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1521  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: NXT :: descendant of Bitcoin - Updated Information on: April 02, 2014, 09:39:53 PM
Got the 0.84 BTC.

https://blockchain.info/de/tx/dd2d6fd04c5c0210fcab541424e2845319873a1273d8017090a692b5feb12b50

You can now send to msin the 12000 NXT, i will release the BTC then.

Please send to 3829444439138730512 this is Harmony666's address.

i saw what u did there......nice one.
1522  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: NXT :: descendant of Bitcoin - Updated Information on: April 02, 2014, 09:38:37 PM
Couldn't resist; one more;

*snip*

+1 to Fatih, nah, lets make that a +10.

May I suggest that anyone who downloads and uses some of Fatih's wallpapers make a small donation to him ?
It goes against my nature, but I'm gonna see if I can unlock an account (*sound of rusty hinges opening* ) and send him 100 NXT.
1523  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: NXT :: descendant of Bitcoin - Updated Information on: April 02, 2014, 09:26:07 PM
I accept this offer. I have about 12k Nxt. make me an offer

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Hahaha so much noise for 12000 NXT . Rofl

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so much lol... even i lol'd at that..lol


Even though I had more than 12k Nxt when I started dumping, the elitist attitude above regarding anyone not holding Millions of Nxt is another reason I am getting out. 12,000 Nxt is almost $500 worth but obviously you people live in a universe where that amounts to some kind of toilet paper.


U wanna guess how much NXT i'm sitting on?

Keep $250...u can spend that in one good night out, or a months worth of nappies, depending on your curent lifestyle.
Unless you're living in your car, u probably won't notice it.

I have the feeling that u are missing the big picture here and taking this thread as being the sum total of all NXT activity and development, when there is a massive amount of stuff happening behind the scenes. Have u checked out nxtforums.org, that gives a much better picture of what is going on with NXT.

And look at the rest of the crypto world: are u dumping your BTC ?
Bitcoin has lost more value than NXT over the same period, is facing a whole range of problems and doesn't seem to be comng up with any answers.
1524  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: NXT :: descendant of Bitcoin - Updated Information on: April 02, 2014, 07:51:45 PM
Here is my offer:

12,000 NXT for 40078.8 XRP
That is the going peercover rate for Nxt through Ripple right now.

I will go first for trustworthy trader. Everyone here can play ref.

If i was you, which i'm not, I'd hold on to 6000 NXT. It's not a lot to lose and I'm pretty sure u won't lose.......
(How are u gonna feel in a few months time when NXT is trading at $1 or more per pop ?)

BTW: Have u ever done anything at all for NXT (and your own investment), besides criticise?
1525  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: NXT :: descendant of Bitcoin - Updated Information on: April 02, 2014, 05:08:25 PM
Why is no one talking about the bombshell C-F-B dropped last night in releasing the 3rd part of BCNext plan, which was basically one paragraph saying NXT was just an experiment and will fail without altrustic human cooperation?

I was hoping it was an April Fools joke but I don't think it was. If so, I've already dumped half my Nxt because of it.

Wimp.....so what u are saying is that u have absolutely no faith in the community that has built NXT up to where it is, but rather want to have BCNext make all of your decisions for you?
The same BCNext who has already made it clear that NXT was always intended, at least partly,  as a social experiment ?

Of course NXT will fail without co-operation, like all human efforts that involve more than one person.

NXT is not altruistic, we are all in it for the money. And if we all work for it, we will get it.

I've said it before : No gods, no kings, just NXT.

We don't need no stinking BCNext, or any other guru/leader/father figure.
1526  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: NXT :: descendant of Bitcoin - Updated Information on: March 31, 2014, 10:40:00 PM

Nice one guys, going to have a play with it soon.

Offspring isn't fully open source yet, correct me if i'm wrong....do u have a plan to release source or is it going to remain closed? 

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=345619.msg5899178;topicseen#msg5899178

Ah, ha, even better. Another nice one for Offspring, please !
1527  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: NXT :: descendant of Bitcoin - Updated Information on: March 31, 2014, 10:33:34 PM
NxtWallet For Windows is available: (test version)

http://nxtra.org/nxt-wallet/

It connects to the main (real) net by default, I suggest you switch to testnet first and try it out there (tools > switch net)

I have removed my donation address from the bottom of the app so as to give it a more professional look, but donations are still very welcome of course Wink

You can send to 8189784314684138350 or simply the alias @wesleynxt (this works in any dialog).

A new mac version is also available (minor differences).


Seems to be funky client day here in NXT world.

