ODI cricket and general cricketing discussion [self - mod]

[eaLiTy]

Why players of Pakistan, Srilanka, West Indies don't sledge? Why only players from big 3 are good in sledging? The reason is very obvious, big 3 players have confidence that ICC won't take any action against them. Aussies and now Indians take pride in sledging, I bet if same is done by a player of Pakistan, Srilanka or other small board icc must have taken strong action.

Do not be comical about only the big 3 countries have the authority of sledging and that it is forbidden to other countries . In the past Australia was notorious in the mental game. Right now the intensity has come down but whenever Indian and Pakistan play there will be sledging in one form or the other. When West Indies dominated cricket their players countered with aggression with the ball and bat.

I want to see aggression and sledging in moderation, if not it will be boring. It should be entertaining and fun for the viewers.

[coinism]

Well.. it is hard to define the limit. Cricket is known as the gentleman's game, but IMO there is nothing wrong in showing off emotions in a respectful way. Look at other sports such as football and basketball. You will find such players there as well. Such behavior can be tolerated, up to a limit. And the match referee should decide up to which level sledging can be tolerated. If it goes beyond this limit, then strict punishment should be handed out, such as suspension from a few matches (seizure of match fees doesn't make any difference).

That's because other federations like fifa are very much empowered and not controlled by few big powers. I don't think Aussies sledge in decent manner, they have crossed all limits in that case. Haven't seen any Aussie player getting banned because of sledging.

[kro55]

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Well.. it is hard to define the limit. Cricket is known as the gentleman's game, but IMO there is nothing wrong in showing off emotions in a respectful way. Look at other sports such as football and basketball. You will find such players there as well. Such behavior can be tolerated, up to a limit. And the match referee should decide up to which level sledging can be tolerated. If it goes beyond this limit, then strict punishment should be handed out, such as suspension from a few matches (seizure of match fees doesn't make any difference).

I think in every sport a little bit of taunting to make the opponent angry or emotional so that you can have some certain advantage over your opponent mentally.

But, to say something about personal law or some racial stuff is absolutely not right at any stage. we know that other sports like football etc. be physically tense compared to cricket and it is easy for players to lose their calmness in those sports. but in cricket we expect players to behave rationally. because we believe cricket is their thinking man's sport. and it is very hard to draw the line between good sledging and bad sledging.

[laurenB7742]

Why players of Pakistan, Srilanka, West Indies don't sledge? Why only players from big 3 are good in sledging? The reason is very obvious, big 3 players have confidence that ICC won't take any action against them. Aussies and now Indians take pride in sledging, I bet if same is done by a player of Pakistan, Srilanka or other small board icc must have taken strong action.

Do not be comical about only the big 3 countries have the authority of sledging and that it is forbidden to other countries . In the past Australia was notorious in the mental game. Right now the intensity has come down but whenever Indian and Pakistan play there will be sledging in one form or the other. When West Indies dominated cricket their players countered with aggression with the ball and bat.

I want to see aggression and sledging in moderation, if not it will be boring. It should be entertaining and fun for the viewers.

I don't think sledging is only done by the big 3. I think almost all the team does some sledging at a certain amount. But the problem is the big 3 are so renowned for sledging that people only point their fingers at them. remember no one is a saint and neither they are devils, right? there are some situations in every match where certain players can obviously lose their calmness.

[bitgov]

I don't think sledging is only done by the big 3. I think almost all the team does some sledging at a certain amount. But the problem is the big 3 are so renowned for sledging that people only point their fingers at them. remember no one is a saint and neither they are devils, right? there are some situations in every match where certain players can obviously lose their calmness.

I think it's okay sometime if the players lose control of their emotion. They are humans and they have their own ways of showing emotions. Since they are superstars so fans notice their every move. But let's let them celebrate their way.

[noormcs5]

Actually, I don't like players who cannot control their emotions on the field because if you cannot control your emotion on the field how are you supposed to keep a calm head when things are not going well for you? I mean a little expression of emotion is all right but you cannot be done enough to scream on the stumps mic.

