  ;-)

BTW... I had to go through this once with Cointerra.  They hesitated a bit, but eventually delivered without issue.  Yes,  check in the mail.   Let's see if AMT is on the up-and-up here.  

Either way they are obligated to issue refunds. This 'dig up another buyer, than have AMT facilitate the transfer of the order" is complete bullshit.

After this mess, it should only take 1 email to AMT stating "I want a refund" and they must comply. Otherwise, time to sick a lawyer on them.

I'm not here to "root for AMT". If they fail and fuck all of the investors over : it won't be due to my comments, or anyone elses' in this thread.

Why are you on this thread?  I don't see your name in the AMT orders list?

Are you just here to mock at the misery of others?

[sabre]

Hello, can someone direct me to the page that has the supposed shipping dates from AMT that was on this thread that came from AMT_Miners? It stated that they has "already" shipped a weeks worth of orders and had order numbers with shipment dates for the future (which was not honored either). I had read it some time ago but cant find the post now. If someone can just reply with the page number that would be great.

I have a number of orders with AMT and they have also not replied to my VM or emails even though I was very polite in my VM and emails to them. So I have engaged my legal council to get a legal response from them. I have all my information but just cant find the page number that had the above mentioned post to provide to my attorney.

Thanks in Advance.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=463922.0

Hello, thank you for the quick response. However, I am looking for the original post from their login AMT_Miners so that we can cleanly state that they themselves are saying that they have been shipping. I believe it was somewhere on this thread...

Thanks again in Advance.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=304605.1840


if you click on their name then see latest posts you can see all the lies they have told everyone

Thank you for the reply and the tip to click their name for their history.

[clenell]

let's just say you aren't doing any better than myself so why don't you shut your mouth.

Josh with AMT emailed me again today and said that my check is in the mail... here we go again.

Well, maybe it is in the mail!

I'm doing better than you,  I've unloaded 1/2 of my AMT investment.  

Now I'm asking for the remaining check to be in the mail.  

Hopefully, I get my check before you do!  ;-)

BTW... I had to go through this once with Cointerra.  They hesitated a bit, but eventually delivered without issue.  Yes,  check in the mail.   Let's see if AMT is on the up-and-up here. 

you mean you fucked somebody else? congrats on douche bag of the day award.

[loshia]

Okay... got an email response from AMT"

The miners are being tested over the last week as there was some slight technical issue with the firmware.
 As you know our chip supplier delayed the chips delivery and we ran few week behind schedule but we are catching up now.
 Little more patience and your miner will be with you.

Well, plausible.  

But doesn't matter,  I am requesting a full refund.  

Let us see if they will accomodate my request today.  Otherwise,  going to have the legal system do the work for me.

That is the way to go for all of you

[captin crunch]

Can someone ping Bitmine.ch and Technobit for detailed contact information about AMT.  They signed contracts with these manufacturers,  I think they have full details to assist on legal matters.

reading through bitmine's thread it sounds as if they are being as silent as AMT

You can say the same thing about HashFast.

and....

ButterflyLabs.

I'm surprised that ButterflyLabs tried a second time to create a new product.  Did they not learn anything from the first time?

I also am surprised anyone gave them more money with their track record

[sirminesalot]

let's just say you aren't doing any better than myself so why don't you shut your mouth.

Josh with AMT emailed me again today and said that my check is in the mail... here we go again.

Well, maybe it is in the mail!

I'm doing better than you,  I've unloaded 1/2 of my AMT investment.  

Now I'm asking for the remaining check to be in the mail.  

Hopefully, I get my check before you do!  ;-)

BTW... I had to go through this once with Cointerra.  They hesitated a bit, but eventually delivered without issue.  Yes,  check in the mail.   Let's see if AMT is on the up-and-up here.  

Either way they are obligated to issue refunds. This 'dig up another buyer, than have AMT facilitate the transfer of the order" is complete bullshit.

After this mess, it should only take 1 email to AMT stating "I want a refund" and they must comply. Otherwise, time to sick a lawyer on them.

I'm not here to "root for AMT". If they fail and fuck all of the investors over : it won't be due to my comments, or anyone elses' in this thread.

Why are you on this thread?  I don't see your name in the AMT orders list?

Are you just here to mock at the misery of others?

I am not mocking anyone, but I can understand you're embarrassed for dishing out over $12,000 to a company like AMT.