A 'nice one' to wesleyh, as well.
And how's your open-sourceness, mate?
1528  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: NXT :: descendant of Bitcoin - Updated Information on: March 31, 2014, 10:25:23 PM

Nice one guys, going to have a play with it soon.

Offspring isn't fully open source yet, correct me if i'm wrong....do u have a plan to release source or is it going to remain closed?  

See below, msin post.
1529  Other / Archival / Re: delete on: March 30, 2014, 11:28:20 PM


Hey retard, you forgot to add my avatar in this bad photoshop LOL

In addition, I don't show my online status.


~BCX~


That is so funny.  


On a different note.  I am completely amazed at Auroracoin's resilience.  I was sure it would be practically at 0.0000000.... right now.  It is steadily going down, but has totally burned away as I thought.   Not nearly as many people dumping as I had thought.  Considering there isn't any place to actually spend them in Iceland, the only useful thing to do with them at the moment is dump.  Sooo, what is going on?  No, army of Chinese hackers managed to get through into Iceland's IP addresses yet?

That was the moment that AUR just lost the tiny, tiny, tiny bit of credibility it might have once had....
What is going on is a load of badly burned investors who can't / won't face the facts and get out of AUR while they still have a small percentage of their initial stake.
Anyone who buys into AUR from here on in.....I've got some Gaelcoin for sale, if u want a change of country  Grin
1530  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: NXT :: descendant of Bitcoin - Updated Information on: March 30, 2014, 07:37:22 PM
nxt price is going up now
and will still goining up these week
How you are so sure about it? So u suggest to buy some NXT?

NXT is going to rule, thats why. So buy some while its cheap.....

I've been involved with NXT since just after it launched, from December 2013, so almost 4 months now.
I came in looking for a quick profit, expecting just another pump n dump, but NXT is so much more...... I've been completely assimilated.
The more I see of the crypto scene, and the more I see how NXT has developed,  the more I begin to believe that NXT could actually, really take the number one spot from BTC and then break out of crypto-world and into the mass-market.

And if u guys all buy some now, NXT will start showing some green in a sea of red, which is always nice.
1531  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: NXT :: descendant of Bitcoin - Updated Information on: March 29, 2014, 09:56:15 PM

We gotta get out of this place......

1532  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: NXT :: descendant of Bitcoin - Updated Information on: March 27, 2014, 11:38:37 PM
If we'd actually had the balls to lock this thread and leave when we got nxtforum.org up and running, the whole Elmo thing wouldn't have been an issue.

As it is, I suggest that everyone adds this to their posts for the last few pages:

Moved all serious discussion of NXT to:
https://nxtforum.org/index.php


DO NOT FEED THE TROLL!

1533  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: NXT :: descendant of Bitcoin - Updated Information on: March 27, 2014, 09:05:12 PM

*snip*

Don't even think about getting out, no matter how much FUD you hear.
I'm gonna buy whatever NXT I can, and I suggest u all do the same for 2 good reasons:

NXT is a long term game, not a pump and dump. 3 months from now, no-one will care about NXT's price today.

Looking at CMC, NXT is actually doing better than a lot of other cryptos: 25-35% losses seem normal at the moment, NXT is down 15%, and the trade volume is only $90,000.
If some HODL and buy action can get NXT into the green, a lot of investors will rush to NXT as a safe haven, pushing it even higher.

So: don't lose your heads, play the long game, pick up some cheap NXT.  



how sick can you be to advice people to buy now! dont you have organisations in your country that help people like you?

good name EVILdave

Do you mean the ANWB....?
They come to help me when my car breaks down.   Grin

Elmo: you must have heard of the most basic rule of trading:

Buy low, sell high.

Now is low, we buy..later is high, we sell.

(well actually, I'm gonna hodl till my wallet bursts, tbh, but u know what I mean)

Moved all serious discussion of NXT to:
https://nxtforum.org/index.php

DO NOT FEED THE TROLL!


1534  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: NXT :: descendant of Bitcoin - Updated Information on: March 27, 2014, 08:41:43 PM
Regarding (NXT Stake) / (Posts made here), I'm the saddest person Cry



after Elmo Grin

I might be able to beat u on that one, dude.....lets go somewhere private for a smallest stake competition.
Pretty sure I hold more NXT than Elmo, tho.

I think Elmos just been feeling a little bit lonely since everyone ran off to the new forum and left him all alone.
That's why he's been chewing the curtains a little.....a swift tickle behind his cute little floppy ears will sort him out !

On to business: like all shitty times, this current panic could be a good opportunity for NXT.

