Official Thread: AMT

[Syke]

We will all be horrified when we find out that the new Bitmain uses the Innosilicion A1 chip!

Nah, they have their own chip.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=515448.0

1 TH/s @ 1000 watts, shipping Apr 1st, for $3900.

[FrictionlessCoin]

We will all be horrified when we find out that the new Bitmain uses the Innosilicion A1 chip!

Nah, they have their own chip.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=515448.0

1 TH/s @ 1000 watts, shipping Apr 1st, for $3900.

Looks like the same thing but more of them packed into a single box.

[FrictionlessCoin]

Josh and Alyson said they issued me a refund back on the 4th. As usual this has turned out to be another AMT lie. It does not take 10 days to get from PA to NC. If you folks still believe in AMT you are assholes and deserve everything you have coming to you. I wish I never heard of AMT. Everything that comes out of their mouths is a lie - its crazy.

So you are telling us that we are assholes because we bought from AMT?

That we deserve to be punished for doing so?

If you are to vent your anger,  do it against AMT and not the poor customers here.

[rik_khaos]

We will all be horrified when we find out that the new Bitmain uses the Innosilicion A1 chip!

Nah, they have their own chip.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=515448.0

1 TH/s @ 1000 watts, shipping Apr 1st, for $3900.

See now why can't everyone just announce two weeks out?

I would have loved to get in on this and then picked up a couple S1s and a PSU

[rik_khaos]

Josh and Alyson said they issued me a refund back on the 4th. As usual this has turned out to be another AMT lie. It does not take 10 days to get from PA to NC. If you folks still believe in AMT you are assholes and deserve everything you have coming to you. I wish I never heard of AMT. Everything that comes out of their mouths is a lie - its crazy.

So you are telling us that we are assholes because we bought from AMT?

That we deserve to be punished for doing so?

If you are to vent your anger,  do it against AMT and not the poor customers here.

He's just a bit butt hurt and can't take it as his own mistake. Hell if this doesn't turn out at least I can say it is my fault for not doing my due diligence.

He's just another one of the "assholes" who bought from AMT.

And if they issued a refund as of the 4th (and that is a big if) check wouldn't have gone in the mail until at least the 5th. Then you're looking about 7-10 BUSINESS DAYS. so forget any saturdays and sundays.
This comes from a guy who has to issue refunds by check as part of his job (me by the way). And that is from a very large retailer who has their act together(ish) if you ignore the giant credit card theft my company just went through. 

These guys are amateurs obviously they could have started processing it that day and not got the check in the mail for a few days.

Now I'm not saying this is the case before you start crying any more. I'm just saying it a possibility. But I would say you're likely fucked with their track record.

[FrictionlessCoin]

We will all be horrified when we find out that the new Bitmain uses the Innosilicion A1 chip!

Nah, they have their own chip.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=515448.0

1 TH/s @ 1000 watts, shipping Apr 1st, for $3900.

See now why can't everyone just announce two weeks out?

I would have loved to get in on this and then picked up a couple S1s and a PSU

AMT should have kept it simple,  don't reinvent it.

They can save face by using AMT rev 3.0 boards and shipping those to customers.

They can beg Bitmine to ship their complete units directlry to AMT customers.

Alternatively, they can strike a deal with Technobit to ship their boards.

BTW... anyone know if BFL has shipped?

[clenell]

Josh and Alyson said they issued me a refund back on the 4th. As usual this has turned out to be another AMT lie. It does not take 10 days to get from PA to NC. If you folks still believe in AMT you are assholes and deserve everything you have coming to you. I wish I never heard of AMT. Everything that comes out of their mouths is a lie - its crazy.

So you are telling us that we are assholes because we bought from AMT?

That we deserve to be punished for doing so?

If you are to vent your anger,  do it against AMT and not the poor customers here.

are you fucking retarded or illiterate? did you fail reading comprehension? read what i posted again. If you still don't get it you need to go back to high school english.

