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December 19, 2014, 09:44:53 PM
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Now thanks to a new report by ESMA titled "High-frequency trading activity in EU equity markets" we know: in the lifetime total of all orders, HFT accounts for 76% of all orders by, 49% of all trades and 43% of total value traded.
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-12-19/hft-accounts-76-all-orders-europe

the day the EU market slips, there will be no mercy. robots just dont do mercy.

I think the bigger problem is now that every time the robots figure out that it is time the market crashed then the humans panic and turn the robots off, reset and claim 'fat finger' foul or otherwise ... and this gives rise to those crazy spikes and flash crashes, etc.

Then there are the robots doing the work for the Fed and Treasury (ESF) that are more like closed-loop control algorithms working large multi-variate arrays of pricing to 'stabilise' the whole system using cash as a control input, priming humans expectations of pricing and thus financial incentive structures ... which all seems to work fine on 'normal' days but start demanding massive cash inputs on panic days (like 'hey the system just disappeared $700 billion, how did that happen? start bailing and pumping or this thing is gonna lock up')

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December 20, 2014, 01:55:06 AM
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... (like 'hey the system just disappeared $700 billion, how did that happen? start bailing and pumping or this thing is gonna lock up')

bailing and pumping...  Classic FED vocabulary Cheesy
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December 21, 2014, 03:12:47 AM
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WTF!  Where are the dozens of posts to this thread?  I cypherdoc collapsing?  One would not think so.  BTC hit $330-ish...I would have expected to see the guy and his minions going balistic with glee.  Like this:

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M1owcncKCHg

(Probably he's out for x-mas or some such.  Happy holidays all.)


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December 21, 2014, 03:29:12 AM
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I have found a new hobby, I'm trying to mine Bitcoin on waste heat from a candle and another is to height water from the waste heat from mining.

But on the upside I see Bitcoin is coming into view of the public eye.

Google search terms for 2014 tell an interesting story.

    1. Tinder
    2. Neknominate
    3. Goat Simulator
    4. Ello
    5. Bitcoin
    6. Doge
    7. Pixelmon
    8. Vines
    9. Dogecoin
    10.Flipagram

First I spent a lot of time with blinkers on, apart from the goat simulator I was ignorant of every top search term except for the cryptos.

And gold, just didn't cut it again this year.

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December 21, 2014, 07:06:01 AM
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+420 on the Dow.  wow, somebody's happy about something!

i'm staying clear of that thing.

Most people made a bundle from the Fortune 50 this year, including myself. Bitcoin was my worse performer, however I believe now is the absolutely best time to invest in crypto.  Bitcoin tends to dwell in the doldrums for a while, shaking people's beliefs and weeding out the weak, then skyrocket. 

yes, they are called cycles.  and the Dow and Bitcoin stand at opposite ends of their cycles.
Lol money is made last 1% of the cycle. It is lost 99% rest mostly... as i said so many times euphoria hadnt happened with dow and it is a long way up before the "cycle" is done.. better place to park money imo today

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December 21, 2014, 08:25:54 AM
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+420 on the Dow.  wow, somebody's happy about something!

i'm staying clear of that thing.

Most people made a bundle from the Fortune 50 this year, including myself. Bitcoin was my worse performer, however I believe now is the absolutely best time to invest in crypto.  Bitcoin tends to dwell in the doldrums for a while, shaking people's beliefs and weeding out the weak, then skyrocket. 

yes, they are called cycles.  and the Dow and Bitcoin stand at opposite ends of their cycles.
Lol money is made last 1% of the cycle. It is lost 99% rest mostly... as i said so many times euphoria hadnt happened with dow and it is a long way up before the "cycle" is done.. better place to park money imo today
Your denial is a symptom of your euphoria.

Any significantly advanced cryptocurrency is indistinguishable from Ponzi Tulips.
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December 21, 2014, 02:22:43 PM
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+420 on the Dow.  wow, somebody's happy about something!

i'm staying clear of that thing.

Most people made a bundle from the Fortune 50 this year, including myself. Bitcoin was my worse performer, however I believe now is the absolutely best time to invest in crypto.  Bitcoin tends to dwell in the doldrums for a while, shaking people's beliefs and weeding out the weak, then skyrocket. 

yes, they are called cycles.  and the Dow and Bitcoin stand at opposite ends of their cycles.
Lol money is made last 1% of the cycle. It is lost 99% rest mostly... as i said so many times euphoria hadnt happened with dow and it is a long way up before the "cycle" is done.. better place to park money imo today
Your denial is a symptom of your euphoria.
No its called understanding how herd reacts in market cycles

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December 21, 2014, 02:44:37 PM
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+420 on the Dow.  wow, somebody's happy about something!

i'm staying clear of that thing.

