Bitcoin Forum
December 03, 2016, 03:49:56 PM *
News: Latest stable version of Bitcoin Core: 0.13.1  [Torrent].
 
   Home   Help Search Donate Login Register  
Poll
Question: Will you support Gavin's new block size limit hard fork of 8MB by January 1, 2016 then doubling every 2 years?
1.  yes
2.  no

Pages: « 1 ... 879 880 881 882 883 884 885 886 887 888 889 890 891 892 893 894 895 896 897 898 899 900 901 902 903 904 905 906 907 908 909 910 911 912 913 914 915 916 917 918 919 920 921 922 923 924 925 926 927 928 [929] 930 931 932 933 934 935 936 937 938 939 940 941 942 943 944 945 946 947 948 949 950 951 952 953 954 955 956 957 958 959 960 961 962 963 964 965 966 967 968 969 970 971 972 973 974 975 976 977 978 979 ... 1560 »
  Print  
Author Topic: Gold collapsing. Bitcoin UP.  (Read 1803729 times)
cypherdoc
Legendary
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 1764



View Profile
December 06, 2014, 09:17:41 PM
 #18561


Gornick keeps having to remind me to stop  accidentally protecting my tweets. Try now.
Advertised sites are not endorsed by the Bitcoin Forum. They may be unsafe, untrustworthy, or illegal in your jurisdiction. Advertise here.
1480780196
Hero Member
*
Offline Offline

Posts: 1480780196

View Profile Personal Message (Offline)

Ignore
1480780196
Reply with quote  #2

1480780196
Report to moderator
1480780196
Hero Member
*
Offline Offline

Posts: 1480780196

View Profile Personal Message (Offline)

Ignore
1480780196
Reply with quote  #2

1480780196
Report to moderator
1480780196
Hero Member
*
Offline Offline

Posts: 1480780196

View Profile Personal Message (Offline)

Ignore
1480780196
Reply with quote  #2

1480780196
Report to moderator
sidhujag
Legendary
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 1288


View Profile
December 06, 2014, 10:19:00 PM
 #18562

I know buterin and larimer met up in vegas this yr and larimer convinced buterik about dpos maybe now is when they switch.. another notch under the belt for
bitshares

I see that as a  negative.

Bitshares had had to change itself several times for flawed assumptions. DPOS probably won't be any better than POS. And the fact that Vitalik was meeting with and changing its own model just this summer goes to show just how incoherent their whole concept is a well.
Flawed assumptions? I guess nature is based on flawed assumptions for allowing evolution to happen.
cypherdoc
Legendary
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 1764



View Profile
December 06, 2014, 10:39:09 PM
 #18563

I know buterin and larimer met up in vegas this yr and larimer convinced buterik about dpos maybe now is when they switch.. another notch under the belt for
bitshares

I see that as a  negative.

Bitshares had had to change itself several times for flawed assumptions. DPOS probably won't be any better than POS. And the fact that Vitalik was meeting with and changing its own model just this summer goes to show just how incoherent their whole concept is a well.
Flawed assumptions? I guess nature is based on flawed assumptions for allowing evolution to happen.

Or it just never works at all.
cypherdoc
Legendary
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 1764



View Profile
December 07, 2014, 03:00:07 AM
 #18564

really good discussion on SOV, swaps, wealth transfer, and creative destruction:

https://epicenterbitcoin.com/podcast/055/
NewLiberty
Legendary
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 1064


Gresham's Lawyer


View Profile WWW
December 07, 2014, 03:06:59 AM
 #18565




This is gonna be fun... When you buy one of his books on his site, you can get a "custom inscription" which it sounds like Jim personally hand-writes on the book. So I'll be buying one with a personal inscription regarding bitcoin that'll be utterly painful for Jim to write.

I'm taking suggestions. It can be up to 150 words.

Rickards has a fairly rational position on Bitcoin.
If you have read much of his works, he thinks Bitcoin is a good thing, understands its merits, and the basics of what it is, but he is not (yet) one of us crazy optimists that expect that it will both catch on someday... and that it can also save the world.  Many here take it for granted that it will do both and don't see the very long and embattled road ahead leading toward that goal.  Others are engaged in the sometimes very hard work of moving closer toward that goal.

FREE MONEY1 Bitcoin for Silver and Gold NewLibertyDollar.com and now BITCOIN SPECIE (silver 1 ozt) shows value by QR
Bulk premiums as low as .0012 BTC "BETTER, MORE COLLECTIBLE, AND CHEAPER THAN SILVER EAGLES" 1Free of Government
NewLiberty
Legendary
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 1064


Gresham's Lawyer


View Profile WWW
December 07, 2014, 03:12:13 AM
 #18566


Gornick keeps having to remind me to stop  accidentally protecting my tweets. Try now.