[clenell]

Josh and Alyson said they issued me a refund back on the 4th. As usual this has turned out to be another AMT lie. It does not take 10 days to get from PA to NC. If you folks still believe in AMT you are assholes and deserve everything you have coming to you. I wish I never heard of AMT. Everything that comes out of their mouths is a lie - its crazy.

So you are telling us that we are assholes because we bought from AMT?

That we deserve to be punished for doing so?

If you are to vent your anger,  do it against AMT and not the poor customers here.

He's just a bit butt hurt and can't take it as his own mistake. Hell if this doesn't turn out at least I can say it is my fault for not doing my due diligence.

He's just another one of the "assholes" who bought from AMT.

And if they issued a refund as of the 4th (and that is a big if) check wouldn't have gone in the mail until at least the 5th. Then you're looking about 7-10 BUSINESS DAYS. so forget any saturdays and sundays.
This comes from a guy who has to issue refunds by check as part of his job (me by the way). And that is from a very large retailer who has their act together(ish) if you ignore the giant credit card theft my company just went through. 

These guys are amateurs obviously they could have started processing it that day and not got the check in the mail for a few days.

Now I'm not saying this is the case before you start crying any more. I'm just saying it a possibility. But I would say you're likely fucked with their track record.

and you... my mistake? eat a bowl of dicks.

[sirminesalot]

Josh and Alyson said they issued me a refund back on the 4th. As usual this has turned out to be another AMT lie. It does not take 10 days to get from PA to NC. If you folks still believe in AMT you are assholes and deserve everything you have coming to you. I wish I never heard of AMT. Everything that comes out of their mouths is a lie - its crazy.

So you are telling us that we are assholes because we bought from AMT?

That we deserve to be punished for doing so?

If you are to vent your anger,  do it against AMT and not the poor customers here.

Why don't you vent some anger towards AMT? Oh wait, you are too busy trying to reassure some poor sap here about AMT delivering so you can unload your pre-orders and get out while you still can.

I think the responsible thing to do at this point is:

1> Wait until you receive your miner THEN sell it
2> Take legal action

But I don't expect you to heed my advice. You obviously have no issue with unloading your "miners" to some unsuspecting fool.  These same miners that no one can prove actually exist yet.

Guess I can't blame you for trying to sell them before you have them in hand, as they lose value every passing day now.

[FrictionlessCoin]

Josh and Alyson said they issued me a refund back on the 4th. As usual this has turned out to be another AMT lie. It does not take 10 days to get from PA to NC. If you folks still believe in AMT you are assholes and deserve everything you have coming to you. I wish I never heard of AMT. Everything that comes out of their mouths is a lie - its crazy.

So you are telling us that we are assholes because we bought from AMT?

That we deserve to be punished for doing so?

If you are to vent your anger,  do it against AMT and not the poor customers here.

Why don't you vent some anger towards AMT? Oh wait, you are too busy trying to reassure some poor sap here about AMT delivering so you can unload your pre-orders and get out while you still can.

I think the responsible thing to do at this point is:

1> Wait until you receive your miner THEN sell it
2> Take legal action

But I don't expect you to heed my advice. You obviously have no issue with unloading your "miners" to some unsuspecting fool.  These same miners that no one can prove actually exist yet.

Guess I can't blame you for trying to sell them before you have them in hand, as they lose value every passing day now.

You folks have your priorities all wrong.  The highest priority it to get as much BTC that we can get for our investment.   

Trying to prove that you are right,  or that AMT is incompetent or a scam does not improve anyone's probability of success.

The only options we have left are (with probabilities of success) and (upside).

(1) Ask and demand a refund (35%) (0%).
(2) Sell your miner pre-order to someone else (70%) (-5%).
(3) Wait till you get your miner and sell it (30%) (10%).
(4) Go to small claims court to extract a refund (80%) (-5%).
(5) Wait for the miner and hope to mine enough BTC to ROI (15%) (-30%)

wasting time criticizing AMT... smearing AMT...  comparing AMT with other better option.  (0% probability of success) (0% upside).

That's why I think folks like sirminesalot, clenell, losia are all a bunch of losers because they don't take actions that lead to profit,  just a lot of hot air.