And I don't want anyone to sledge in cricket because I believe it is a respected sport and all the players should be treated with respect by their opponent.

Why players of Pakistan, Srilanka, West Indies don't sledge? Why only players from big 3 are good in sledging? The reason is very obvious, big 3 players have confidence that ICC won't take any action against them. Aussies and now Indians take pride in sledging, I bet if same is done by a player of Pakistan, Srilanka or other small board icc must have taken strong action.

I am not sure how this is true and i have witness people from Bangladesh and Pakistan also sledging in the matches against the big three.
I still remember when Javed Miandad made a mockery of the Indian wicketkeeper by jumping like him in the 1992  world cup match between India and Pakistan.

[eaLiTy]

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I don't think sledging is only done by the big 3. I think almost all the team does some sledging at a certain amount. But the problem is the big 3 are so renowned for sledging that people only point their fingers at them. remember no one is a saint and neither they are devils, right? there are some situations in every match where certain players can obviously lose their calmness.

There is nothing wrong in loosing their calmness when you miss a catch during crucial situations and India started sledging back after Sourav Ganguly became the captain, before that there was not much said by India even when they are under fire from the Aussies or other countries.

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I am not sure how this is true and i have witness people from Bangladesh and Pakistan also sledging in the matches against the big three.
I still remember when Javed Miandad made a mockery of the Indian wicketkeeper by jumping like him in the 1992  world cup match between India and Pakistan.

Venkatesh Prasad and Aamir Sohail is another encounter that everyone remembers when Aamir Sohail smashes back to back boundaries and shows his bat in gesture that any ball will go to the boundary and the very next ball he took his stumps and his hand signal in anger was the highlight of the match that would hype up any fan watching the match.

[UmerIdrees]

I am not sure how this is true and i have witness people from Bangladesh and Pakistan also sledging in the matches against the big three.
I still remember when Javed Miandad made a mockery of the Indian wicketkeeper by jumping like him in the 1992  world cup match between India and Pakistan.

Venkatesh Prasad and Aamir Sohail is another encounter that everyone remembers when Aamir Sohail smashes back to back boundaries and shows his bat in gesture that any ball will go to the boundary and the very next ball he took his stumps and his hand signal in anger was the highlight of the match that would hype up any fan watching the match.

You both made me travel in the past and recall those incidents. Cricket in those old days was more interesting and fun to watch. Perhaps, we were young in those days and everyone loves the past.
By the way, I miss those sledging incidents maybe because now there are no matches/series between the two rivals Pakistan and India. 

[Sithara007]

Venkatesh Prasad and Aamir Sohail is another encounter that everyone remembers when Aamir Sohail smashes back to back boundaries and shows his bat in gesture that any ball will go to the boundary and the very next ball he took his stumps and his hand signal in anger was the highlight of the match that would hype up any fan watching the match.

The Indian bowlers back then (guys such as Venkatesh Prasad and Javagal Srinath) were perfect gentlemen and they never indulged in any sledging. Now the situation has completely changed, with bowlers such as Navdeep Saini resorting to beamers and verbal abuse. And apart from isolated incidents, the other two South Asian teams (Pakistan and Sri Lanka) also refrained from sledging. But then, for teams such as Australia and South Africa (and to some extent New Zealand and England), sledging was always a part of their strategy.

[coinism]

The Indian bowlers back then (guys such as Venkatesh Prasad and Javagal Srinath) were perfect gentlemen and they never indulged in any sledging. Now the situation has completely changed, with bowlers such as Navdeep Saini resorting to beamers and verbal abuse. And apart from isolated incidents, the other two South Asian teams (Pakistan and Sri Lanka) also refrained from sledging. But then, for teams such as Australia and South Africa (and to some extent New Zealand and England), sledging was always a part of their strategy.

Navdeep Saini is insane guy, he has played 3 to 5 matches for India and start behaving like he is legendary fast bowler of all time. South Africa these days is down and out none of there player is of top level except few, so they can't show eyes to opponents. Srinath and Prasad, if playing today will not refrained  from sledging since bcci is no more a weak board of 80s and 90s.