Looking at coinmarketcap.com is like looking at a slaughterhouse right now. There are a lot of panicking people out there, which means only one thing : BUY!

Don't even think about getting out, no matter how much FUD you hear.
I'm gonna buy whatever NXT I can, and I suggest u all do the same for 2 good reasons:

NXT is a long term game, not a pump and dump. 3 months from now, no-one will care about NXT's price today.

Looking at CMC, NXT is actually doing better than a lot of other cryptos: 25-35% losses seem normal at the moment, NXT is down 15%, and the trade volume is only $90,000.
If some HODL and buy action can get NXT into the green, a lot of investors will rush to NXT as a safe haven, pushing it even higher.

So: don't lose your heads, play the long game, pick up some cheap NXT.  

Moved all serious discussion of NXT to:
https://nxtforum.org/index.php

DO NOT FEED THE TROLL!



1535  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: NXT :: descendant of Bitcoin - Updated Information on: March 24, 2014, 10:45:56 PM
Great.. Looks like the new forum is down. One of the reasons why this one could still serve as a backup maybe

Typical, I turn out the lights and not even 20 minutes later...... Cry
The new board is being kinda kicky right now, but it's obviously getting a lot of traffic (or maybe some DDOS joker). I'm having no problems posting and all, but am getting kicked occasionally.
1536  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: NXT :: descendant of Bitcoin - Updated Information on: March 24, 2014, 10:21:17 PM
Looks like the last time i'll ever have to do this.....my catch-up post for today:


This guy Peter Todd is listed as Chief Scientist of the Mastercoin Foundation. Don't you think we could make an exception when the FUD reaches this level?

I had some kind of appreciation to this guy before his comments on LTB... I hope he is just unaware...

Everyone just RELAX!

This is not a big deal. 1 wrong sentence in an hour long episode.

Peter Todd probably has not looked into Nxt that much, and ASSUMED that it was like other POS coins.

It was probably an honest mistake.

The way to handle it, if you want to, is to write him a POLITE note telling him why he is mistaken. Then in the future he won't say such things. I really doubt he's trying to smear Nxt or anything sinister.



Yup, don't be so paranoid. It's a mistake , not emule level FUD.

SSL:
For the user who was asking about wildcard SSL (I think it was xyzzyx) the cost to do it anonymosly is fairly high, almost 500 euro.  So unless someone knows that rapidssl/comodo/someoneElse will allow purchase with either anonymous or with known-to-be-not-real ID (startssl is very strict about real names, address, TN, etc) then thats the way to go.

That is much more expensive than I expected.

I've sent 2000 NXT to your itty-bitty 2319251 address to help pay for a wildcard SSL cert. (txid 4585985331078069817)

Hopefully, others will be inclined to do the same.  We only need a hand-full of people, say around 7 or so, to do the same and the cost should be covered.

Doing a quick count, looks like around half the funds u need ofr a decent SSL cert. Check the InfCom Bitbucket, we are currently at 2 votes for funding SSL with 1 abstention and 2 yet to vote. Seeing as u've already got so far, i think we will approve the rest (isay hopefully). Go to Bitbucket:
https://bitbucket.org/nxtinfrastructure/committee/issue/20/ssl-certificate-for-nxtcryptoorg
And, if u need someone to stand up and give real world ID info to buy the cert, I'm happy to be the frontman.

Attacks:
My bitbucket account was been hacked, all my project files are gone... I still have eclipse backups though Smiley.

Someone is trying to hurt NXT...
Now u can be paranoid....



See, that was real easy today. I'm going to tickle Elmos ears and tell him that i'll miss him, but he won't be happy on the new forum:

Please mass migrate to nxtforum.org

Please continue at:

NXT Pub Thread - 2500 Pages On Nxtforum.org Or Bust

http://107.170.117.237/index.php/topic,91.0.html


Goodbye...

*turns out the light*
1537  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: [NXT] NXTInfrastructure committee on: March 23, 2014, 11:05:14 PM
reposted from firehose, just so I can find it again.

Please expound.  Really we only need a decision made on whether or not there is benefit if infrastructure committe will pay for my VPSs' SSL certs, or if I should just disable SSL on them.  The committe's response was "no we dont want to pay for SSL just use tor."  well I have previously laid out reasons that NXT has only partial tor support (DNS is still leaked out), plus, like I mentioned, tor is eventually compromised unless very harsh, nearly impossible security methods are taken

Apparently the certs that I am using, that is signed by a private CA, still causes some client-side software to fail, apparently they cannot just ignore the cert warning for some reason.