[sirminesalot]

Josh and Alyson said they issued me a refund back on the 4th. As usual this has turned out to be another AMT lie. It does not take 10 days to get from PA to NC. If you folks still believe in AMT you are assholes and deserve everything you have coming to you. I wish I never heard of AMT. Everything that comes out of their mouths is a lie - its crazy.

So you are telling us that we are assholes because we bought from AMT?

That we deserve to be punished for doing so?

If you are to vent your anger,  do it against AMT and not the poor customers here.

Why don't you vent some anger towards AMT? Oh wait, you are too busy trying to reassure some poor sap here about AMT delivering so you can unload your pre-orders and get out while you still can.

I think the responsible thing to do at this point is:

1> Wait until you receive your miner THEN sell it
2> Take legal action

But I don't expect you to heed my advice. You obviously have no issue with unloading your "miners" to some unsuspecting fool.  These same miners that no one can prove actually exist yet.

Guess I can't blame you for trying to sell them before you have them in hand, as they lose value every passing day now.

You folks have your priorities all wrong.  The highest priority it to get as much BTC that we can get for our investment.  

Trying to prove that you are right,  or that AMT is incompetent or a scam does not improve anyone's probability of success.

The only options we have left are (with probabilities of success) and (upside).

(1) Ask and demand a refund (35%) (0%).
(2) Sell your miner pre-order to someone else (70%) (-5%).
(3) Wait till you get your miner and sell it (30%) (10%).
(4) Go to small claims court to extract a refund (80%) (-5%).
(5) Wait for the miner and hope to mine enough BTC to ROI (15%) (-30%)

wasting time criticizing AMT... smearing AMT...  comparing AMT with other better option.  (0% probability of success) (0% upside).

That's why I think folks like sirminesalot, clenell, losia are all a bunch of losers because they don't take actions that lead to profit,  just a lot of hot air.

People here are just calling it how it is, maybe you should do the same.

What are the percentages when AMT doesn't deliver? You act like filing a lawsuit guarantees you'll get your money back.

Time to wake up and smell the bullshit. AMT brought this upon themselves, and now you just want everyone to 'be nice'. Not going to happen.

[athgaurd]

Josh and Alyson said they issued me a refund back on the 4th. As usual this has turned out to be another AMT lie. It does not take 10 days to get from PA to NC. If you folks still believe in AMT you are assholes and deserve everything you have coming to you. I wish I never heard of AMT. Everything that comes out of their mouths is a lie - its crazy.

So you are telling us that we are assholes because we bought from AMT?

That we deserve to be punished for doing so?

If you are to vent your anger,  do it against AMT and not the poor customers here.

Why don't you vent some anger towards AMT? Oh wait, you are too busy trying to reassure some poor sap here about AMT delivering so you can unload your pre-orders and get out while you still can.

I think the responsible thing to do at this point is:

1> Wait until you receive your miner THEN sell it
2> Take legal action

But I don't expect you to heed my advice. You obviously have no issue with unloading your "miners" to some unsuspecting fool.  These same miners that no one can prove actually exist yet.

Guess I can't blame you for trying to sell them before you have them in hand, as they lose value every passing day now.

You folks have your priorities all wrong.  The highest priority it to get as much BTC that we can get for our investment.   

Trying to prove that you are right,  or that AMT is incompetent or a scam does not improve anyone's probability of success.

The only options we have left are (with probabilities of success) and (upside).

(1) Ask and demand a refund (35%) (0%).
(2) Sell your miner pre-order to someone else (70%) (-5%).
(3) Wait till you get your miner and sell it (30%) (10%).
(4) Go to small claims court to extract a refund (80%) (-5%).
(5) Wait for the miner and hope to mine enough BTC to ROI (15%) (-30%)

wasting time criticizing AMT... smearing AMT...  comparing AMT with other better option.  (0% probability of success) (0% upside).

That's why I think folks like sirminesalot, clenell, losia are all a bunch of losers because they don't take actions that lead to profit,  just a lot of hot air.

I am working on getting some info from some local attorneys and I'll keep everyone updated. AMT is too busy to talk or to send miners then they are too busy for mine or anyone elses business.