[bitgov]

I am not sure how this is true and i have witness people from Bangladesh and Pakistan also sledging in the matches against the big three.
I still remember when Javed Miandad made a mockery of the Indian wicketkeeper by jumping like him in the 1992  world cup match between India and Pakistan.

Haha - Miadad was a legend - those were the days. I wish that time to come back.
Waqar, Waseem, IMRAN KHAN, Rashid Lateef. Those were the days when we use to watch cricket on small TV in our living rooms. Now everyone has TV in their rooms. No fun of watching TV left now.

[LittleBitFunny]

Venkatesh Prasad and Aamir Sohail is another encounter that everyone remembers when Aamir Sohail smashes back to back boundaries and shows his bat in gesture that any ball will go to the boundary and the very next ball he took his stumps and his hand signal in anger was the highlight of the match that would hype up any fan watching the match.

The Indian bowlers back then (guys such as Venkatesh Prasad and Javagal Srinath) were perfect gentlemen and they never indulged in any sledging. Now the situation has completely changed, with bowlers such as Navdeep Saini resorting to beamers and verbal abuse. And apart from isolated incidents, the other two South Asian teams (Pakistan and Sri Lanka) also refrained from sledging. But then, for teams such as Australia and South Africa (and to some extent New Zealand and England), sledging was always a part of their strategy.

Honestly, if I am not wrong I think they also did some research about the personal background of their opponent and tried to talk about those things in the match time to get their mindset off the match. At times it was really bad sledging by these teams. In the past, it was really rare to see that any teams other than these did any type of sledging. Honestly, I think in those times people actually believed that they had to get better instead of believing that they are the best player in the world. I think that's why there are a lot more sledging in cricket right now because almost everyone thinks that they are the best player.

[eaLiTy]

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You both made me travel in the past and recall those incidents. Cricket in those old days was more interesting and fun to watch. Perhaps, we were young in those days and everyone loves the past.
By the way, I miss those sledging incidents maybe because now there are no matches/series between the two rivals Pakistan and India. 

Those were great memories and i used to watch every ball and in fact the matches were interesting because the bowlers were dominating and only players with solid batting technique were able to score runs against them. Pakistan and India matches were really huge and as a fan i would like to see them play each.

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The Indian bowlers back then (guys such as Venkatesh Prasad and Javagal Srinath) were perfect gentlemen and they never indulged in any sledging. Now the situation has completely changed, with bowlers such as Navdeep Saini resorting to beamers and verbal abuse. And apart from isolated incidents, the other two South Asian teams (Pakistan and Sri Lanka) also refrained from sledging. But then, for teams such as Australia and South Africa (and to some extent New Zealand and England), sledging was always a part of their strategy.

India was struggling to find fast bowlers during that period and when Javagal Srinath made his debut he was aggressive and had pace but he was not involved in any tantrums. The first Indian bowler that started giving back sledging was Sreesanth and now a days majority of the Indian bowlers does that.

[Sithara007]

India was struggling to find fast bowlers during that period and when Javagal Srinath made his debut he was aggressive and had pace but he was not involved in any tantrums. The first Indian bowler that started giving back sledging was Sreesanth and now a days majority of the Indian bowlers does that.

I guess Srinath was the only bowler back then who could bowl at speeds of greater than 90 mph. Others such as Prasad and Mohanty struggled even to reach the 80 mph mark. But in terms of attitude, all of them were known to be mild natured. Even the generation of pace bowlers who came after the Srinath-Prasad era, such as Zaheer Khan maintained this reputation. Sreesanth was an exception, and he went overboard at times. And that was the reason why his own team members went against him. Kohli even gave him a nickname of "Appam Chutiya".