Most people made a bundle from the Fortune 50 this year, including myself. Bitcoin was my worse performer, however I believe now is the absolutely best time to invest in crypto.  Bitcoin tends to dwell in the doldrums for a while, shaking people's beliefs and weeding out the weak, then skyrocket. 

yes, they are called cycles.  and the Dow and Bitcoin stand at opposite ends of their cycles.
Lol money is made last 1% of the cycle. It is lost 99% rest mostly... as i said so many times euphoria hadnt happened with dow and it is a long way up before the "cycle" is done.. better place to park money imo today
Your denial is a symptom of your euphoria.
No its called understanding how herd reacts in market cycles
Perhaps, but it is way overdue for a correction. The herd is being led to a slaughter and it's going to be ugly.

Any significantly advanced cryptocurrency is indistinguishable from Ponzi Tulips.
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December 21, 2014, 03:48:12 PM
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+420 on the Dow.  wow, somebody's happy about something!

i'm staying clear of that thing.

Most people made a bundle from the Fortune 50 this year, including myself. Bitcoin was my worse performer, however I believe now is the absolutely best time to invest in crypto.  Bitcoin tends to dwell in the doldrums for a while, shaking people's beliefs and weeding out the weak, then skyrocket. 

yes, they are called cycles.  and the Dow and Bitcoin stand at opposite ends of their cycles.
Lol money is made last 1% of the cycle. It is lost 99% rest mostly... as i said so many times euphoria hadnt happened with dow and it is a long way up before the "cycle" is done.. better place to park money imo today
Your denial is a symptom of your euphoria.
No its called understanding how herd reacts in market cycles

Now you have my attention.

What type of analysis techniques do you use to measure cycles?
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December 21, 2014, 04:20:55 PM
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WTF!  Where are the dozens of posts to this thread?  I cypherdoc collapsing?  One would not think so.  BTC hit $330-ish...I would have expected to see the guy and his minions going balistic with glee.  Like this:

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M1owcncKCHg

(Probably he's out for x-mas or some such.  Happy holidays all.)


We are running out of sidechains doping Smiley

Joking aside I prefer quality over quantity by a long shot.

Happy holidays everyone.

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December 21, 2014, 04:56:47 PM
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+420 on the Dow.  wow, somebody's happy about something!

i'm staying clear of that thing.

Most people made a bundle from the Fortune 50 this year, including myself. Bitcoin was my worse performer, however I believe now is the absolutely best time to invest in crypto.  Bitcoin tends to dwell in the doldrums for a while, shaking people's beliefs and weeding out the weak, then skyrocket. 

yes, they are called cycles.  and the Dow and Bitcoin stand at opposite ends of their cycles.
Lol money is made last 1% of the cycle. It is lost 99% rest mostly... as i said so many times euphoria hadnt happened with dow and it is a long way up before the "cycle" is done.. better place to park money imo today
Your denial is a symptom of your euphoria.
No its called understanding how herd reacts in market cycles

Now you have my attention.

What type of analysis techniques do you use to measure cycles?

Just phsycology and watching retail positioning.. just doing the opposite.

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December 21, 2014, 08:51:29 PM
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 And have yourself a merry bitcoin christmas now. 


WTF!  Where are the dozens of posts to this thread?  I cypherdoc collapsing?  One would not think so.  BTC hit $330-ish...I would have expected to see the guy and his minions going balistic with glee.  Like this:

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M1owcncKCHg

(Probably he's out for x-mas or some such.  Happy holidays all.)


We are running out of sidechains doping Smiley

Joking aside I prefer quality over quantity by a long shot.

Happy holidays everyone.

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December 21, 2014, 10:04:08 PM
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You are either an idiot before the crash or after. Timing the crash is impossible. So the only thing left is to make a decent guess of the increase left in this bubble. I understand the danger of picking up nickels in front of a steam roller. Let me be the idiot before. I will remain stubborn longer than the market can stay irrational.