[Phinnaeus Gage]

Folks... I am tired of tracking AMT deliveries.

Will sell my miner (Order #961) for just 8 BTC.  

PM me.  8 * 620 USD/BTC = $4960.  In short I am taking a $1,000 loss here.

PM me if you are interested.

Dam dude...
That was a golden chance for AMT to sell first coincraft chips in their famous history
I wish you luck with your sale...

Well,  this is the cheapest AMT 1.2 THs miner out there... you can't even order this from the manufacturer.

Anyone interested... pm me....

(Order #961) for just 8 BTC.  

PM me.  8 * 620 USD/BTC = $4960.  In short I am taking a $1,000 loss here.

This includes the original $160 expedited shipment costs.

Hard to feel sorry for you the way you've carried on and mistreated anyone with a different opinion from yours.

YOU DO NOT HAVE THE PRODUCT IN YOUR HANDS. Who in their right mind is going to pay you 8 BTC for the CHANCE that AMT fulfills the order? There are many cheaper options out there at this point, and delivering.

Ask AMT for a straight up refund. This "resell to other buyers, middleman" bullshit isn't even legal. They HAVE to honor a refund at this point. At the very least shouldn't you get the $160 EXPEDITED shipping back? They are LATE!

Begin legal proceedings.

Remember, they are an American company, located near Philadelphia: City of Brotherly Love.

[Phinnaeus Gage]

Folks... I am tired of tracking AMT deliveries.

Will sell my miner (Order #961) for just 8 BTC.  

PM me.  8 * 620 USD/BTC = $4960.  In short I am taking a $1,000 loss here.

PM me if you are interested.

Dam dude...
That was a golden chance for AMT to sell first coincraft chips in their famous history
I wish you luck with your sale...

Well,  this is the cheapest AMT 1.2 THs miner out there... you can't even order this from the manufacturer.

Anyone interested... pm me....

(Order #961) for just 8 BTC.  

PM me.  8 * 620 USD/BTC = $4960.  In short I am taking a $1,000 loss here.

This includes the original $160 expedited shipment costs.

Hard to feel sorry for you the way you've carried on and mistreated anyone with a different opinion from yours.

YOU DO NOT HAVE THE PRODUCT IN YOUR HANDS. Who in their right mind is going to pay you 8 BTC for the CHANCE that AMT fulfills the order? There are many cheaper options out there at this point, and delivering.

Ask AMT for a straight up refund. This "resell to other buyers, middleman" bullshit isn't even legal. They HAVE to honor a refund at this point. At the very least shouldn't you get the $160 EXPEDITED shipping back? They are LATE!

Begin legal proceedings.

What are you doing in this thread?  Have you bought from AMT?  Are you seeking a refund?  

I am filing on small claims court on Monday if I don't receive a refund.

What are you doing? 

The same fucking thing I'm doing--protecting our concern. That concern being Bitcoin, a cryptocurrency. If these were miners that mined a virtual currency, his and my ass wouldn't even have registered on this forum.

[Phinnaeus Gage]

Josh and Alyson said they issued me a refund back on the 4th. As usual this has turned out to be another AMT lie. It does not take 10 days to get from PA to NC. If you folks still believe in AMT you are assholes and deserve everything you have coming to you. I wish I never heard of AMT. Everything that comes out of their mouths is a lie - its crazy.

So you are telling us that we are assholes because we bought from AMT?

That we deserve to be punished for doing so?

If you are to vent your anger,  do it against AMT and not the poor customers here.

He's just a bit butt hurt and can't take it as his own mistake. Hell if this doesn't turn out at least I can say it is my fault for not doing my due diligence.

He's just another one of the "assholes" who bought from AMT.

And if they issued a refund as of the 4th (and that is a big if) check wouldn't have gone in the mail until at least the 5th. Then you're looking about 7-10 BUSINESS DAYS. so forget any saturdays and sundays.
This comes from a guy who has to issue refunds by check as part of his job (me by the way). And that is from a very large retailer who has their act together(ish) if you ignore the giant credit card theft my company just went through. 