Gornick is a good guy. Smiley  While he is at it, maybe he can fix Rickards too... and get him to stop using the #bictoin hashtag and use #bitcoin instead.  Wink

FREE MONEY1 Bitcoin for Silver and Gold NewLibertyDollar.com and now BITCOIN SPECIE (silver 1 ozt) shows value by QR
Bulk premiums as low as .0012 BTC "BETTER, MORE COLLECTIBLE, AND CHEAPER THAN SILVER EAGLES" 1Free of Government
justusranvier
Legendary
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 1400



View Profile WWW
December 07, 2014, 03:24:14 AM
 #18567

This would have never happened a year ago:

https://twitter.com/JustusRanvier/status/541431742578434048
sidhujag
Legendary
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 1288


View Profile
December 07, 2014, 03:29:00 AM
 #18568

I know buterin and larimer met up in vegas this yr and larimer convinced buterik about dpos maybe now is when they switch.. another notch under the belt for
bitshares

I see that as a  negative.

Bitshares had had to change itself several times for flawed assumptions. DPOS probably won't be any better than POS. And the fact that Vitalik was meeting with and changing its own model just this summer goes to show just how incoherent their whole concept is a well.
Flawed assumptions? I guess nature is based on flawed assumptions for allowing evolution to happen.

Or it just never works at all.
Define works
cypherdoc
Legendary
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 1764



View Profile
December 07, 2014, 03:32:44 AM
 #18569

MACD cross on weekly:

thezerg
Legendary
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 1246


View Profile
December 07, 2014, 03:35:36 AM
 #18570

I know buterin and larimer met up in vegas this yr and larimer convinced buterik about dpos maybe now is when they switch.. another notch under the belt for
bitshares

I see that as a  negative.

Bitshares had had to change itself several times for flawed assumptions. DPOS probably won't be any better than POS. And the fact that Vitalik was meeting with and changing its own model just this summer goes to show just how incoherent their whole concept is a well.
Flawed assumptions? I guess nature is based on flawed assumptions for allowing evolution to happen.

Or it just never works at all.
Define works

Worse than that.  I found that he lacks the fundamental mental techniques needed to objectively assess an idea.  Just read the bitshares white paper.  It is (or at least was) a lot of wishes and hand waving.  I cant believe he got money... just goes to show that its more abt who u know.
cypherdoc
Legendary
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 1764



View Profile
December 07, 2014, 03:37:17 AM
 #18571

I know buterin and larimer met up in vegas this yr and larimer convinced buterik about dpos maybe now is when they switch.. another notch under the belt for
bitshares

I see that as a  negative.

Bitshares had had to change itself several times for flawed assumptions. DPOS probably won't be any better than POS. And the fact that Vitalik was meeting with and changing its own model just this summer goes to show just how incoherent their whole concept is a well.
Flawed assumptions? I guess nature is based on flawed assumptions for allowing evolution to happen.

Or it just never works at all.
Define works

i've said before that it's possible that the blockchain may only be applicable to Bitcoin as money.  perhaps if the Bitcoin price gets so high that it becomes impractical or expensive to embed Bitshare stock certificates into an OP_RETURN.  or simply that the core devs continue to restrict competition from Bitcoin 2.0 platforms like they did to Satoshi Dice and CP.  i'm not saying this is necessarily how it will play out but simply a scenario that needs to be considered.
justusranvier
Legendary
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 1400



View Profile WWW
December 07, 2014, 03:46:31 AM
 #18572

perhaps if the Bitcoin price gets so high that it becomes impractical or expensive to embed Bitshare stock certificates into an OP_RETURN. 
Easily fixable.

Make 1 satoshi equal to more than one share of stock.
sidhujag
Legendary
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 1288


View Profile
December 07, 2014, 03:49:55 AM
 #18573

I know buterin and larimer met up in vegas this yr and larimer convinced buterik about dpos maybe now is when they switch.. another notch under the belt for
bitshares

I see that as a  negative.

Bitshares had had to change itself several times for flawed assumptions. DPOS probably won't be any better than POS. And the fact that Vitalik was meeting with and changing its own model just this summer goes to show just how incoherent their whole concept is a well.
Flawed assumptions? I guess nature is based on flawed assumptions for allowing evolution to happen.

