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December 13, 2014, 03:02:56 AM
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The value of gold will drop to nearly zero because of the amount of gold it will deposit in its aftermath.
“The only reason why gold is so valuable is because it is so rare. When this asteroid hits, gold will be more plentiful than iron. It will be worthless!” Said global economy expert Gig Young from his Manhattan office.


https://aceflashman.wordpress.com/2009/10/27/solid-gold-asteroid-head-for-earth-world-economy-in-peril/
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December 13, 2014, 03:27:18 AM
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Warning: Inflated ego:

http://panampost.com/belen-marty/2014/12/12/juan-llanos-bitcoin-was-born-regulated/

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December 13, 2014, 04:16:05 AM
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I'd say (and have said) that the guy is pretty much spot on.  It will be more or less trivial to regulate Bitcoin at this point thanks to the idiots who want to take it mainstream in native form (cough...cypherdoc...cough.)  I've also described how simple and effective it would be to modulate through {choose-color}listing.  The fact that it has not happened yet is a testament to how much more useful it is alive than dead, and that is probably largely due to the number of moron semi-crooks who use it.

Now sidechains using Bitcoin as a reserve backing could, and hopefully will, change the dynamics significantly.  That is not to say that the same attacks on Bitcoin would not be possible, and that they would probably not have some grievous impacts on the userbase, but the attacks would be much more difficult to pull off and there would be a lot more flexibility in fighting them off.

Bitcoin in it's present form has one and basically only one major advantage over most other instruments.  No counter-party risk.  That's really about it IMHO.


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December 13, 2014, 04:22:09 AM
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If I had your amount of coins it would be a no brainer.

i don't have any coins  Grin

Yeah I have just one question, more or less than 100,000? Wink

hey, Emin Gun Sirer is a computer science researcher.  he says he knows everything.

he says guys like me can't have more than 100 BTC.  who are you to disagree with him?  he's worked it out mathematically.  Grin


I missed that...where does he talk about people's holdings?

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December 13, 2014, 04:22:35 AM
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Bitcoin in it's present form has one and basically only one major advantage over most other instruments.  No counter-party risk.  That's really about it IMHO.


A few others, but that's the big one, yes.

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December 13, 2014, 05:06:41 AM
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If I had your amount of coins it would be a no brainer.

i don't have any coins  Grin

Yeah I have just one question, more or less than 100,000? Wink

hey, Emin Gun Sirer is a computer science researcher.  he says he knows everything.

he says guys like me can't have more than 100 BTC.  who are you to disagree with him?  he's worked it out mathematically.  Grin


I missed that...where does he talk about people's holdings?

https://twitter.com/el33th4xor/status/543456323749564416
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December 13, 2014, 05:58:42 AM
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That is a sad anecdote Adrian, but one that I think points to just how horrific the current debt-money system is. Hyper-financialization of basic goods required to live has resulted in massive debt payments that must be paid before anything else, including food.

When central banks enable free debt and leverage, it raises the price of everything people need to live, right up to the level where the public can just barely afford interest payments.

Take housing for example, without mortgages housing would be much cheaper and affordable. However with all the free leverage (30-45 year mortgages, ARMs, interest-only terms, 3% down, etc), the price of housing rises due to people bidding with leverage until no one can afford any higher interest payments. Same is true with education, health care, etc., these are all examples of necessary goods bid up due to hyper-financialization of the economy.

What is evil about this is it creates a form of debt-based serfdom for everyone. Where before your average person could save and buy a house outright in mid-life, today people can "buy" a house earlier in life, but then are locked into large debt payments that extract a significant portion of ones lifetime income potential. And there is no way to opt-out of this system, even if you choose to rent and not buy, rent prices go up with housing.

Debt serfdom is exactly what it is. We are all required to pay a significant portion of our life's labor to banks to support debt payments for basic goods that would never be priced so high without the free leverage offered.
 
So here we are today, where families skip basic food for children because they have to make the mortgage payment, school payment, healthcare payment, etc. It is scarily similar to the feudal system where people had to pay a portion of their labor to work the land to the people who inherited that land, now we have a system where people have to pay a portion of their labor to financial institutions to people who inherited financial wealth. The mechanism has changed, but the result has not.

Sorry if this is too negative or OT, comes from reading ZH for many years.

Well explained and so very true.  Just look the quotes from Chenault (AMEX CEO) on the Coindesk article. Home ownership has become a consumer nightmare, rarely does one pay off home debt anymore, they just upgrade based on income status, never obtaining ownership and perpetuating the cycle as you described.  One thing we can all count on is that we always repeat our financial mistakes, and each time the consequences are worse.  This is why I believe Bitcoin will be successful. 
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December 13, 2014, 06:19:32 AM
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Well... Mauldin seems to have a new obsession:

http://www.mauldineconomics.com/lg/bitcoin

(In that video, I count 5 visionary optimists, and one small-minded pessimist with the typical yawn-inducing criticisms)


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December 13, 2014, 06:20:50 AM
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If I had your amount of coins it would be a no brainer.

i don't have any coins  Grin

Yeah I have just one question, more or less than 100,000? Wink

hey, Emin Gun Sirer is a computer science researcher.  he says he knows everything.

he says guys like me can't have more than 100 BTC.  who are you to disagree with him?  he's worked it out mathematically.  Grin


I missed that...where does he talk about people's holdings?

https://twitter.com/el33th4xor/status/543456323749564416

Heh. You should point him to your sold-all-my-gold post from 2012.