These guys are amateurs obviously they could have started processing it that day and not got the check in the mail for a few days.

Now I'm not saying this is the case before you start crying any more. I'm just saying it a possibility. But I would say you're likely fucked with their track record.

I totaled my sister's car on March 1, 2014, due to slamming into another car that crossed the center line due to ice. On March 6, Progressive called my sister about 1:00 PM CST and told her that the adjuster looked at the car and offered her a settlement. After a brief exchange, they up the amount a tad, then told her the check was going in the mail that day. She received the check the very next day, the 7th. The check was set from California to Illinois.

AMT is fucking stalling and lying.

[FrictionlessCoin]

Josh and Alyson said they issued me a refund back on the 4th. As usual this has turned out to be another AMT lie. It does not take 10 days to get from PA to NC. If you folks still believe in AMT you are assholes and deserve everything you have coming to you. I wish I never heard of AMT. Everything that comes out of their mouths is a lie - its crazy.

So you are telling us that we are assholes because we bought from AMT?

That we deserve to be punished for doing so?

If you are to vent your anger,  do it against AMT and not the poor customers here.

Why don't you vent some anger towards AMT? Oh wait, you are too busy trying to reassure some poor sap here about AMT delivering so you can unload your pre-orders and get out while you still can.

I think the responsible thing to do at this point is:

1> Wait until you receive your miner THEN sell it
2> Take legal action

But I don't expect you to heed my advice. You obviously have no issue with unloading your "miners" to some unsuspecting fool.  These same miners that no one can prove actually exist yet.

Guess I can't blame you for trying to sell them before you have them in hand, as they lose value every passing day now.

You folks have your priorities all wrong.  The highest priority it to get as much BTC that we can get for our investment.  

Trying to prove that you are right,  or that AMT is incompetent or a scam does not improve anyone's probability of success.

The only options we have left are (with probabilities of success) and (upside).

(1) Ask and demand a refund (35%) (0%).
(2) Sell your miner pre-order to someone else (70%) (-5%).
(3) Wait till you get your miner and sell it (30%) (10%).
(4) Go to small claims court to extract a refund (80%) (-5%).
(5) Wait for the miner and hope to mine enough BTC to ROI (15%) (-30%)

wasting time criticizing AMT... smearing AMT...  comparing AMT with other better option.  (0% probability of success) (0% upside).

That's why I think folks like sirminesalot, clenell, losia are all a bunch of losers because they don't take actions that lead to profit,  just a lot of hot air.

People here are just calling it how it is, maybe you should do the same.

What are the percentages when AMT doesn't deliver? You act like filing a lawsuit guarantees you'll get your money back.

Time to wake up and smell the bullshit. AMT brought this upon themselves, and now you just want everyone to 'be nice'. Not going to happen.

I put the percentage at 30% that they deliver and can sell the miner.   15% that they deliver and you get an ROI.  

You seem to only work with black and white.  That is, they are either a scam or they are not a scam.  You also act in a way that does not lead to any favorable results.   My point is... you are clueless on what to do.

What value does it have to continue to smear AMT?  All it does it make it very difficult for the company to deliver anything.  

I want my miner or my money back... you have done nothing to make it easier for me to get either back.

[eightcylinders]

Time to wake up and smell the bullshit. AMT brought this upon themselves, and now you just want everyone to 'be nice'. Not going to happen.

There is still a small, but fast-closing window, for AMT to start acting like a respectable business and tell us the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but and then to work with us to find a solution of some kind.  

If there is any saving AMT, they need to tell us everything, right now.  I don't care what the truth is, I just want to know and I want them to stop lying, stop hiding.  Tell us that they really are a bunch of b-school dropouts who thought that starting a bitcoin mining machine manufacturer would be just as easy as creating a web site, and now they really are sorry that they realize their mistake; tell us that they are sorry about lying about having already shipped, when in fact not a single unit has been built and shipped by AMT; tell us that they were horribly wrong and now are in way over their heads; apologize for being defensive and non-responsive, and mean it; tell us customers, who have essentially funded their company, exactly what the product designs exist, what testing results are, what problems need to be overcome; and with us customers, develop a realistic plan to delivery something soon, OR  give up, sell off assets, and refund on a pro rata basis as much as possible but in any case involve us in the decision since its our money they wasted.