Or it just never works at all.
Define works

i've said before that it's possible that the blockchain may only be applicable to Bitcoin as money.  perhaps if the Bitcoin price gets so high that it becomes impractical or expensive to embed Bitshare stock certificates into an OP_RETURN.  or simply that the core devs continue to restrict competition from Bitcoin 2.0 platforms like they did to Satoshi Dice and CP.  i'm not saying this is necessarily how it will play out but simply a scenario that needs to be considered.
Well satoshi did say this however maybe he meant for these techs not to use btc chain as it would convolute its purpose but i strongly disagree that blockchain technology should only be used for money. Bitcoin? Yes... Another chain? No

The value of the currency of bitcoin causes no impracticallity for this particular technology which simply use bitcoin as an on or off ramp to its ecosystem

Maybe this has implications for counterparty?
cypherdoc
Legendary
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 1764



View Profile
December 07, 2014, 04:04:22 AM
 #18574

I know buterin and larimer met up in vegas this yr and larimer convinced buterik about dpos maybe now is when they switch.. another notch under the belt for
bitshares

I see that as a  negative.

Bitshares had had to change itself several times for flawed assumptions. DPOS probably won't be any better than POS. And the fact that Vitalik was meeting with and changing its own model just this summer goes to show just how incoherent their whole concept is a well.
Flawed assumptions? I guess nature is based on flawed assumptions for allowing evolution to happen.

Or it just never works at all.
Define works

i've said before that it's possible that the blockchain may only be applicable to Bitcoin as money.  perhaps if the Bitcoin price gets so high that it becomes impractical or expensive to embed Bitshare stock certificates into an OP_RETURN.  or simply that the core devs continue to restrict competition from Bitcoin 2.0 platforms like they did to Satoshi Dice and CP.  i'm not saying this is necessarily how it will play out but simply a scenario that needs to be considered.
Well satoshi did say this however maybe he meant for these techs not to use btc chain as it would convolute its purpose but i strongly disagree that blockchain technology should only be used for money. Bitcoin? Yes... Another chain? No

The value of the currency of bitcoin causes no impracticallity for this particular technology which simply use bitcoin as an on or off ramp to its ecosystem

Maybe this has implications for counterparty?

maybe.

i guess my major concern is with Larimer himself.  you said "evolution" in an earlier post.  when i think of evolution, i at least think of a "working" product that gets improved upon or "evolved".  first it was what?  Protoshares or something?  then Bitshares?  and now Bitshares +/- Ethereum?  nothing substantive or workable has been released, afaik.  when does one quit?  when he runs out of investor funding?
cypherdoc
Legendary
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 1764



View Profile
December 07, 2014, 04:18:44 AM
 #18575

what a great story.  Vavilov devved the BitFury in his garage in the Ukraine.  i remember reading the evolution of this chip from its beginning: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=83332.0
i guess i should feel lucky having mined with his first generation chips which are now obsolete. 

you can see that Bitfury has become a behemoth in the mining industry alongside companies out of China.  this is good for the decentralization of mining and fits well within the game theory of Nash.  he says in this article that he has no clue what's going on with these foreign companies so you can see there is very little chance that they'd collude for a 51% attack.  this is what happens when you have a form of money that is non-corruptible, sound and apolitical.  the incentive structure becomes that of pure competition with an understanding that performing honestly within the proper and immutable ruleset will get one further along than cheating.

http://www.coindesk.com/bitfury-ceo-bitcoin-mining-company/
sidhujag
Legendary
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 1288


View Profile
December 07, 2014, 04:23:49 AM
 #18576

I know buterin and larimer met up in vegas this yr and larimer convinced buterik about dpos maybe now is when they switch.. another notch under the belt for
bitshares

I see that as a  negative.

Bitshares had had to change itself several times for flawed assumptions. DPOS probably won't be any better than POS. And the fact that Vitalik was meeting with and changing its own model just this summer goes to show just how incoherent their whole concept is a well.
Flawed assumptions? I guess nature is based on flawed assumptions for allowing evolution to happen.

Or it just never works at all.
Define works

i've said before that it's possible that the blockchain may only be applicable to Bitcoin as money.  perhaps if the Bitcoin price gets so high that it becomes impractical or expensive to embed Bitshare stock certificates into an OP_RETURN.  or simply that the core devs continue to restrict competition from Bitcoin 2.0 platforms like they did to Satoshi Dice and CP.  i'm not saying this is necessarily how it will play out but simply a scenario that needs to be considered.
Well satoshi did say this however maybe he meant for these techs not to use btc chain as it would convolute its purpose but i strongly disagree that blockchain technology should only be used for money. Bitcoin? Yes... Another chain? No

The value of the currency of bitcoin causes no impracticallity for this particular technology which simply use bitcoin as an on or off ramp to its ecosystem

Maybe this has implications for counterparty?

maybe.

i guess my major concern is with Larimer himself.  you said "evolution" in an earlier post.  when i think of evolution, i at least think of a "working" product that gets improved upon or "evolved".  first it was what?  Protoshares or something?  then Bitshares?  and now Bitshares +/- Ethereum?  nothing substantive or workable has been released, afaik.  when does one quit?  when he runs out of investor funding?
Its running and working as intended. Protoshares was the legal loophole attempt to Crowdfound for bitshares.