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December 13, 2014, 07:45:03 AM
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Storage problem? What storage problem?

http://techcrunch.com/2014/12/10/new-shingled-hard-drives-hold-terabytes-for-pennies-a-gig/?ncid=rss&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Techcrunch+%28TechCrunch%29
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December 13, 2014, 07:48:22 AM
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I'd say (and have said) that the guy is pretty much spot on.  It will be more or less trivial to regulate Bitcoin at this point thanks to the idiots who want to take it mainstream in native form (cough...cypherdoc...cough.)  I've also described how simple and effective it would be to modulate through {choose-color}listing.  The fact that it has not happened yet is a testament to how much more useful it is alive than dead, and that is probably largely due to the number of moron semi-crooks who use it.

Now sidechains using Bitcoin as a reserve backing could, and hopefully will, change the dynamics significantly.  That is not to say that the same attacks on Bitcoin would not be possible, and that they would probably not have some grievous impacts on the userbase, but the attacks would be much more difficult to pull off and there would be a lot more flexibility in fighting them off.

Bitcoin in it's present form has one and basically only one major advantage over most other instruments.  No counter-party risk.  That's really about it IMHO.



Gold could go down 20% or maybe 30% but it can go up 50%, 100% or a lot more so it seems like a good investment especially since you can have Gold without much third party risk.

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December 13, 2014, 01:11:34 PM
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He should make up his mind:

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December 13, 2014, 01:20:04 PM
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I'd say (and have said) that the guy is pretty much spot on.  It will be more or less trivial to regulate Bitcoin at this point thanks to the idiots who want to take it mainstream in native form (cough...cypherdoc...cough.)  I've also described how simple and effective it would be to modulate through {choose-color}listing.  The fact that it has not happened yet is a testament to how much more useful it is alive than dead, and that is probably largely due to the number of moron semi-crooks who use it.

Now sidechains using Bitcoin as a reserve backing could, and hopefully will, change the dynamics significantly.  That is not to say that the same attacks on Bitcoin would not be possible, and that they would probably not have some grievous impacts on the userbase, but the attacks would be much more difficult to pull off and there would be a lot more flexibility in fighting them off.

Bitcoin in it's present form has one and basically only one major advantage over most other instruments.  No counter-party risk.  That's really about it IMHO.



Gold could go down 20% or maybe 30% but it can go up 50%, 100% or a lot more so it seems like a good investment especially since you can have Gold without much third party risk.

Gold is certainly a good bet at this point, brother. See here for patterns and details: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=869664.msg9823983#msg9823983

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December 13, 2014, 01:31:44 PM
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Feels like I've heard the "broken at a protocol level before".

I think Monero (XMR) is very interesting.
https://moneroeconomy.com/faq/why-monero-matters
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December 13, 2014, 05:42:44 PM
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"The internet is broken at a protocol level"  Cheesy
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December 13, 2014, 05:43:35 PM
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"The internet protocol is what's important. The internet itself is a bad idea"  Roll Eyes
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December 13, 2014, 05:47:55 PM
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Or at least dial back on the tautologies: "You heard it here first, now is a good time to X"
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"Broken at a protocol level"

Exactly which layer of the protocol is not a protocol level?
To say otherwise would be to say that Bitcoin is perfect, and development is complete, and development should then stop.

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December 13, 2014, 06:10:40 PM
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I don't know who the guy is, but selling in Nov 2013 was not a bad call, especially if a guy had use for money in 2014.  I'll hope the same does not end up applying to 2015 as well.

I also would neither agree nor dis-agree with his contention about protocol level deficiencies.  The contention rests very heavily on how Bitcoin is used in native form.  If as backing for sidechains, for instance, I would tentatively disagree.  If as a native exchange currency for the human inhabitants of planet earth to conduct even a small fraction of their general economic transactions in the 21st century, I could not agree more.

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December 13, 2014, 06:15:38 PM
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Yet another use for the blockchain outside of money: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2p56dp/controlling_a_computer_virus_with_the_blockchain/
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December 13, 2014, 10:10:07 PM
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Bittorrent was "born regulated" too. Who cares?

The question of whether the law applies to bitcoin or not, is totally fucking irrelevant. Bitcoin is designed to be censorship resistant. The question is whether it will withstand the attack it was designed to withstand.

Everybody knows those attacks are coming, it doesn't matter whether new laws or old laws are used to justify those attacks.  Is anything in this article not obvious to everyone?
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