I am not saying all that is true, only that the real truth can't be much worse than that.  While not everyone might be so generous, I am willing to be "nice" if I know that AMT is working with us and being upfront, giving us everything now that it is clear they cannot delivery as promised.

The more I hear nothing from AMT, the more I am convinced that documents are being shredded and assets hidden while we wait and that makes me want to act quickly.  And to AMT: you know my name, go ahead and google me.  Ask yourself if you really want someone with my resources chasing you to the ends of the earth.  If AMT doesn't speak up soon, I won't care about my investment (doubled as I tried to help AMT out) I will be a lot more interested in seeing someone go to jail.  

Your decision Josh or whomever you are.  Please make the right decision.

[FrictionlessCoin]

The same fucking thing I'm doing--protecting our concern. That concern being Bitcoin, a cryptocurrency. If these were miners that mined a virtual currency, his and my ass wouldn't even have registered on this forum.

Who annoited you as 'protector of bitcoin'?

What does one's company's incompetence have anything to do with 'protecting bitcoin'.

You are just a wanna-be arm chair detective/vigilante.... nothing more.

Smear campaigns against AMT does not bring me any close to getting my money back or my miner.

I think AMT customers are better served if you get the hell out of this thread.

[FrictionlessCoin]

Time to wake up and smell the bullshit. AMT brought this upon themselves, and now you just want everyone to 'be nice'. Not going to happen.

There is still a small, but fast-closing window, for AMT to start acting like a respectable business and tell us the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but and then to work with us to find a solution of some kind.  

If there is any saving AMT, they need to tell us everything, right now.  I don't care what the truth is, I just want to know and I want them to stop lying, stop hiding.  Tell us that they really are a bunch of b-school dropouts who thought that starting a bitcoin mining machine manufacturer would be just as easy as creating a web site, and now they really are sorry that they realize their mistake; tell us that they are sorry about lying about having already shipped, when in fact not a single unit has been built and shipped by AMT; tell us that they were horribly wrong and now are in way over their heads; apologize for being defensive and non-responsive, and mean it; tell us customers, who have essentially funded their company, exactly what the product designs exist, what testing results are, what problems need to be overcome; and with us customers, develop a realistic plan to delivery something soon, OR  give up, sell off assets, and refund on a pro rata basis as much as possible but in any case involve us in the decision since its our money they wasted.

I am not saying all that is true, only that the real truth can't be much worse than that.  While not everyone might be so generous, I am willing to be "nice" if I know that AMT is working with us and being upfront, giving us everything now that it is clear they cannot delivery as promised.

The more I hear nothing from AMT, the more I am convinced that documents are being shredded and assets hidden while we wait and that makes me want to act quickly.  And to AMT: you know my name, go ahead and google me.  Ask yourself if you really want someone with my resources chasing you to the ends of the earth.  If AMT doesn't speak up soon, I won't care about my investment (doubled as I tried to help AMT out) I will be a lot more interested in seeing someone go to jail.  

Your decision Josh or whomever you are.  Please make the right decision.

+1

Finally a rant that makes sense.

Sirminesalot, Phinnaeus Gage, Losia,  Cennel... get the hell out of this thread so AMT customers can figure out how to get their money back.  You folks are worthless!

[sirminesalot]

Frictionlesscoin: You're pathetic. I hope everyone else can get their issues resolved, but you - I hope they take your money and run. You are an asshole and contribute nothing to this thread. Since day 1 you've been here trying to pawn off your investments. That screams that you have no confidence in AMT anymore. Why the fuck should we shut up so you can spread your 'positive thoughts' so some poor unsuspecting fool buys your order?

You're just another dipshit that thought he could get rich quick mining, and then thought "well, if i kiss AMT's ass: they will take care of me" - so far neither has worked out for you. The fact that you stooped so low as to promote AMT (for your own self interest) speaks volumes about your intent here.

YOU need to fuck off, dipshit.