It evolved to get merged into bitsharesx and now its called bitshares as there were problems with protoshares since its consensus algo was pow based and it was better to use dpos thus just merged into bitshares.

Ethereum is am independent project and these guys were just passing ideas off of each other.. And i guess he convinced buterik the merits of dpos..

Larimer claims the consensus it uses is orders of magnitude more secure than bitcoins.. Without wack incentives of mining.

I was a skeptic before too but for a developer I would argue it is the most unique setup of all coins. You have to understand what my philosophy is for "the coin" to get why I say that... But along the same lines I decided to use The system and become a delegate to sign blocks.. Developing whatever apps they need making me about $3k usd a month in todays prices. Yes usd i can hold in bitusd which is pegged to usd.

Anyone can becomd a delegate aslong as they provide benefit.. Bumping top 101 people doimg the best job based on whats needed
cbeast
Donator
Legendary
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 1722

Let's talk governance, lipstick, and pigs.


View Profile
December 07, 2014, 04:39:41 AM
 #18577

I know buterin and larimer met up in vegas this yr and larimer convinced buterik about dpos maybe now is when they switch.. another notch under the belt for
bitshares

I see that as a  negative.

Bitshares had had to change itself several times for flawed assumptions. DPOS probably won't be any better than POS. And the fact that Vitalik was meeting with and changing its own model just this summer goes to show just how incoherent their whole concept is a well.
I'm curious as to an anarchist such as Amir's take on PoS. I don't see much crossover between the anarchists and libertarians with PoS. While Bitcoin seems to serve both camps.

Any significantly advanced cryptocurrency is indistinguishable from Ponzi Tulips.
Melbustus
Legendary
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 1554



View Profile
December 07, 2014, 05:26:17 AM
 #18578




This is gonna be fun... When you buy one of his books on his site, you can get a "custom inscription" which it sounds like Jim personally hand-writes on the book. So I'll be buying one with a personal inscription regarding bitcoin that'll be utterly painful for Jim to write.

I'm taking suggestions. It can be up to 150 words.

Rickards has a fairly rational position on Bitcoin.
...


I disagree:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fpYlc5oftM0

https://twitter.com/JamesGRickards/status/533057485264134144

^ He's overly negative and seems to be deliberately on the attack.

In fact, I wouldn't be all that surprised if his acceptance of bitcoin in his store was in the hopes that he would NOT see very many bitcoin sales just so that he could rant about measly volume after the holidays.

Bitcoin is the first monetary system to credibly offer perfect information to all economic participants.
But Bitcointalk & /r/bitcoin are heavily censored. bitco.in/forum, forum.bitcoin.com, and /r/btc are open.
Best info on Casascius coins: http://spotcoins.com/casascius
cypherdoc
Legendary
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 1764



View Profile
December 07, 2014, 06:20:56 AM
 #18579


The Internet is on Fire | Mikko Hypponen | TEDxBrussels

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QKe-aO44R7k&app=desktop
sidhujag
Legendary
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 1288


View Profile
December 07, 2014, 06:51:14 AM
 #18580

TedxBermuda
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=97ufCT6lQcY

Was good one from charles
Pages: « 1 ... 879 880 881 882 883 884 885 886 887 888 889 890 891 892 893 894 895 896 897 898 899 900 901 902 903 904 905 906 907 908 909 910 911 912 913 914 915 916 917 918 919 920 921 922 923 924 925 926 927 928 [929] 930 931 932 933 934 935 936 937 938 939 940 941 942 943 944 945 946 947 948 949 950 951 952 953 954 955 956 957 958 959 960 961 962 963 964 965 966 967 968 969 970 971 972 973 974 975 976 977 978 979 ... 1560 »
  Print  
 
Jump to:  

Sponsored by , a Bitcoin-accepting VPN.
Powered by MySQL Powered by PHP Powered by SMF 1.1.19 | SMF © 2006-2009, Simple Machines Valid XHTML 1.0! Valid CSS!