In the end we'll have clients that prepare and sign transactions completely locally and send them via UDP

good info, ill go ahead and disable SSL on them then. (it would still be good to get SSL on wiki and on whatever forums DNS name they come up with for http://107.170.117.237 forums site.  If the community decided the new forums to be on nxtcrypto.org then a wildcard would be the way to go anyways, otherwise 2 different certs are needed.

Unless the wiki and forums operator are willing to purchase it out of their own pocket.

Users of Wesley's client that sign transactions client-side will have their privacy compromised without SSL, even though the transactions and their password will be secure (assuming he is verifying the bytes before signing). I do see the value of SSL in this use case, because it is much simpler for the end user than setting up tor, and we are targeting users who presumably are not sophisticated enough to be running the Java server themselves.

My opinion was that SSL is not needed, and in fact cannot be used, for communications between nodes, and also that we cannot distribute an SSL certificate with the Nxt package itself. But for communications between thin clients and a public node, SSL is easier than tor for the end user for the purpose of preserving privacy - that is, from a spying ISP or government, not from the owner of the public node itself.




Can I summarise the SSL situation as:

 No SSL on nodes. Not needed.

 SSL on forums/wiki may be useful, if only as security theater.

 Wesleys client must have SSL in order to function securely. http://nxtra.org/nxt-client/

Correct me if i'm wrong.



My client doesn't need SSL to function securely (No passwords are sent to the server). Jean-luc talks about privacy. Not sure what he means by that though. However if you want to forge, the API requires that you send your password so that does needs SSL.

SSL on forums/wiki is needed though, since otherwise pw's are sent in the clear.

Users of Wesley's client that sign transactions client-side will have their privacy compromised without SSL, even though the transactions and their password will be secure (assuming he is verifying the bytes before signing). I do see the value of SSL in this use case, because it is much simpler for the end user than setting up tor, and we are targeting users who presumably are not sophisticated enough to be running the Java server themselves.

My opinion was that SSL is not needed, and in fact cannot be used, for communications between nodes, and also that we cannot distribute an SSL certificate with the Nxt package itself. But for communications between thin clients and a public node, SSL is easier than tor for the end user for the purpose of preserving privacy - that is, from a spying ISP or government, not from the owner of the public node itself.



But how long do we expect before we change from TCP to UDP?  Once that happens we cannot use SSL at all.  So if its soon, do we just want to do things in the clear until then, since its going to be in the clear anyways?  Or perhaps you want to revisit going to UDP in the first place since you cannot get security that way?

wait, nevermind, I think I get it.  the UDP migration will only be for p2p, right?  The API will still reside on TCP and thus can use SSL?

SSL is needed to ensure that javascript client is not manipulated during transmission
Right. But the user is getting the javascript from nxtra.org, which I presume is under Wesley's control. If so, user has to trust him (and still use SSL so it is not modified in transit), but he already is trusting him that the client he maintains is not malicious.

Now, if there is a copy of Wesley's javascript available for example at https://wallet.nxtcrypto.org, which is not under Wesley's control, we are back to where we started, the user has to absolutely trust the owner of nxtcrypto.org, as indeed even the javascript could have been modified.


If you use SSL, at least you are protecting the client privacy from the ISP and anyone who can spy along the route.

This is very easy to attack. A simple correlation between a SSL encyrpted HTTP package of matching size and the timestamp of the transaction will let a third party correlate a transaction with the originator IP. You also have to trust the node operator, since he owns the SSL certificate.

For forums and wiki SSL is indeed essential, unless we all start signing each of our posts and PMs with GPG.

+1

It does make sense to protect the Wiki and forum with SSL (I previously missed that you have to login into the Wiki) and as such, I think InfCom should fund the SSL certificate. The NRS nodes should however not use SSL.


Users of Wesley's client that sign transactions client-side will have their privacy compromised without SSL, even though the transactions and their password will be secure (assuming he is verifying the bytes before signing). I do see the value of SSL in this use case, because it is much simpler for the end user than setting up tor, and we are targeting users who presumably are not sophisticated enough to be running the Java server themselves.

I beg to differ:

  • Their privacy is easily compromised to 3rd parties even with SSL (see above).
  • Their privacy is always compromised to the node operator since he owns the SSL certificate, thus this is still not a trustless solution.
  • If privacy is needed, Tor can deliver.
  • I've added support for Tor in my client in like 2 hours (version not yet released). It will come with the tor.exe client and my NXT client simply starts the Tor client if Tor is not running already and shuts it down again on exit if it was started by my client.
    All the end user has to do is set the checkbox to use Tor. I also have proposed a bounty for client developers who implement support for Tor (https://bitbucket.org/nxtinfrastructure/committee/issue/33/tor-enabled-capable-nxt-clients) since this would solve the privacy issue very efficiently.