We don't want others to go through this same shit. You can agree with that, can't you?

[MrTeal]

Antminer S1 ordered from Bitmaintech on Monday.  Its is currently on the UPS truck, on its way to me.  UPS guy is taking his sweet time with it.

From China to California, in the span of a week.  how hard is it?  easy if you actually have a working product........

Damn hard if this is the first time you've done this.

Still damn hard even if it is the *4th time you've done this (ask ButterflyLabs).

I really don't know why these miner manufacturers even bother to get into the business.

FTFY

Fourth?    You mean they had 4 different product lines and all of them delayed?

The original FPGA Singles - Specced at 1GH/s, 20W, offered for presale late 2011 with shipping in 4-6 weeks. Started shipping early March 2012, 80W for 850MH/s
Original FPGA Rigs - Significantly delayed, unable to manufacture them, split them into two MiniRigs. Met the power spec though
65nm SC line - No explanation needed
28nm Monarchs - Claim to be hitting power specs, currently 3 months late with another month before new silicon arrives.

[athgaurd]

Time to wake up and smell the bullshit. AMT brought this upon themselves, and now you just want everyone to 'be nice'. Not going to happen.

There is still a small, but fast-closing window, for AMT to start acting like a respectable business and tell us the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but and then to work with us to find a solution of some kind.  

If there is any saving AMT, they need to tell us everything, right now.  I don't care what the truth is, I just want to know and I want them to stop lying, stop hiding.  Tell us that they really are a bunch of b-school dropouts who thought that starting a bitcoin mining machine manufacturer would be just as easy as creating a web site, and now they really are sorry that they realize their mistake; tell us that they are sorry about lying about having already shipped, when in fact not a single unit has been built and shipped by AMT; tell us that they were horribly wrong and now are in way over their heads; apologize for being defensive and non-responsive, and mean it; tell us customers, who have essentially funded their company, exactly what the product designs exist, what testing results are, what problems need to be overcome; and with us customers, develop a realistic plan to delivery something soon, OR  give up, sell off assets, and refund on a pro rata basis as much as possible but in any case involve us in the decision since its our money they wasted.

I am not saying all that is true, only that the real truth can't be much worse than that.  While not everyone might be so generous, I am willing to be "nice" if I know that AMT is working with us and being upfront, giving us everything now that it is clear they cannot delivery as promised.

The more I hear nothing from AMT, the more I am convinced that documents are being shredded and assets hidden while we wait and that makes me want to act quickly.  And to AMT: you know my name, go ahead and google me.  Ask yourself if you really want someone with my resources chasing you to the ends of the earth.  If AMT doesn't speak up soon, I won't care about my investment (doubled as I tried to help AMT out) I will be a lot more interested in seeing someone go to jail.  

Your decision Josh or whomever you are.  Please make the right decision.

I've already got the ball rolling on this. The only times I have received responses is by threats of legal action, once I acknowledge their bank knows them, they were happy and excited that someone was willing to vouch for them, however they were upset I was playing detective and calling the neighboring businesses. I will not vouch for them until I have my working miner in hand that was promised to me over a month ago. If I don't get my money/miner will I be upset? sure. Will it kill me? no. But AMT wants to scam me, I will do everything in my legal capacity to make sure someone pays for trying to screw me over and I don't care if I have to shell out more money to make that happen.

[FrictionlessCoin]

I am not mocking anyone, but I can understand you're embarrassed for dishing out over $12,000 to a company like AMT.

We don't want others to go through this same shit. You can agree with that, can't you?

You don't have any skin in the game here.  I suggest you leave the thread.

You also have no evidence that AMT is running a scam.  They could be just plain incompetent.

If I were AMT,  I would take you to court.

[plp]

I am calling there bank (TD BANK ) and reporting fraud.  Considered WIRE FRAUD !

Highly doubt any one is going to get any refund what so ever

I cant give out to many details onto why I am doing this ...I am 100% sure there fucking Us with a sandpaper anal plug  

i am also going to contact my bank where I wired the funds to report this aswell .


START LEGAL ACTION ASAP !  OR ANY ACTION !  

[FrictionlessCoin]

Ok... making progress with a refund from AMT.

Now they are claiming that I should be paid in the amount of BTC I used in the original purchase.

Not going to happen.  I will be taking USD or the BTC equivalent.

Wish me luck about receiving a refund!