[YinShuiSiYuan]

I guess Srinath was the only bowler back then who could bowl at speeds of greater than 90 mph. Others such as Prasad and Mohanty struggled even to reach the 80 mph mark. But in terms of attitude, all of them were known to be mild natured. Even the generation of pace bowlers who came after the Srinath-Prasad era, such as Zaheer Khan maintained this reputation. Sreesanth was an exception, and he went overboard at times. And that was the reason why his own team members went against him. Kohli even gave him a nickname of "Appam Chutiya".

Sreesanth despite his casual attitude manages to play 27 test and 53 ODIs for India, I still remember the drama HD created in King's 11 Punjab match. In 90s cricket was game of gentlemen and there were scores of decent players like Srinath and Prasad.

[S A KHAIR]

India was struggling to find fast bowlers during that period and when Javagal Srinath made his debut he was aggressive and had pace but he was not involved in any tantrums. The first Indian bowler that started giving back sledging was Sreesanth and now a days majority of the Indian bowlers does that.

I guess Srinath was the only bowler back then who could bowl at speeds of greater than 90 mph. Others such as Prasad and Mohanty struggled even to reach the 80 mph mark. But in terms of attitude, all of them were known to be mild natured. Even the generation of pace bowlers who came after the Srinath-Prasad era, such as Zaheer Khan maintained this reputation. Sreesanth was an exception, and he went overboard at times. And that was the reason why his own team members went against him. Kohli even gave him a nickname of "Appam Chutiya".

Indian bowlers have always been very polite and calm-natured. Except for the recent era of course. To be honest they have seen other teams sledging and having a good result and I think they are trying that themselves but sometimes they can often cross the line. And the funny thing is the bowlers who actually cross the line are not actually that good at their job .

[bitgov]

Indian bowlers have always been very polite and calm-natured. Except for the recent era of course. To be honest they have seen other teams sledging and having a good result and I think they are trying that themselves but sometimes they can often cross the line. And the funny thing is the bowlers who actually cross the line are not actually that good at their job .

We cant label - that indian bowlers are polite - there have been incidents when they lost their temper on the field as well.
Well sports is a game of emotion as well. So its okie if the player loose a temper. Also the climate change is one of the reasons of mood change too. Has anyone noticed that?

[KennyR]

Indian bowlers have always been very polite and calm-natured. Except for the recent era of course. To be honest they have seen other teams sledging and having a good result and I think they are trying that themselves but sometimes they can often cross the line. And the funny thing is the bowlers who actually cross the line are not actually that good at their job .

We cant label - that indian bowlers are polite - there have been incidents when they lost their temper on the field as well.
Well sports is a game of emotion as well. So its okie if the player loose a temper. Also the climate change is one of the reasons of mood change too. Has anyone noticed that?

Mood swings might happen, but this won't be happening out of the climate change. When matches go closer, mood swings and players used to react on the field. Indian team have good record on the home ground and gets disturbed when playing abroad. Under the captaincy of Dhoni it is very rare to see such instances of bowlers making statement on batsmen as well as starring the batsmen.

[Sithara007]

Indian bowlers have always been very polite and calm-natured. Except for the recent era of course. To be honest they have seen other teams sledging and having a good result and I think they are trying that themselves but sometimes they can often cross the line. And the funny thing is the bowlers who actually cross the line are not actually that good at their job .

Even now there are bowlers who are calm and straight forward. I am talking about guys such as Ishant, Shami and Natarajan. And IMO, Ishant and Shami are the two best Indian pace bowlers at the moment. I would rate them ahead of Bumrah, in terms of variation and consistency. But then, the Indian team is a mix of old school guys and the new aggressive ones. I don't care, as long as the combination works well. But what bothers me is the undue influence guys such as Kohli are having on the team. If someone like Shami is made the captain, that will benefit the team in a big way.

[blatchcorn]

Anyone remember Mohammad Hasnain? The young Pakistani fast bowler who is suspended from bowling in international cricket due to his illegal bowling action. After 3 months of hard work, Muhammad Hasnain has undergone test with his new bowling action and result of this test is expected in 2 weeks. Let's hope something positive come for this young man.

https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/mohammad-hasnain-undergoes-official-bowling-test-to-revive-international-career-1316180