....and we are targeting users who presumably are not sophisticated enough to be running the Java server themselves.

Well, then we exclude these users from forging, since we can't really encourage them to send account secrets to public NRS nodes (even with Tor and SSL used).

I fear that the secretPhrase parameter for forging will backfire on us some day. IMHO, forging (and anything else that needs a secretPhrase parameter) should only be possible when the request comes from localhost.



being able to correlate a single transaction like you describe is an extremely bold claim.  Maybe now its not so terribly difficult, but once NXT transactions start to pop it will definitely be impossible. And of course a light client ALWAYS has to trust the node operator.  This is the case whether or not you use either SSL or TOR (or not use either/both of them).  So just take this argument away.

Like I said before, depending on tor for a home user is just not feasable.  I find it extremely hard to believe that you see the SSL correlation such a risk yet completely ignore TOR correlation that is possible unless, like I said previously, the user takes EXTREME steps, nearing on the impossible.  Without these drastic extreme steps, eventually tor is correlated.  It just takes time.

But whatever, just ignore the dev.  Hint, you might want to do a little research about tor correlation, before you depend on it yourself though.  In fact, unless you go do your research on it, Im going to assume that not only do you not care about it for yourself, but you also dont care about it for others.  IMO this is not exactly the way things should be done, but, oh well, you guys in the committee are supposed to be the experts, after all.

For the user who was asking about wildcard SSL (I think it was xyzzyx) the cost to do it anonymosly is fairly high, almost 500 euro.  So unless someone knows that rapidssl/comodo/someoneElse will allow purchase with either anonymous or with known-to-be-not-real ID (startssl is very strict about real names, address, TN, etc) then thats the way to go.
1538  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: NXT :: descendant of Bitcoin - Updated Information on: March 23, 2014, 11:01:50 PM
In InfCom mode:

Bounty ANN:: Papers on NXT network security requested.

The Infrastructure Committee (infCom) would like to put out a public request for papers on aspects of NXT network security.
http://107.170.117.237/index.php?topic=49.msg111#msg111

The papers should address the following from both a general P2P and a specifically NXT perspective:

  An analysis/description of the NXT P2P network architecture and the communication within.

  Attacks that could be conducted on Nxt infrastructure (the NXTwork), identification methods and countermeasures that could be used against them,   including : - DoS - Sybil - Poisoning - Eclipse - Tracking - Node Spoofing and any other relevant attack vectors.


InfCom will be rewarding two bounties for submitted papers, the bounties will be somewhere between 10-20,000 NXT per paper.

Deadline is 2 months from now, 24 May 2014.

If you have any questions:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=506757.80
the new NxtForums.org thread:
http://107.170.117.237/index.php/topic,102.0.html
 or contact one of the InfCom members via PM.

As inspiration:
http://world-comp.org/p2012/SAM9754.pdf
   

1539  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: [NXT] NXTInfrastructure committee on: March 23, 2014, 10:58:03 PM
Bounty ANN:: Papers on NXT network security requested.

The Infrastructure Committee (infCom) would like to put out a public request for papers on aspects of NXT network security.
http://107.170.117.237/index.php?topic=49.msg111#msg111

The papers should address the following from both a general P2P and a specifically NXT perspective:

  An analysis/description of the NXT P2P network architecture and the communication within.

  Attacks that could be conducted on Nxt infrastructure (the NXTwork), identification methods and countermeasures that could be used against them,   including : - DoS - Sybil - Poisoning - Eclipse - Tracking - Node Spoofing and any other relevant attack vectors.


InfCom will be rewarding two bounties for submitted papers, the bounties will be somewhere between 10-20,000 NXT per paper.

Deadline is 2 months from now, 24 May 2014.

If you have any questions, post on this thread, the new NxtForums.org thread:
http://107.170.117.237/index.php/topic,102.0.html
 or contact one of the InfCom members via PM.

As inspiration:
http://world-comp.org/p2012/SAM9754.pdf
  
1540  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: NXT :: descendant of Bitcoin - Updated Information on: March 23, 2014, 10:00:56 PM
Please stop quoting Emule... he's on my ignore list

 Grin
+1
 Lips sealed

Is someone squatting on Emule in the new forum?

Well at least the username... Smiley
Tja, now that would be evil.....
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