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December 21, 2014, 11:02:08 PM
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listening to johoe is inspiring.  but it appears to me that even if you're using a BIP32 wallet, you'll still be exposed to a hack from address reuse if you choose to accept multiple payments to a single address.  for instance, if you accept 5 payments of 1BTC each to a single address, you will create 5 UTXO's of 1BTC each.  if you then only spend 1BTC from that address, you will leave the other 4 UTXO's behind on that address which will force you to reuse that address later on when you decide to make another payment.  so in that sense, HD wallets (BIP32) are still exposed if you're not careful and don't always force all tx's to empty an address.  i understand that this is not directly related to the reuse of the r value that johoe talks about in this episode, but it's concerning to me nonetheless unless i have something wrong:

http://letstalkbitcoin.com/blog/post/the-bitcoin-game-7-bitcoin-hero-jochen-aka-johoe
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December 21, 2014, 11:32:18 PM
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it appears to me that even if you're using a BIP32 wallet, you'll still be exposed to a hack from address reuse if you choose to accept multiple payments to a single address.

I thought that it was just a limited screw-up by blockchain.info. So the affair is growing bigger (?)

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December 22, 2014, 12:43:52 AM
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it appears to me that even if you're using a BIP32 wallet, you'll still be exposed to a hack from address reuse if you choose to accept multiple payments to a single address.

I thought that it was just a limited screw-up by blockchain.info. So the affair is growing bigger (?)

i didn't imply that it's growing bigger.  i'm just saying that it appears to me (and i could be wrong) that if, as a merchant, if you're accepting multiple payments for a monthly service to a single address even tho it's generated by an HD wallet, you may be setting yourself up for reuse of that address depending on how much you decide to spend from that address later on as in the example i gave above.  you never want to reuse an address given what has happened.
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December 22, 2014, 12:50:57 AM
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listening to johoe is inspiring.  but it appears to me that even if you're using a BIP32 wallet, you'll still be exposed to a hack from address reuse if you choose to accept multiple payments to a single address.  for instance, if you accept 5 payments of 1BTC each to a single address, you will create 5 UTXO's of 1BTC each.  if you then only spend 1BTC from that address, you will leave the other 4 UTXO's behind on that address which will force you to reuse that address later on when you decide to make another payment.  so in that sense, HD wallets (BIP32) are still exposed if you're not careful and don't always force all tx's to empty an address.  i understand that this is not directly related to the reuse of the r value that johoe talks about in this episode, but it's concerning to me nonetheless unless i have something wrong:

http://letstalkbitcoin.com/blog/post/the-bitcoin-game-7-bitcoin-hero-jochen-aka-johoe

I'd be interested to know how real of a danger this is. You should bring it up in the johoe thread and let people have at it

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December 22, 2014, 01:29:12 AM
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Belarussian ruble going down.

"Belarussians lined up for hours to clear out their bank accounts and swept store shelves to secure their savings, stocking up on foreign-made appliances and housewares."

http://news.asiaone.com/news/world/belarus-blocks-sites-closes-stores-stem-currency-panic
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December 22, 2014, 04:21:20 AM
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Belarussian ruble going down.

"Belarussians lined up for hours to clear out their bank accounts and swept store shelves to secure their savings, stocking up on foreign-made appliances and housewares."

http://news.asiaone.com/news/world/belarus-blocks-sites-closes-stores-stem-currency-panic

Insta-inflation in the connected age ... hyperinflation is so passe now.

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December 22, 2014, 05:19:52 AM
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Your denial is a symptom of your euphoria.
No its called understanding how herd reacts in market cycles
Perhaps, but it is way overdue for a correction. The herd is being led to a slaughter and it's going to be ugly.

denile is just a river in egypt :p

Market cycles apply to both sides of the equation and market prices are made up of currency value, when that hard value alters dramatically the waves that occur normally are likely bigger.   So what you gauge as euphoria could be the most sensible gauge of underlying factors and a correct place to be not a bubble.  In short typical studies of protracted currency weakness show the stock market most often does not lose value as much as other asset classes, anything tied to that specific nation like bonds suffer greatly also as they are time bound.  A company especially if trading internationally is relatively invulnerable in comparison


Whats surprising with Russia is that it has not helped bitcoin, do they have that locked down so citizens cannot use it

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All inflation can be argued as instant in that the nations monetary base is expanded, its the effects which take time according to distribution of the new 'wealth'    .  We are instantly connected but the largest stores of new money are held by government including communist china which in a very ancient way does not allow access to that money for the vast majority of its people

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